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Pyo
United States738 Posts
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
iGrok amazingxckd grush57 lafali lafali confirmed via modkill, check one for me ++ possible scum: jimboo probable town: kurumi freeloader appruds sprungjeezy extremely uncertain: impervous pyo (i have moved him from definite town to probable town to possible mafia back to probable town and i still have pages left to read) treadmill (i had a special category for you, "definite town" because i was 10000% certain you were town. but after snoozing through your 2 essays i'm not so sure) iGrok On June 08 2011 20:16 iGrok wrote: I believe that gtrsrs is scum. ![[image loading]](http://i53.tinypic.com/qsutld.gif) suck my nads. pyo and Sprungjeezy have expressed how i feel about you extremely well. i had nothing to go on for my first vote so i voted for the douchiest dude in the topic. i remember the first time i played as a godfather in a forum game, i made HUGE posts reaching into previous games for quotes to show that someone's attitude had changed blah blah blah just to get him lynched, when it was all bullshit. you did the exact same thing on kurumi, and then IMMEDIATELY withdrew to hop on someone else. your every attempt to defend yourself has been calling me bad (which i predicted you would do), trying to get attention from so-called good players to clear yourself, and encouraging other players so you look pro-town. i'm 100% certain you are mafia by now. you left both pyo and i alive to "clear" yourself since we're tunneling you so hard, and also so you could lump us together as potential mafia. it's possible you're bussing either pyo or kurumi but i doubt it. i will stand by my previous statement. anyone that agrees with iGrok, go ahead and vote to lynch me. i'm a non-rolled townie and i'm happy to die to get the godfather lynched. when i die hopefully you'll go after my other targets as well grush57 the only times you've showed up in this game were to (a)bandwagon (b)respond to FoS's on you by accusing someone else (c)QQ you're mafia amazingxckd you're mafia, lol. enough people have analyzed you and i agree with their analysis that i won't bother to repeat it treadmill you seem town but your 2 essays really derailed the topic and didn't really say much. you're kinda wishy-washy and i don't know why you're defending the OBVIOUS mafia iGrok so heartily. i think it's likely that you're defending him because you honestly don't believe he's mafia, and he's jumping onto that and defending you so you look like the 2 shining town beacons. unfortunately when he flips red i don't think that will give us any info on you. you're also a very unlikely mafia hit and i don't think i could convince the town to use a vigi shot on you. if iGrok somehow inexplicably does flip green, you're definite red. Jimboo whatever. i'm not 100% sold on any analysis and i won't commit to a lynch on you. i won't have strong feelings if you flip red OR green. if you're mafia why don't you just admit it and save us some time anyway those are my feelings. if iGrok isn't dead tomorrow maybe i'll be arsed to do a post-by-pretentious-post analysis of his misleadings, but instead, it'd be nice if you guys just looked over MY post telling you exactly what iGrok was going to do and then notice how he did it. i've already got my vote in for iGrok today but in case you want it here too, ##vote: iGrok. i'm not going to read the thread any more today. i will be out and about. yes, i will probably make some posts on the LoL forum this afternoon because those are much easier to make. watch for people using that as a way to say i'm casting suspicion and then ditching the topic so i don't have to answer questions: these people are mafia. i'll be reading this thread when i get a chance but it takes so much effort to get anyone to believe anything you say. it took me an hour to read up and write this post. imagine if i bothered to do a post-by-post. no thanks. good luck town | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 09 2011 05:18 Pyo wrote: well look at who initiated the bandwagoning (not the accusation), the following. As best I can tell (correct me if i'm wrong), but i think he was the first among the "experienced players" to actively advocate someone. However, the fact that no one paid any attention to this post by GGQ, but were reasonably quick to back off of freeloader makes me think that it was mafia that were the meat of rookie's lynching. yes, i agree. that would be consistent with my analysis. the likely scum that voted on jackal's BW are impervous, jimboo, and amazingxckd tata children! | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
So, those are some of my guesses, but not necissarily saying that they are or aren't scum. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 09 2011 05:30 gtrsrs wrote: i'm not going to read the thread any more today. i meant i'm not going to post in this thread any more today inb4someonecallsmealiarandtriestoLAL | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 09 2011 05:35 grush57 wrote: So, the people on the freeloader bandwagon even right before the lynching were cherubael, benjef, teamsolid and blackbone. The only one that was non lurking was cherubael, and only in the very beginning. Like we all know, mafia tends to be quiet and try to all go on a bandwagon to lynch a random townie(assuming he was). So, those are some of my guesses, but not necissarily saying that they are or aren't scum. You're getting into the zone,but we need more! If You're attacking someone make sure it does sound well and will convince us. | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On June 09 2011 05:30 gtrsrs wrote: anyway those are my feelings. if iGrok isn't dead tomorrow maybe i'll be arsed to do a post-by-pretentious-post analysis of his misleadings, but instead, it'd be nice if you guys just looked over MY post telling you exactly what iGrok was going to do and then notice how he did it. Fortunately, you don't have to. Sprungjeezy already did it here. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 09 2011 05:36 gtrsrs wrote: also, in my long post just above, when i said i meant i'm not going to post in this thread any more today inb4someonecallsmealiarandtriestoLAL Gtrsrs,damn You're showing some teeth now,Your accusations are more convincing now. Also: I would suggest that the "idea" of "good" players being GF might be good. GGQ is already dead : flipped town iGrok is probably getting lynched I am Townie. Jackal58 is Jackal. He is hard to analyse,but very straightforward. Remember that GF can "pick" his role for the game to show in DT checks. It might be highly likely that GF picked Veteran and will try to play "I got hit" card or DT and bus team mate. Remember that Your DT checks can't be 100% sure because every night we will have one person framed. If that person is suspicious/needs confirm You might even check them twice to be sure. | ||
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freeloader625
United States180 Posts
First game. I have yet to read the guides. | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On June 09 2011 05:35 grush57 wrote: So, the people on the freeloader bandwagon even right before the lynching were cherubael, benjef, teamsolid and blackbone. The only one that was non lurking was cherubael, and only in the very beginning. Like we all know, mafia tends to be quiet and try to all go on a bandwagon to lynch a random townie(assuming he was). So, those are some of my guesses, but not necissarily saying that they are or aren't scum. The bandwagon at that time I voted freeloader (and posted why I did) was rookie. If bandwagoning means being one of the few people not wanting to lynch the doctor, I think it's a pretty good thing to do. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
First reason: I thought about who might be the person who leads the mafia - whether he's also GF or not doesn't matter for me right now. To my mind came 3 persons who dominated the scene at the first day: Kurumi, Jackal and iGrok. Now to the differences between these three players: Kurumi is very aggressive and gets into everyones face every time he posts something. He was against the freeloaderlynch and sceptical about the rookielynch. But he proposed several alternativelynches. Jackal was also against the freeloaderlynch, and he proposed to lynch rookie instead. No good move if you are GF/mafia if you know that freeloader also is townie... Why should you draw votes from a townie to another townie... That's just stupid... iGrok just posted some informations etc. and he asked for a DT-check on Kurumi. ___________________________ iGrok was the most passive player out of the three. Of course he was! as scum he knew exactly that rookie and freeloader were innocent, so he could easily sit back and watch the town lynch each other. He just hadn't do anything. In fact it would have been stupid to really push for a Kurumilynch. He just tried to make him look suspicious, to draw attention from himself: Of course a DT check on Kurumi would be negative. But no problem, iGrok still could say that Kurumi is the GF. Second reason This shit convinced me + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2011 13:03 GGQ wrote: GGQ's big post of epicness in case he dies tonight (which I've just realised I dont have enough time to make as long as I want  Trust me that it's smart and good:No one undertook the exercise I set of looking at who defended and attacked lafali and why. I'm very disappointed, guys. You all get 0/2 on your homework for today. The veteran players are all going to be dead before this game is nearly over, and you guys need to practice working on how to actually find scum, not just accuse people based on neutral tells. Keep your heads up, don't get discouraged. Look at contradictions in talk and behavior. Look at people who are skating by with posts that just repeat previous content. These are the scummy players. The point was to lead you to Kurumi and iGrok above everyone else. Kurumi attacks lafali for his bandwagon vote bringing nothing new to the table on freeloader. There was absolutely no reason for him to throw scum on lafali so early in the game if he's mafia. Plus his aggressiveness and balls-out attitude are more inline with a green than anything else. Kurumi is most likely town. iGrok defends lafali as probably newb town. He's the only one who defends lafali straight out, but Vain, aprudds, monsterDrakar, and Senj also soft-defend him. I'm not saying they are all scum, but it's a great place to look for scum (dts take note! vigis save your shots). At this point in time I think iGrok is almost certainly the godfather of the mafia team (it could be jackal as well but his behavior doesn't fit the role as well, and seems more in line with the town play I've seen from him). iGrok defends lafali after Kurumi calls him out and votes for him, while before this accusation he posted that everyone who had voted so far ( which included lafali) should be under suspicion. Contradiction. iGrok has also been working to get into a town-leadership and thread-presence position all game, something the godfather always tries to do. iGrok also got way too defensive after being attacked and accused. Other suspicious people to me: Vain, partly for defending lafali, partly for advocating the lynch on freeloader for 'information' blehhhhh I already posted about that, and partly because iGrok listed him as a skilled vet with him, me and jackal when I think he's quite new and I havent seen anything particularly good from him. iGrok probably wanted another mafia on that list, though. Of course jimbooo whom I voted Day 1, for reasons already stated by multiple players. Others are monsterDrakar and Senj. xkcd has decreased on my scum meter lately but isn't totally clear. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On June 09 2011 06:26 blackone wrote: The bandwagon at that time I voted freeloader (and posted why I did) was rookie. If bandwagoning means being one of the few people not wanting to lynch the doctor, I think it's a pretty good thing to do. Yea, but you could also be bandwagoning another blue. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
_______________ CjrNinja was the first one who accused lafali Xedat is just a nice guy and freeloader is obviously the noobtownguy. If he were mafia, he'd be pretty intelligent with his first post, but I don't think so :-D | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On June 09 2011 06:40 supersoft wrote: I going to vote for iGrok now. I believe he's scum. For several reasons. First reason: I thought about who might be the person who leads the mafia - whether he's also GF or not doesn't matter for me right now. To my mind came 3 persons who dominated the scene at the first day: Kurumi, Jackal and iGrok. Now to the differences between these three players: Kurumi is very aggressive and gets into everyones face every time he posts something. He was against the freeloaderlynch and sceptical about the rookielynch. But he proposed several alternativelynches. Jackal was also against the freeloaderlynch, and he proposed to lynch rookie instead. No good move if you are GF/mafia if you know that freeloader also is townie... Why should you draw votes from a townie to another townie... That's just stupid... iGrok just posted some informations etc. and he asked for a DT-check on Kurumi. ___________________________ iGrok was the most passive player out of the three. Of course he was! as scum he knew exactly that rookie and freeloader were innocent, so he could easily sit back and watch the town lynch each other. He just hadn't do anything. In fact it would have been stupid to really push for a Kurumilynch. He just tried to make him look suspicious, to draw attention from himself: Of course a DT check on Kurumi would be negative. But no problem, iGrok still could say that Kurumi is the GF. Second reason This shit convinced me + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2011 13:03 GGQ wrote: GGQ's big post of epicness in case he dies tonight (which I've just realised I dont have enough time to make as long as I want Trust me that it's smart and good:No one undertook the exercise I set of looking at who defended and attacked lafali and why. I'm very disappointed, guys. You all get 0/2 on your homework for today. The veteran players are all going to be dead before this game is nearly over, and you guys need to practice working on how to actually find scum, not just accuse people based on neutral tells. Keep your heads up, don't get discouraged. Look at contradictions in talk and behavior. Look at people who are skating by with posts that just repeat previous content. These are the scummy players. The point was to lead you to Kurumi and iGrok above everyone else. Kurumi attacks lafali for his bandwagon vote bringing nothing new to the table on freeloader. There was absolutely no reason for him to throw scum on lafali so early in the game if he's mafia. Plus his aggressiveness and balls-out attitude are more inline with a green than anything else. Kurumi is most likely town. iGrok defends lafali as probably newb town. He's the only one who defends lafali straight out, but Vain, aprudds, monsterDrakar, and Senj also soft-defend him. I'm not saying they are all scum, but it's a great place to look for scum (dts take note! vigis save your shots). At this point in time I think iGrok is almost certainly the godfather of the mafia team (it could be jackal as well but his behavior doesn't fit the role as well, and seems more in line with the town play I've seen from him). iGrok defends lafali after Kurumi calls him out and votes for him, while before this accusation he posted that everyone who had voted so far ( which included lafali) should be under suspicion. Contradiction. iGrok has also been working to get into a town-leadership and thread-presence position all game, something the godfather always tries to do. iGrok also got way too defensive after being attacked and accused. Other suspicious people to me: Vain, partly for defending lafali, partly for advocating the lynch on freeloader for 'information' blehhhhh I already posted about that, and partly because iGrok listed him as a skilled vet with him, me and jackal when I think he's quite new and I havent seen anything particularly good from him. iGrok probably wanted another mafia on that list, though. Of course jimbooo whom I voted Day 1, for reasons already stated by multiple players. Others are monsterDrakar and Senj. xkcd has decreased on my scum meter lately but isn't totally clear. So, he is the most passive, which could also mean he is a blue and then later in another post, you try to get other people to bandwagon with You. Not saying whether iGrok is mafia or town/blue, but u do have good analysis of those players. Inb4 grush57 is trying to defend iGrok, he is scum! | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On June 09 2011 06:55 grush57 wrote: So, he is the most passive, which could also mean he is a blue and then later in another post, you try to get other people to bandwagon with You. Not saying whether iGrok is mafia or town/blue, but u do have good analysis of those players. Inb4 grush57 is trying to defend iGrok, he is scum! i didn't think of that possibility that he's blue to be honest. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
I named the other two persons, and I believe I am still correct with my accuse. It's not like I say he must be GF because he said: "blablabla" I say he's GF because the other two that come to my mind are in my eyes innocent. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
On June 08 2011 23:43 Sprungjeezy wrote: My Analysis of iGrok + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2011 15:36 iGrok wrote: In the shadows lies A peculiar type of Man Kuze is my name. In this game, I will start all of my posts with haikus. Enjoy ^^ He has plenty of reasons to be a townie. Don't even think about that kind of McCarthy Bullshit this early in the game. Anyone voting this early deserves some measure of suspicion. Also, I am schwasted, so this may not make a lot of sense. (White Russians are the best!) But. If you are new to mafia, welcome. A quick word of advice: Think before you act. Those people who have already voted are acting too hastily. a 40 man game is much more about reasoning than putting pressure on someone. And the only reason you would vote this early is to put pressure on someone. Things to note about this game: Detectives instead of watchers: This gives us hard checks (with a few exceptions) on who is scum/town. Town needs to know this information, and we need to keep it out of the hands of mafia. For new players, this is where crumbing comes in. Crumbing is leaving clues about what you want to say. The best crumbs will be deciphered by us and not by scum. However, crumbs can be used a different way, in that you leave crumbs no one can decipher and then reveal multiple crumbs later. This is good if you are new because often times no one can understand your crumbs anyways since you don't have experience. Vigilantes: Need to not use your shots immediately. You are MUCH more likely to hit a civilian than scum at first, and also more likely to caus confusion. Those are the two most important roles this game. Regarding discussion: Freeloader is probably not scum. He is new and likely inexperienced. However, just to be sure, a cop needs to check him tonight. Which reminds me: If a miller is roleblocked, what does he return to investiagtion? Anyways, many good ideas floating around for a newbie game :p Keep up the good work I believe it is always good to start off the game by knowing who's good, who's new, and who's annoying. Some people read previously played games to get a better read, but as this is a new game, most won't look further than this. A nice long post that defends the very quick accusations against Freeloader625, a pretty neutral post. + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2011 15:39 iGrok wrote: I didn't even see this. If you use this argument again I will be sure you die. If Townies don't defend other townies from bullshit attacks, this game will end quite rapidly, and not in our favor. More defending Freeloader625. Then posts a Haiku. Then another. Then another with a question about the KP system. + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2011 16:29 iGrok wrote: Olol. No haiku this time. Pardon the wino in the corner. Yes, it is green and not blue. EBWOP: Change to green. O shit, a post without a Haiku but pretty irrelevant at this time. Inc several posts, apparently after so much code, the forums stop reading quote and /quote outside of spoilers thats why when I double checked the code (after using the preview) I could see nothing wrong, yet it still didn't work. | ||
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