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MajuGarzett
Canada635 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On August 05 2012 03:16 CountDropula wrote: I really think the most important issue for us right now is getting people active. Were giving mafia too much space to hide. Nevertheless, I'm voting wbg right now though that can change. For sure watching zeph though, but I need a better case. quoting for fans of irony everywhere | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On August 05 2012 06:14 Hopeless1der wrote: I absolutely don't want to mislynch so I'm all for consolidating my vote. On wbg. perhaps I'm missing something due to not knowing his meta at all, but that part of the discussion went right over my head. Based on what I've seen in this game, I think he's town. It was a strange play to immediately out masons without telling them, but I don't think it can be conclusively anti-town. Creating sub-par targets for KP is the biggest benefit I see. Right now that seems to leave Grush, Talis and prplhz for current lynch candidates (of people I'd be willing to lynch). I don't know what grush is, but everyone seems happy to let a vig take care of him if we have one and his death doesn't give us anything to go on other than perhaps a quieter environment to play. I don't think he's worth wasting a lynch on today. Talis has been undoubtedly more active than prplhz, but about as useful in the active discussions of the thread. He posts requesting reads from other people without contributing any of own. His filter contains many posts pertaining to setup questions (i.e. more than once) and in general it looks like he's skirting the sidelines of the conversations. Despite his relative activity, I don't really know who he might vote for or who he is really suspicious of anymore. Prplhz got some vote pressure done early on, and has since disappeared into hangover land. I really don't see how this is considered so very scummy, and I don't see enough of a case to justify voting for him yet. Still, he's scummier than bugs so I may end up switching my vote to avoid wbg's lynch. ##Vote: talismania were there others you were willing to lynch? what about people you were unwilling to lynch? | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On August 05 2012 11:08 talismania wrote: Deliberately needling? You very well know I posted the reasoning before. What are your thoughts on my alignment? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Anyways I'm a Mason myself and therefore the 2nd guy who masoned is Erandorr and I masoned him. Logs are in german, have to translate them. The first guy however is a bit more interesting because it's Hassy who masoned me and I'm having some issues with him. As prplhz didn't flip red I don't know what to make of Hassy though. I still got my green read on Eran, I still got a green read on VE and I am green as well, which makes Hassy look bad. Also Hassy masoned the guy who said he won't out people who masoned him, which looks kinda shady. Also in the logs Hassy was agreeing with me A LOT. I figured that's normal because we're friendly with each other in general but there's stuff I wouldn't have expected him to say in a game like "you're really one of the hardest guys to read on TL in general" That being said, I don't feel comfy lynching Hassy based on that, especially if I don't know if there's more Masons. + Show Spoiler [Log with Hassy] + IRC [20:15:13] <Toad|> okay [20:15:15] <Toad|> sooo [20:15:31] <Hassybaby> hey [20:15:31] <Toad|> sup [20:15:38] <Toad|> stupid skype 8( [20:15:45] <Toad|> I apparently have an old account [20:15:45] <Hassybaby> wait [20:15:51] <Hassybaby> I was suppsoed to add you on skype? [20:16:00] <Toad|> what did you think? [20:16:04] <Hassybaby> LOL [20:16:10] <Hassybaby> I was adding you on Steam ._. [20:16:13] <Toad|> LOL [20:16:37] <Toad|> why would I want to use steam to chat 8( [20:16:44] <Hassybaby> I don't know  [20:16:51] <Hassybaby> wait why are there two of you [20:16:58] <Toad|> yeah [20:17:02] <Toad|> Toadesstern is the right one [20:17:05] <Toad|> Toad is an old one [20:17:10] <Hassybaby> ah ok [20:17:17] <Hassybaby> that explains why you couldn't find m [20:17:22] <Hassybaby> i'm XXX-censored-XXX on skype [20:17:30] <Toad|> got it Skype [03.08.2012 20:17:33] Hassy: OHAI [03.08.2012 20:17:45] Erik: finally [03.08.2012 20:18:01] Erik: okay, so do you have an idea on what's going on? [03.08.2012 20:18:08] Hassy: lets see [03.08.2012 20:18:11] Erik: you said you didn't have time because of olympics [03.08.2012 20:18:18] Hassy: some discussion about whether masons should claim or not [03.08.2012 20:18:27] Hassy: eran and wbg having a pissing contest [03.08.2012 20:18:51] Hassy: was a very general read so I need to go back and have another look [03.08.2012 20:18:57] Hassy: anything major that you can think of? [03.08.2012 20:19:05] Erik: not really [03.08.2012 20:19:18] Erik: a lot of weird stuff but I don't know why it's weird though [03.08.2012 20:19:46] Erik: like the case prplhz did on glasse was literally the worst thing I ever saw [03.08.2012 20:20:01] Erik: and I was sure he did that on purpose to fish for reactions, and he just said he meant it [03.08.2012 20:20:31] Hassy: wait, that was serious? [03.08.2012 20:20:55] Hassy: I thoguht it was part of the "herp Day 1" shit that was going on, and he was gaugig reactions [03.08.2012 20:21:03] Erik: exactly my thoughts [03.08.2012 20:21:17] Erik: I thought he's testing glasse's reactions [03.08.2012 20:21:33] Erik: or if someone else joins him saying some shit like "yo dude, totally agree, lynch that guy" [03.08.2012 20:22:48] Erik: on top of that we got VE who's acting weird, like always [03.08.2012 20:22:54] Erik: WBG acting weird [03.08.2012 20:23:00] Hassy: I'm waiting for VE to role claim randomly [03.08.2012 20:23:06] Hassy: then i can decide his alignment [03.08.2012 20:23:08] Erik: wbg claimed for him [03.08.2012 20:23:12] Erik: VE is a mason [03.08.2012 20:23:16] Hassy: awww [03.08.2012 20:23:35] Hassy: actually that was pretty weird in my eyes [03.08.2012 20:24:03] Hassy: bugs instantly calmiing the mason, then eran masoning bugs straight after [03.08.2012 20:24:11] Erik: yeah [03.08.2012 20:24:32] Erik: especially since Eran said that masons shouldn't care about who they mason and just mason someone influential [03.08.2012 20:24:47] Hassy: here's how I see his move [03.08.2012 20:24:55] Erik: so from that I thought Eran would just mason WBG from the get go, but only did it later [03.08.2012 20:25:07] Hassy: 1. He picked beforehand who he was masoning, and even with the series of events he was like "fuck it i'm sticknig with the strat" [03.08.2012 20:25:12] Hassy: 2. He wanted to be outed [03.08.2012 20:25:21] Hassy: 3. He didnt think it through [03.08.2012 20:25:40] Hassy: I want to say 1, but still.... [03.08.2012 20:25:55] Erik: I actually believee him when he says he wanted to test wbg [03.08.2012 20:26:08] Erik: but I'd say it was stupid so it's 3 for me [03.08.2012 20:26:33] Erik: I could actually see WBG claiming for VE, as metnioned VE likes to claim so might as well get over with it [03.08.2012 20:26:49] Erik: like thinking "well, he's going to claim anyways so I might claim for him" [03.08.2012 20:26:55] Erik: but that's not true for Eran [03.08.2012 20:27:07] Hassy: that's a weird way of doing it though [03.08.2012 20:27:16] Erik: so I really have no idea what wbg is doing [03.08.2012 20:27:22] Hassy: it's like...you know he's going to do it and in generaly t means nothing about his alignment [03.08.2012 20:27:26] Hassy: so....just let him [03.08.2012 20:27:36] Hassy: on the flip side he's now associated with VE [03.08.2012 20:28:01] Erik: yeah it's really weird [03.08.2012 20:28:18] Erik: but I could think of something that makes outing VE neutral and not anti-town [03.08.2012 20:28:37] Erik: however I can't think of a reason to out eran from WBG's point of view [03.08.2012 20:29:12] Erik: I guess best thing is to just watch and see what happens [03.08.2012 20:29:25] Erik: if WBG / Eran / VE are town they'll die themselves just fine lol [03.08.2012 20:30:06] Hassy: already posting targets ont heir heads, so yay [03.08.2012 20:30:30] Erik: those 3 really shouldn't be an issue [03.08.2012 20:30:48] Erik: if WBG is still alive at the start of d3 he's going to get insta-lynched. [03.08.2012 20:30:58] Erik: While mislynching into those would be bad [03.08.2012 20:31:14] Hassy: yeah i see that thinking [03.08.2012 20:31:53] Erik: I'm feeling really paranoid this game  [03.08.2012 20:32:11] Hassy: I'm feeling confused, but i'm dehydrated from fasting [03.08.2012 20:32:25] Erik: I got a bad feeling on VE and prplhz and WBG is at least strange [03.08.2012 20:32:34] Erik: They're hardly all 3 mafia lol [03.08.2012 20:32:41] Hassy: Op as hell if they are... [03.08.2012 20:33:00] Hassy: I dunno, I think for now they're all just acting weird [03.08.2012 20:33:09] Erik: yeah exactly [03.08.2012 20:33:14] Erik: btw, why did you mason me? [03.08.2012 20:33:23] Erik: randomly picked someone? [03.08.2012 20:33:26] Hassy: nah [03.08.2012 20:33:30] Erik: or did you go for a read? [03.08.2012 20:33:41] Hassy : I went on a read [03.08.2012 20:33:52] Hassy: I was going to pick a vet for day 1 anyways [03.08.2012 20:33:59] Erik: am I town or mafia?^^ [03.08.2012 20:34:24] Hassy: because i like to get as much info as possible on them [03.08.2012 20:34:27] Hassy: erm....you're toad [03.08.2012 20:34:27] Hassy: :3 [03.08.2012 20:34:47] Erik: so you still need to figure me out [03.08.2012 20:34:59] Hassy: let's jsut say I dont think you're mafia yet [03.08.2012 20:35:10] Hassy: I hate calling people town... [03.08.2012 20:35:15] Erik: yeah just asking because someone else masoned me saying it's obvious I'm town [03.08.2012 20:35:35] Erik: I was actually pretty suprised to hear that [03.08.2012 20:35:46] Erik: because people are really scared about me lately [03.08.2012 20:36:07] Hassy: you're one of the hardest guys on TL Mafia to read tbh [03.08.2012 20:36:22] Hassy: thus MOAR INFO on you [03.08.2012 20:36:27] Erik: yeah that's what I get a lot [03.08.2012 20:37:01] Erik: good thing I'm not role playing my role [03.08.2012 20:37:10] Erik: I got a total attention whore :D [03.08.2012 20:37:51] Erik: so I'll let you read a little if you only took a bried look on the thread so far [03.08.2012 20:37:59] Hassy: something tells me I should watch the series [03.08.2012 20:38:10] Erik: I never watched it either [03.08.2012 20:38:23] Erik: but my guy is literally gonzaw [03.08.2012 20:38:35] Hassy: rofl [03.08.2012 20:38:41] Erik: picture Toad trying to play like gonzaw on purpose, that'd be a spamfest [03.08.2012 20:39:05] Hassy: well, you'd be having conversations with yourself [03.08.2012 20:39:15] Hassy: while the rest of us vote to kill you because we can't read that much [03.08.2012 20:39:50] Erik: are you making notes while playing? [03.08.2012 20:39:55] Hassy: always [03.08.2012 20:40:07] Erik: even as mafia? [03.08.2012 20:40:16] Hassy: though my google docs is fucked so I have to use normal Word ._. [03.08.2012 20:40:29] Hassy: I take notes no matter what because it helps in future games [03.08.2012 20:40:43] Erik: I'm way to lazy to do that as mafia lol [03.08.2012 20:41:10] Erik: but that could obviously be a lie trying to post notes later on to show I'm town [03.08.2012 20:41:13] Erik: damn this is stupid ;D [03.08.2012 20:41:18] Hassy: lol :D [03.08.2012 20:41:59] Erik: what's your thoughts on wbg's agression so far? [03.08.2012 20:42:00] Hassy: ok [03.08.2012 20:42:10] Hassy: one thing that zeph has pointed out that is also striking me as weird [03.08.2012 20:42:13] Hassy: where's ghost? [03.08.2012 20:42:19] Erik: ? [03.08.2012 20:42:51] Hassy: hmmm [03.08.2012 20:42:56] Erik: oh you're taking about the list? [03.08.2012 20:43:02] Hassy: yeah [03.08.2012 20:43:10] Erik: I was actually curious why you're missing in there [03.08.2012 20:43:15] Hassy: ghost and sloosh are normally active ady 1 [03.08.2012 20:43:27] Hassy: oh yeah i still haven't posted.... [03.08.2012 20:43:33] Hassy: this is holy roman all over again [03.08.2012 20:44:26] Erik: Even if you're his mafia buddy I doubt he'd be stupid enough to make a list of everyone who hasn't posted yet excluding his buddy^^ [03.08.2012 20:44:31] Hassy: as for wbg, his aggression feels standard wbg, but doesn't ahve any backup to it [03.08.2012 20:44:41] Hassy: it's almost like he's being aggressive for the sake of being aggressive [03.08.2012 20:44:52] Erik: yeah that's what I'm getting too [03.08.2012 20:45:34] Erik: He's agressive all right. He usually is as town. However, he usually tries to fake that as mafia as well so it's more of a question is it him genuinely being pissed when someone does something retarded or is it a charade. Could be both at this point (first thought was fake) and have to check posts like this in the future! [03.08.2012 20:46:08] Hassy: he could be genuinley pissed about idiocy [03.08.2012 20:46:13] Erik: yeah [03.08.2012 20:46:17] Erik: he does that a lot [03.08.2012 20:46:30] Hassy: but he normally points it out [03.08.2012 20:46:58] Hassy: then again....god I don't see how both oft hem can be town [03.08.2012 20:47:12] Hassy: unless this is some enxt elvel shit from wbg and eran [03.08.2012 20:47:42] Erik: well remember VE vs me in that cursed game? [03.08.2012 20:47:47] Erik: but I doubt that's happening [03.08.2012 20:47:51] Hassy: damn that game ._. [03.08.2012 20:48:17] Hassy: that game is actually noe of the reasons why I was hoping VE would claim [03.08.2012 20:48:32] Hassy: normally I'm not that good at reading him, but when he claims I'm 3/3 in hid alignment :D [03.08.2012 20:50:21] Hassy: side note: I'm guessing from your responses that you don't want to have the masons outed [03.08.2012 20:50:33] Hassy: well, if you did you would ahve said something by now [03.08.2012 20:51:04] Erik: I don't think outing masons is helping town at all [03.08.2012 20:51:28] Erik: I don't see a possible way of "using" that information at all [03.08.2012 20:51:56] Hassy: the mason trading thing was a stupid suggestion [03.08.2012 20:52:09] Erik: we don't know if all masons are claimed, we don't know how many mafia masons there are if at all. So any plan like "let's lynch into masons" is bound to be build on misinformation [03.08.2012 20:52:27] Erik: and if we choose to not use the information we might as well leave out the shitstorm [03.08.2012 20:52:31] Hassy: well the scum masons could just not claim... [03.08.2012 20:52:42] Erik: yeah exactly [03.08.2012 20:52:55] Erik: they could, they could choose not to, we don't know [03.08.2012 20:53:04] Hassy: then we just have a list of town masons and we're all "welp time to look at these guys" [03.08.2012 20:53:45] Erik: yeah and with people like Talis around that's bound to be a shitstorm, even if his assumptions might end up being right [03.08.2012 20:55:35] Hassy: reading talis' post about it [03.08.2012 20:56:49] Hassy: ok that's nonsensical in my eyes [03.08.2012 20:57:27] Erik: I'm leaving you some time to read everything^^ [03.08.2012 20:57:54] Hassy: this may take a while because i have to decide if half these posts are serious or not... [03.08.2012 20:58:20] Erik: that's exactly my problem lol [03.08.2012 21:05:41] Hassy: ooookkkk [03.08.2012 21:05:52] Hassy: think i'm sort of confident I haven't missed too much [03.08.2012 21:06:49] Hassy: anyw hile i was reading, sloosh joins us [03.08.2012 21:06:49] Hassy: woo [03.08.2012 21:07:04] Erik: I totally agree with him [03.08.2012 21:07:09] Erik: except for the part about me obviously [03.08.2012 21:09:07] Hassy: yeah, I'm with that, except for the order [03.08.2012 21:09:41] Hassy: zeph feels null to me, because it reminds me of him beforehand [03.08.2012 21:09:55] Hassy: he generally tries to get discussion over posting thought day 1 [03.08.2012 21:11:58] Hassy: oh, I've decided [03.08.2012 21:12:07] Hassy: Eran's "test" reeks of Bill Murray [03.08.2012 21:12:27] Hassy: the sort of "NOPE IT WAS A TRAP AND YOU FELL FOR IT YOU'RE SCUM" [03.08.2012 21:12:40] Hassy: but in fact it was a pretty stupid trap and doesn't mean much [03.08.2012 21:13:29] Erik: the thing about eran is that I actually liked his earlier posts [03.08.2012 21:13:44] Erik: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=13#249 [03.08.2012 21:13:48] Erik: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=13#258 [03.08.2012 21:13:52] Erik: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=13#259 [03.08.2012 21:13:57] Erik: all posts I like [03.08.2012 21:14:18] Hassy: oh I agree. I'm not calling him scummy, jsut....stupid I guess [03.08.2012 21:14:41] Hassy: slightly feel he wasted his mason for the day if it was purely to tst bugs [03.08.2012 21:15:03] Erik: yeah it's weird [03.08.2012 21:16:10] Hassy: I'm more suspicious of talis and bugs tbh [03.08.2012 21:16:31] Erik: talis surely is my #1 read so far [03.08.2012 21:16:44] Erik: but I'm scared he might just be stupid and actually thinks the way he does [03.08.2012 21:16:46] Erik: 8( [03.08.2012 21:19:02] Hassy: Day 1's.... [03.08.2012 21:22:08] Erik: do you have anything on the small fish of this game? [03.08.2012 21:22:40] Erik: I'm usually having problems figuring them out d1 and so far I've only got something on one guy [03.08.2012 21:23:38] Hassy: Hopeless is an interesting one [03.08.2012 21:23:53] Erik: Calling it now: Prplhz + WBG + Zeph + Talis + 2 new guys [03.08.2012 21:23:58] Hassy: his first post I sort of agree with, but it's non-committal [03.08.2012 21:24:06] Erik: oh it's only 5 [03.08.2012 21:24:07] Hassy: and he jumped on the Glasse idea very quickly [03.08.2012 21:24:10] Erik: lol only one new guy [03.08.2012 21:25:01] Erik: yeah I kind of agree [03.08.2012 21:25:04] Erik: he makes sense [03.08.2012 21:25:35] Erik: but than again it's only one post [03.08.2012 21:25:58] Hassy: OH GOD I'M SO HUNGRY [03.08.2012 21:26:10] Erik: I like this jingleHell guy [03.08.2012 21:26:13] Erik: :D [03.08.2012 21:26:42] Hassy: ok I really need to go open my fast [03.08.2012 21:26:43] Hassy: brb [03.08.2012 21:27:45] Hassy: also, zork is being super lurkey [03.08.2012 21:28:25] Hassy: and I sort of like synystyr [03.08.2012 22:14:36] Hassy: erm [03.08.2012 22:14:46] Hassy: toad....is talis trying to role fish? [03.08.2012 22:15:09] Erik: what post? I'm watching a tv right now^^ [03.08.2012 22:15:17] Hassy: the very last one [03.08.2012 22:15:21] Hassy: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=20#399 [03.08.2012 22:15:25] Erik: I'm reading [03.08.2012 22:16:42] Erik: now idea [03.08.2012 22:16:46] Erik: never watched the show [03.08.2012 22:17:06] Erik: but saying "and if WBG is veteran" is something he should not do oO [03.08.2012 22:19:46] Erik: you should probably post something though [03.08.2012 22:20:14] Erik: right now I'm the only one who knows you're actually in the game [03.08.2012 22:22:29] Hassy: I never know what to post in this situation... [03.08.2012 22:26:29] Hassy: yeah, talis has shot up my radar [04.08.2012 16:37:33] Erik: I think voting for wbg might be a good idea in your position, the thread is pretty much dead [04.08.2012 16:37:48] Hassy: I'm worried toad [04.08.2012 16:37:51] Erik: and I don't really want to the only one posting in there nonstop [04.08.2012 16:38:02] Erik: why? [04.08.2012 16:38:47] Hassy: I'm starting to think he's genuinely pissed off [04.08.2012 16:39:08] Erik: there's no reason to be that pissed about something in the thread [04.08.2012 16:39:17] Hassy: exactly [04.08.2012 16:39:19] Erik: and I have no idea what he's talking about with eran [04.08.2012 16:39:28] Hassy: there's no logical reason to be annoyed [04.08.2012 16:39:42] Hassy: he's being totally illogical [04.08.2012 16:39:51] Hassy: and that's so uncharacteristic of bugs as scum AND town [04.08.2012 16:40:29] Erik: bugs nows that his town meta is "being angry" or being pissed [04.08.2012 16:40:38] Hassy: this is true [04.08.2012 16:40:43] Erik: if he's mafia he has to fake it anyways [04.08.2012 16:41:10] Hassy: I may be straight up underestimating bugs' strat play in this game [04.08.2012 16:41:41] Erik: the only thing I'm scared about is that I don't know what eran and bugs are talking about [04.08.2012 16:41:46] Erik: I'd love to see that log [04.08.2012 16:42:02] Erik: from the thread there's no reason to be that pissed at all and if that's all he's mafia [04.08.2012 16:42:18] Hassy: you think one oft hem will release it if tey're about to die? [04.08.2012 16:42:38] Erik: if eran genuinely pisses him off in skype he could be mad without us understanding why [04.08.2012 16:42:52] Erik: yeah pretty sure we'll get the information [04.08.2012 16:42:57] Erik: but I'd rather have it right now [04.08.2012 16:42:58] Hassy: ok, I have an idea [04.08.2012 16:43:02] Hassy: no more guessing around [04.08.2012 16:43:09] Erik: if eran is town and bugs is mafia eran will post it [04.08.2012 16:43:12] Hassy: straight question, lets just ask him what exactly he's pissed off about [04.08.2012 16:43:21] Erik: if bugs is town and eran is mafia bugs will post it [04.08.2012 16:43:41] Erik: yeah do that [04.08.2012 16:43:47] Erik: and just ask for the log [04.08.2012 16:43:53] Erik: everyone knows they're masoned anyways [04.08.2012 16:45:00] Erik: actually [04.08.2012 16:45:05] Erik: zephirdd looks really bad [04.08.2012 16:45:28] Erik: he someone manages to post stuff that reads awefully bad every single time [04.08.2012 16:45:47] Erik: Zeph: "Secondly, every single argument is the same argument over and over: town arguing with town that the game should be played certain way." [04.08.2012 16:45:58] Erik: how in the world does he know it's town argueing vs town? [04.08.2012 16:46:22] Hassy: does he genuinely think that they're both town having a pissing contest? [04.08.2012 16:46:30] Erik: seems so [04.08.2012 16:46:34] Hassy: LIII part 2 [04.08.2012 16:46:47] Erik: and he apparently thinks the same about me attacking wbg [04.08.2012 16:46:52] Erik: and everyone else attacking each other [04.08.2012 16:47:25] Hassy: Occam's razor surely [04.08.2012 16:48:12] Hassy: It's highly unlikely that both eran and bugs are town [04.08.2012 16:48:25] Hassy: even with their abrasive personalities [04.08.2012 16:48:53] Erik: I'd include prplhz in that group thanks to one of bugs most recent posts [04.08.2012 16:49:32] Erik: bugs said he thinks prplhz is 95% mafia. If bugs really is a townie and is pissed because of the skype convos we at least know that's something to work with [04.08.2012 16:50:04] Erik: I'd say at this point either bugs or prplhz has to be mafia. I don't know how eran is in this [04.08.2012 16:50:51] Hassy: well we need the logs to get a better read on eran [04.08.2012 16:51:02] Hassy: if bugs is town there's something that's clearly pissed him off [04.08.2012 16:51:09] Hassy: if he's mafia there's implication in there [04.08.2012 16:51:14] Erik: yeah i really want to see those logs to see wether or not bugs has a reason to be that pissed [04.08.2012 16:51:16] Hassy: either way it's useful [04.08.2012 16:51:36] Erik: just go ahead and ask him [04.08.2012 16:51:44] Erik: he's probably ignoring me [04.08.2012 16:52:01] Erik: and if we can see the logs BEFORE the lynch happens that might be really good [04.08.2012 16:52:13] Erik: also I want you to post more :3 [04.08.2012 16:53:20] Hassy: no point in complicating it [04.08.2012 16:53:32] Hassy: we're lsoing the meanings of shit in the semantics thrown around [04.08.2012 17:15:50] Hassy: here's something awkward [04.08.2012 17:15:57] Hassy: what if they both refuse? [04.08.2012 17:16:15] Erik: why should they [04.08.2012 17:16:37] Hassy: illogically [04.08.2012 17:16:40] Erik: worst case scenario is they're posting it 1 sec before the lynch [04.08.2012 17:16:52] Erik: why should town wbg not post it before the lynch [04.08.2012 17:17:00] Erik: or why should town eran not post it before the lynch [04.08.2012 17:17:13] Hassy: I'm trying to wrap around wy either of them should be doing what they're doing [04.08.2012 17:18:01] Hassy: I'd expect eran to do it at least, if he's town [04.08.2012 17:18:17] Hassy: bugs is being spiteful, and might not if that's still the case [04.08.2012 17:22:33] Hassy: random tangent btw: olympic QF between senegal and mexico [04.08.2012 17:22:45] Hassy: on of the seneglese actually drop kicked someone [04.08.2012 17:23:08] Erik: how do people watch olympics [04.08.2012 17:23:29] Erik: I get that you're from the UK and so them being in london is something but I'd never consider watching them ;D [04.08.2012 17:23:58] Hassy: its fun [04.08.2012 17:24:08] Hassy: one of the few times we get some national pride :D [04.08.2012 19:37:44] Hassy: still no log from either of them [04.08.2012 20:51:15] Erik: okay the log is erandorr and wbg mud fighting [04.08.2012 20:54:12] Hassy: looking...for something credible... [04.08.2012 21:01:17] Hassy: no...I don't really see it [04.08.2012 21:01:38] Erik: ? [04.08.2012 21:01:49] Hassy: the chat, is there really a decent discussion in there? [04.08.2012 21:01:55] Erik: no [04.08.2012 21:01:57] Erik: ^^ [04.08.2012 21:02:06] Hassy: even the discussion about masons deteriorated fast [04.08.2012 21:02:11] Erik: but I'd be pissed if that happened to me [04.08.2012 21:02:25] Erik: i just don't know why it happened lol [04.08.2012 21:02:33] Hassy: I don't see a reason [04.08.2012 21:02:49] Hassy: literally started with him being pissed off [04.08.2012 21:02:54] Hassy: unless he's super stressed about finals [04.08.2012 22:18:23] Hassy: well looks like he's super stressed out about exams! [04.08.2012 22:42:03] Hassy: hmmm [04.08.2012 22:42:14] Hassy: I still think that talis is a bit worse than prpl tbh [04.08.2012 22:42:34] Hassy: i've counted three times that he's tried to rolefish/out a potential blue [04.08.2012 22:43:02] Erik: yeah but talis does that no matter of alignment [04.08.2012 22:43:20] Erik: he's really the kind of guy who plays mafia to understand the set-up and not to figure people out [04.08.2012 22:43:57] Hassy: that's a very dangerous way of playing [04.08.2012 22:44:16] Erik: it's a stupid way of playing [04.08.2012 22:44:23] Erik: but I can't help it [04.08.2012 22:45:21] Hassy: I guess [04.08.2012 22:45:25] Hassy: how long till the deadline btw? [04.08.2012 22:45:39] Erik: really long I think 5 am my time? [04.08.2012 22:45:48] Hassy: og that's ok [04.08.2012 22:45:54] Hassy: I have to go to the mosque for a few hours [04.08.2012 22:45:57] Erik: 9 pm est [04.08.2012 22:46:01] Erik: let's check what that is [04.08.2012 22:46:08] Hassy: still have time to get back and make a final decision [04.08.2012 22:46:14] Erik: 4 am my time [04.08.2012 22:46:21] Erik: kk [04.08.2012 22:46:28] Hassy: so...3am mine [04.08.2012 22:46:30] Hassy: plenty of time [04.08.2012 22:46:31] Hassy: cya in a bit Needless to say I was the guy who proposed the Prplhz lynch in chat with Eran while Eran favored the WBG lynch. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
toad has moved from scummy to townie in my head. many small things that suggest more effort than I see him putting in as scum. VE I think is scum both from his attitude, his lack of promised scumhunting, and the reason he picked for voting me. Hassybaby I think is scum for being too cautious sounding and not actually contributing novel stuff. He also gets baited by my setup talk. xsebt is default scum in my mind until he does something besides show up and make one incredibly wishy-washy post near deadline. wbg has an outside chance of being scum and wanting to sacrifice himself for some reason but I actually think he's more likely to be town. strongandbig and jinglehell both need to stop digging their tunnels and talk about other stuff for a while. jingle in particular has moved from town to neutral for his odd persistence. hopeless1der makes scummy posts but overall seems townie to me. Like his post composition soudns like scum, but what he's doing seems townlike. In particular the part where he said he was going to check into zephirdd and then he actually did. synystyr I think is scum until proven innocent for his excitement/activity discrepancy. I have my eye on glasse/dropula even though both are sort of loosely in my neutral/town category in my mind. I'm eager to see their promised activity in the future. From glasse, his promised read on toad. And from dropula, living up to this call to action for a more active thread. I think that's it, time for bed. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On August 04 2012 08:19 CountDropula wrote: His first post. Starts off with saying that Zephs behavior could be explained by two ways, both which are to some degree anti-town moves. Yet he ignores that Jingle's reason to FoS him was very weak. Zephird's vote on prphlz was clearly a joke move, and there wasn't a reastic chance for someone to get bandwagoned for that, especially not in such a big game. The most resonable explanation for him voting Jingle was to put pressure on him after putting up such a weak FoS on him. Dropula completely ignored this, which would imply that he is making Zephird look worse than he actually did. Zephirdd's change from one unfounded vote to another tells me that 1. He doesn't care who is lynched 2. He doesn't feel comfortable dealing with pressure, so he fires back on jinglehell counterproductively. Another example of an unsubstantiated position-taking. After a legit response from toad, another switch. He sounds way too meek in the latter quote. Any objections/further evidence backed by specific evidence? Cause I'm leaning toward voting zephirdd. Changing your opinion is not necesarly a scum trait. He is testing the waters here. Wants to hear everybody elses thought's on Zephird. He is leaning towards voting him. He does however end up not. Why? In worst case you could simply unvote him, no harm done. Note the timing of the post as well, right when the Zephird shit-storm is at it's peak. On August 04 2012 10:16 CountDropula wrote: Second post. His vote against Jingle was NOT the same thing as his vote against prphlz. Also, I'm not sure what he means by never mentioning his second point but I really can't find anything Zephird didn't answer in his post. Still throwing shit at Zephird for things he is not responsible for. Your burst of emotion is suspicious. If your play in the first 5 min paid off, why are you continuing the same behavior in the very response where you out it to the thread? Isn't it over? You never mentioned my second point in your response. I'm not the only one who is suspicious of you, but I don't know about a bandwagon. Just give everyone some concrete defense, we will determine that you are green, and this won't take up any more time. He then does some super back and forth vote jumoing without explaining himslef. 1. On August 05 2012 03:16 CountDropula wrote: I really think the most important issue for us right now is getting people active. Were giving mafia too much space to hide. Nevertheless, I'm voting wbg right now though that can change. For sure watching zeph though, but I need a better case. On August 05 2012 03:24 CountDropula wrote: Vote: Wherebugsgo 2. just 1 1/2 hour later, without any reason what so ever. On August 05 2012 04:42 CountDropula wrote: ##Unvote: Wherebugsgo ##vote: Talismania 3. Still no reason. On August 05 2012 08:48 CountDropula wrote: ##unvote: Talismania ##vote:prplhz 4. When BKE confronts him with this hillarious voteing pattern, he respondes with: On August 05 2012 16:08 CountDropula wrote: Gives some really weak reason for his vote/unvote on Talis/WBG. Says that the evidence for voting Zeph was too slim yet he was able to vote prphlz without any reason what so ever.I felt my votes on Talismania and wbg were too based on cherry picking and jumping the gun. The reason I didn't vote for zephirdd even though I had only mentioned him is that I'd like to back up my suspicions of him more thoroughly. Did not mason. Hope that helps. Dropula, unless you give some really good response I will make sure to get you lynched tomorrow. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [my thoughts about the log] + There are a bunch of issues with Eran in the log I quoted like him saying "WBG is mafia, VE is mafia, Prplhz is probably mafia, you could be mafia yourself" but I took that as him being unsure at that time and considering all the possibilities. Or the fact that I consider him to be writing manipulative to some degree but idk. For example, when he said "Everyone in this game is just bad... and you're as well if you can't realize that". That's something I really don't like in general because obviously noone wants to be called bad which results in most people simply agreeing with the guy for the sake of not beeing bad, because again, who wants to be bad, right? However those moments were rare and I think if he wanted to manipulate me he'd rather do something along the lines of Hassy: Agree with me a lot, sweet-talk me, stuff like that. I really don't think he'd take the hard-route and risk making me mad like that if the goal was to manipulate me I'm usually playing along when masoning with people either way to get a better idea about them and what they're trying to do. So keep that in mind. + Show Spoiler [Masonlog with Eran - english] + [03.08.2012 14:21:48] Toad: sup [03.08.2012 14:21:49] Erandorr: sup [03.08.2012 14:21:50] Erandorr: :D [03.08.2012 14:22:01] Toad: thoughts so far? [03.08.2012 14:22:08] Toad: about that VE / WBG thing? [03.08.2012 14:22:16] Erandorr: uh [03.08.2012 14:22:22] Erandorr: VE masoning should be clear [03.08.2012 14:22:33] Erandorr: you mason people who are going to have some influence [03.08.2012 14:22:43] Erandorr: especially if 90% of the playerbase in the game is bad [03.08.2012 14:22:53] Toad: sure, but the thing with WBG is [03.08.2012 14:22:59] Erandorr: that' got nothing to do with wether or not VE thinks bugs is town or mafia [03.08.2012 14:23:00] Toad: he's extremly manipulative [03.08.2012 14:23:23] Toad: I don't think I'd dare to insta-mason WBG on d1 without information [03.08.2012 14:23:33] Erandorr: y not [03.08.2012 14:23:36] Erandorr: bugs is easy [03.08.2012 14:24:00] Toad: pretty much everyone agrees that he's master-mafia :p [03.08.2012 14:24:13] Erandorr: I get him every game [03.08.2012 14:24:14] Toad: and he's extremly good in making people think the way he thinks [03.08.2012 14:24:14] Erandorr: except for one [03.08.2012 14:24:16] Erandorr: so far [03.08.2012 14:24:39] Toad: I think I'm quite decent in understanding him as well but that got to be based on something [03.08.2012 14:24:45] Erandorr: he's good [03.08.2012 14:24:53] Erandorr: but I got him every game so far [03.08.2012 14:25:08] Erandorr: it's not about [03.08.2012 14:25:18] Toad: last time I played with him and he was mafia [03.08.2012 14:25:29] Toad: I told people he's mafia d1 or d2 (storm) [03.08.2012 14:25:42] Toad: but he somehow managed to get 70% of people follow his ideas [03.08.2012 14:25:46] Toad: and everyone did what he wanted [03.08.2012 14:25:52] Erandorr: wayne [03.08.2012 14:26:26] Toad: if you're sure that you're belonging to those 30%, yeah^^ [03.08.2012 14:26:35] Erandorr: no that doesn't matter [03.08.2012 14:26:45] Erandorr: because that's completly OT [03.08.2012 14:26:59] Erandorr: if you're that scared that someone could manipulate you as scum [03.08.2012 14:27:07] Erandorr: you probably should forget about playing mafia [03.08.2012 14:27:09] Toad: but it's better to just mason someone you got a town-read on [03.08.2012 14:27:11] Erandorr: and VE isn't doing that [03.08.2012 14:27:21] Erandorr: how do you want to know that bugs isn't town? [03.08.2012 14:27:31] Erandorr: and I suppose VE thinks everyone else in the game is useless [03.08.2012 14:27:40] Erandorr: which should be correct, the playerbase is shit [03.08.2012 14:27:43] Toad: idk, but I'm rather masoning someone I got a townread on than masoning someone randomly [03.08.2012 14:28:13] Toad: yeah playerbase is shit but some people are decent [03.08.2012 14:28:26] Toad: you're decent, VE is decent, prplhz is decent, that smurf guy is probably decent [03.08.2012 14:28:38] Toad: WBG is decent, I think I'm decent as well [03.08.2012 14:29:08] Toad: That's all people you could choose from. And if you got that selection you'd rather choose someone you got down as a townie, instead of [03.08.2012 14:29:13] Toad: just randomly someone [03.08.2012 14:29:45] Erandorr: wbg isn't just someone [03.08.2012 14:29:56] Erandorr: and it's important to get a good read on him [03.08.2012 14:30:18] Erandorr: and why should you mason someone you consider to be town? [03.08.2012 14:30:21] Toad: yeah but reading wbg is easier from watching than from talking with him imo [03.08.2012 14:30:52] Toad: o the cycle isn't wasted?^^ [03.08.2012 14:31:19] Toad: especially d1 the reads are usually pretty weak [03.08.2012 14:32:05] Erandorr: hmm [03.08.2012 14:32:24] Erandorr: I think it's too early [03.08.2012 14:32:30] Erandorr: to think about stuff like that [03.08.2012 14:32:34] Toad: yeah [03.08.2012 14:32:37] Erandorr: let's see how they're going to react this day [03.08.2012 14:32:41] Toad: I want to know what VE is going to answer^^ [03.08.2012 14:32:49] Erandorr: what's your thoughts about the rest [03.08.2012 14:32:55] Erandorr: who posted so far [03.08.2012 14:33:19] Toad: talis is hard to read atm. What he posted earlier is just extreme bullshit [03.08.2012 14:33:43] Toad: I think he's mafia who's trying to bend something in a way so it's beneficial for him [03.08.2012 14:34:11] Toad: VE is strange, you're town, zeph is strange [03.08.2012 14:34:22] Erandorr: why am I town? [03.08.2012 14:34:32] Toad: clicky! I like. I would have done the same if I were around. To make clear that what WBG posted could possibly be something of importance and to get him talking by voting / taunting him. Looks like a nice d1 mason target to me and he's german... but I want to have more input right now clicky! Another nice post I like. Completly agree with him. Clicky! Another nice post. I'll mason him d1. [03.08.2012 14:34:46] Toad: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=13#249 (1st clicky) [03.08.2012 14:34:54] Toad: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=13#258 (2nd) [03.08.2012 14:35:03] Toad: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=13#259 (3rd) [03.08.2012 14:35:18] Erandorr: boah [03.08.2012 14:35:22] Erandorr: so many notes [03.08.2012 14:35:23] Erandorr: tryhard :D [03.08.2012 14:35:47] Toad: well I liked your first post and I wanted to mason you [03.08.2012 14:36:05] Toad: proceeded to wait a little and checked you out so I've got more notes on you than on the rest [03.08.2012 14:36:13] Erandorr: :D [03.08.2012 14:36:15] Erandorr: hmm [03.08.2012 14:36:25] Erandorr: idk, I'd never say someone is town [03.08.2012 14:36:29] Erandorr: after 3 posts :D [03.08.2012 14:36:57] Toad: What's "confident" in german?^^ [03.08.2012 14:37:07] Toad: I guess I think my townreads are quite decent [Toads annotation: wouldn't it be ironic to run directly into mafia?] [03.08.2012 14:37:10] Erandorr: "zuversichtlich" [03.08.2012 14:37:16] Erandorr: "selbstbewusst" [03.08.2012 14:37:28] Erandorr: that's it in german :D [03.08.2012 14:37:48] Toad: ok, VE is extremly strange to me [03.08.2012 14:37:51] Toad: don't you think so? [03.08.2012 14:38:06] Toad: (not because of that mason thing at all) [03.08.2012 14:38:20] Erandorr: hmm [03.08.2012 14:38:24] Erandorr: somehow [03.08.2012 14:38:31] Erandorr: but I'm still having problems dealing with the fact that he's supposed to be good now [03.08.2012 14:38:43] Toad: same here ;D [03.08.2012 14:38:45] Erandorr: haven't played for half a year and he used to be [03.08.2012 14:38:48] Erandorr: lynch target #1 [03.08.2012 14:38:50] Toad: he had that one really good game [03.08.2012 14:38:51] Erandorr: basicly every game [03.08.2012 14:39:05] Toad: he played really good as SK [03.08.2012 14:39:18] Toad: ever since that game he got to be major-VET and / or n1-target [03.08.2012 14:39:25] Toad: after that game he proceeded to fail a lot [03.08.2012 14:39:41] Toad: not like big fails but he didn't play like someone who's a n1-target afterwards [03.08.2012 14:40:43] Toad: someone you got a read on so far? [03.08.2012 14:40:57] Erandorr: nope [03.08.2012 14:41:02] Toad: nice^^ [03.08.2012 14:41:04] Erandorr: just ask me later the evening [03.08.2012 14:41:10] Erandorr: I never got reads that early [03.08.2012 14:41:20] Erandorr: maybe a thought but no read [03.08.2012 14:41:49] Erandorr: going to be [03.08.2012 14:41:53] Erandorr: back in 2 or 3 hours [03.08.2012 14:41:57] Toad: kk [03.08.2012 14:41:58] Erandorr: I'm chasing my room in my shared flat [annotation: I had no idea what that's supposed to mean] [03.08.2012 14:42:04] Erandorr: that's really annoying this time [03.08.2012 16:31:58] Toad: prplhz doing that on purpose to get a reaction from glasse [annotation: After Eran posted in thread about prplhz's case being stupid] [03.08.2012 16:32:07] Erandorr: wbg is scum [03.08.2012 16:32:10] Erandorr: ve prly scum [03.08.2012 16:32:13] Erandorr: prplhz might be scum [03.08.2012 16:32:27] Toad: no way is prplhz really thinking the way he posted [03.08.2012 16:32:34] Erandorr: scum [03.08.2012 16:32:46] Erandorr: wbg is scum and he's behaving like a complete idiot [03.08.2012 16:33:31] Erandorr: you might be scum as well, not sure yet [03.08.2012 16:33:33] Erandorr: <3 [03.08.2012 16:33:37] Erandorr: but I'd doubt it, your notes [03.08.2012 16:33:37] Erandorr: are to much effort [03.08.2012 16:35:20] Toad: idk, I don't think prplhz would post that as mafia [03.08.2012 16:35:34] Toad: what he posted [about glasse] is just the biggest junk of bullshit I've ever read [03.08.2012 16:35:53] Toad: he GOT to know that [03.08.2012 16:38:11] Toad: btw, did you really mason WBG or was WBG just fooling around? [03.08.2012 16:38:27] Erandorr: really did that to check what he's going to do [03.08.2012 16:38:30] Erandorr: and yes he's scum [03.08.2012 16:38:39] Erandorr: or he's playing the worst town game ever [03.08.2012 16:38:58] Toad: because of something in the thread or because of something in your chat? [03.08.2012 16:54:08] Toad: going to get something to eat and I'll check it out later [03.08.2012 17:09:51] Toad: gawd, nothing here... have to go to McD [03.08.2012 18:09:51] Erandorr: everyone in this game is so bad [03.08.2012 18:09:53] Erandorr: oh my god [03.08.2012 18:09:55] Toad: [03.08.2012 18:10:04] Erandorr: you're as well if you can't realize that, sry [03.08.2012 18:13:32] Toad: problem right now is, that's so much that doesn't make sense to me [03.08.2012 18:13:41] Toad: I want to know why WBG outed 2 guys [03.08.2012 18:14:02] Toad: I want to know why prplhz posted that bullshit case [03.08.2012 18:14:13] Toad: I want to know why VE is posting so idiotic [03.08.2012 18:14:14] Erandorr: :D [03.08.2012 18:14:22] Toad: doubt all three of them are mafia [03.08.2012 18:14:28] Erandorr: rofl [03.08.2012 18:14:38] Toad: so someone is bound to do bullshit on purpose [03.08.2012 18:15:48] Toad: and those are the guys who are capable to play decent [03.08.2012 18:16:02] Toad: guys like Talis not even listed above [04.08.2012 12:30:15] Toad: I got the feeling this game is going to be hard [04.08.2012 12:30:25] Erandorr: rofl [04.08.2012 12:30:30] Toad: I think we got about 6 guys in this game who are truely able to do something [04.08.2012 12:30:30] Erandorr: I played [04.08.2012 12:30:35] Erandorr: 1v24 for one full day [04.08.2012 12:30:41] Erandorr: as long as WBG is out of the way everything's going to be all right [04.08.2012 12:30:49] Toad: let's say out of those 6 are 5 town and one is mafia [04.08.2012 12:31:13] Toad: as soon as those 5 are gone it's going to be the same as WoF 8( [04.08.2012 12:35:25] Erandorr: vot [04.08.2012 12:35:27] Erandorr: vote [04.08.2012 12:35:28] Erandorr: wbg [04.08.2012 12:35:30] Erandorr: in thread and vote thread [04.08.2012 12:35:32] Erandorr: man up [04.08.2012 12:35:48] Toad: I did in the voting thread [04.08.2012 12:35:58] Erandorr: post something inthread [04.08.2012 12:35:59] Erandorr: to make it clear [04.08.2012 12:36:07] Toad: fine [04.08.2012 12:36:07] Erandorr: that's important so that the zombies get an idea on what's happening [04.08.2012 12:37:22] Toad: but those 2 mafia KP are going to be really bad [04.08.2012 12:37:30] Erandorr: mhm [04.08.2012 12:37:50] Toad: 5 alive = 2 KP, 4 alive = 2 KP, 3 alive = 2KP [04.08.2012 12:38:14] Toad: as soon as WBG / you / VE / Prplhz / Smurf / me are dead this is going to be really bad [04.08.2012 12:38:41] Erandorr: nope [04.08.2012 12:38:43] Erandorr: that's wayne [04.08.2012 12:38:51] Erandorr: naps are going to do what naps are going to do [04.08.2012 12:38:55] Erandorr: I don't care about that :D [04.08.2012 12:38:55] Toad: think we have to understand the game until the end of n2 [04.08.2012 12:39:44] Toad: but funny how this game seems to be mason infested. [04.08.2012 17:30:04] Erandorr: its [04.08.2012 17:30:07] Erandorr: prplhz and wbg [04.08.2012 17:30:07] Erandorr: most likely [04.08.2012 17:30:12] Erandorr: not one or the other [04.08.2012 17:30:20] Erandorr: its good scumplay to set it up like bugs does [04.08.2012 17:30:23] Toad: dude german :D [annotation: last 5 lines were english] [04.08.2012 17:30:29] Erandorr: ok look [04.08.2012 17:30:33] Toad: yeah might be [04.08.2012 17:30:35] Erandorr: bugs says he's 95% certain [04.08.2012 17:30:39] Erandorr: prplhz is scum [04.08.2012 17:30:43] Toad: my "or" wasn't meant to be excluding [annotation: Prplhz or WBG have to be mafia post] [04.08.2012 17:30:45] Erandorr: but he never mentioned him once [04.08.2012 17:31:00] Toad: jyeah [04.08.2012 17:31:17] Toad: even though I asked him twice about prplhz [04.08.2012 17:31:44] Toad: that "or" was more of a "one of the two has to be mafia" [04.08.2012 20:24:44] Toad: oh [04.08.2012 20:25:02] Erandorr: im here [04.08.2012 20:25:05] Toad: ist voting format simple majority? [04.08.2012 20:25:06] Erandorr: eating right now [04.08.2012 20:25:13] Erandorr: btw about the logs [04.08.2012 20:25:23] Erandorr: I can send them to you so that you get an idea about it [04.08.2012 20:25:33] Toad: k [04.08.2012 20:26:01] Erandorr: his logik in there [04.08.2012 20:26:42] Toad: just upload it somewhere as .txt, okay? [04.08.2012 20:27:20] Erandorr: I'm going to put you through this [04.08.2012 20:27:21] Erandorr: for lols [04.08.2012 20:27:46] Erandorr: k it's to big [04.08.2012 20:27:56] Erandorr: where to upload? [04.08.2012 20:28:21] Toad: http://www.speedyshare.com/ [04.08.2012 20:28:28] Toad: just upload as .txt [04.08.2012 20:29:08] Erandorr: sent you pm [04.08.2012 20:29:09] Erandorr: first [04.08.2012 20:31:31] Erandorr: oh [04.08.2012 20:31:34] Erandorr: and he's lying btw [04.08.2012 20:31:38] Erandorr: I never called him mafia in mini mafia [04.08.2012 20:31:46] Erandorr: wasn't sure about it but I just checked it [04.08.2012 20:36:22] Erandorr: you think I should post that? [04.08.2012 20:36:33] Toad: am reading [04.08.2012 20:36:35] Toad: brb [04.08.2012 20:36:36] Erandorr: you've got to [04.08.2012 20:36:51] Erandorr: I provoked him because I was pissed as well [04.08.2012 20:36:55] Erandorr: but check out [04.08.2012 20:37:01] Erandorr: what he's doing every time I'm asking a question [04.08.2012 20:38:25] Toad: don't think it's going to hurt to post it [04.08.2012 20:38:41] Erandorr: hmm [04.08.2012 20:38:44] Toad: hassy is going to say that he understands how WBG ended up being pissed. [04.08.2012 20:38:54] Toad: because that's really just mud fighting [04.08.2012 20:39:00] Erandorr: oh [04.08.2012 20:39:05] Erandorr: that's exactly why I don't want to post it [04.08.2012 20:39:13] Erandorr: if even you're telling me it's a mud fight [04.08.2012 20:39:21] Erandorr: just read how the mud fight started [04.08.2012 20:39:23] Erandorr: check out what I said [04.08.2012 20:39:30] Erandorr: and his reaction [04.08.2012 20:39:36] Erandorr: and what kind of words he's putting in my mouth [04.08.2012 20:43:30] Toad: I'm still not sure if it's better to lynch WBG or prplhz [04.08.2012 20:43:54] Toad: to me both are about equally scummy [04.08.2012 20:44:09] Erandorr: we've got to pull through with WBG [04.08.2012 20:44:23] Toad: guess so [04.08.2012 20:45:32] Erandorr: promised a friend [04.08.2012 20:45:37] Erandorr: to play some dota [04.08.2012 20:45:38] Erandorr: afk 2 hours or something like that [04.08.2012 20:45:43] Erandorr: let's see what's going to happen [04.08.2012 20:47:18] Toad: I think you should post the log nevertheless [04.08.2012 20:47:34] Toad: the case on WBG is not entirely on him ragequitting [04.08.2012 21:00:13] Toad: btw I think Hassy could be the last mafia [04.08.2012 23:11:23] Erandorr: no [04.08.2012 23:11:24] Erandorr: kill wbg [04.08.2012 23:11:26] Erandorr: he is scum [04.08.2012 23:11:36] Erandorr: its fake anger [04.08.2012 23:11:39] Erandorr: it must be [04.08.2012 23:11:48] Toad: prplhz ist equally scum [04.08.2012 23:11:59] Erandorr: yeah but right now [04.08.2012 23:12:04] Erandorr: we've got enough on WBG [04.08.2012 23:12:07] Erandorr: lynch WBG [04.08.2012 23:12:15] Toad: and WBG said he thinks prplhz to be 95% mafia [04.08.2012 23:12:16] Erandorr: and it's almost indifferent [04.08.2012 23:12:24] Erandorr: yeah and if prplhz is mafia together with WBG [04.08.2012 23:12:27] Erandorr: which I consider to be the case [04.08.2012 23:12:35] Erandorr: WBG is going to look decent and has anther 2 or 3 days to pull some bullshit [04.08.2012 23:12:38] Toad: that's not going to hurt [04.08.2012 23:13:00] Toad: if he's still alive d3 after a red prplhz lynch he's going to get insta-lynched anyways [04.08.2012 23:13:17] Toad: while we can just lynch someone different d2 [04.08.2012 23:13:21] Erandorr: well [04.08.2012 23:13:22] Erandorr: pff [04.08.2012 23:13:25] Toad: or hassy [04.08.2012 23:13:26] Erandorr: honestly [04.08.2012 23:13:34] Erandorr: I don't want to stick to the game with WBG in it [04.08.2012 23:13:40] Erandorr: you read what he posted [04.08.2012 23:13:49] Toad: ignore it / him [00:00:22] Erandorr: murder [00:00:29] Erandorr: prplhz [00:00:29] Erandorr: today [00:00:33] Erandorr: should be okay [00:00:37] Toad: yeah [00:00:53] Toad: everyone and their mom crawling out of their holes out of nowhere is kinda funny [00:01:05] Erandorr: I think jinglehell is mafia [00:01:11] Erandorr: not because of his most recent post [00:01:17] Erandorr: but because of everything that he did before that [00:01:39] Erandorr: soft wbg defence is something I obviously don't like either :D [00:01:44] Toad: I actually had jinglehell down as dopey townie who's having his first or 2nd game [00:01:53] Erandorr: hmm could be [00:02:04] Erandorr: but I'd say we should look after him tomorrow [00:02:07] Erandorr: talking about d2 [00:02:12] Toad: something like that is really hard to judge but he's putting in some effort [00:02:19] Toad: and if we're talking about noobs that's always a plus on my list [00:02:23] Toad: yeah [00:02:29] Toad: my read on him is really weak [00:39:53] Erandorr: yap [00:39:58] Erandorr: jingles is scum [00:40:09] Erandorr: his reads about the important guys [00:40:31] Erandorr: om the other hand it would be pretty bold for a noob mafia [00:40:32] Erandorr: let's see [00:40:38] Erandorr: we've got some time but he's staying on the radar I don't think there's anything in there that's confidential. Some reads that may or may not be best outed and I don't know which one's the case so I just posted it because I'm having some problems figuring out what's going on right now. I actually wouldn't mind vets being shot tonight. I know I'm town. I think / thought Eran is town. I still think WBG has a decent chance to flip mafia. If he's not mafia Eran probably is and I was wrong about him. VE is still weird but somewhat on the townside but I'd have to look out for him. Prplhz is dead and I considered him to be maifa. To be perfectly honest I wouldn't mind anyone out of those dying at all and I feel like seeing them flip is at least going to help us figure out this chaos. I obviously can't tell you to protect me but at the same time ignore those 4. That being said I'd say it's best to protect people who are looking townish but usually not drawing protection. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
Talismania, I was too inactive during d1, so a "default scum" accusation is probably in its place. If you keep having concerns, just ask me more direct questions. I'm not quite able to keep up with you guys when it comes to posting. I will be brief and to the point when posting. That said, I don't know why you would throw out so many scum accusations so early on, while already in the spotlight with wbg from d1. You should fear for your own survival in this game. If you're town, I consider the accusations a bad move. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
just thought I'd let you guys know. we need to start killing mafia. | ||
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CountDropula
United States61 Posts
Changing votes like that was a mistake. Honestly i was too hasty, and that's it. Made a mistake, but is it really that suspicious? | ||
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CountDropula
United States61 Posts
Some people are even less active than I am, believe it or not. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Scummiest of all: wherebugsgo + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2012 20:50 wherebugsgo wrote: before I forget, I got masoned by VE. I'm not a mason. I'm Roger Sterling. You guys should know that by now, but then again I don't remember why I hired some of you. scummy as fuck. idgaf about him getting all emo that's not alignment indicative. It seems like continuing to push for his lynch right now is just gonna fuck over the town atmosphere even more, so I'll give him a day. However, it's gonna take some fucking townie-ass shit to change my mind. also where the fuck do bugs go On August 04 2012 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote: + Show Spoiler + Let's kill grush. As long as he trolls he's a detriment and certainly the only thing he actually does as scum is troll. Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game, just as he wasn't in LV. I would strongly suggest to anyone who gets masoned to out the person who masoned them from now on. If both Eran and VE are town then the likelihood of a third mason being town is incredibly low. Thus if there is a scum mason they'd be unlikely to use it (win for us). I'm pretty sure both VE and Eran are town (for now). In particular Eran is almost certainly town because he really wants me to prove I'm town (encouraging me to get on skype, for example) something I don't think he'd do as scum. Anyone voting for him right now (Jingle) needs to also read his posts. Some of the logic might be bad but that doesn't make Eran scum. ##vote grush57 seriously scummy as fuck >80% chance of flipping scum imo:
Candidates for the other scum:
I also generated quite a few weak town reads and three or four really really strong town reads. However, I won't be sharing those because there's no good reason to and I don't want to give scum advice on which lurkers to shoot. I'm also just going to post some stuff down below here because it deserves to be pointed out. + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2012 10:40 VisceraEyes wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2012 10:34 Zephirdd wrote: HAHAHA I WIN for that ##vote prplhz I didn't realize we ventured off the beaten path into MafiaScum here...so we're just voting randomly now? Should I take this as your consent to lynch randomly today? For my part, I'm very much against random lynching in this game. We need to be lynching scum, and if Bureaucracy taught us anything, it's that D1 scum lynches are VERY VERY possible given proper scumhunting. Granted, it took scum and town BOTH looking, but I digress....I'm against RL this game. Actually wait where the fuck did random lynch proposal come from -> null or scum Yeah I know people said ve was playing cautiously because of his role but fuck that he's ve, he doesn't do that shit. On August 05 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, everyone STOP. This lynch on WBG is not happening. Having PMed with him, I'm NOT of the opinion that he's scum and I think we should focus on other, actually scummy candidates. You guys are WIFOMing this lynch to shit. I fully support a talis lynch upon rereading. He literally asked for a NAMECLAIM from everyone guys. LITERALLY. ##Vote: talismania I think Bugs is town. I don't want to lynch him. slOosh, you in particular I want to hear more reasoning from. Your only gripe with him seems to be his read on prplhz - so...because you disagree with his read he's scum? Really? I don't like a grush lynch today either - it feels like a copout. But I totally can see a town Bugs wanting to lynch grush today. Grush was a key factor in the scum victory in LVI, for the same shit he's exhibiting now. However, I agree that we should give our vigs a chance to take care of him. We should be aiming for people we specifically think are scum, and for me that's not wherebugsgo. This is pretty terrible play, VE. You just assert that your PMs with wbg make you think he's town. That shouldn't be enough to move a lynch off of someone without proof, you need to back that up. On the other hand, I think talismania looks scummy, so ve gets benefit of the doubt for now. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Grush: + Show Spoiler + On August 04 2012 07:50 grush57 wrote: THE STARSENSES, THEY ARE COOOOMMING TOO MEEE grush why do you even play mafia if you just aren't going to try. I mean you might be scum this time around but you do shit like this as both alignments. I am not even kidding or trying to insult you here. I genuinely am curious - why do you keep joining games if you're not going to actually play? Or do you just not understand that (1) establishing your innocence, and (2) persuading other people of your reads are actually important parts of the game? Synystyr: + Show Spoiler + On August 05 2012 01:14 Synystyr wrote: + Show Spoiler + In regards to Grush vs WBG, I did find this back fro LVI Man, scum Grush isn't based on him having opinions. It's based on him not activating his starsenses. He was dumb and trolly but mildly helpful in listing people somewhere, enough so that maju mentioned his starsenses in LV, and Grush then posted a list of suspects, although in Grush fashion. This time, NO STARSENSE. KURUMI RULE + NO STARSENSE REFERENCE = SCUM. from: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/hmrAdwKTNFm Dead obs thread for LVI Grush did mention starsenses in this thread, so this may be his way of tipping us off that he is town with us. However he's seems so trollish that this could mean nothing. I wouldn't go as far as to discredit this though. I'm still not a fan at all of WBG's idea to out masons this early. Whatever he says, it is a completely anti-town move and gives Mafia easy targets. WBG is also messing with our Vig's head on who to shoot. He may be directing the heat off of himself and onto the masons as targets, causing possible misfire. I believe Erandorr and VE are both town and WBG's play is to fuck with the Vig's head and get a misfire on either, while the Mafia target the other. You need to post more and also post things that are more insightful man. I think what you're suggesting here is that grush is breadcrumbing that he's town and we should listen to him, which is pretty silly - otherwise we would know that he's scum every time he didn't do that. I guess you are new so you get a day or two since there are even clearer scum, but seriously bro post more and post better please. Sloosh: + Show Spoiler + On August 05 2012 03:02 slOosh wrote: OK Talis just claimed scum with that last post. Ignore him please. If talismania claimed scum with that post why did we lynch prplhz and not him. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On August 06 2012 00:03 strongandbig wrote: Alright I just spent like two hours rereading the whole thread. Here's what I've got: Scummiest of all: wherebugsgo + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2012 20:50 wherebugsgo wrote: before I forget, I got masoned by VE. I'm not a mason. I'm Roger Sterling. You guys should know that by now, but then again I don't remember why I hired some of you. scummy as fuck. idgaf about him getting all emo that's not alignment indicative. It seems like continuing to push for his lynch right now is just gonna fuck over the town atmosphere even more, so I'll give him a day. However, it's gonna take some fucking townie-ass shit to change my mind. also where the fuck do bugs go On August 04 2012 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote: + Show Spoiler + Let's kill grush. As long as he trolls he's a detriment and certainly the only thing he actually does as scum is troll. Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game, just as he wasn't in LV. I would strongly suggest to anyone who gets masoned to out the person who masoned them from now on. If both Eran and VE are town then the likelihood of a third mason being town is incredibly low. Thus if there is a scum mason they'd be unlikely to use it (win for us). I'm pretty sure both VE and Eran are town (for now). In particular Eran is almost certainly town because he really wants me to prove I'm town (encouraging me to get on skype, for example) something I don't think he'd do as scum. Anyone voting for him right now (Jingle) needs to also read his posts. Some of the logic might be bad but that doesn't make Eran scum. ##vote grush57 seriously scummy as fuck >80% chance of flipping scum imo:
Candidates for the other scum:
I also generated quite a few weak town reads and three or four really really strong town reads. However, I won't be sharing those because there's no good reason to and I don't want to give scum advice on which lurkers to shoot. I'm also just going to post some stuff down below here because it deserves to be pointed out. + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2012 10:40 VisceraEyes wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2012 10:34 Zephirdd wrote: HAHAHA I WIN for that ##vote prplhz I didn't realize we ventured off the beaten path into MafiaScum here...so we're just voting randomly now? Should I take this as your consent to lynch randomly today? For my part, I'm very much against random lynching in this game. We need to be lynching scum, and if Bureaucracy taught us anything, it's that D1 scum lynches are VERY VERY possible given proper scumhunting. Granted, it took scum and town BOTH looking, but I digress....I'm against RL this game. Actually wait where the fuck did random lynch proposal come from -> null or scum Yeah I know people said ve was playing cautiously because of his role but fuck that he's ve, he doesn't do that shit. On August 05 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, everyone STOP. This lynch on WBG is not happening. Having PMed with him, I'm NOT of the opinion that he's scum and I think we should focus on other, actually scummy candidates. You guys are WIFOMing this lynch to shit. I fully support a talis lynch upon rereading. He literally asked for a NAMECLAIM from everyone guys. LITERALLY. ##Vote: talismania I think Bugs is town. I don't want to lynch him. slOosh, you in particular I want to hear more reasoning from. Your only gripe with him seems to be his read on prplhz - so...because you disagree with his read he's scum? Really? I don't like a grush lynch today either - it feels like a copout. But I totally can see a town Bugs wanting to lynch grush today. Grush was a key factor in the scum victory in LVI, for the same shit he's exhibiting now. However, I agree that we should give our vigs a chance to take care of him. We should be aiming for people we specifically think are scum, and for me that's not wherebugsgo. This is pretty terrible play, VE. You just assert that your PMs with wbg make you think he's town. That shouldn't be enough to move a lynch off of someone without proof, you need to back that up. On the other hand, I think talismania looks scummy, so ve gets benefit of the doubt for now. Yeah still think WBG is the best course of action. However I'd like to think thigns through. Something went wrong yesterday and I don't know what, yet. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On August 05 2012 23:28 CountDropula wrote: Yes, it absolutely does not make any sense from a town point of view to do that. And still, we don't even know who you are suspicious of. TBH, the only reason I'm not convinced you are scum is the fact that you scum team should've told you to stop this nonesense a long time ago. Not a smurf, I'm new. Changing votes like that was a mistake. Honestly i was too hasty, and that's it. Made a mistake, but is it really that suspicious? | ||
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Synystyr
United States1446 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
I heard somewhere that those who post many "scum reads" at once are most likely scum because they are creating ground for several targets. Are you scum? | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
Just a reminder ~9 hours till night post, make sure I am copied on any night actions | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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