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On August 03 2012 11:37 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm town.
for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. lets start this game right ## VOTE: WBG
On August 03 2012 11:41 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 11:39 JingleHell wrote:On August 03 2012 11:37 Erandorr wrote:On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm town.
for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. lets start this game right ## VOTE: WBG We don't even have much discussion yet, but you still ignored it. Why? I am just used to wbg being dead all the time in dota and dont wanna adjust
You seemed pretty set on starting a shitstorm in the beggining. I dont believe you masoned WBG to help the town figure out if he was scum, because you PM'ed after the vote. Which means you masoning had no town intent whatsoever.
WBGs desicion to out masons doesnt make sense from scum POV, because Mafia can commuinicate out of thread. Worst case scenario he undermined town consensus.
Prphlz's three points had merit. Glasses first post was strange even for TL's standards, second post is noncommital, and the third sounded more like a doubt plant. Other than that prphlz's was AFK, so I wasn't going to get behind a lynch where the canidate cant defend himself.
What more should I say?
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On August 05 2012 10:38 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote:
Ok so
1) Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him.
Silly talismania, directing medics at night? Town aligned players aren't supposed to play like very inexperienced mafia players. Fix your wording quickly before anybody sees.
No. Protect sloosh, end of story.
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On August 05 2012 10:53 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 10:38 Hier wrote:On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote:
Ok so
1) Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him.
Silly talismania, directing medics at night? Town aligned players aren't supposed to play like very inexperienced mafia players. Fix your wording quickly before anybody sees. No. Protect sloosh, end of story.
Solid reasoning. I'm sold.
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On August 05 2012 10:07 rastaban wrote:Don Draper was pondering who he might pick as his next secretary when the door burst open. The employees had had enough of him looking down on them. They shoved him out the window and he began to fall... Prplhz the vanilla townie was forcefully fired. + Show Spoiler +
You are Don Draper. Former womanizer, and still a man living someone elses life. You are one of the partners of Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce as well as its head of creative. It is your job to pump out your ideas and make money with them. You have your team of grunts to help with this process as well as your wife Megan at home. Between balancing your job and keeping your wife happy, you now have to deal with various forces trying to tear the company away from you. With Lucky Strikes leaving the company all the wolves have come out to play. You win by eliminating all threats to your business.
Updated the post with the role PM, also make sure I am copied on all night actions please.
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On August 05 2012 10:59 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 10:53 talismania wrote:On August 05 2012 10:38 Hier wrote:On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote:
Ok so
1) Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him.
Silly talismania, directing medics at night? Town aligned players aren't supposed to play like very inexperienced mafia players. Fix your wording quickly before anybody sees. No. Protect sloosh, end of story. Solid reasoning. I'm sold.
Deliberately needling? You very well know I posted the reasoning before. What are your thoughts on my alignment?
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On August 05 2012 10:41 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 11:37 Erandorr wrote:On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm town.
for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. lets start this game right ## VOTE: WBG Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 11:41 Erandorr wrote:On August 03 2012 11:39 JingleHell wrote:On August 03 2012 11:37 Erandorr wrote:On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm town.
for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. lets start this game right ## VOTE: WBG We don't even have much discussion yet, but you still ignored it. Why? I am just used to wbg being dead all the time in dota and dont wanna adjust You seemed pretty set on starting a shitstorm in the beggining. I dont believe you masoned WBG to help the town figure out if he was scum, because you PM'ed after the vote. Which means you masoning had no town intent whatsoever. WBGs desicion to out masons doesnt make sense from scum POV, because Mafia can commuinicate out of thread. Worst case scenario he undermined town consensus. Prphlz's three points had merit. Glasses first post was strange even for TL's standards, second post is noncommital, and the third sounded more like a doubt plant. Other than that prphlz's was AFK, so I wasn't going to get behind a lynch where the canidate cant defend himself. What more should I say?
Yes. We play dota together. What may that mean. That we actually talk to each other outside of the game. We had no personal problems at all before and played like 5 games in a row together a week ago. We won all of them bar one so there was no frustration. So what could that mean ? THAT THAT WAS FRIENDLY BANTER AT THAT POINT? Why yes, I do believe so.
.So thats completely wrong and bad.
WBGs desicion to out masons doesnt make sense from scum POV, because Mafia can commuinicate out of thread. Worst case scenario he undermined town consensus.
I was staring at this, trying to understand what you are saying. Do you, by this, mean that he can tell his scumbuddies who the masons are and doesn't have to do it in the thread? And thats your entire explanation of the situation?
Explain please how "Prplhz's three points had merit" if you would not mind.
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I'll start defending myself once i have the majority of votes on me, i don't care if people are still suspicious about me, because for now i dont have to worry about town wasting a lynch since nobody is 100% confirmed.
This is a quote from Glasse's last game, when he was innocent.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 03 2012 23:21 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:On August 03 2012 12:13 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 12:08 talismania wrote:On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm town.
for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. oh man I hope bc didn't link role names and actual roles. kinda bet he did though That could be kinda unfair for those like me who has no clue about mad men. I have no clue who the fuck roger sterling is and what it could imply. So the time was changed to 9pm, so i guess it's day until saturday at 9pm? Useless post. Talks about flavor and deadline. Seems like a token first post that townies wouldn't really care to make. So wondering if the characters had anything to do with roles is incriminating? I don't get it. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:On August 03 2012 22:27 Glasse wrote:
If the mason role is as important as some people are saying, calling them out only exposes them to mafia no? Non committal post. Asks if your opinions are okay. Scum are focused on how they appear while townies think things through and just say how they feel. Nothing to say here. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:On August 03 2012 22:29 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 22:16 Zephirdd wrote:
Erandorr, why masoning someone who just outted his mason? wherebugsgo might be full of shit, who knows? Spreading doubt and undermining wherebugsgo. I'm just saying how I feel about the whole mason thing going on. Of course I'm gonna spread doubt when I doubt his intentions. I want to know wtf hes up to and others might see the same thing and might be able to figure it out. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:
Now tell me how and why you are town if you're really as town as town can be. Who is scum? I can't really tell you, I haven't even done anything yet so anything I would say would be completely useless. Can't claim anything other than being green. So you will have to take my word for it. Who is scum? No clue, I don't like this wherebugsgo guy though.
But this game, Glasse defends himself once one person voted for him.
The problem is that the game is from a year and a half ago, but it's the only thing I can compare his current play to.
This alone isn't much, but that coupled with his really weird filter makes him likely to be scum.
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On August 05 2012 11:17 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +I'll start defending myself once i have the majority of votes on me, i don't care if people are still suspicious about me, because for now i dont have to worry about town wasting a lynch since nobody is 100% confirmed. This is a quote from Glasse's last game, when he was innocent. + Show Spoiler +On August 03 2012 23:21 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:On August 03 2012 12:13 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 12:08 talismania wrote:On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm town.
for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. oh man I hope bc didn't link role names and actual roles. kinda bet he did though That could be kinda unfair for those like me who has no clue about mad men. I have no clue who the fuck roger sterling is and what it could imply. So the time was changed to 9pm, so i guess it's day until saturday at 9pm? Useless post. Talks about flavor and deadline. Seems like a token first post that townies wouldn't really care to make. So wondering if the characters had anything to do with roles is incriminating? I don't get it. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:On August 03 2012 22:27 Glasse wrote:
If the mason role is as important as some people are saying, calling them out only exposes them to mafia no? Non committal post. Asks if your opinions are okay. Scum are focused on how they appear while townies think things through and just say how they feel. Nothing to say here. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:On August 03 2012 22:29 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 22:16 Zephirdd wrote:
Erandorr, why masoning someone who just outted his mason? wherebugsgo might be full of shit, who knows? Spreading doubt and undermining wherebugsgo. I'm just saying how I feel about the whole mason thing going on. Of course I'm gonna spread doubt when I doubt his intentions. I want to know wtf hes up to and others might see the same thing and might be able to figure it out. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:
Now tell me how and why you are town if you're really as town as town can be. Who is scum? I can't really tell you, I haven't even done anything yet so anything I would say would be completely useless. Can't claim anything other than being green. So you will have to take my word for it. Who is scum? No clue, I don't like this wherebugsgo guy though. But this game, Glasse defends himself once one person voted for him.
The problem is that the game is from a year and a half ago, but it's the only thing I can compare his current play to. This alone isn't much, but that coupled with his really weird filter makes him likely to be scum.
I like to change my playstyle from game to game so people can't go meta on me.
This doesn't make me more likely to be scum. Since you appear to be looking at my tl mafia history you can confirm what I just said if you want to. I don't think I've played many mafia games on here though, maybe like 3 or 4.
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Glasse post a read on someone other than wbg.
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On August 05 2012 11:25 talismania wrote:
Glasse post a read on someone other than wbg.
Can you pick for me? I cant decide.
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Reiterating what I've said before:
1) Glasses first post was strange even for TL's standards
2) second post is noncommital
3) third sounded more like a doubt plant. Other than that prphlz's was AFK, so I wasn't going to get behind a lynch where the canidate cant defend himself.
I agree fine if you have a different opinion on the matter. WBGs mason claim needs at most one explanation, and the PM correspondence makes sense from what I know about WBG. You still haven't given me a straight answer to why as town you needed to double mason WBG.
Funny you try to get on me for not looking at facts with a response like this:
On August 04 2012 08:23 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 08:16 Hier wrote:I am so impressed, Erandorr, you are so elaborate. Nobody even remotely suspects you of being mafia. You painted yourself to be a very big opponent of mason claims. + Show Spoiler [As seen here] +On August 03 2012 12:26 Erandorr wrote:YO talismania : wtf Show nested quote +Mason is kind of worthless for town and at face value is little different than a vanilla townie.
--A normal pair of masons have the benefit of knowing that one person is definitively town, and being able to claim that later. There is no such guarantee in this game. It's just like posting in the thread with someone except without anyone else seeing it, plus they're going to be extra suspicious of you. Of course you can glean a lot of information just by talking as well, which is a plus regardless. So lets see. Townie masons are kind of bad because all you can do is privatly talk to someone to get information and a feeling of not some random player, but someone you want to talk to more? Also explain the bolded part please. Why are you focused on how a town mason is looking trying to get information? Show nested quote +2) Mason is kind of a worthless role for scum.
--A scum mason is an annoying role to play. Do you pick townies, a scumbuddy, etc. What do you say to whom you buddy, each day? Seems fraught. Are you serious? Can you really think of no reason how a scum mason could be useful? Show nested quote +3) One interesting point is that if there is a town mason, there's likely a scum mason. Given the setup description, I find it hard to believe in fact that this would not be the case. This makes the role doubly poisonous/useless for scum. As it stands now, there are 5 scum and 19 townies (25%). If all the masons claim, and scum claims with them, I'm betting it's closer to 50/50 ratio. Maybe 2 town, 2 scum. That's shit for scum, so they won't want to claim. Except that they might think if they don't claim those that do are going to get too much town cred and yadda yadda.
Yeah those kind of speculations always work out and are totally valid and never before produced complete retard lynches! Show nested quote +4) So why not have them claim? Sounds fine to me but I don't think it's necessary either.
Okay. So would I be correct in saying that you think the mason role is so shitty that having it claimed wouldn't really help anyways, so why bother? If I misunderstood feel free to elaborate. Show nested quote +5) If you are masoned for the day - you MUST claim. There is no reason not to claim that. And save your logs and communications, because that shit needs to end up in the thread eventually.
Why? I can think of reasons not to claim that, actually. And just because you can do something doesn't really mean you should , right? But mafia either already knows who the masons are by receiving PMs, or sleep soundly at night knowing the masons are bickering among the townies in private, accusing each other of being scum behind each others' backs. Along comes WBG and gives away VE, to which you replied: On August 03 2012 20:54 Erandorr wrote:
any reason why you would out VE as mason this early? I mean thats kind of retarded. WBG confirms his stance on revealing masons, and has already done so in practice with an attitude that would assure anyone that he would easily do it again. + Show Spoiler [Here] +On August 03 2012 21:10 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 20:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
Pot calling the kettle black...
Let me break this down into simpler terms for you (and I thought that wasn't possible!)
1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless)
2. The playerbase of this game will not understand stuff unless it's obviously stated.
3. If we are both town then mafia will strongly consider shooting one of us. Which means that we will make good protects. Which means that it potentially forces mafia to shoot suboptimally. Sorry wbg, I am just too retarded to understand you. Within the same hour you mason WBG and get your role revealed. This warrants WBG's reveal of your role being anti-town; your role specifically, revealing VE was just "retarded", not necessarily anti-town. If you had filed your mason request before WBG revealed VE, he would have revealed both of you at the same time. BC was online at the time, as per his voting thread announcement, allowing for all of this to happen in rapid succession. You have abused WBG's rash decision making to your advantage, which I commend. + Show Spoiler [Time of BC's post] +On August 03 2012 21:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Please move all voting into the voting thread I just created Here
Thank you Erandorr's reasonings: + Show Spoiler [Here] +On August 03 2012 23:53 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:51 strongandbig wrote:On August 03 2012 21:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Erandorr just masoned me. Dunno if he's scum or just dumb though.
Also I didn't ask either of them before outting them. errandorr I was kind of hoping you would address this without being prompted but... I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please. On August 04 2012 01:37 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 01:31 talismania wrote:On August 04 2012 00:39 talismania wrote:On August 03 2012 23:53 Erandorr wrote:On August 03 2012 23:51 strongandbig wrote:On August 03 2012 21:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Erandorr just masoned me. Dunno if he's scum or just dumb though.
Also I didn't ask either of them before outting them. errandorr I was kind of hoping you would address this without being prompted but... I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please. can you walk me through your thought process a little more? It seemed like you were against masons being in public given your agreement with toad. So why did you risk outing yourself? Its a completely anti town move to out people like that without thoughts on alignment or actually any information. They may have been context with VE, but I thought of it as trading my role for confirming wbg as scum. it is that easy. On August 04 2012 01:40 Erandorr wrote:
EBWOP: at that point I wasnt actually certain that wbg was scum at all.
Something else I would like to point out that fucks over wbgs shitty logic even more, he pretended to give reasons on why he outed VE. Now what exactly were his reasons to out me , assuming he is town? He seems to think that I am town, so why do that to me?
Suddenly you become the victim of something you, apparently, could not forsee, making you look town. You try to convince people that WBG's move was anti-town, while the move against VE "may have been context", or was just "retarded", but not anti-town yet. It doesn't even matter whether WBG is town or mafia! He could be scum, and you may have asked him to rat you out without you even being a mason. I don't know. But you, Erandorr, I am very impressed with. That was clever. I will strive to be like you in the future. Dear god I hope you are trolling
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On August 05 2012 11:32 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 11:25 talismania wrote:
Glasse post a read on someone other than wbg. Can you pick for me? I cant decide.
How about toad?
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On August 05 2012 11:38 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 11:32 Glasse wrote:On August 05 2012 11:25 talismania wrote:
Glasse post a read on someone other than wbg. Can you pick for me? I cant decide. How about toad?
Alright, I'll do my best.
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On August 05 2012 03:16 CountDropula wrote:
I really think the most important issue for us right now is getting people active. Were giving mafia too much space to hide.
Nevertheless, I'm voting wbg right now though that can change.
For sure watching zeph though, but I need a better case.
When you get back can you shed some light on your WBG vote? Up to this post you had only mentioned Zephirdd. Funny post considering you (and I) were basically inactive up to that point.
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You might also ask him to shed light on his vote for me, whom he never mentioned in the thread.
And his vote on prp, which followed with no comment.
The answer is likely that he's mason'd with someone, my bet is sloosh based on his vote patterns and vote timings.
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On August 05 2012 12:15 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 03:16 CountDropula wrote:
I really think the most important issue for us right now is getting people active. Were giving mafia too much space to hide.
Nevertheless, I'm voting wbg right now though that can change.
For sure watching zeph though, but I need a better case. When you get back can you shed some light on your WBG vote? Up to this post you had only mentioned Zephirdd. Funny post considering you (and I) were basically inactive up to that point.
I felt my votes on Talismania and wbg were too based on cherry picking and jumping the gun. The reason I didn't vote for zephirdd even though I had only mentioned him is that I'd like to back up my suspicions of him more thoroughly. Did not mason. Hope that helps.
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Are you a smurf or just new?
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On August 03 2012 03:02 Synystyr wrote:
Yay it's started! GL HF to everyone, I'm really excited about this ^_^
I know we all told you before the game that if you don't post a lot we'll lynch you. You are doing that classic thing where you're "really excited" and then proceed to make two more posts for the entire day phase. What's up?
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On August 03 2012 19:43 Toadesstern wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 03 2012 19:25 prplhz wrote:
@Toadesstern Could you explain that post? First you write random letters in red and then you ask me "if you had to make different groups" which I don't understand at all. I don't put people in "vet" groups, there are people who have established meta behavioral patterns and who should be watched closely (or not watched closely) if they deviate, but there isn't any player in this game who has a reputation for single handedly ruining scum teams on a regular basis. Yeah when I posted that I read the thread the first time and colored names the way I thought about them when reading through. Actually if VE were to be someone else than VE his name would completly red and nt just semi red because VE does some STRANGE things from time to time. Anyways, copy & paste here I come: + Show Spoiler [VE] +(Pregame!): clicky! I'm joking around, he picks up the joke, Marv does so as well but VE isn't getting that Marv's just joking around when it was preeeetty obvious. Seems like he's nervous to me? Or was that some kind of anti-joke I'm not getting?  Clicky! Looks kind of try-hard to me. Obviously Zeph is fooling around or at least (if he's mafia) trying to make it look like he's carelessly fooling around. I doubt this honestly was an attempt to get a random lynch. It would be fine if VE pointed that out but the 2nd paragraph is weird. Why does he have to rub that in everyone's faces? "LOOK GUYS I DON'T WANT TO RND-LYNCH BECAUSE THAT's BAD". No shit sherlock. Yet he feels the urge to tell everyone about that. Looks to me like someone desperatly trying to get townie-points. But this is VE, he does weird shit every time so idk... Clicky! Big shiny text about how masons should claim. I totally disagree with him. It was a desaster in L. We lost a complete cycle, got no advantage, everyone eneded up being paranoid because obviously one group (pro-claim or anti-claim) had to be mentally retarded or scum to be stupid enough to not agree with ones self conclusion according to everyone in the game. Clicky! The big thing, with multiple [big]'s and in his most recent post was "MASON CLAIMS". Not "MASONS CLAIM MAYBE?" or something else, it was Mason claims. Now he proceeds to tell people he doesn't think it's a good idea for masons to claim and only wanted to talk about the idea? The fuck?Talis on the other hand is a guy who usually ends up posting what he thinks about the game d1 in an honest way, no matter of alignment. Remember PYP? Talis was the guy who told people to encrypt their shit. He's the kind of guy that thinks about the set-up ahead of time and then proceeds to post his thoughts about it no matter of alignment. I think he genuinely believes in what he posted, but what he posted is incredible stupid. So he either didn't think this trough or he thinks it's best to change his "conclusion" in some kind of way. What he posted makes little to no sense to me and that feels off because as mentioned I'm pretty sure he usually means what he posts d1 no matter of alignment. [b]Still making notes about everything and I'm at talis's post right now, so that's why I had to improvise something right now :p
Re-reading the thread while I have the thread to myself at night and noticed this. I actually think the whole post is pretty townish but do you mind posting these notes (assuming you take them on your computer)? At least up to that point in the game, if you don't want to reveal later notes that give away your mason friends or whatnot.
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On August 04 2012 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because I'd rather hunt for scum than defend myself, so I masoned a veteran in as a shortcut to establishing my innocence with him if he's town so he can smack down anyone (Toad) who thinks I'm scum for stupid-ass reasons.
Also if he's scum, I wanted a private line with him in case he felt like telling me all about it in PMs. So far he hasn't. :/
Him instantly outting me wasn't something I'd considered. I figured he'd talk to me about it first. I have a long way to go in understanding Bugs' play.
Want to follow up on this more...
this was really your thought process in picking bugs? I want to get someone to protect me? you say that you'd "rather hunt for scum" yet I don't see any scumhunting from you after this.
Furthermore,
1) your logs with wbg please. (PMs too)
2) why are you playing tighter and less actively? I'm used to reading games of you as a fast-paced loose townie. This feels different -- restrained.
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