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On August 06 2012 03:11 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 03:08 Toadesstern wrote:On August 06 2012 03:04 talismania wrote:
Toad Still would like to see those game notes of yours just to confirm that you were taking them
Hassybaby That goes for you too. Let's see your game notes :3 I think I already posted enough information so far. Some of my notes are already in the thread. Read the initial post I did about VE? Those lines in the spoiler where directly copy & pasted. Read the log between Eran and myself? When I explained why I consider him to be town, that's directly from my notes. So there's stuff in the rest of your notes that you don't want seen yet? Why? (Genuine question I can think of legitimate reasons) If you're just worried about clutter there's always spoiler tags.
It's not only mafia reads but townreads as well.
If I post them I'm giving mafia the recipe/key for how to make me think someone is town. I don't like that.
If I post them I'm telling people I've got down as weak reads what they have to look out for. If they're mafia I don't like that either.
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On August 06 2012 03:09 talismania wrote:
Ok thanks VE but can you expand on your thought process for picking bugs? Like you really wanted to make a friend to defend you so that you could focus on scumhunting? That was your motivation?
No, my reasoning was to establish my innocence with Bugs FIRST, before anyone else. Not so he could defend me, but so he wouldn't suspect me.
One of my strengths as a townie is my ability to establish my innocence...however I'm not a townie in this game, I'm a mason. And as a mason, by default my attention is going to be split between interacting with the thread and interacting with my PM box. Therefor, my activity in-thread is bound to suffer and the person I thought would be most likely to suspect me for that was Bugs. If Bugs doesn't suspect me, then he can focus on finding real scum - which as many of you know, if he's town, is going to be extraordinarily powerful. If he's scum then he's either going to ignore me or try and manipulate me...in which case, I get information regardless. And because I've played quite a few games with Bugs, I'm more confident in reading him than I am most...so there's that too.
There were several factors in play talis. Mason is a strong role, but only if played properly.........and not outted rashly. -.-
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Ok cool toad.
VE still waiting to hear you explain on your reasons for picking WBG:
On August 06 2012 03:09 talismania wrote:
Ok thanks VE but can you expand on your thought process for picking bugs? Like you really wanted to make a friend to defend you so that you could focus on scumhunting? That was your motivation?
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Yeah, I'll post them before dawn, when I post my other thoughts, so that scum can't coordinate their actions around the information contained therein.
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Hmm kind of agree with strongandbig on biosc.
Biosc all I see in your filter is reactive posts. What are you reads?
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On August 05 2012 21:00 XsebT wrote:
I agree that countdropula's voting pattern and reasoning during d1 is pointing towards scum. He is all over the place with his accusations. Lazermonkey's analysis points this out quite well.
Talismania, I was too inactive during d1, so a "default scum" accusation is probably in its place. If you keep having concerns, just ask me more direct questions. I'm not quite able to keep up with you guys when it comes to posting. I will be brief and to the point when posting.
That said, I don't know why you would throw out so many scum accusations so early on, while already in the spotlight with wbg from d1. You should fear for your own survival in this game. If you're town, I consider the accusations a bad move.
Direct question then:
Who do you think is scum and why?
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Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 09:11 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I have a problem with the top two lynch candidates.
WBG: calling out the mason was a good move in my book. But it doesn't make shit sense from the scum POV, scum can kill him regardless of whether or not the town knows the mason. His feud with Eran seems to be long standing and I could believe bugs could get frustrated and rage.
prplphz: Although his play has been poor I agree with his initial case against Glasse. Glasse's play was poor and lynch worthy at the time. Furthermore this lynch seems too much like a wagon on an inactive.
I feel much more comfortable lynching Eran. Seems like he could be mason scum manipulating bugs, looking to create trouble. He said himself he wanted to create a scumhunting environment, yet he helps initiate a shitstorm in a mason PM. This post is also super scummy. He throws doubt on the two main lynch candidates, but his alternative is... Erandorr? If he wanted an actual switch it was going to take way more than that. This reads more to me like scum not wanting to be on a town lynch of prplhz or wbg if he's town, and not wanting to lynch his buddy if wbg is scum.
I start reading the thread about 3 hours before the vote, when the was basically 4 people active. Im not expecting a flood of people to switch last minute -_-. The post was made more to explain why I didn't like the two lynch canidates.
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EBWOP: It was be strongandbig
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strongandbig and VE what do you think of the other?
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On August 06 2012 04:06 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 09:11 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I have a problem with the top two lynch candidates.
WBG: calling out the mason was a good move in my book. But it doesn't make shit sense from the scum POV, scum can kill him regardless of whether or not the town knows the mason. His feud with Eran seems to be long standing and I could believe bugs could get frustrated and rage.
prplphz: Although his play has been poor I agree with his initial case against Glasse. Glasse's play was poor and lynch worthy at the time. Furthermore this lynch seems too much like a wagon on an inactive.
I feel much more comfortable lynching Eran. Seems like he could be mason scum manipulating bugs, looking to create trouble. He said himself he wanted to create a scumhunting environment, yet he helps initiate a shitstorm in a mason PM. This post is also super scummy. He throws doubt on the two main lynch candidates, but his alternative is... Erandorr? If he wanted an actual switch it was going to take way more than that. This reads more to me like scum not wanting to be on a town lynch of prplhz or wbg if he's town, and not wanting to lynch his buddy if wbg is scum. I start reading the thread about 3 hours before the vote, when the was basically 4 people active. Im not expecting a flood of people to switch last minute -_-. The post was made more to explain why I didn't like the two lynch canidates.
Is Erandorr still your only scumread?
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On August 06 2012 03:41 talismania wrote:
Hmm kind of agree with strongandbig on biosc.
Biosc all I see in your filter is reactive posts. What are you reads?
There are a few reads in my filter, one in particular that was wrong (prplhz)
I have my thoughts, would you care to be more specific?
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uh the only other read I see in your filter is about grush. Do you still think he is scum? Do you think anyone else is scum? How do you respond to what strongandbig said?
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Could you do me a favor and do something yourself talis? I get that you like asking questions but that's not all there is to mafia. Just take a look at your filter:
On August 06 2012 04:12 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 04:06 BroodKingEXE wrote:On August 05 2012 09:11 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I have a problem with the top two lynch candidates.
WBG: calling out the mason was a good move in my book. But it doesn't make shit sense from the scum POV, scum can kill him regardless of whether or not the town knows the mason. His feud with Eran seems to be long standing and I could believe bugs could get frustrated and rage.
prplphz: Although his play has been poor I agree with his initial case against Glasse. Glasse's play was poor and lynch worthy at the time. Furthermore this lynch seems too much like a wagon on an inactive.
I feel much more comfortable lynching Eran. Seems like he could be mason scum manipulating bugs, looking to create trouble. He said himself he wanted to create a scumhunting environment, yet he helps initiate a shitstorm in a mason PM. This post is also super scummy. He throws doubt on the two main lynch candidates, but his alternative is... Erandorr? If he wanted an actual switch it was going to take way more than that. This reads more to me like scum not wanting to be on a town lynch of prplhz or wbg if he's town, and not wanting to lynch his buddy if wbg is scum. I start reading the thread about 3 hours before the vote, when the was basically 4 people active. Im not expecting a flood of people to switch last minute -_-. The post was made more to explain why I didn't like the two lynch canidates. Is Erandorr still your only scumread? On August 06 2012 04:11 talismania wrote:
strongandbig and VE what do you think of the other? On August 06 2012 03:45 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 21:00 XsebT wrote:
I agree that countdropula's voting pattern and reasoning during d1 is pointing towards scum. He is all over the place with his accusations. Lazermonkey's analysis points this out quite well.
Talismania, I was too inactive during d1, so a "default scum" accusation is probably in its place. If you keep having concerns, just ask me more direct questions. I'm not quite able to keep up with you guys when it comes to posting. I will be brief and to the point when posting.
That said, I don't know why you would throw out so many scum accusations so early on, while already in the spotlight with wbg from d1. You should fear for your own survival in this game. If you're town, I consider the accusations a bad move. Direct question then: Who do you think is scum and why? On August 06 2012 03:41 talismania wrote:
Hmm kind of agree with strongandbig on biosc.
Biosc all I see in your filter is reactive posts. What are you reads? On August 06 2012 03:16 talismania wrote:Ok cool toad. VE still waiting to hear you explain on your reasons for picking WBG: Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 03:09 talismania wrote:
Ok thanks VE but can you expand on your thought process for picking bugs? Like you really wanted to make a friend to defend you so that you could focus on scumhunting? That was your motivation? On August 06 2012 03:11 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 03:08 Toadesstern wrote:On August 06 2012 03:04 talismania wrote:
Toad Still would like to see those game notes of yours just to confirm that you were taking them
Hassybaby That goes for you too. Let's see your game notes :3 I think I already posted enough information so far. Some of my notes are already in the thread. Read the initial post I did about VE? Those lines in the spoiler where directly copy & pasted. Read the log between Eran and myself? When I explained why I consider him to be town, that's directly from my notes. So there's stuff in the rest of your notes that you don't want seen yet? Why? (Genuine question I can think of legitimate reasons) If you're just worried about clutter there's always spoiler tags. On August 06 2012 03:09 talismania wrote:
Ok thanks VE but can you expand on your thought process for picking bugs? Like you really wanted to make a friend to defend you so that you could focus on scumhunting? That was your motivation? On August 06 2012 03:04 talismania wrote:
Toad Still would like to see those game notes of yours just to confirm that you were taking them
Hassybaby That goes for you too. Let's see your game notes :3 On August 06 2012 03:02 talismania wrote:VisceraEyesRespond to this please: Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 17:16 talismania wrote:On August 04 2012 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because I'd rather hunt for scum than defend myself, so I masoned a veteran in as a shortcut to establishing my innocence with him if he's town so he can smack down anyone (Toad) who thinks I'm scum for stupid-ass reasons.
Also if he's scum, I wanted a private line with him in case he felt like telling me all about it in PMs. So far he hasn't. :/
Him instantly outting me wasn't something I'd considered. I figured he'd talk to me about it first. I have a long way to go in understanding Bugs' play. Want to follow up on this more... this was really your thought process in picking bugs? I want to get someone to protect me? you say that you'd "rather hunt for scum" yet I don't see any scumhunting from you after this. Furthermore, 1) your logs with wbg please. (PMs too) 2) why are you playing tighter and less actively? I'm used to reading games of you as a fast-paced loose townie. This feels different -- restrained.
You ask all these questions/requests, yet there's nothing you come up with. What are the answers for if you're not using them to analyze people?
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My questions are never designed to directly lead to scum. I will use the information they generate but it's not going to happen right away.
Motives for my questions:
1) I notice something strange/scummy that I want to track down
2) I want people that I think might both be scum to talk about each other
3) I want inactive people to get more active
4) I want people to post more and more reads
There's never a plan. It's just turn over as many rocks as possible and see what I find.
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Strongandbig:
So since I tried to get votes off of prplhz, who turned out to be town, you suspect me of being mafia. I totally don’t see where you’re coming from. Sounds like you wanted to write something about me without exuding too much effort.
Talismania:
Honestly, I don’t know your alignment. But some interesting points that will have me pondering over are the following.
1) You ask two people, directly, what their opinions are of various players (including each other!) 2 hours after the game starts and before you even offer any reads yourself.
+ Show Spoiler [Erandorr] +On August 04 2012 00:06 talismania wrote:
Erandorr what do you think of Glasse?
(again)
also, what do you think of toad and VE?
+ Show Spoiler [Toadesstern] +On August 04 2012 00:08 talismania wrote:
yo toad what you make of erandorr, glasse, VE, wbg?
2) Then you dump this on us:
On August 04 2012 04:37 talismania wrote:
yep zeph is scummy for exactly why sloosh says. erandorr I thought was for a bit but I don't understand masoning wbg from a scum pov. jinglehell is town, lazer is town, strongandbig is town. toad I thought was scum at first because of the timing of his patented color text post but he's just been being generally rather toady, which is to say he makes really strange (from my perspective) conclusions about what's good in the setup and what's not with strange (again from my perspective) reasoning behind it. Glasse I thought was hilariously obviously scummy. Like so blatant I honestly don't know what to think. Guess I should go dig up another game of his.
So you blindly agree with Sloosh without any afterword, and you label Jinglebell, Lazer, and SnB town aligned without any explanation whatsoever. Looks more like filler.
3) You go fishing for roles and alignments.
On August 04 2012 05:13 talismania wrote:
ps can people post their character names? I just want to satisfy my curiosity to find out who is in the game - I know that they don't mean anything since I'm VT with Henry Francis. Although I will LOL if scum has Ted Chaugh and Putnam, Powell, Lowe etc. And if WBG is veteran since Roger comes back from a heart attack in the first season.
4) Keep tunnelling.
+ Show Spoiler [Constant questions without much else] +On August 04 2012 07:13 talismania wrote:
zeph and toad, thoughts on the other? On August 05 2012 04:46 talismania wrote:
Toad what do you think about glasse's and dropula's votes?
Completely cool with you? On August 06 2012 04:11 talismania wrote:
strongandbig and VE what do you think of the other? On August 06 2012 04:20 talismania wrote:
uh the only other read I see in your filter is about grush. Do you still think he is scum? Do you think anyone else is scum? How do you respond to what strongandbig said?
5) Finally you are just assuming Sloosh is town and order medics to protect him.
On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote:
Ok so
1) Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him.
I’m not completely confident on your alignment, none of this is conclusive for me, but come on; you need to sell your town play better.
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On August 06 2012 04:11 talismania wrote:
strongandbig and VE what do you think of the other?
I like answering questions like this! It's super easy and gets me free townie points!
no but actually
I think it's unlikely that VE is scum and wbg is town. It seems unlikely they would do a big gambit like this and have it explode in their face.
It looked like VE actually cared about the lynch / was acting to protect his townread, even if i think his read is wrong, defening your town reads is still kind of a town trait.
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On August 06 2012 04:56 Hier wrote:Strongandbig:So since I tried to get votes off of prplhz, who turned out to be town, you suspect me of being mafia. I totally don’t see where you’re coming from. Sounds like you wanted to write something about me without exuding too much effort. Talismania:Honestly, I don’t know your alignment. But some interesting points that will have me pondering over are the following. 1) You ask two people, directly, what their opinions are of various players (including each other!) 2 hours after the game starts and before you even offer any reads yourself. + Show Spoiler [Erandorr] +On August 04 2012 00:06 talismania wrote:
Erandorr what do you think of Glasse?
(again)
also, what do you think of toad and VE? On August 04 2012 00:08 talismania wrote:
yo toad what you make of erandorr, glasse, VE, wbg? 2) Then you dump this on us: Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 04:37 talismania wrote:
yep zeph is scummy for exactly why sloosh says. erandorr I thought was for a bit but I don't understand masoning wbg from a scum pov. jinglehell is town, lazer is town, strongandbig is town. toad I thought was scum at first because of the timing of his patented color text post but he's just been being generally rather toady, which is to say he makes really strange (from my perspective) conclusions about what's good in the setup and what's not with strange (again from my perspective) reasoning behind it. Glasse I thought was hilariously obviously scummy. Like so blatant I honestly don't know what to think. Guess I should go dig up another game of his. So you blindly agree with Sloosh without any afterword, and you label Jinglebell, Lazer, and SnB town aligned without any explanation whatsoever. Looks more like filler. 3) You go fishing for roles and alignments. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 05:13 talismania wrote:
ps can people post their character names? I just want to satisfy my curiosity to find out who is in the game - I know that they don't mean anything since I'm VT with Henry Francis. Although I will LOL if scum has Ted Chaugh and Putnam, Powell, Lowe etc. And if WBG is veteran since Roger comes back from a heart attack in the first season. 4) Keep tunnelling. + Show Spoiler [Constant questions without much else] +On August 04 2012 07:13 talismania wrote:
zeph and toad, thoughts on the other? On August 05 2012 04:46 talismania wrote:
Toad what do you think about glasse's and dropula's votes?
Completely cool with you? On August 06 2012 04:11 talismania wrote:
strongandbig and VE what do you think of the other? On August 06 2012 04:20 talismania wrote:
uh the only other read I see in your filter is about grush. Do you still think he is scum? Do you think anyone else is scum? How do you respond to what strongandbig said? 5) Finally you are just assuming Sloosh is town and order medics to protect him. Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote:
Ok so
1) Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him.
I’m not completely confident on your alignment, none of this is conclusive for me, but come on; you need to sell your town play better.
Mounting flimsy defenses of townie lynch targets for terrible reasons is something scum does a lot, they can point towards it later and be like "see I was on the right side of that".
It's not just that you tried to defend him, it's that your reasons for doing so were terrible.
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So are you leaning scum on me or ? I see that you're pointing out a bunch of stuff I've done but usually that's in the context of "I think you're scum" not "I don't know what you are but be more like what I think a townie should be like".
In response,
1) I asked erandorr that I think because he came in and started distracting the thread from prp's case on glasse and I was wondering if there was anything to it. I was suspicious of toad as well at that point but I can't remember why I asked that specific question.
2) Well those were my thoughts at the time lol. I've changed my mind on zephirdd, moved from scum to neutral on glasse, and from town to neutral leaning scum on strongandbig. oh and my mind is changed on toad too. the way he played his mason role is really cunning if he's scum. Not out of the question for him but enough to give me pause.
3) Yeah don't make much of the character-fishing. I was half-convinced it would lead somewhere (always looking for shortcuts) but more was chasing the glory of calling the game from people's names. Doesn't seem like that will happen though lol.
4) Well I don't think all my questions are "tunneling" since tunneling is like digging one hole and staying in it. I'm digging lots of holes all over the place. What's wrong with that anyway?
5) Sloosh is a townie boyscout. that's his meta and he's playing to it. He may be scum I guess but I doubt it. He's active and corrals people towards lynches. If he's town, he should be a highpriority target. I also want him protected out of self-interest since if he dies people are going to push my lynch and that's going to be really annoying to deal with.
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On August 06 2012 05:07 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 04:56 Hier wrote:Strongandbig:So since I tried to get votes off of prplhz, who turned out to be town, you suspect me of being mafia. I totally don’t see where you’re coming from. Sounds like you wanted to write something about me without exuding too much effort. Talismania:Honestly, I don’t know your alignment. But some interesting points that will have me pondering over are the following. 1) You ask two people, directly, what their opinions are of various players (including each other!) 2 hours after the game starts and before you even offer any reads yourself. + Show Spoiler [Erandorr] +On August 04 2012 00:06 talismania wrote:
Erandorr what do you think of Glasse?
(again)
also, what do you think of toad and VE? On August 04 2012 00:08 talismania wrote:
yo toad what you make of erandorr, glasse, VE, wbg? 2) Then you dump this on us: On August 04 2012 04:37 talismania wrote:
yep zeph is scummy for exactly why sloosh says. erandorr I thought was for a bit but I don't understand masoning wbg from a scum pov. jinglehell is town, lazer is town, strongandbig is town. toad I thought was scum at first because of the timing of his patented color text post but he's just been being generally rather toady, which is to say he makes really strange (from my perspective) conclusions about what's good in the setup and what's not with strange (again from my perspective) reasoning behind it. Glasse I thought was hilariously obviously scummy. Like so blatant I honestly don't know what to think. Guess I should go dig up another game of his. So you blindly agree with Sloosh without any afterword, and you label Jinglebell, Lazer, and SnB town aligned without any explanation whatsoever. Looks more like filler. 3) You go fishing for roles and alignments. On August 04 2012 05:13 talismania wrote:
ps can people post their character names? I just want to satisfy my curiosity to find out who is in the game - I know that they don't mean anything since I'm VT with Henry Francis. Although I will LOL if scum has Ted Chaugh and Putnam, Powell, Lowe etc. And if WBG is veteran since Roger comes back from a heart attack in the first season. 4) Keep tunnelling. + Show Spoiler [Constant questions without much else] +On August 04 2012 07:13 talismania wrote:
zeph and toad, thoughts on the other? On August 05 2012 04:46 talismania wrote:
Toad what do you think about glasse's and dropula's votes?
Completely cool with you? On August 06 2012 04:11 talismania wrote:
strongandbig and VE what do you think of the other? On August 06 2012 04:20 talismania wrote:
uh the only other read I see in your filter is about grush. Do you still think he is scum? Do you think anyone else is scum? How do you respond to what strongandbig said? 5) Finally you are just assuming Sloosh is town and order medics to protect him. On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote:
Ok so
1) Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him.
I’m not completely confident on your alignment, none of this is conclusive for me, but come on; you need to sell your town play better. Mounting flimsy defenses of townie lynch targets for terrible reasons is something scum does a lot, they can point towards it later and be like "see I was on the right side of that". It's not just that you tried to defend him, it's that your reasons for doing so were terrible.
My reason for not voting for prplhz was that there was little to no case against him. Far from terrible.
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