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I still believe Grush is scum. But for whatever reason, this town is okay with letting him skate by on so little actual content, and I just don't know what to think of that.
I read SnB's "case" on me, and I don't feel like its strong. He calls me scummy because I give a reason to vote for prplhz? Meh. Bottom line, I wanted Grush, couldn't get him, then went with prplhz, someone who I believed was playing scummy.
I would also like to hear more from Dropula. Case on him well summarized by Lazer:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=37#727
So, I guess to summarize, I would like to vote either one of those 2 starting tomorrow.
One other that I'm leaning scummy on is Hassybaby. His reasons for voting WBG doesn't make sense, and has thus disappeared from the game. I would like to hear more from him.
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On August 06 2012 05:12 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 05:07 strongandbig wrote:On August 06 2012 04:56 Hier wrote:Strongandbig:So since I tried to get votes off of prplhz, who turned out to be town, you suspect me of being mafia. I totally don’t see where you’re coming from. Sounds like you wanted to write something about me without exuding too much effort. Talismania:Honestly, I don’t know your alignment. But some interesting points that will have me pondering over are the following. 1) You ask two people, directly, what their opinions are of various players (including each other!) 2 hours after the game starts and before you even offer any reads yourself. + Show Spoiler [Erandorr] +On August 04 2012 00:06 talismania wrote:
Erandorr what do you think of Glasse?
(again)
also, what do you think of toad and VE? On August 04 2012 00:08 talismania wrote:
yo toad what you make of erandorr, glasse, VE, wbg? 2) Then you dump this on us: On August 04 2012 04:37 talismania wrote:
yep zeph is scummy for exactly why sloosh says. erandorr I thought was for a bit but I don't understand masoning wbg from a scum pov. jinglehell is town, lazer is town, strongandbig is town. toad I thought was scum at first because of the timing of his patented color text post but he's just been being generally rather toady, which is to say he makes really strange (from my perspective) conclusions about what's good in the setup and what's not with strange (again from my perspective) reasoning behind it. Glasse I thought was hilariously obviously scummy. Like so blatant I honestly don't know what to think. Guess I should go dig up another game of his. So you blindly agree with Sloosh without any afterword, and you label Jinglebell, Lazer, and SnB town aligned without any explanation whatsoever. Looks more like filler. 3) You go fishing for roles and alignments. On August 04 2012 05:13 talismania wrote:
ps can people post their character names? I just want to satisfy my curiosity to find out who is in the game - I know that they don't mean anything since I'm VT with Henry Francis. Although I will LOL if scum has Ted Chaugh and Putnam, Powell, Lowe etc. And if WBG is veteran since Roger comes back from a heart attack in the first season. 4) Keep tunnelling. + Show Spoiler [Constant questions without much else] +On August 04 2012 07:13 talismania wrote:
zeph and toad, thoughts on the other? On August 05 2012 04:46 talismania wrote:
Toad what do you think about glasse's and dropula's votes?
Completely cool with you? On August 06 2012 04:11 talismania wrote:
strongandbig and VE what do you think of the other? On August 06 2012 04:20 talismania wrote:
uh the only other read I see in your filter is about grush. Do you still think he is scum? Do you think anyone else is scum? How do you respond to what strongandbig said? 5) Finally you are just assuming Sloosh is town and order medics to protect him. On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote:
Ok so
1) Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him.
I’m not completely confident on your alignment, none of this is conclusive for me, but come on; you need to sell your town play better. Mounting flimsy defenses of townie lynch targets for terrible reasons is something scum does a lot, they can point towards it later and be like "see I was on the right side of that". It's not just that you tried to defend him, it's that your reasons for doing so were terrible. My reason for not voting for prplhz was that there was little to no case against him. Far from terrible.
But hey, somehow it turns into a scumread on anyone who was on Erandorr. Even me, when I was interested in him at the beginning of D1. I guess I've got an awesome crystal ball, right?
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On August 06 2012 05:13 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 05:12 Hier wrote:On August 06 2012 05:07 strongandbig wrote:On August 06 2012 04:56 Hier wrote:Strongandbig:So since I tried to get votes off of prplhz, who turned out to be town, you suspect me of being mafia. I totally don’t see where you’re coming from. Sounds like you wanted to write something about me without exuding too much effort. Talismania:Honestly, I don’t know your alignment. But some interesting points that will have me pondering over are the following. 1) You ask two people, directly, what their opinions are of various players (including each other!) 2 hours after the game starts and before you even offer any reads yourself. + Show Spoiler [Erandorr] +On August 04 2012 00:06 talismania wrote:
Erandorr what do you think of Glasse?
(again)
also, what do you think of toad and VE? On August 04 2012 00:08 talismania wrote:
yo toad what you make of erandorr, glasse, VE, wbg? 2) Then you dump this on us: On August 04 2012 04:37 talismania wrote:
yep zeph is scummy for exactly why sloosh says. erandorr I thought was for a bit but I don't understand masoning wbg from a scum pov. jinglehell is town, lazer is town, strongandbig is town. toad I thought was scum at first because of the timing of his patented color text post but he's just been being generally rather toady, which is to say he makes really strange (from my perspective) conclusions about what's good in the setup and what's not with strange (again from my perspective) reasoning behind it. Glasse I thought was hilariously obviously scummy. Like so blatant I honestly don't know what to think. Guess I should go dig up another game of his. So you blindly agree with Sloosh without any afterword, and you label Jinglebell, Lazer, and SnB town aligned without any explanation whatsoever. Looks more like filler. 3) You go fishing for roles and alignments. On August 04 2012 05:13 talismania wrote:
ps can people post their character names? I just want to satisfy my curiosity to find out who is in the game - I know that they don't mean anything since I'm VT with Henry Francis. Although I will LOL if scum has Ted Chaugh and Putnam, Powell, Lowe etc. And if WBG is veteran since Roger comes back from a heart attack in the first season. 4) Keep tunnelling. + Show Spoiler [Constant questions without much else] +On August 04 2012 07:13 talismania wrote:
zeph and toad, thoughts on the other? On August 05 2012 04:46 talismania wrote:
Toad what do you think about glasse's and dropula's votes?
Completely cool with you? On August 06 2012 04:11 talismania wrote:
strongandbig and VE what do you think of the other? On August 06 2012 04:20 talismania wrote:
uh the only other read I see in your filter is about grush. Do you still think he is scum? Do you think anyone else is scum? How do you respond to what strongandbig said? 5) Finally you are just assuming Sloosh is town and order medics to protect him. On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote:
Ok so
1) Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him.
I’m not completely confident on your alignment, none of this is conclusive for me, but come on; you need to sell your town play better. Mounting flimsy defenses of townie lynch targets for terrible reasons is something scum does a lot, they can point towards it later and be like "see I was on the right side of that". It's not just that you tried to defend him, it's that your reasons for doing so were terrible. My reason for not voting for prplhz was that there was little to no case against him. Far from terrible. But hey, somehow it turns into a scumread on anyone who was on Erandorr. Even me, when I was interested in him at the beginning of D1. I guess I've got an awesome crystal ball, right?
What?
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I love how the people who railroaded votes onto prphlz are out for blood from anyone who thought Erandorr was a better read.
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On August 06 2012 05:13 BioSC wrote:I still believe Grush is scum. But for whatever reason, this town is okay with letting him skate by on so little actual content, and I just don't know what to think of that. I read SnB's "case" on me, and I don't feel like its strong. He calls me scummy because I give a reason to vote for prplhz? Meh. Bottom line, I wanted Grush, couldn't get him, then went with prplhz, someone who I believed was playing scummy. I would also like to hear more from Dropula. Case on him well summarized by Lazer: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=37#727So, I guess to summarize, I would like to vote either one of those 2 starting tomorrow. One other that I'm leaning scummy on is Hassybaby. His reasons for voting WBG doesn't make sense, and has thus disappeared from the game. I would like to hear more from him.
hassybaby scum, gogogo vts.
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I've skimmed the thread, will drop some thoughts and flesh them out later tonight when I have more time.
On August 06 2012 04:56 Hier wrote:+ Show Spoiler [giant case on Talis] +Talismania:Honestly, I don’t know your alignment. But some interesting points that will have me pondering over are the following. 1) You ask two people, directly, what their opinions are of various players (including each other!) 2 hours after the game starts and before you even offer any reads yourself. + Show Spoiler [Erandorr] +On August 04 2012 00:06 talismania wrote:
Erandorr what do you think of Glasse?
(again)
also, what do you think of toad and VE? On August 04 2012 00:08 talismania wrote:
yo toad what you make of erandorr, glasse, VE, wbg? 2) Then you dump this on us: On August 04 2012 04:37 talismania wrote:
yep zeph is scummy for exactly why sloosh says. erandorr I thought was for a bit but I don't understand masoning wbg from a scum pov. jinglehell is town, lazer is town, strongandbig is town. toad I thought was scum at first because of the timing of his patented color text post but he's just been being generally rather toady, which is to say he makes really strange (from my perspective) conclusions about what's good in the setup and what's not with strange (again from my perspective) reasoning behind it. Glasse I thought was hilariously obviously scummy. Like so blatant I honestly don't know what to think. Guess I should go dig up another game of his. So you blindly agree with Sloosh without any afterword, and you label Jinglebell, Lazer, and SnB town aligned without any explanation whatsoever. Looks more like filler. 3) You go fishing for roles and alignments. On August 04 2012 05:13 talismania wrote:
ps can people post their character names? I just want to satisfy my curiosity to find out who is in the game - I know that they don't mean anything since I'm VT with Henry Francis. Although I will LOL if scum has Ted Chaugh and Putnam, Powell, Lowe etc. And if WBG is veteran since Roger comes back from a heart attack in the first season. 4) Keep tunnelling. + Show Spoiler [Constant questions without much else] +On August 04 2012 07:13 talismania wrote:
zeph and toad, thoughts on the other? On August 05 2012 04:46 talismania wrote:
Toad what do you think about glasse's and dropula's votes?
Completely cool with you? On August 06 2012 04:11 talismania wrote:
strongandbig and VE what do you think of the other? On August 06 2012 04:20 talismania wrote:
uh the only other read I see in your filter is about grush. Do you still think he is scum? Do you think anyone else is scum? How do you respond to what strongandbig said? 5) Finally you are just assuming Sloosh is town and order medics to protect him. On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote:
Ok so
1) Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him.
I’m not completely confident on your alignment, none of this is conclusive for me, but come on; you need to sell your town play better.
I want to lynch Hier for this post. He prefaces his case by saying he doesn't know talis' alignment, so what's the point of it? He points out 5 different things that he finds scummy / weird and nothing at all that indicates he should think talis is town. He ends by reiterating his hesitation, twice, and then gives talis advice that he should do a better job being town. Exudes uncertainty ("not completely confident") and confidence ("you need to sell your town play better") in the same line. Classic contradiction I'd vig / lynch into.
SnB, I think I was pretty transparent that my ultimate preference is that we consolidate a lynch on either prplhz or talismania over WBG. Both looked scummy, and I was fine lynching both. I didn't find talis vastly or concretely more scummy than prplhz, if that is what you are interpreting from my post.
On that note: Detectives Don't Check Masons
I'm sure you guys are competent enough, but just in case it slips your mind, don't check masons unless you think they are lying about being masons (i.e. 2 scum faking mason interaction).
I will also be rereading talis for spewing out more anti-town advice. Thread direction is very important to note and I'd encourage everyone to keep it in mind as they reread thread.
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On August 06 2012 05:16 JingleHell wrote:
I love how the people who railroaded votes onto prphlz are out for blood from anyone who thought Erandorr was a better read.
Yo can you poke your head out of the erandorr tunnel and give some other scumreads?
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sloosh is back!
disagree about DTs not checking masons. We have four masons. No one else is claiming being masoned so either scum didn't use theirs or they're in the four. What's wrong with DT check? It also guarantees avoiding millers and GFs.
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On August 06 2012 05:27 slOosh wrote:I've skimmed the thread, will drop some thoughts and flesh them out later tonight when I have more time. Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 04:56 Hier wrote:+ Show Spoiler [giant case on Talis] +Talismania:Honestly, I don’t know your alignment. But some interesting points that will have me pondering over are the following. 1) You ask two people, directly, what their opinions are of various players (including each other!) 2 hours after the game starts and before you even offer any reads yourself. + Show Spoiler [Erandorr] +On August 04 2012 00:06 talismania wrote:
Erandorr what do you think of Glasse?
(again)
also, what do you think of toad and VE? On August 04 2012 00:08 talismania wrote:
yo toad what you make of erandorr, glasse, VE, wbg? 2) Then you dump this on us: On August 04 2012 04:37 talismania wrote:
yep zeph is scummy for exactly why sloosh says. erandorr I thought was for a bit but I don't understand masoning wbg from a scum pov. jinglehell is town, lazer is town, strongandbig is town. toad I thought was scum at first because of the timing of his patented color text post but he's just been being generally rather toady, which is to say he makes really strange (from my perspective) conclusions about what's good in the setup and what's not with strange (again from my perspective) reasoning behind it. Glasse I thought was hilariously obviously scummy. Like so blatant I honestly don't know what to think. Guess I should go dig up another game of his. So you blindly agree with Sloosh without any afterword, and you label Jinglebell, Lazer, and SnB town aligned without any explanation whatsoever. Looks more like filler. 3) You go fishing for roles and alignments. On August 04 2012 05:13 talismania wrote:
ps can people post their character names? I just want to satisfy my curiosity to find out who is in the game - I know that they don't mean anything since I'm VT with Henry Francis. Although I will LOL if scum has Ted Chaugh and Putnam, Powell, Lowe etc. And if WBG is veteran since Roger comes back from a heart attack in the first season. 4) Keep tunnelling. + Show Spoiler [Constant questions without much else] +On August 04 2012 07:13 talismania wrote:
zeph and toad, thoughts on the other? On August 05 2012 04:46 talismania wrote:
Toad what do you think about glasse's and dropula's votes?
Completely cool with you? On August 06 2012 04:11 talismania wrote:
strongandbig and VE what do you think of the other? On August 06 2012 04:20 talismania wrote:
uh the only other read I see in your filter is about grush. Do you still think he is scum? Do you think anyone else is scum? How do you respond to what strongandbig said? 5) Finally you are just assuming Sloosh is town and order medics to protect him. On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote:
Ok so
1) Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him.
I’m not completely confident on your alignment, none of this is conclusive for me, but come on; you need to sell your town play better. I want to lynch Hier for this post. He prefaces his case by saying he doesn't know talis' alignment, so what's the point of it? He points out 5 different things that he finds scummy / weird and nothing at all that indicates he should think talis is town. He ends by reiterating his hesitation, twice, and then gives talis advice that he should do a better job being town. Exudes uncertainty ("not completely confident") and confidence ("you need to sell your town play better") in the same line. Classic contradiction I'd vig / lynch into. SnB, I think I was pretty transparent that my ultimate preference is that we consolidate a lynch on either prplhz or talismania over WBG. Both looked scummy, and I was fine lynching both. I didn't find talis vastly or concretely more scummy than prplhz, if that is what you are interpreting from my post. On that note: Detectives Don't Check MasonsI'm sure you guys are competent enough, but just in case it slips your mind, don't check masons unless you think they are lying about being masons (i.e. 2 scum faking mason interaction). I will also be rereading talis for spewing out more anti-town advice. Thread direction is very important to note and I'd encourage everyone to keep it in mind as they reread thread.
I posted that in response to Talis. He asked me a question; it would be suspicious for me to ignore completely. I don't have a set answer on who is town and who is mafia, but those are the points I would strongly consider in the future.
At the moment I'm convinced that WBG is town and Erandorr is mafia.
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Okay, kinda changed my mind and I'm actually starting to like the kill-grush plan. It's impossible to get a read in him anyway if he is going to play like this. Also, a big bonus is that WBG should be somewhat confirmed town if he flips scum.
As for Dropula, his only defense against all of my suspicion was that he was inexperienced and that it was all a mistake. This can be explained in 2 ways.
1. He is inexperienced.
2. He is scum.
If he is town he will most likely be left by scum unless he improves his play by an miraculously amount. If he is scum... Then he is scum.
For all Vigis, I hope you shot these guys tonight, as lynching them tomorrow will not really generate any discussion if they keep on playing like they've done so far.
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oh nvm I completely take back the thing about DT checks I forgot they are rolecops not alignment cops in this setup.
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hey all, im swapping in for MJ.
i've been reading the thread and am not too far from being up to speed. I'll have some time tonight to catch up and post.
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On August 06 2012 05:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay, kinda changed my mind and I'm actually starting to like the kill-grush plan. It's impossible to get a read in him anyway if he is going to play like this. Also, a big bonus is that WBG should be somewhat confirmed town if he flips scum.
As for Dropula, his only defense against all of my suspicion was that he was inexperienced and that it was all a mistake. This can be explained in 2 ways.
1. He is inexperienced.
2. He is scum.
If he is town he will most likely be left by scum unless he improves his play by an miraculously amount. If he is scum... Then he is scum.
For all Vigis, I hope you shot these guys tonight, as lynching them tomorrow will not really generate any discussion if they keep on playing like they've done so far.
Which explanation do you like best? Inexperience or scum?
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Wait till tommorow, everything will be explained.
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On August 06 2012 05:56 CountDropula wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 05:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay, kinda changed my mind and I'm actually starting to like the kill-grush plan. It's impossible to get a read in him anyway if he is going to play like this. Also, a big bonus is that WBG should be somewhat confirmed town if he flips scum.
As for Dropula, his only defense against all of my suspicion was that he was inexperienced and that it was all a mistake. This can be explained in 2 ways.
1. He is inexperienced.
2. He is scum.
If he is town he will most likely be left by scum unless he improves his play by an miraculously amount. If he is scum... Then he is scum.
For all Vigis, I hope you shot these guys tonight, as lynching them tomorrow will not really generate any discussion if they keep on playing like they've done so far.
Which explanation do you like best? Inexperience or scum? Lolwut.
Well, since I want to lynch you I'd much rather prefer you to be scum : ). You aren't helping town at all atm. If the only defense you have is the noob card then you must die. Preferably sooner than later. Unless you do some actual scum hunting, which it doesn't look like you are trying to. If you do not get shot tonight you will have 48 hours to convince me and everyone else why you shouldn't be the one to be lynched * hint * make some analysis * hint *.
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On August 06 2012 06:09 grush57 wrote:
Wait till tommorow, everything will be explained. Why? There is a decent chance you will get shot tonight IMO and if you are withholding info there is a chance we will never know what you were going to say. If you are mason/masoned you should 100% claim right now.
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Didn't realize this earlier: Checking masons is bullshit because Cops really are rolecops and not normal DT's lol.
Unless mafia screws up BIG time and gives the mason role to the one guy who will be the RB as well. According to the OP there's one GF and one RB fixed if I understand it correctly.
So unless someone pops up having two roles, like being a rb AND being a Mason the DT will only get a "Mason" result and won't know shit about wether or not that guy is mafia or town.
Unless of course a goon picking the mason will result as "goon + mason" but I highly doubt that. I'm no DT and that's a question you guys (if there are DT's out there) should know better than I do. You probably asked BC about this kind of stuff.
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On August 06 2012 06:13 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 05:56 CountDropula wrote:On August 06 2012 05:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay, kinda changed my mind and I'm actually starting to like the kill-grush plan. It's impossible to get a read in him anyway if he is going to play like this. Also, a big bonus is that WBG should be somewhat confirmed town if he flips scum.
As for Dropula, his only defense against all of my suspicion was that he was inexperienced and that it was all a mistake. This can be explained in 2 ways.
1. He is inexperienced.
2. He is scum.
If he is town he will most likely be left by scum unless he improves his play by an miraculously amount. If he is scum... Then he is scum.
For all Vigis, I hope you shot these guys tonight, as lynching them tomorrow will not really generate any discussion if they keep on playing like they've done so far.
Which explanation do you like best? Inexperience or scum? Lolwut. Well, since I want to lynch you I'd much rather prefer you to be scum : ). You aren't helping town at all atm. If the only defense you have is the noob card then you must die. Preferably sooner than later. Unless you do some actual scum hunting, which it doesn't look like you are trying to. If you do not get shot tonight you will have 48 hours to convince me and everyone else why you shouldn't be the one to be lynched * hint * make some analysis * hint *.
U mad?
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