EPTScrap Station w/o Queen:
![[image loading]](http://piclair.com/data/3e87t.jpg)
Tal'darim Altar w/o Queen:
![[image loading]](http://piclair.com/data/ke4il.jpg)
Tal'Darim Altar w/ Queen:
![[image loading]](http://piclair.com/data/6n3la.jpg)
Couldn't get it to work on Scrap Station with one queen and one evo, oh well.
Feel free to add to the main post or link to this post for future reference.
ZvT The Hellion Filter: Ultimate Anti-hellion Wall - Page 3
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Catgroove
Sweden67 Posts
Scrap Station w/o Queen: Tal'darim Altar w/o Queen: Tal'Darim Altar w/ Queen: Couldn't get it to work on Scrap Station with one queen and one evo, oh well. Feel free to add to the main post or link to this post for future reference. | ||
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pandaminion
United States270 Posts
Leenock has also been doing this kind of hellion-proof wall, with a Queen as a sort of "door" to prevent hellions from getting in. This kind of 'wall-off' is very good, especially seeing how hellion openings are becoming more and more common. | ||
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nick00bot
326 Posts
Btw, is the second pic a full wall off? i remember seeing rootslush wall himself off with 2 evos at mlg so im not sure if its drone permeable or not. @hatchet wound: ty  | ||
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hooktits
United States972 Posts
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Catgroove
Sweden67 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:25 nick00bot wrote: ty catgroove for those pics, Ill add the scrap station pic and link the other two since there is already a taldarim pic. Btw, is the second pic a full wall off? i remember seeing rootslush wall himself off with 2 evos at mlg so im not sure if its drone permeable or not. @hatchet wound: ty Second pic is like your wall off, same with the first one. Wasn't that the whole purpose so that a drone can fit but not a roach/hellion/whatever. | ||
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fuzzytoad
Canada57 Posts
No, it is possible with one, if you position her 100% correctly. Otherwise, hellions will squeeze through (they will be slowed by collision with her, but can make it through. Ah, and on tal darim altar, it is possible to block with an evo and a queen only, again assuming you position her perfectly. The spine is unnecessary. | ||
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nick00bot
326 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:48 Catgroove wrote: Second pic is like your wall off, same with the first one. Wasn't that the whole purpose so that a drone can fit but not a roach/hellion/whatever. yeah it was I was just making sure, but thanks for clarifying | ||
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
Can you fit something like an ultra through the footprint of a spine crawler? I doubt it but I haven't checked.... | ||
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nick00bot
326 Posts
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-Jambi-
United States60 Posts
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
On July 22 2011 06:49 babyToSS wrote: The big problem with zerg wall ins is that if terran sieges near your natural, it becomes very difficult for the zerg army to break that tank line unless you have broodlords with lots of corrupters. this is silly, wow would the wall make any difference? if the terran sieges outside your natural chances are things aren't going to go well anyway. if for whatever imaginary reason you don't like the wall after the hellion harass is done you can just move the spine and kill the evo. | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On July 22 2011 06:49 babyToSS wrote: The big problem with zerg wall ins is that if terran sieges near your natural, it becomes very difficult for the zerg army to break that tank line unless you have broodlords with lots of corrupters. You're clearly a very low level player. You severe have misconceptions about how high level ZvT works. | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
If you get caught completely with your pants down, I suppose this is useful, though, although I don't see how you get caught with your pants down, as you should be taking Reaper or Hellion into account off 1 gas, and blue flame, Banshees, or hellion drop off 2 gas. Unless you couldn't scout his gas timing, but you should catch the reactor with scout lings. | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On July 22 2011 07:39 pt wrote: Rhetorical question. I was implying that you can block ramps with 1 queen so this is probably useless. Yea, 1 queen and then 1 spine crawler overlooking the ramp to prevent hellion kiting is pretty good, but the queen can still be vulnerable if you get caught off guard by some kind of mass hellion strat. If that queen dies you pretty much lose, and from that perspective this type of wall in is a little safer | ||
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Catgroove
Sweden67 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:17 -Jambi- wrote: Does this work for tournament maps? Because I am not sure about this working on MLG maps, or tournament maps where the ramp is modified.... You could just drop one or two evos to block the evo chamber completely if you're really desperate, but you'd have to have some units to support that and not just do it without units like this wall. eg if you're trying to surround him and he's aiming for your ramp, you can just place an evo chamber to block it and then get the surround. | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:49 Arisen wrote: By doing this you're doing exactly what the Terran wants. No good Terran is trying to end the game with hellions by roasting a millions drones. If he sees an oportunity to do so, then yeah, he's going to take it, but he wants you to waste money on static defenses (and extra evo's you won't use for a long time) and stay on your side of the map. You'r accomplishing everything he wants for him. You're much better advised to use your resources on 5 roaches, as they allow you to take back map control and pressure the terran back. Being a low grandmaster zerg, I completely disagree with everything in this paragraph. | ||
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Catgroove
Sweden67 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:49 Arisen wrote: By doing this you're doing exactly what the Terran wants. No good Terran is trying to end the game with hellions by roasting a millions drones. If he sees an oportunity to do so, then yeah, he's going to take it, but he wants you to waste money on static defenses (and extra evo's you won't use for a long time) and stay on your side of the map. You'r accomplishing everything he wants for him. You're much better advised to use your resources on 5 roaches, as they allow you to take back map control and pressure the terran back. If you get caught completely with your pants down, I suppose this is useful, though, although I don't see how you get caught with your pants down, as you should be taking Reaper or Hellion into account off 1 gas, and blue flame, Banshees, or hellion drop off 2 gas. Unless you couldn't scout his gas timing, but you should catch the reactor with scout lings. First you're saying that you won't use the evo chamber for a long time, assuming everyone plays the same and always get upgrades much later, so it will be worthless, right? But then you're saying that it's better to get roaches to take map control and pressure the terran back. If you're going for the standard muta/ling/bling aren't you wasting money on a roach warren and 5 roaches when you wont be using them anyway? Your first argument would've been true if everyone played the same, but some people get upgrades early, (sup losira, destiny etc) believe it or not. Your last argument would've been right if you're NOT going for the standard muta/ling/bling. I don't understand how you could argue like that. Sure you can take back map control and pressure the terran, but how much pressure can 5 roaches really apply this late in the matchup? Not much. | ||
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Jaxtyk
United States600 Posts
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