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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
maybe it's pun-triggered | ||
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CaveJohnson
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Sadly I'm town. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17979 Posts
On November 28 2012 21:38 Mementoss wrote: 3 Well, that blew my theory out of the water. Difference between numbers (in hours): 10 12 14 11 15 9 12.5  | ||
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CaveJohnson
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Acrofales
Spain17979 Posts
On November 28 2012 20:59 CaveJohnson wrote: It sounds like a clone of mine just with supportive abilities rather than offensive abilities I know mine is balanced VIA my HP so I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't take much to kill Acro if you want to remove him from the game. Also no idea where the 1 came from probably a fizzled attack or something. My HP is rather high, actually. Probably has something to do with the third party aspect of my role. Would suck to be a survivor with a wet paper bag as defense. Also, I doubt most of my abilities are "supportive". The abilities I suspect of being heals are not based on their name, it's based on the fact that I can only cast them on me. I have 2 abilities I think might be helpful to town... but they might equally well backfire in your face if I try to use them, just as the bit where I tried to mason people did. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17979 Posts
On November 28 2012 21:48 CaveJohnson wrote: Its far too soon to be Lavos... Although it could be the ocean palace Lavos fight which is essentially unwinnable. I agree. Unless the "or all scum is dead" is a giant troll in Greymist's OP. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17979 Posts
On November 28 2012 21:53 Acrofales wrote: My HP is rather high, actually. Probably has something to do with the third party aspect of my role. Would suck to be a survivor with a wet paper bag as defense. Also, I doubt most of my abilities are "supportive". The abilities I suspect of being heals are not based on their name, it's based on the fact that I can only cast them on me. I have 2 abilities I think might be helpful to town... but they might equally well backfire in your face if I try to use them, just as the bit where I tried to mason people did. That came out wrong. Except for the self-targeting stuff, and the abilities I have that probably help me fulfill my second wincon, there are 2 abilities that might be heals or damage prevention things that I can use on other people, but they might equally well be nukes. I have no idea what my shit does. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 28 2012 21:46 Acrofales wrote: Well, that blew my theory out of the water. Difference between numbers (in hours): 10 12 14 11 15 9 12.5 my guess is that it's relayed to the number of posts in the thread ^^ I do not want to count though  | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17979 Posts
On November 28 2012 22:11 Djodref wrote: my guess is that it's relayed to the number of posts in the thread ^^ I do not want to count though Then how did Hassy know beforehand that he would have to post his post at 20:00? | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
I chose phagga! below are some quotes and summaries of stuff from his filter, along with my analysis. My conclusion is: phagga is probably town, but I'm not confident enough to agree with putting him on a party yet. Most of the stuff I found in his filter made me lean townie; the doubts come from what's missing. I'll put that at the end of this post. On November 21 2012 16:12 phagga wrote: I like Sandroba's plan, his logic is sound. However, I find it dangerous to derive a town read from it, nothing is stopping scum to put up this plan to get themselfes elected. Why is everyone asking for town reads? I understand that the mechanics are working differently, but everyone just spreading their townreads like the flu will only make it easier for scum to decide who to shoot at night. People like Keirathi and me who have no desire in being elected D1 should not be giving out any townreads, instead we can actually scum hunt in the traditional way and establish ourselfes as town this way. I even think that most candidates should not be throwing out their town reads unless they seem to be a serious candidate (meaning several people have voiced interest in voting that person). this is good, sandroba's plan actually was good but phagga went against calling him town because of it, that's what a smart townie should've done. then there's a bunch of questions, most of them are pretty insightful so they don't read to me like someone trying to fake activity, but they're also something that scum could easily do so just because they're the right questions to be asking doesn't make them a town tell. He has a little list of reads, just on three players; usually I don't like list posts, but this is a weird game and the need to find a party makes me think read list posts are less bad than normal; plus the reads all make sense to me given the information we had at the time. On November 22 2012 18:55 phagga wrote: I have not read all the posts yet, I just arrived at the point where Syllo addresses Sandro regarding unanswered questions here. I have not named a candidate yet because I do not have a clear town read on one yet. I was leaning on Sandroba the whole time, and I also tend to think that Syllo is town. However, I only have a very rough idea on how these guys play scum, and I don't trust them enough yet. Also I don't like it at all that they are almost uncontested. As someone said earlier, mafia should have an interest at getting this spot too, and somehow I would expect some heavier resistance. Unless Sand and Syllo are both scum, of course, but Orcams Razor probably says no. Kita was always in the back of my head because I liked his opening post. I was aware that he went MIA for a while, but I still thought that his candidature was serious. So when I realized that barely anyone talked about him, I thought I'd use Acros post to see if I could get some info on what people thought about him. Also, as I wrote earlier, I do think more competition is needed, and since Toad is out of the race, that leaves Kita as the most promising competitor to Sandro/Syllo. Regarding his proposed team: Dieno has claimed after I talked about the possibility to be 3rd party, and the way is behaving I think I could meanwhile accept him in the party, although there are other players that I would prefer. Prom is the one I feel really unsure about. I hope Kita thinks that one over. Nevertheless, for the time being, he gets my vote. ##Vote Kitaman Goodkarmas candidature comes surprising, and I first liked his approach for the candidature. However, I voiced my suspicion of him yesterday, and his choice of Sandro for the team looks like a joke, as you can see in my questions to him. I will be very busy today. I should be in the thread for sure in the last 2-3 hours before deadline. Hopefully I will be able to interact some more earlier. This makes me lean town on him. He'd positioned himself earlier so that he could reasonably join sandroba's campaign at any time without looking suspicious, by saying "i like sandroba's ideas but it's too early to have a town read on him," but he doesn't take that opportunity to try and boost sandroba's momentum. Then there's some more questions. I especially like how he follows up with the questions when they get ignored, that's something that scum can also do but it makes me feel more townie on him. + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2012 02:57 phagga wrote: Ok, now that I've gone through Goodkarma's filter, I know why I thought he might be scum. When you look through his filter, literally the first half of it he almost only talks about what town should do, what people should do (with the one exception of his very first ingame post). There is a ton of stuff that just does not bring town anywhere. He looks like he is contributing, but nothing is really helping town. Also, the tone of his posts seems so neutral, as if he was emotionally completely detached. This is probably what others described as "constructed", for me it is just strange because it seems he does not care at all. The best example for this is this post: He says he is upset, and calls it a scandal, which means it must have pissed him off. Bbut the tone of the post does not feel this way, it rather sounds as if he actually does not care. Then, this post is an improvement. I actually liked that post from him, even if it was a bit long and overexplaining. But then he posted that he would have Sandroba on his team, and I was really confused by that. Afterwards, it seems back to the old ways for him. When I look at his posts from today, it is mostly defending himself, a vote and post to sandroba, that's it. Tl;dr: Too much fluff, a single scum read on the Bus of the day, looks emotionally detached. Now, it is possible that this is his normal way of playing/writing, I am not familiar with his meta. However, for the above reasons, Goodkarma stands on the scummy side for me. Goodkarma: I see you have voted Sandroba. Can you name me up to three other people you also find suspicious, and why? I don't need a whole case, a short explanation what you think is scum motivated in their play would suffice. On November 26 2012 07:27 phagga wrote: Ok, I've updated my read on GK and I would no longer lynch him. When the D2 lynch came to a close, he asked people to consolidate on either sandroba or Toad. He tried to shut down any discussion that would bring in new candidates. considering that Sandro is confirmed scum and Toad is very very likely scum, I don't see the mafia motivation behind is behaviour. also, the way he acts D3 seems more pro-town than on the first day. All in all, I put GK on null for the moment. This could be interpreted either as scummy or as townie behavior. Scummy: "he makes a weak case but doesn't vote on it, then backs off his case when it doesn't get traction." Townie: "He makes a decent 'exploratory case' where he explains his suspicions to get people talking about the person he's suspicious of, but later he's willing to update his reads based on new information and new actions taken by people." Personally, I lean towards the townie interpretation, but that's influenced by what I've seen up above in his filter. I wanted to make sure to point this out though, it seems like the most serious "case" or scumread that phagga has made in the thread so it should be a focal point on reading him. This is what actually made me wonder a bit. the analysis phagga does on goodkarma is pretty much the only deep analysis he does of any player. the fact that phagga backed off of goodkarma isn't necessarily scummy, the ability to get out of a tunnel is important for a townie to have. however, phagga doesn't appear to replace his goodkarma read with other scumreads or deep analysis of other players. Additionally, phagga does a lot of questioning and following up and pushing his questions, but there's very little analysis or explanation of how he likes peoples' responses to those questions and how they respond. That's why I am reluctant to support phagga being on the party, in the theoretical situation where he was being considered - even though the things in his filter seem town to me, it feels like there is a component missing. I definitely don't want to lynch phagga or to have vigs shoot him, however. Now, phagga I have a couple of questions for you:
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 28 2012 22:20 Acrofales wrote: Then how did Hassy know beforehand that he would have to post his post at 20:00? Maybe Mementoss is drunk ^^ Anyway the countdown is going to be over soon... I guess it's for the end of the end of time, no ? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17979 Posts
Timestamps: 10:05 20:00 +10 / 595 07:59 +12 / 719 +2 / +124 21:52 +14 / 833 +2 / +114 09:06 +11 / 674 -3 / - 159 23:54 +15 / 888 +4 / +214 09:11 +09 / 557 -6 / -331 21:38 +13 / 747 +4 / -190 Given the timestamps, the difference between them and the difference of differences. Alphabet? Assuming 0 = A? K:F U:A H:H V:A J:G X:C J:L V:M This is complete jibberish and is jibberish under any rotational encryption as well. Interpreting as numbers I also don't see anyting useful 1005 2000 + 995 759 - 1241 - 2236 2152 +1393 +2634 906 - 1246 - 2639 2354 +1448 +2694 911 - 1443 - 2891 2138 +1227 +2670 I tried analyzing them in a number of different ways and I see no pattern or hidden message. That leads me to conclude that it's one of three things: 1. I am too dumb to decypher this shit, 2. they are simply roughly every 12 hours, depending on when the hosts have time and they are too lazy to tell us that they should be every 12 hours since the Day 2 action deadline, or 3. this has to be something to do with someone's role. Given that nobody has claimed any knowledge of these numbers, I suspect scum or another 3rd party. I don't like calling myself dumb, so my intuition says either 2 or 3. Maybe it's the impact of Lavos? In the game you don't actually fight Lavos when he crashes into the planet in prehistory. However, that means we are skipping the entire part where we have to make Masamune and fight Magus. ##get on dactyl and fly away from Tyranno Lair | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
It's okay... | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
I have no idea what though | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
KUH VJXJV! | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On November 28 2012 22:57 Mementoss wrote: KUH VJXJV! or maybe their just fucking with us | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Acro get out your codesolving book and tell us the message  | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17979 Posts
On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Syllogism ##Vote: Hopeless1der Things and such. On November 23 2012 07:55 Hopeless1der wrote: But I want to play setup explorer instead On November 23 2012 09:25 Hopeless1der wrote: Is he scum though? If it is draz, (and I have limited first hand experience) he does this kind of shit regardless. I'd rather not lynch him. I need to read sandroba, but before anything else, I cite his Looney Lynching play as exhibit A on why lack of activity =\= scum sandroba. His interactions with syllo on the other hand...well I'm going to go look into that one. My setup exploration was unproductive by the way. What were you expecting/hoping would happen? Why would 1 person (you) voting for yourself have any influence on anything? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17979 Posts
Here is what I am speculating about Toad, and why it makes H1 scum: + Show Spoiler [speculation] + Premise: Hopeless1der's vote on Toad for D3 makes no fucking sense at all. Toad's insistence on needing votes felt strange to me, regardless of his alignment. Then it clicked. Queen Zeal -> Drama Queen. A role made for Toad. Also: On November 23 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote: <snip> Dude, if you knew :p I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature Toad reacting weirdly to my drama queen poke. This makes me think the drama queen bit is real and Toad needs a vote every day. This may be in return for a powerful night role, or I am going to speculate even further with a bit of Caller logic here: Drazerk needed to NOT get a vote to be lynch immune in HRM. This is a reversed role, he can only be lynched by nobody voting for him at all. Now I don't think we should put this to the test: if Toad is alive the next lynch day, we lynch the crap out of him. However, it makes sense of Hopeless1der's vote, which is otherwise mindboggling. H1 being Toad's scumbuddy wants to keep Toad alive as long as possible. Toad actually DOES need a vote. Either to prevent 500 damage, or to prevent immediate death. Townies are unlikely to vote for Toad ever again, so it falls to his scumbuddies to do so. H1 is the one to vote. Note that if Queen Zeal is not what I think it is, then all of this is nonsense. | ||
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