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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17958 Posts
November 28 2012 14:37 GMT
#4461
On November 28 2012 23:11 iamperfection wrote:
Acro are you sure your not town?

Yeah. It's all good, though. I'll keep helping out wherever I can!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17958 Posts
November 28 2012 14:39 GMT
#4462
On November 28 2012 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
The Gods are playing with us :O
Acro get out your codesolving book and tell us the message

Fairly certain Mementoss is just fucking with us. He opened up the spoiler and read the first column. I can haul it through the caesar decryption in order of columns, rather than rows.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17958 Posts
November 28 2012 14:41 GMT
#4463
Confirmed, just fucking with us.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 28 2012 15:11 GMT
#4464
On November 28 2012 23:08 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote: Syllogism
##Vote: Hopeless1der


Things and such.

Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 07:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
But I want to play setup explorer instead

Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 09:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 23 2012 09:21 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 23 2012 09:06 Adam4167 wrote:
In regards to my post to kita, I think it stands fine as it is. I am trying to figure out what the hell he is doing, because he claims to want to be taken seriously, but then posts a page of 'joke' reads and then campaigns as if they're perfectly acceptable. I am trying to ascertain if he is just goofing around, and I should ignore him, or if hes intentionally posting more garbage into this thread, something I think we can do without.


I had one joke post and one joke read on risk. That's like 5% of my posts, yet you've brought it up three different times. Is this really your biggest concern.

I nominate Cave as an alternative to sandroba (I'm still in favor of a sandroba lynch while he continues to be afk, and likely even after he returns)

On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote:
I blame Acro for this post but apparently my posting is too unique it doesn't work anyway and I feel I need to explain a few things to keep Acro / S+B being murdered because they know me too well.

I claim Drazerk the Invoker Chef


I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane).

My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have.

Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask).

Now to read what I've missed.


He's clearly lying about his success modifier. It's a hidden value and he has no benchmark to lead him to believe 4 is a high number. He isn't keeping up with the thread. He's likely lying about his role and has a history of lying about his role. For whatever reason, he claims to think he would be a likely roleblock target. He has a history of never contributing in any game he has ever played in (and I mean that in the nicest of ways <3)

Is he scum though? If it is draz, (and I have limited first hand experience) he does this kind of shit regardless. I'd rather not lynch him. I need to read sandroba, but before anything else, I cite his Looney Lynching play as exhibit A on why lack of activity =\= scum sandroba. His interactions with syllo on the other hand...well I'm going to go look into that one.

My setup exploration was unproductive by the way.

What were you expecting/hoping would happen? Why would 1 person (you) voting for yourself have any influence on anything?

Nameclaim: Toma the Adventurer. I was screwing around with potential mechanics related to my role. Kind of how you have no idea what your abilities do until you use them, I thought there might be more to my role than just my ability. If you thought you could figure out what they do beforehand, wouldn't you try?
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 28 2012 15:41 GMT
#4465
Anyone having any last minute doubts about TC?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17958 Posts
November 28 2012 15:44 GMT
#4466
On November 22 2012 21:40 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 21:14 Acrofales wrote:
On November 22 2012 20:57 risk.nuke wrote:
Goodkarma, exclude oats from your mission team and you have my vote.

Trust and something approaching praise coming from risk.nuke, how... unusual.

Risk, what do you feel is wrong with Sandro and Syllo at the moment?

I don't know what you are talking about Acro.

As for Oats, He made a tunnelcase on clarity and when it didn't work he tried the yell higher approach.
I also didn't like that he voted toad who's notoriously difficult to read but that is a lesser concern.

My main problem with oats is he hasn't really done anything in actual terms to distinguish himself as town while he's playing one of the easier ways to play as scum. Furthermore I get the feeling of two sides of him. One calm and considerate and one yell as high as you can side.

Right now I don't have an abundant of trust for syllogism and sandroba wants to send oats. I have townreads goodkarma and Djodref.

Hrmmm. What was your town read of GK based on at this point? In fact, explain Djodref as well.

So far, you have managed to say you didn't have a town read on Oats (which I agreed with at the time, so I didn't think too much into it, but suspicious minds would say you were trying to manipulate town off the party)... and you didn't trust Syllo, without any further explanation. You then throw a seemingly random town read on GK out there. That is what I meant with trust, btw. Your usual meta is to be aggressive and angry at everybody. Your friendliness towards GK feels strange.

This is how you justify it a couple of hours later:
On November 23 2012 00:45 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 00:37 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 00:34 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 23 2012 00:19 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count

Kitaman27 (4): Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, Toadesstern

Goodkarma (2): djodref, goodkarma

Sandroba (4): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, kushm4sta

Dienosore (1): Dienosore

Syllogism (5): Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, TheChronicler


Players who have yet to vote (9): CaveJohnson, Hapahauli, Z-BosoN, strongandbig, BioSC, Keirathi, syllogism, Adam4167, sandroba

Remember that voting is mandatory.

All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

I forgot to unvote.
##unvote: Sandroba
##Vote: goodkarma


risk, what makes you feel so good about goodkarma?

I like how he post. I feel I can follow his thoughts.

I feel I need something more to justify this weak-ass vote on a weak-ass candidate. I am not understanding your thought process this game, which is somewhat unusual, because you're usually far more transparent.

Then comes the whole Sandroba ordeal. There are two ways of reading this: a townie who think Sandroba might be scum, but isn't sure... and scum waiting for Sandro to give him any reasonable opportunity to not bus his scumbuddy. Not much more to say on this issue.

However, this is interesting:
On November 24 2012 05:01 risk.nuke wrote:
<snip>

Chronicler

I didn't like his initial plan in the terms of that I didn't agree with it. On the other hand "IF" he is town I don't feel the plan was beneficial for the mafiateam either so from that perspective I can see what he was going for. A lot of people make up their own plans because they like the sense of leadership. I don't think his candidacy plan is alignment revealing.
I especially liked this post (clicky) from him, even more so in hindsight of syllos sucess.
I am slightly leaning town on him.

Post in question:
On November 22 2012 03:42 TheChronicler wrote:
I'm going to place my vote on syllo. Cave seems to be pushing syllo as someone who can't be elected because he's "taken himself out" when he's a very viable candidate. I'm driving to California, and won't be back in the thread for a good 12 hours. I will try to keep up with the thread on my phone, though. Just don't expect your questions to be answered until I get to my parents' place tonight.


This was one of the posts that set alarm bells off in my mind (and I believe some other players' minds too). I am thus completely and utterly confused: why did this give you a town read on him? How the hell do you go from "Chronicler provides a bad excuse to drop his plan and sheep the majority" to "town read"?

And here we have some more buttfuck terrible reasoning:
On November 24 2012 05:20 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 05:13 Djodref wrote:
On November 24 2012 05:01 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 24 2012 04:09 Djodref wrote:
On November 24 2012 02:24 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 24 2012 00:47 Djodref wrote:
On November 24 2012 00:16 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 23 2012 23:43 Djodref wrote:
I might have sounded angry but I honestly think that this sandroba wagon is pretty stupid. Nobody really brings an original argument and is sheeping syllo ">50% chance that sandro is mafia" and/or basically lynching a lurker with contributions.

It's the perfect situation for the mafia to mislynch sandro if he is town, not contribute, blend in. I don't like how this D2 starts at all.

For example, risk.nuke dropping in the thread and casting his vote against sandro with his "waiting for sandro to participate to switch my vote to ..." without even giving any alternatives. Fuck this kind of attitude !

FoS risk.nuke

"without giving any alternatives"...
Do you understand that bringing up alternatives would completely contradict the very reason I parked my vote on sandroba.
The point was to build pressure to force him into activity. Saying, I'm parking my vote on sandroba but if he doesn't show up I'm going to vote this guy is just... dumb doesn't even suffice.


@risk.nuke

Well, obviously it didn't work because sandro is supposedly sleeping now. What do you plan to do now ?

Play the waiting game.


@risk.nuke

Play the waiting game ?

On November 21 2012 18:34 risk.nuke wrote:
*snip*

I'm not sure how missions are going to work but to prepare for anything these quality's are what we seak.
We need a player who's smart, adaptable to new situations and capable of finding the optimal play.
We need a player who's good at analysing behaviour and who's good at finding townies.

This is Sandroba in a nutshell. I've seen firsthand how he think and he is one of the few people I've met I trust can identify the correct play in a new situation. In SS mafia he created and executed the plan that dismantled the mafiateam in a day. Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination.

Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays.
##Vote: Sandroba


@risk.nuke

Obviously, you know sandroba a little. Could you explain me why you feel like playing the waiting game with sandro is a good idea for today ? He explicitly told us that he was going to get busy this week-end

Why couldn't you share a little more about what you think of sandroba so far while we're waiting ?
Of course, I would also greatly appreciate any input on TheChronicler ^^

Because I want to hear what he have to say before I decide if I want to lynch him or not.
Right now I don't feel sandroba is demonstrating qualitys I would expect from a town sandroba.
This might be because he is genuinely busy or just bloody arrogant or scum. Either was right now I want to hear from him, there is time.

Chronicler

I didn't like his initial plan in the terms of that I didn't agree with it. On the other hand "IF" he is town I don't feel the plan was beneficial for the mafiateam either so from that perspective I can see what he was going for. A lot of people make up their own plans because they like the sense of leadership. I don't think his candidacy plan is alignment revealing.
I especially liked this post (clicky) from him, even more so in hindsight of syllos sucess.
I am slightly leaning town on him.


@risk.nuke

That's analysis after the fact. At this time, there was no reliable way for us to know if syllo was town or not.
Speaking for myself, I've been deciding this after a careful analysis of his posts and I've decided that I should take the risk of voting him. I'm talking about a risk here because he didn't want to reveal his party beforehand, which is something I liked. And that's something TheChronicler shouldn't have liked, given his campaign platform.
TheChronicler looked very afraid to vote a scum as a party leader and his plan was all about getting "information". Hence, his vote on syllo doesn't make any sense from a town TheChronicler perspective. In fact, the whole story of a town TheChronicler which wanted to be elected on a bad idea doesn't make sense. Hence, scum.
Further thoughts ?

By the way, your vote on sandroba is useless...

We may not know for sure syllos alignment but as long as occams razor says syllo is town then that speaks in chronicles favor.

If my vote on sandroba is useless, is that why you're so attracted to it? Birds of a feather flock.

TC voted for Syllo when Syllo was building momentum and everybody else was losing it.

You are a good player. You KNOW there would be scum on a wagon like that. Why is TC's complete throwaway reason a town tell?

There's some other incongruencies:
On November 24 2012 20:43 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 14:18 kitaman27 wrote:
There are a couple people whose filters I've looked through that I believe warrent mention. The first would be nuke.

On November 21 2012 18:34 risk.nuke wrote:
Hi, I'd proposed myself to lead the party since I feel I possess the essential quality's we'd want for a mission leader. But I feel I'm late to sign myself up and as it stands there already is already a candidate I want to support. As it stands right now I want Sandroba for our first party leader.

No disrespect to marv who's one of the best scumhunters I know on these forums but a scumhunter isn't what we need today.

I'm not sure how missions are going to work but to prepare for anything these quality's are what we seak.
We need a player who's smart, adaptable to new situations and capable of finding the optimal play.
We need a player who's good at analysing behaviour and who's good at finding townies.

This is Sandroba in a nutshell. I've seen firsthand how he think and he is one of the few people I've met I trust can identify the correct play in a new situation. In SS mafia he created and executed the plan that dismantled the mafiateam in a day. Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination.

Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays.
##Vote: Sandroba


The thing that bothers me the most about this post is how much resolve nuke has that sandroba is the right man for the job. He doesn't question whether or not sandroba is actually town, which is the first thing I'd be looking for.

"Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination."

This quote is what I found the most off. When I think of sandroba, I think of a good late game scumhunter. What makes him think that sandroba is a great town hunter, compared to anyone else? It's as if he is coming up with a reason that is perfect for the job to justify his vote.

On November 21 2012 23:27 risk.nuke wrote:
No I read your arguments, but they sounded inadequate and non thought through. What really rubbed me the wrong way was your disregard for individual alignment amongst your list. Right now I feel you didn't care, you just wanted an elite team to go under the pretext that they would be best equipped. You purposefully ignored or didn't consider the risks of a team like that and I really don't like that.


At a later point, nuke attacks arco for his team selection based on experience instead of alignment. This appears to be exactly what he had based his own leader selection upon.

Throughout nuke's filter, he is asking tons of questions, but not providing any opinions of his own. This is something I find myself doing quite often as scum.

Towards the end of the day, after sandroba goes afk, he switches his support to goodkarma. Rather than convincing others that this is the best route, he is more concerned with his own personal selection. He lists two people as town reads, but provides no real reasoning and shows little effort to attempt to get them added to the party.

Today he has voted sandroba on the basis of inactivity. He has not contributed much on day two and hasn't provided any alternate scum reads. He is also not very aggressive, which is something I'm used to seeing when he is town.

I have one other person I'd like to bring up, but it will probably have to wait until morning. I'll choose my prefered lynch candidate after that.




Scummy post from a scummy player.
<snip>

Pretty much the first mention of Kitaman in the game. While I don't think Kita's case was particularly strong and risk is justified in ridiculing it, I am surprised about him asserting that Kita is "scummy". This feels a lot like an OMGUS to just discredit the case off the bat. A case being wrong/bad doesn't make the poster scummy, it makes him wrong/bad.

We never actually get to know why Kita was "scummy". What had Kita done at the time? In fact, for someone claiming a scum read on Kita, there is remarkably little interaction between the two. There is no explanation of the read, no attempt to learn more about Kita, nothing. Risk, why did you think Kita was scum? Do you still think so? Why?

Further questions:

Why did you want to be party leader on D3? I understand the "party was bad" reasoning, but regardless of alignment, you have enough brains to know you had 0 town cred and would never ever get elected in a million years. The decision to try to run just seems really really strange. I can think of a "desperate scum" motivation though. And given that scum was in a pretty bad shape after D1 and D2, desperation is a decent guess of the scum state of mind at that point.

Your reason for not wanting to take Dieno along sounds incredibly forced. You honestly expect us to believe you thought that Dieno's HP would play a bigger role than the fact that he is about as close to confirmed town as we can get without flips?

I know you have already been asked this by someone (Djodref I believe), but your answers were thoroughly unsatisfactory. Try again.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9640 Posts
November 28 2012 15:49 GMT
#4467
On November 29 2012 00:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
Anyone having any last minute doubts about TC?

Well if we cant send myself i don't see a clear option out there.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 28 2012 15:49 GMT
#4468
On November 28 2012 22:39 Acrofales wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [exercise in futility] +

Timestamps:
10:05
20:00 +10 / 595
07:59 +12 / 719 +2 / +124
21:52 +14 / 833 +2 / +114
09:06 +11 / 674 -3 / - 159
23:54 +15 / 888 +4 / +214
09:11 +09 / 557 -6 / -331
21:38 +13 / 747 +4 / -190

Given the timestamps, the difference between them and the difference of differences.

Alphabet? Assuming 0 = A?

K:F
U:A
H:H
V:A
J:G
X:C
J:L
V:M
This is complete jibberish and is jibberish under any rotational encryption as well.

Interpreting as numbers I also don't see anyting useful
1005
2000 + 995
759 - 1241 - 2236
2152 +1393 +2634
906 - 1246 - 2639
2354 +1448 +2694
911 - 1443 - 2891
2138 +1227 +2670

I tried analyzing them in a number of different ways and I see no pattern or hidden message. That leads me to conclude that it's one of three things:
1. I am too dumb to decypher this shit,
2. they are simply roughly every 12 hours, depending on when the hosts have time and they are too lazy to tell us that they should be every 12 hours since the Day 2 action deadline, or
3. this has to be something to do with someone's role. Given that nobody has claimed any knowledge of these numbers, I suspect scum or another 3rd party.

I don't like calling myself dumb, so my intuition says either 2 or 3. Maybe it's the impact of Lavos? In the game you don't actually fight Lavos when he crashes into the planet in prehistory.

However, that means we are skipping the entire part where we have to make Masamune and fight Magus.

##get on dactyl and fly away from Tyranno Lair


I tried to type out the number in binaries (since they are all below 15, it gives you nice 4-bit-blocks) and see if a usefull ip address returns. I got 172.235.249.X (last digit still unknown), but 172.235.249.0/24 is not in use as far as I can see on ARIN (it says holder and contact unknown). Will try again when the next interval is out, but I doubt this is the way to go.

I also checked the ascii table for hex or decimal values, no luck.

Perhaps the difference has to be seen as hex numbers, which gives you the following decimals:

0x10 => 16 decimal
0x12 => 18 decimal
0x14 => 20 decimal
0x11 => 17 decimal
0x15 => 21 decimal
0x09 => 09 decimal
0x13 => 19 decimal

that does not really tell me anything either.

Finally, I expect the next countdown number either after 8 or after 16 hours. So far we had every intervall from 9 to 15 hours, so I suppose the next one is gonna be after 8 or 16 hours.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17958 Posts
November 28 2012 15:52 GMT
#4469
On November 29 2012 00:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 23:08 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote: Syllogism
##Vote: Hopeless1der


Things and such.

On November 23 2012 07:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
But I want to play setup explorer instead

On November 23 2012 09:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 23 2012 09:21 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 23 2012 09:06 Adam4167 wrote:
In regards to my post to kita, I think it stands fine as it is. I am trying to figure out what the hell he is doing, because he claims to want to be taken seriously, but then posts a page of 'joke' reads and then campaigns as if they're perfectly acceptable. I am trying to ascertain if he is just goofing around, and I should ignore him, or if hes intentionally posting more garbage into this thread, something I think we can do without.


I had one joke post and one joke read on risk. That's like 5% of my posts, yet you've brought it up three different times. Is this really your biggest concern.

I nominate Cave as an alternative to sandroba (I'm still in favor of a sandroba lynch while he continues to be afk, and likely even after he returns)

On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote:
I blame Acro for this post but apparently my posting is too unique it doesn't work anyway and I feel I need to explain a few things to keep Acro / S+B being murdered because they know me too well.

I claim Drazerk the Invoker Chef


I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane).

My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have.

Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask).

Now to read what I've missed.


He's clearly lying about his success modifier. It's a hidden value and he has no benchmark to lead him to believe 4 is a high number. He isn't keeping up with the thread. He's likely lying about his role and has a history of lying about his role. For whatever reason, he claims to think he would be a likely roleblock target. He has a history of never contributing in any game he has ever played in (and I mean that in the nicest of ways <3)

Is he scum though? If it is draz, (and I have limited first hand experience) he does this kind of shit regardless. I'd rather not lynch him. I need to read sandroba, but before anything else, I cite his Looney Lynching play as exhibit A on why lack of activity =\= scum sandroba. His interactions with syllo on the other hand...well I'm going to go look into that one.

My setup exploration was unproductive by the way.

What were you expecting/hoping would happen? Why would 1 person (you) voting for yourself have any influence on anything?

Nameclaim: Toma the Adventurer. I was screwing around with potential mechanics related to my role. Kind of how you have no idea what your abilities do until you use them, I thought there might be more to my role than just my ability. If you thought you could figure out what they do beforehand, wouldn't you try?


Hrmm, I have no clue what your name has to do with that. You had already claimed you were some sort of explorer. Whether that is blue, black or red remains to be discovered. I have to say the claim comes at an unusual time. What in your role gives you the impression that there is more to be discovered? My role makes it very clear that I cannot know what my abilities do until I use them.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 28 2012 15:56 GMT
#4470
On November 29 2012 00:52 Acrofales wrote:
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On November 29 2012 00:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 28 2012 23:08 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote: Syllogism
##Vote: Hopeless1der


Things and such.

On November 23 2012 07:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
But I want to play setup explorer instead

On November 23 2012 09:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 23 2012 09:21 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 23 2012 09:06 Adam4167 wrote:
In regards to my post to kita, I think it stands fine as it is. I am trying to figure out what the hell he is doing, because he claims to want to be taken seriously, but then posts a page of 'joke' reads and then campaigns as if they're perfectly acceptable. I am trying to ascertain if he is just goofing around, and I should ignore him, or if hes intentionally posting more garbage into this thread, something I think we can do without.


I had one joke post and one joke read on risk. That's like 5% of my posts, yet you've brought it up three different times. Is this really your biggest concern.

I nominate Cave as an alternative to sandroba (I'm still in favor of a sandroba lynch while he continues to be afk, and likely even after he returns)

On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote:
I blame Acro for this post but apparently my posting is too unique it doesn't work anyway and I feel I need to explain a few things to keep Acro / S+B being murdered because they know me too well.

I claim Drazerk the Invoker Chef


I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane).

My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have.

Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask).

Now to read what I've missed.


He's clearly lying about his success modifier. It's a hidden value and he has no benchmark to lead him to believe 4 is a high number. He isn't keeping up with the thread. He's likely lying about his role and has a history of lying about his role. For whatever reason, he claims to think he would be a likely roleblock target. He has a history of never contributing in any game he has ever played in (and I mean that in the nicest of ways <3)

Is he scum though? If it is draz, (and I have limited first hand experience) he does this kind of shit regardless. I'd rather not lynch him. I need to read sandroba, but before anything else, I cite his Looney Lynching play as exhibit A on why lack of activity =\= scum sandroba. His interactions with syllo on the other hand...well I'm going to go look into that one.

My setup exploration was unproductive by the way.

What were you expecting/hoping would happen? Why would 1 person (you) voting for yourself have any influence on anything?

Nameclaim: Toma the Adventurer. I was screwing around with potential mechanics related to my role. Kind of how you have no idea what your abilities do until you use them, I thought there might be more to my role than just my ability. If you thought you could figure out what they do beforehand, wouldn't you try?


Hrmm, I have no clue what your name has to do with that. You had already claimed you were some sort of explorer. Whether that is blue, black or red remains to be discovered. I have to say the claim comes at an unusual time. What in your role gives you the impression that there is more to be discovered? My role makes it very clear that I cannot know what my abilities do until I use them.

The fact that my original ability unlocks a secondary ability following self-inflicted damage.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9640 Posts
November 28 2012 16:16 GMT
#4471
why does everybody's abilities sound overly complicated and conditional when compared to mine?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 28 2012 16:17 GMT
#4472
On November 29 2012 01:16 iamperfection wrote:
why does everybody's abilities sound overly complicated and conditional when compared to mine?


Same. Well, mine are conditional but straightforward.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 28 2012 16:17 GMT
#4473
I would really like to know who TC is actually. Some of his stuff seems to be newbie and some of it experienced...
Also
Vote: Diensore
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 28 2012 16:18 GMT
#4474
whoops.
EBWOP
##Vote: Dienosore
No gg, No skill.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 28 2012 16:20 GMT
#4475
Don't worry about the formatting in this thread, it's basically just a courtesy. (prevents sneaky business) As long as you vote properly in the voting thread.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 28 2012 16:20 GMT
#4476
On November 29 2012 01:16 iamperfection wrote:
why does everybody's abilities sound overly complicated and conditional when compared to mine?

My actual ability isn't complicated, I was just searching for things that didn't exist.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
November 28 2012 16:22 GMT
#4477
Jesus I haven't voted either.

##Vote: Dienosore

I'm okay with Dieno's team as proposed.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 28 2012 16:23 GMT
#4478
At some point someone should claim the roleblocks on Risk and Toad. It is extremely unlikely that Risk was, at least intentionally, targeted by a mafia roleblock.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 28 2012 16:27 GMT
#4479
VE could you give us some reads before the cycle ends please?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9640 Posts
November 28 2012 16:29 GMT
#4480
On November 29 2012 01:20 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 01:16 iamperfection wrote:
why does everybody's abilities sound overly complicated and conditional when compared to mine?

My actual ability isn't complicated, I was just searching for things that didn't exist.

so what made you think their secondary conditions the wording?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
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