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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
sadly jish you haven't really made any good arguments if you have anything else please post | ||
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jish17
Australia7 Posts
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
Night 3 -- ENDGAME The town has fallen. jish17, the townie, has been lynched Zanfada, the townie, has been ENDGAMED JoshKirby, the goon, has pulled out a Mafia win! Well played all. Role list: raynpelikoneet Mafia Goon zany_001 Mafia Goon JoshKirby Mafia Goon Toadesstern Detective Ciryandor Townie Sknowman Townie Thnikkaman47 Townie jish17 Townie Edwin5 Townie Fatesgod Townie Zanfada Townie FranzP Townie (spreadsheet will be posted when gm makes it shareable) Mafia QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/K765YQyjGBD5 | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Bans will be handed out as soon as flamewheel posts the new ban list. As promised I will be handing them out like candy. Please take all ban discussion to the ban thread. | ||
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
gg all | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
I should note my role claiming mafia was intentional and calculated; it was most probable that I would be lynched anyway (assuming active town lol) so I decide to go out and take toad with me. Rayn pulling out like that messed things up and I thought it would have been over without risky attempts like mine; plus me calling mafia drew suspicion away from josh, what little there was. | ||
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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JoshKirby
13 Posts
By the way, the statistics I posted about are pretty useless since the underlying assumptions are too simple to be accurate. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On October 06 2011 12:11 GMarshal wrote: I want to apologize for the huge clusterfuck this game turned out to be, sorry for the 5 or so people who cared, I sincerely hope your next game goes better than this. Bans will be handed out as soon as flamewheel posts the new ban list. As promised I will be handing them out like candy. Please take all ban discussion to the ban thread. Well, one can really blame it on player inactivity as well, but the Vote thing and inadvertent mod-kills didn't help.  Seeing the Mafia QT, I'm not surprised I got killed on Day 1. zany was dead anyway, Rayn was a bit too eager to push him, but I didn't have a good idea who the third guy was yet; but the way Josh pushed jish a bit too hard on the last day would have made me think if I was in Zanfada's position. Jish also screwed up, he could have made a more vigorous argument for Josh being scum, knowing Zanfada was a clear from Toad's analysis. My fault is that I was too obvious as pro-town, but getting killed would have alerted any active/lurking townie to having no Medic. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On October 05 2011 12:27 JoshKirby wrote: Please elaborate. It'd be odd, but definitely possible. A couple scenarios: 1) Knowing that he'll be called out for using "clues," zany uses a clue to accuse you, sacrificing himself in order to make one of the mafia members look like a guaranteed townie. 2) zany is a troll player who simply likes causing havoc in the games he plays. The post where he accuses Toadesstern of being mafia could support this. The wide range of strategies mafia can use is why it's very difficult to win when there's no information from a doctor/detective. Just realized on re-reading this post that this was a hardcore scum-tell. Why would Josh know zany's play?! | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
And my apologies to moderators one more time too. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On October 06 2011 13:18 zany_001 wrote: Yuss gg all, sorta. I should note my role claiming mafia was intentional and calculated; it was most probable that I would be lynched anyway (assuming active town lol) so I decide to go out and take toad with me. Rayn pulling out like that messed things up and I thought it would have been over without risky attempts like mine; plus me calling mafia drew suspicion away from josh, what little there was. Don't *ever* roleclaim mafia, you can fake dt or something, but claiming mafia is not playing to win, because it guarantees you will be lynched. Especially don't claim mafai 2 hours into day 2 when you can still divert the lynch -__- | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On October 06 2011 13:18 zany_001 wrote: Yuss gg all, sorta. I should note my role claiming mafia was intentional and calculated; it was most probable that I would be lynched anyway (assuming active town lol) so I decide to go out and take toad with me. Rayn pulling out like that messed things up and I thought it would have been over without risky attempts like mine; plus me calling mafia drew suspicion away from josh, what little there was. I got to agree here about the mafia claiming. He was dead anyway and nothing he could have said could have changed that. Maybe he should not have said it but it was not MEANT to be "cheating" ruining a game because I believe him when he says that he thoughts he's 99% dead. And even if there's only a 10% chance to get a townie as well, that's probably better than a 99% death IMO. So I'd like you to think about that as well gm. Also I think going after someone else here would have worked out better. If zany did that with jish instead of me, town oulde have been screwed preeeeetty much. On the josh lurking thing. I don't know, I had him voted on day1 so I was pretty sure he was mafia. At least I got a gut feeling he is. After those modkills I pmed wherebugs (a coach) to discuss my night actions and asked him what he thinks about my analysis. I basicly told him I don't know about zany, I am 90% sure about raynes and if rayne's red zany got to be red as well. For the 3rd mafia it's either josh, franzp (for not voting) or thnika (not voting, too). My mistake that I did not realize that those 2 where inactive at that point. Once they both flipped I was something like 70% sure abotu josh being red, which was the reason I checked him on night 2. Sadly I wasn't able to make you guys think that way too, neither on day1 nore on day 3 (day 2 was all about raynes and zany). Actually my conclusion in my final post said something like "I'm 99% sure zanfa is green, as well as me and about the two others I'm not sure. I'd say jish 30% mafa and josh 70%mafia" but reread it, thought from what the post is about it sounds actually the other way around (70%jish, 30% josh) and made it a 50/50. But yeah nothing "sure", just a gut feeling. Next time I'll listen to it :p Oh and about my checks. holy wtf, no I dod not check zanfa why would I even do that :p Raynes on night 1 who turned out to be red. Who would have thought after his claim! Josh on night 2 who turned out to be red. Even got the confirmation he's red and I asked sinani why he told me :p Btw about that math-post thingy, thought it's trivial. You stated that lynching a town, which is the worstcase for us makes dt and medic better because of 3/8 instead of 3/9 while having the same amount of days left. Well that's the mistake, the dayes change by 0,5 (that way we could have made one mislynch for example I think). Mafia can only kill one guy per night so a 3/9 chance isn't only a 3/9 chance but most likely a 3/9 and a 3/8 next day together, while a 3/8 is only a 3/8 Also around that post josh made a couple of turn arounds. First he said we need a lynch for town, telling people a modkill lynch is not going to help, next post he said a no-lynch probably would be the best for town. That sounded pretty strange, but giving it is a beginners game I thought you maybe did just change your mind. Was that change after we switched to zany? Because if it was after that switch we all made a mistake by not finding that quote in time :p I found those 2 quotes and thought they're looking odd, but didn't check at which time they were posted so I did not inclue them in my final post because it could have been just nothing, | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Thought that might make zanfa vote for josh instead but it didn't Maybe I just thought his posts are scumslips because I knew he is scum, don't know. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On October 06 2011 20:29 GMarshal wrote: Don't *ever* roleclaim mafia, you can fake dt or something, but claiming mafia is not playing to win, because it guarantees you will be lynched. Especially don't claim mafai 2 hours into day 2 when you can still divert the lynch -__- Seriously, don't ever do this. I don't care if you didn't "mean" to be cheating or that it was a ploy. There are rules in the OP. Those rules get followed. The moment you slip on those rules is the moment you say fuck you to the game. The rules said to play to win and claiming you are mafia and then "outting" your team is not only using an "outside-the-game" mechanic but also opens the way to everyone else trying to claim mafia and "outting others" and seeing if they'll get modkilled or not. Everyone knows outting your team is a bannable offense, a PERMANENT BANNABLE OFFENSE. So a fake "outting" not only confirms the other member as town but also doesn't work because since you won't be banned for a fake outting, everyone knows that. If you get lynched and flip mafia then: 1) you fake outted 2) the person you outted is town 3) you're mafia Another situation that could go down is that you're actually town, you pretend to out your team. You don't get banned. You claim that since you didn't get banned that you are not mafia. In both situations outside-the-game mechanics are used to prove yourself as either mafia or not. This is basically the same thing as comparing PMs. Don't ever do it again. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On October 07 2011 03:21 chaoser wrote: Seriously, don't ever do this. I don't care if you didn't "mean" to be cheating or that it was a ploy. There are rules in the OP. Those rules get followed. The moment you slip on those rules is the moment you say fuck you to the game. The rules said to play to win and claiming you are mafia and then "outting" your team is not only using an "outside-the-game" mechanic but also opens to way to everyone else trying to claim mafia and "outting others" and seeing if they'll get modkilled or not. Everyone knows outting your team is a bannable offense, a PERMANENT BANNABLE OFFENSE. So a fake "outting" not only confirms the other member as town but also doesn't work because since you won't be banned for a fake outting, everyone knows that. If you get lynched and flip mafia then: 1) you fake outted 2) the person you outted is town 3) you're mafia Another situation that could go down is that you're actually town, you pretend to out your team. You don't get banned. You claim that since you didn't get banned that you are not mafia. In both situations outside-the-game mechanics are used to prove yourself as either mafia or not. This is basically the same thing as comparing PMs. Don't ever do it again. This pretty much. I was saving the speil for the banlist, but chaoser beat me to it. It boils down to exploiting out of game mechanics. | ||
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