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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
October 06 2011 19:29 GMT
#301
I do agree that this was not correct because of what chaoser said and because it's in the rules. Just wanted to make sure that I think it was a mistake and not on purpose.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
October 06 2011 20:40 GMT
#302
On October 07 2011 04:01 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 03:21 chaoser wrote:
On October 06 2011 20:29 GMarshal wrote:
On October 06 2011 13:18 zany_001 wrote:
Yuss gg all, sorta.

I should note my role claiming mafia was intentional and calculated; it was most probable that I would be lynched anyway (assuming active town lol) so I decide to go out and take toad with me. Rayn pulling out like that messed things up and I thought it would have been over without risky attempts like mine; plus me calling mafia drew suspicion away from josh, what little there was.

Don't *ever* roleclaim mafia, you can fake dt or something, but claiming mafia is not playing to win, because it guarantees you will be lynched. Especially don't claim mafai 2 hours into day 2 when you can still divert the lynch -__-


Seriously, don't ever do this. I don't care if you didn't "mean" to be cheating or that it was a ploy. There are rules in the OP. Those rules get followed. The moment you slip on those rules is the moment you say fuck you to the game. The rules said to play to win and claiming you are mafia and then "outting" your team is not only using an "outside-the-game" mechanic but also opens to way to everyone else trying to claim mafia and "outting others" and seeing if they'll get modkilled or not.

Everyone knows outting your team is a bannable offense, a PERMANENT BANNABLE OFFENSE. So a fake "outting" not only confirms the other member as town but also doesn't work because since you won't be banned for a fake outting, everyone knows that. If you get lynched and flip mafia then:

1) you fake outted
2) the person you outted is town
3) you're mafia

Another situation that could go down is that you're actually town, you pretend to out your team. You don't get banned. You claim that since you didn't get banned that you are not mafia. In both situations outside-the-game mechanics are used to prove yourself as either mafia or not. This is basically the same thing as comparing PMs. Don't ever do it again.

This pretty much. I was saving the speil for the banlist, but chaoser beat me to it.

It boils down to exploiting out of game mechanics.

...
Nowhere in the rules does it say I can not role claim, nor does it say that I can't pretend that someone who is town is mafia. In fact, that would be good gameplay. My technique may have been unique to the situation, and perhaps very unexpected, but considering mafia is a game of deception, I think I was playing just fine. I was not trying to lose, I was trying to win through this special tactic. Whitera would approve, and you guys shouldn't mind that your players do unexpected things. If everyone followed a cookie cutter mafia style, mafia'd be pretty boring, and this mafia WAS pretty boring except for rayn and I's actions. Now, rayn's actions were bad because he was intentionally trying to lose, and he admits that. I was NOT trying to lose.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 06 2011 21:00 GMT
#303
See the thing is what if some asshole decides to claim Mafia and out his whole team? He will for sure get modkilled and the game is ruined.

By allowing what you did opens the door for Town players to say "I am Mafia, this is my team" and then by pointing out that he did not get modkilled confirm himself as Town. It just opens up a Pandora's Box of possible shit that is gaming the host and not actually playing the game.
wat
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 06 2011 21:08 GMT
#304
The only reasonable situation I've seen to claim mafia was an attempt to coordinate with a traitor at LYLO.

Another grey area situation I can forsee is when you know you are going to be lynched and want to "out" the identities of a Serial Killer or rival mafia team member. It technically might further your own win condition, but it could get sticky with a situation like Curu mentioned.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
October 06 2011 21:09 GMT
#305
True. I didn't actually think about that. <.<
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-06 21:19:11
October 06 2011 21:18 GMT
#306
Nowhere in the rules does it say I can not role claim, nor does it say that I can't pretend that someone who is town is mafia.


Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.

and probably this one applies too
7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.


Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.


It's not unique and unexpected. It's breaking the rules by forcing the host into a situation of modkilling.

The OP clearly states that handing out your mafia member list is cheating and will be severely punished. If you had actually handed out your list you would be automatically banned. If you hand out a fake list after claiming you are mafia, you are clearly forcing the host into deciding whether to modkill you or not. You didn't actually break any rules since you didn't out a real list and so technically you can't be modkilled but then that "non-modkill" can be seen by town as a "Mod Confirm" that you did nothing wrong aka you are townie.

If every single townie did that then the game becomes about being modkilled. Your tactic involved circumventing the rules and that doesn't fly here.
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
October 06 2011 23:17 GMT
#307
Rest assured I didn't intend to bring about the situation mentioned; the thought didn't even cross my mind that townies could claim mafia to confirm them being town. My thought patten was along the lines of this:
Rayn just messed up and is dead
I'm going to get lynched
If toad survives the night he'll win the game for mafia (at this stage we didn't know if there was a medic or detective)
UNLESS I go out saying toad is mafia, then he will be under suspicion tomorrow and josh has a good chance of winning.

And I was right.
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 07 2011 00:35 GMT
#308
On October 07 2011 08:17 zany_001 wrote:
Rest assured I didn't intend to bring about the situation mentioned; the thought didn't even cross my mind that townies could claim mafia to confirm them being town. My thought patten was along the lines of this:
Rayn just messed up and is dead
I'm going to get lynched
If toad survives the night he'll win the game for mafia (at this stage we didn't know if there was a medic or detective)
UNLESS I go out saying toad is mafia, then he will be under suspicion tomorrow and josh has a good chance of winning.

And I was right.


No you weren't, Toad was shot the night immediately after you died.

Therefore, it was obvious you were bsing and your claim didn't actually affect the lynch the next day.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 15:56:25
October 23 2011 15:56 GMT
#309
Opps.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
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