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On November 02 2011 12:30 Geosensation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:26 r.Evo wrote:On November 02 2011 12:22 Geosensation wrote:
Glad to see a bit more sense here on TL compared to youtube and reddit. Disciplining your children like this may not be considered the right way to parent now, but it is perfectly legal. I snooped around the Texas Attorney General's website on child abuse and found this:
The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. An act or omission is abusive only if “observable and material impairment” occurs as a result, or if it causes “substantial harm,” or exposes the child to risk of substantial harm.
Doesn't seem to me like it caused substantial harm or material impairment. YES it is hard to watch and pretty cruel, but parents have the discretion to discipline their children as they see fit.
Also it's just a belt, not a bat. It's not like he's going to kill her or break all the bones in her body. It's superficial harm.
He doesn't deserve to get thrown in jail, disbarred, or any other punishment because he has done nothing illegal based on the video alone. Stop freaking out everyone.
If I slap an adult in the face on the street, will he hit me back? Most likely. If a teacher hits a kid with the flat hand in the face to "teach him/her a lesson", will it go all over the place and will the teacher face consequences? Yes, most likely. If I beat my kid with a belt, multiple times just for the fun of it (HE KEEPS FUCKING COMING BACK IN FOR MORE. THEY USE TWO FUCKING BELTS AT ONE POINT), I can get away with it because "it was reasonable"? If that's the law, the law has to be changed. Why? Because it's inhumane. Plain and simple. So you feel like parents should be told by the government how to raise their kids? I'm sorry I just don't agree with that. The parent/child relationship is a special one and is treated as such by the law. If the government starts telling parents they can't discipline their children reasonably then the next thing you know children are suing their parents when they don't let them go to a concert they wanted or because they grounded them for a weekend for breaking some rule they set down. Sorry if it seems harsh to you but that's the way it is.
I'm thinking something like Of the people, by the people, for the people.
What the fuck is so reasonable about getting so pissed at your daughter that's almost an adult that she's using the internet to pirate whatever for whatever reason that you beat her and threaten to her THAT YOU WILL BEAT HER IN THE FACE WITH CLOSED FISTS? Only a coward, like this judge, would hit someone that wouldn't dare defend themselves. Only a coward would to need to resolve matters with violence. Have they ever tried... I don't know... taking away the internet? Or perhaps just moving the computer into their room? I would have to guess not because this video wouldn't exist if she weren't able to do what "she was told not to do".
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On November 02 2011 12:36 Geosensation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:31 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On November 02 2011 12:30 Geosensation wrote:On November 02 2011 12:26 r.Evo wrote:On November 02 2011 12:22 Geosensation wrote:
Glad to see a bit more sense here on TL compared to youtube and reddit. Disciplining your children like this may not be considered the right way to parent now, but it is perfectly legal. I snooped around the Texas Attorney General's website on child abuse and found this:
The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. An act or omission is abusive only if “observable and material impairment” occurs as a result, or if it causes “substantial harm,” or exposes the child to risk of substantial harm.
Doesn't seem to me like it caused substantial harm or material impairment. YES it is hard to watch and pretty cruel, but parents have the discretion to discipline their children as they see fit.
Also it's just a belt, not a bat. It's not like he's going to kill her or break all the bones in her body. It's superficial harm.
He doesn't deserve to get thrown in jail, disbarred, or any other punishment because he has done nothing illegal based on the video alone. Stop freaking out everyone.
If I slap an adult in the face on the street, will he hit me back? Most likely. If a teacher hits a kid with the flat hand in the face to "teach him/her a lesson", will it go all over the place and will the teacher face consequences? Yes, most likely. If I beat my kid with a belt, multiple times just for the fun of it (HE KEEPS FUCKING COMING BACK IN FOR MORE. THEY USE TWO FUCKING BELTS AT ONE POINT), I can get away with it because "it was reasonable"? If that's the law, the law has to be changed. Why? Because it's inhumane. Plain and simple. So you feel like parents should be told by the government how to raise their kids? I'm sorry I just don't agree with that. The parent/child relationship is a special one and is treated as such by the law. If the government starts telling parents they can't discipline their children reasonably then the next thing you know children are suing their parents when they don't let them go to a concert they wanted or because they grounded them for a weekend for breaking some rule they set down. Sorry if it seems harsh to you but that's the way it is. How do we go from "Cant beat child with belt" to "Cant tell children what to do"? There's a fucking enormous middle ground that we just magically teleported across to get to where you think we would be. It's a slippery slope example. The point is to show how the enormous middle ground will be eroded if what seems wrong, but is not unreasonable, is forbidden. I don't agree with parents using corporal punishment on their children but it's about as natural as any other form of parenting. I don't think the government should be getting involved in parenting when it isn't clear abuse which could result in actual harm to a child. side note: Hi Jinro <3 u
It is absolutely not as natural as any other form of parenting. What was seen in that video was serious child abuse and should be treated as such. I was beaten as a child as punishment for stupid shit that kids tend to do, I still don't see this as okay just because it happened to me and it was no big deal. Depending on the extent it can leave a child with lasting trauma, this is never okay, I have absolutely no problem with telling parents they can't hit their kids if it means protecting their children from potential abuse and future trauma.
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On November 02 2011 12:36 Geosensation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:31 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On November 02 2011 12:30 Geosensation wrote:On November 02 2011 12:26 r.Evo wrote:On November 02 2011 12:22 Geosensation wrote:
Glad to see a bit more sense here on TL compared to youtube and reddit. Disciplining your children like this may not be considered the right way to parent now, but it is perfectly legal. I snooped around the Texas Attorney General's website on child abuse and found this:
The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. An act or omission is abusive only if “observable and material impairment” occurs as a result, or if it causes “substantial harm,” or exposes the child to risk of substantial harm.
Doesn't seem to me like it caused substantial harm or material impairment. YES it is hard to watch and pretty cruel, but parents have the discretion to discipline their children as they see fit.
Also it's just a belt, not a bat. It's not like he's going to kill her or break all the bones in her body. It's superficial harm.
He doesn't deserve to get thrown in jail, disbarred, or any other punishment because he has done nothing illegal based on the video alone. Stop freaking out everyone.
If I slap an adult in the face on the street, will he hit me back? Most likely. If a teacher hits a kid with the flat hand in the face to "teach him/her a lesson", will it go all over the place and will the teacher face consequences? Yes, most likely. If I beat my kid with a belt, multiple times just for the fun of it (HE KEEPS FUCKING COMING BACK IN FOR MORE. THEY USE TWO FUCKING BELTS AT ONE POINT), I can get away with it because "it was reasonable"? If that's the law, the law has to be changed. Why? Because it's inhumane. Plain and simple. So you feel like parents should be told by the government how to raise their kids? I'm sorry I just don't agree with that. The parent/child relationship is a special one and is treated as such by the law. If the government starts telling parents they can't discipline their children reasonably then the next thing you know children are suing their parents when they don't let them go to a concert they wanted or because they grounded them for a weekend for breaking some rule they set down. Sorry if it seems harsh to you but that's the way it is. How do we go from "Cant beat child with belt" to "Cant tell children what to do"? There's a fucking enormous middle ground that we just magically teleported across to get to where you think we would be. It's a slippery slope example. The point is to show how the enormous middle ground will be eroded if what seems wrong, but is not unreasonable, is forbidden. I don't agree with parents using corporal punishment on their children but it's about as natural as any other form of parenting. I don't think the government should be getting involved in parenting when it isn't clear abuse which could result in actual harm to a child. side note: Hi Jinro <3 u
If beating your kid with a belt is equivalent to using vocal means to get your point across then this discussion makes no sense.
Oh, wait, he clearly tried using diplomatic ways of parenting before and everything failed so he had to beat the crap out of the evil, rampaging girl that was his daughter. And even IF everything else failed, it means they fucked up raising their child earlier.
Teaching someone that phsical or psychological violence has to be used as anything but an absolute last resort can't be good parenting. Period.
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On November 02 2011 12:30 Geosensation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:26 r.Evo wrote:On November 02 2011 12:22 Geosensation wrote:
Glad to see a bit more sense here on TL compared to youtube and reddit. Disciplining your children like this may not be considered the right way to parent now, but it is perfectly legal. I snooped around the Texas Attorney General's website on child abuse and found this:
The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. An act or omission is abusive only if “observable and material impairment” occurs as a result, or if it causes “substantial harm,” or exposes the child to risk of substantial harm.
Doesn't seem to me like it caused substantial harm or material impairment. YES it is hard to watch and pretty cruel, but parents have the discretion to discipline their children as they see fit.
Also it's just a belt, not a bat. It's not like he's going to kill her or break all the bones in her body. It's superficial harm.
He doesn't deserve to get thrown in jail, disbarred, or any other punishment because he has done nothing illegal based on the video alone. Stop freaking out everyone.
If I slap an adult in the face on the street, will he hit me back? Most likely. If a teacher hits a kid with the flat hand in the face to "teach him/her a lesson", will it go all over the place and will the teacher face consequences? Yes, most likely. If I beat my kid with a belt, multiple times just for the fun of it (HE KEEPS FUCKING COMING BACK IN FOR MORE. THEY USE TWO FUCKING BELTS AT ONE POINT), I can get away with it because "it was reasonable"? If that's the law, the law has to be changed. Why? Because it's inhumane. Plain and simple. So you feel like parents should be told by the government how to raise their kids?I'm sorry I just don't agree with that. The parent/child relationship is a special one and is treated as such by the law. If the government starts telling parents they can't discipline their children reasonably then the next thing you know children are suing their parents when they don't let them go to a concert they wanted or because they grounded them for a weekend for breaking some rule they set down. Sorry if it seems harsh to you but that's the way it is.
Yes, yes I do. There's plenty of rules of conduct in treating and raising your children that you should be forced to abide by. Not beating them violently with a belt is definitely part of that.
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Sweden33719 Posts
Btw, Its pretty clear that the wife was only participating cause she thought she could do it less painfully... -_- Not that that's all she should have done but still not a bad thing.
Anyway, his rhetoric is so fucked up I have a hard time believing its real.
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I was raised in the deep south (Mississippi) and I was spanked and subjected to corporal punishment in school as well. There is a difference in corporal punishment, spankings, and other forms of punishment than what this bully did to his own daughter. Their was always love in my parents eyes and the whole this hurts me more than you speil before the spanking, and they always let me know WHY i was getting spanked. To be honest just the threat of an ass whooping from my Dad was enough. Anyway what im trying to say is that this is NOT corporal punishment. This is abuse. That guy is WAILING on this girl with his full force behind every swing. And to add to that he is cussing, and the Mother is verbally abusing her right alonf side him. That is wrong plain and simple. I believe that parents have a right to discipline their children however they see fit, but once it starts happening like this, it becomes WRONG!
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On November 02 2011 12:30 Geosensation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:26 r.Evo wrote:On November 02 2011 12:22 Geosensation wrote:
Glad to see a bit more sense here on TL compared to youtube and reddit. Disciplining your children like this may not be considered the right way to parent now, but it is perfectly legal. I snooped around the Texas Attorney General's website on child abuse and found this:
The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. An act or omission is abusive only if “observable and material impairment” occurs as a result, or if it causes “substantial harm,” or exposes the child to risk of substantial harm.
Doesn't seem to me like it caused substantial harm or material impairment. YES it is hard to watch and pretty cruel, but parents have the discretion to discipline their children as they see fit.
Also it's just a belt, not a bat. It's not like he's going to kill her or break all the bones in her body. It's superficial harm.
He doesn't deserve to get thrown in jail, disbarred, or any other punishment because he has done nothing illegal based on the video alone. Stop freaking out everyone.
If I slap an adult in the face on the street, will he hit me back? Most likely. If a teacher hits a kid with the flat hand in the face to "teach him/her a lesson", will it go all over the place and will the teacher face consequences? Yes, most likely. If I beat my kid with a belt, multiple times just for the fun of it (HE KEEPS FUCKING COMING BACK IN FOR MORE. THEY USE TWO FUCKING BELTS AT ONE POINT), I can get away with it because "it was reasonable"? If that's the law, the law has to be changed. Why? Because it's inhumane. Plain and simple. So you feel like parents should be told by the government how to raise their kids? I'm sorry I just don't agree with that. The parent/child relationship is a special one and is treated as such by the law. If the government starts telling parents they can't discipline their children reasonably then the next thing you know children are suing their parents when they don't let them go to a concert they wanted or because they grounded them for a weekend for breaking some rule they set down. Sorry if it seems harsh to you but that's the way it is.
I really dont understand this point of view, the marital relationship is a special one, so the husband can beat the wife for X,Y,Z? No because society views this as terribly wrong, and to make sure there are no misunderstandings the government legislates to stop domestic abuse. (im sorry for the bad example but its the only way i feel i can explain how illogical i find your statement) Your argument regarding the floodgates being open on litigation of parents by their kids is also flawed as corporal punishment is prohibited in the majority of the EU and i've yet to see a case on the issues you raise.
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You are making a far too big deal out of this. I was kinda disturbed by it too, when I first skimmed over it, but on a second view-through you can clearly see how the situation evolved. He is never aiming to injure or permanently hurt her (only hits her legs because she refuses to turn around). It is clear he stepped over the line and it is not good practice especially on a 16 year old to do this kind of thing, but you can't tell people how to raise their children. Even the mother seems to disagree with how he handles the situation (she takes the belt herself and tries to get the daughter to turn around by talking to her and then spanks her only once).
We don't have any information about how often this argument had already come up and how it was handled. Maybe violence was his last resort after they had tried to resolve the matter "normally". Why did she make the video? She apparently knew this was gonna happen, but was it because he always handles arguments that way and abused her before, or was it because he threatened her with it and she still disobeyed knowing what would happen to then tape it? Did he regret his actions afterwards? Did he maybe even apologize? Was this the only time this happened?
I'm not jumping to any conclusions and neither should you. I certainly wouldn't do such things to my kids if I had any, but saying things like he should be executed/raped/killed/whatever are way overboard. I agree that he should at least be confronted publicly so he probably has to give up his career, but no hard legal action should be taken. I almost never (probably like 2 times in my whole childhood, like when I repeatedly called my mother a bitch or such hard cases) got physically punished by my parents, but I know I had particularly loving and caring parents. I know a lot of people in my age who did not have that fortune and they are not "forever scarred" or something. Most of our parents probably were raised with physical punishment and they turned out mentally healthy and with good relationships to their own parents. As long as things like this remain an exception and are not part of the regular family life, I don't see how it is that big of a deal.
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On November 02 2011 12:37 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:30 Geosensation wrote:On November 02 2011 12:26 r.Evo wrote:On November 02 2011 12:22 Geosensation wrote:
Glad to see a bit more sense here on TL compared to youtube and reddit. Disciplining your children like this may not be considered the right way to parent now, but it is perfectly legal. I snooped around the Texas Attorney General's website on child abuse and found this:
The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. An act or omission is abusive only if “observable and material impairment” occurs as a result, or if it causes “substantial harm,” or exposes the child to risk of substantial harm.
Doesn't seem to me like it caused substantial harm or material impairment. YES it is hard to watch and pretty cruel, but parents have the discretion to discipline their children as they see fit.
Also it's just a belt, not a bat. It's not like he's going to kill her or break all the bones in her body. It's superficial harm.
He doesn't deserve to get thrown in jail, disbarred, or any other punishment because he has done nothing illegal based on the video alone. Stop freaking out everyone.
If I slap an adult in the face on the street, will he hit me back? Most likely. If a teacher hits a kid with the flat hand in the face to "teach him/her a lesson", will it go all over the place and will the teacher face consequences? Yes, most likely. If I beat my kid with a belt, multiple times just for the fun of it (HE KEEPS FUCKING COMING BACK IN FOR MORE. THEY USE TWO FUCKING BELTS AT ONE POINT), I can get away with it because "it was reasonable"? If that's the law, the law has to be changed. Why? Because it's inhumane. Plain and simple. So you feel like parents should be told by the government how to raise their kids?I'm sorry I just don't agree with that. The parent/child relationship is a special one and is treated as such by the law. If the government starts telling parents they can't discipline their children reasonably then the next thing you know children are suing their parents when they don't let them go to a concert they wanted or because they grounded them for a weekend for breaking some rule they set down. Sorry if it seems harsh to you but that's the way it is. Stop making random arguments up. The government has to step in when someone gets physically abused. That's common sense. Whether it's a random person on the street or a 16 year old. Or a 10 year old. There is a thing called "excessive force". This 16 year old girl got hit by a full grown man as hard as he could. On top of that he forces all the guilt on her, comes back multiple times AFTER clearly establishing his point. As you said, REASONABLE discipline, sure, fine by me (even though I'm personally someone who believes that punishment is only neccessary if the parents fucked up somewhere else in the first place, but that's a different discussion). Hitting someone with a belt to prove your point is surely a great way to teach your children how to act as grown ups. Oh, wait.. How on earth can you call that reasonable? Random sidenote: I'd like to add that she seems to have a little sister (you can see her at 0:49 in that video). I sure hope that girl is fine. =/
lol it's not a random argument. I'm just basing it off the law not emotion. A grown man didn't just abuse some random 16 y/o off the street. It's his own daughter so he has significant authority to discipline her as he sees fit.
What this guy did is morally reprehensible and he seems like bad father and person based off of the video, but it's simply not illegal, parents are allowed to punish their children this way. Although I have been thinking about it and maybe he is venturing into unreasonable territory, but it's far from clear.
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Wow I thought I was immune to the shit on the internet, apparently not.
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On November 02 2011 12:36 Geosensation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:31 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On November 02 2011 12:30 Geosensation wrote:On November 02 2011 12:26 r.Evo wrote:On November 02 2011 12:22 Geosensation wrote:
Glad to see a bit more sense here on TL compared to youtube and reddit. Disciplining your children like this may not be considered the right way to parent now, but it is perfectly legal. I snooped around the Texas Attorney General's website on child abuse and found this:
The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. An act or omission is abusive only if “observable and material impairment” occurs as a result, or if it causes “substantial harm,” or exposes the child to risk of substantial harm.
Doesn't seem to me like it caused substantial harm or material impairment. YES it is hard to watch and pretty cruel, but parents have the discretion to discipline their children as they see fit.
Also it's just a belt, not a bat. It's not like he's going to kill her or break all the bones in her body. It's superficial harm.
He doesn't deserve to get thrown in jail, disbarred, or any other punishment because he has done nothing illegal based on the video alone. Stop freaking out everyone.
If I slap an adult in the face on the street, will he hit me back? Most likely. If a teacher hits a kid with the flat hand in the face to "teach him/her a lesson", will it go all over the place and will the teacher face consequences? Yes, most likely. If I beat my kid with a belt, multiple times just for the fun of it (HE KEEPS FUCKING COMING BACK IN FOR MORE. THEY USE TWO FUCKING BELTS AT ONE POINT), I can get away with it because "it was reasonable"? If that's the law, the law has to be changed. Why? Because it's inhumane. Plain and simple. So you feel like parents should be told by the government how to raise their kids? I'm sorry I just don't agree with that. The parent/child relationship is a special one and is treated as such by the law. If the government starts telling parents they can't discipline their children reasonably then the next thing you know children are suing their parents when they don't let them go to a concert they wanted or because they grounded them for a weekend for breaking some rule they set down. Sorry if it seems harsh to you but that's the way it is. How do we go from "Cant beat child with belt" to "Cant tell children what to do"? There's a fucking enormous middle ground that we just magically teleported across to get to where you think we would be. It's a slippery slope example. The point is to show how the enormous middle ground will be eroded if what seems wrong, but is not unreasonable, is forbidden. I don't agree with parents using corporal punishment on their children but it's about as natural as any other form of parenting. I don't think the government should be getting involved in parenting when it isn't clear abuse which could result in actual harm to a child. side note: Hi Jinro <3 u
Yea having 2 people beat their kids butt with 2 belts and coming back in over and over... Then Threatening that if she "looks at him wrong" or "raises her voice" to him or his wife He will be excited to beat her ass again. He threatens her and admits to enjoying beating her... Youre a sick fuck there is no middle ground with beating your daughter and threatening her.
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Seriously, what the fuck is all I could come up with. You get a lashing for USING THE INTERNET?! Also, if he wants to punish his children he has full right to do so, but corporal punishment is frankly "old times" when it was more socially acceptable. That was on males though, who whips their daughter like that nowadays?
"Let me get the knife"
After the mother takes a whip he comes back "I never got my lick in on her". He is clearly a sadistic sociopath, I'm disappointed how this guy makes a living judging people, when he's clearly lacking a few screws.
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This isn't about parenting or punishment or anything like that. This is abuse. I won't watch the video, the idea is too sickening.
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On November 02 2011 12:43 Maxtor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:30 Geosensation wrote:On November 02 2011 12:26 r.Evo wrote:On November 02 2011 12:22 Geosensation wrote:
Glad to see a bit more sense here on TL compared to youtube and reddit. Disciplining your children like this may not be considered the right way to parent now, but it is perfectly legal. I snooped around the Texas Attorney General's website on child abuse and found this:
The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. An act or omission is abusive only if “observable and material impairment” occurs as a result, or if it causes “substantial harm,” or exposes the child to risk of substantial harm.
Doesn't seem to me like it caused substantial harm or material impairment. YES it is hard to watch and pretty cruel, but parents have the discretion to discipline their children as they see fit.
Also it's just a belt, not a bat. It's not like he's going to kill her or break all the bones in her body. It's superficial harm.
He doesn't deserve to get thrown in jail, disbarred, or any other punishment because he has done nothing illegal based on the video alone. Stop freaking out everyone.
If I slap an adult in the face on the street, will he hit me back? Most likely. If a teacher hits a kid with the flat hand in the face to "teach him/her a lesson", will it go all over the place and will the teacher face consequences? Yes, most likely. If I beat my kid with a belt, multiple times just for the fun of it (HE KEEPS FUCKING COMING BACK IN FOR MORE. THEY USE TWO FUCKING BELTS AT ONE POINT), I can get away with it because "it was reasonable"? If that's the law, the law has to be changed. Why? Because it's inhumane. Plain and simple. So you feel like parents should be told by the government how to raise their kids? I'm sorry I just don't agree with that. The parent/child relationship is a special one and is treated as such by the law. If the government starts telling parents they can't discipline their children reasonably then the next thing you know children are suing their parents when they don't let them go to a concert they wanted or because they grounded them for a weekend for breaking some rule they set down. Sorry if it seems harsh to you but that's the way it is. I really dont understand this point of view, the marital relationship is a special one, so the husband can beat the wife for X,Y,Z? No because society views this as terribly wrong, and to make sure there are no misunderstandings the government legislates to stop domestic abuse. (im sorry for the bad example but its the only way i feel i can explain how illogical i find your statement) Your argument regarding the floodgates being open on litigation of parents by their kids is also flawed as corporal punishment is prohibited in the majority of the EU and i've yet to see a case on the issues you raise.
Haha you twisted what I said pretty bad. Husband/wife relationship is not the same as parent/child. One set is equal partners the other is not. Also corporal punishment is not prohibited in the USA so you are comparing apples to oranges.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 02 2011 12:44 MaGariShun wrote:
You are making a far too big deal out of this. I was kinda disturbed by it too, when I first skimmed over it, but on a second view-through you can clearly see how the situation evolved. He is never aiming to injure or permanently hurt her (only hits her legs because she refuses to turn around). It is clear he stepped over the line and it is not good practice especially on a 16 year old to do this kind of thing, but you can't tell people how to raise their children. Even the mother seems to disagree with how he handles the situation (she takes the belt herself and tries to get the daughter to turn around by talking to her and then spanks her only once).
We don't have any information about how often this argument had already come up and how it was handled. Maybe violence was his last resort after they had tried to resolve the matter "normally". Why did she make the video? She apparently knew this was gonna happen, but was it because he always handles arguments that way and abused her before, or was it because he threatened her with it and she still disobeyed knowing what would happen to then tape it? Did he regret his actions afterwards? Did he maybe even apologize? Was this the only time this happened?
I'm not jumping to any conclusions and neither should you. I certainly wouldn't do such things to my kids if I had any, but saying things like he should be executed/raped/killed/whatever are way overboard. I agree that he should at least be confronted publicly so he probably has to give up his career, but no hard legal action should be taken. I almost never (probably like 2 times in my whole childhood, like when I repeatedly called my mother a bitch or such hard cases) got physically punished by my parents, but I know I had particularly loving and caring parents. I know a lot of people in my age who did not have that fortune and they are not "forever scarred" or something. Most of our parents probably were raised with physical punishment and they turned out mentally healthy and with good relationships to their own parents. As long as things like this remain an exception and are not part of the regular family life, I don't see how it is that big of a deal.
Just about completely agree with what you said.
I personally think the video is blown somewhat out of proportion, I will admit it made me feel uncomfortable, but I don't think any video of a child being punished is going to not invoke that feeling. Though I do believe 16 is a little old to be spanking personally, that's still his right. It appeared that she knew full well of her father's rules and still disobeyed them, but obviously a 7 minute video doesn't show us exactly what the punishment was for so I can't really say.
I was punished as a kid using a variety of punishments that depended on the severity of the situation, sometimes I was grounded, sometimes I was spanked with a belt. I have no ill will towards my parents, as I believe it made me into a good upstanding citizen, could that have been attained not using the spanking method? Possibly, but I was definitely starting to "go down the wrong path" and I think spanking had a hand in changing that. I feel the act itself is not detrimental, but I do believe some parents are incapable of assessing the severity of the situation and punishing accordingly, thankfully I feel my parents did a pretty good job of that. On the other hand, I've had quite a few friends that were not punished by spanking and were very disrespectful to their parents and just generally little shitheads and I think spanking could have helped change that.
I find it very odd that many people in the thread are against corporal punishment in the home, but are replying with comments about how they would like to see the father beaten or killed because of this.
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United States27 Posts
wow.....i had to close that video.....wow
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On November 02 2011 12:45 socommaster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:36 Geosensation wrote:On November 02 2011 12:31 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On November 02 2011 12:30 Geosensation wrote:On November 02 2011 12:26 r.Evo wrote:On November 02 2011 12:22 Geosensation wrote:
Glad to see a bit more sense here on TL compared to youtube and reddit. Disciplining your children like this may not be considered the right way to parent now, but it is perfectly legal. I snooped around the Texas Attorney General's website on child abuse and found this:
The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. An act or omission is abusive only if “observable and material impairment” occurs as a result, or if it causes “substantial harm,” or exposes the child to risk of substantial harm.
Doesn't seem to me like it caused substantial harm or material impairment. YES it is hard to watch and pretty cruel, but parents have the discretion to discipline their children as they see fit.
Also it's just a belt, not a bat. It's not like he's going to kill her or break all the bones in her body. It's superficial harm.
He doesn't deserve to get thrown in jail, disbarred, or any other punishment because he has done nothing illegal based on the video alone. Stop freaking out everyone.
If I slap an adult in the face on the street, will he hit me back? Most likely. If a teacher hits a kid with the flat hand in the face to "teach him/her a lesson", will it go all over the place and will the teacher face consequences? Yes, most likely. If I beat my kid with a belt, multiple times just for the fun of it (HE KEEPS FUCKING COMING BACK IN FOR MORE. THEY USE TWO FUCKING BELTS AT ONE POINT), I can get away with it because "it was reasonable"? If that's the law, the law has to be changed. Why? Because it's inhumane. Plain and simple. So you feel like parents should be told by the government how to raise their kids? I'm sorry I just don't agree with that. The parent/child relationship is a special one and is treated as such by the law. If the government starts telling parents they can't discipline their children reasonably then the next thing you know children are suing their parents when they don't let them go to a concert they wanted or because they grounded them for a weekend for breaking some rule they set down. Sorry if it seems harsh to you but that's the way it is. How do we go from "Cant beat child with belt" to "Cant tell children what to do"? There's a fucking enormous middle ground that we just magically teleported across to get to where you think we would be. It's a slippery slope example. The point is to show how the enormous middle ground will be eroded if what seems wrong, but is not unreasonable, is forbidden. I don't agree with parents using corporal punishment on their children but it's about as natural as any other form of parenting. I don't think the government should be getting involved in parenting when it isn't clear abuse which could result in actual harm to a child. side note: Hi Jinro <3 u Yea having 2 people beat their kids butt with 2 belts and coming back in over and over... Then Threatening that if she "looks at him wrong" or "raises her voice" to him or his wife He will be excited to beat her ass again. He threatens her and admits to enjoying beating her... Youre a sick fuck there is no middle ground with beating your daughter and threatening her.
Wooah slow down on the personal attack there, I'm not defending him, just explaining my understanding of the law that governs the parent/child relationship.
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Ugh. Child abuse pisses me off so much. So fucking cowardly. This asshole probably just loves having weaker people around to get his power trip, and having a kid was just a lovely way to have a punching bag 24/7. Some people are just despicable.
There is a difference between calm, rational physical punishment for the purposes of discipline (which I still believe is silly) and letting out your anger through violence and physical intimidation toward someone younger and weaker than you, and using it to fucking validate your self-righteousness. The former is uneducated; the latter is just despicable.
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Alot of the anger seems to come from the fact that he is a judge, yet has such a skewed (my opinion) view of how impose his "justice" on his kid.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On November 02 2011 12:44 MaGariShun wrote:
You are making a far too big deal out of this. I was kinda disturbed by it too, when I first skimmed over it, but on a second view-through you can clearly see how the situation evolved. He is never aiming to injure or permanently hurt her (only hits her legs because she refuses to turn around). It is clear he stepped over the line and it is not good practice especially on a 16 year old to do this kind of thing, but you can't tell people how to raise their children. Even the mother seems to disagree with how he handles the situation (she takes the belt herself and tries to get the daughter to turn around by talking to her and then spanks her only once).
We don't have any information about how often this argument had already come up and how it was handled. Maybe violence was his last resort after they had tried to resolve the matter "normally". Why did she make the video? She apparently knew this was gonna happen, but was it because he always handles arguments that way and abused her before, or was it because he threatened her with it and she still disobeyed knowing what would happen to then tape it? Did he regret his actions afterwards? Did he maybe even apologize? Was this the only time this happened?
I'm not jumping to any conclusions and neither should you. I certainly wouldn't do such things to my kids if I had any, but saying things like he should be executed/raped/killed/whatever are way overboard. I agree that he should at least be confronted publicly so he probably has to give up his career, but no hard legal action should be taken. I almost never (probably like 2 times in my whole childhood, like when I repeatedly called my mother a bitch or such hard cases) got physically punished by my parents, but I know I had particularly loving and caring parents. I know a lot of people in my age who did not have that fortune and they are not "forever scarred" or something. Most of our parents probably were raised with physical punishment and they turned out mentally healthy and with good relationships to their own parents. As long as things like this remain an exception and are not part of the regular family life, I don't see how it is that big of a deal.
Turn around or I swear to god I'll beat your fucking face
Yeah. Not a big deal at all.
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