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I've never been so fucking mad in my life.
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On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:01 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:54 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. ....he beat the shit out of her for using a computer. how is that getting off easy? you're missing a point, in a household breaking the rules is breaking the rules now i have no idea about what went on before this incident or how it escalated to that point but rules are rules man and sometimes u have to lay them down. whether its for taking a cookie from the shelf or getting expelled from school im pretty sure you are missing the point here. he beat the shit out of her.....for playing internet games. thats not "laying down the law," thats beating the shit out of her. it would be just "beating the shit out of her" if he didn't specify that she was not supposed to play internet games but how do u know that there was never such a mentioning? so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified. good to know
you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats?
in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man.
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On November 02 2011 13:00 pandaBee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:56 matjlav wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. Honestly it's not the physical acts that bother me as much as the whole psychology of it. The fact that he is using his daughter as a punching bag to let out his anger. This is how 6-year-olds should be dealing with anger, not grown men who are supposed to be role models for their children. daughter breaks rules >>> daddy gets angry >>> booty spanking i don't think there's a problem with this. daddy gets angry >> finds excuse to booty spank daughter >> finds excuse >> booty spanking this is a different matter entirely and i would argue that the process above is "wrong" but how do u know that it was the 2nd and not the 1st process?
yeah it could be the first but there should be a more rational punishment, esp at that age (16 i believe?)
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On November 02 2011 12:47 Geosensation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:43 Maxtor wrote:On November 02 2011 12:30 Geosensation wrote:On November 02 2011 12:26 r.Evo wrote:On November 02 2011 12:22 Geosensation wrote:
Glad to see a bit more sense here on TL compared to youtube and reddit. Disciplining your children like this may not be considered the right way to parent now, but it is perfectly legal. I snooped around the Texas Attorney General's website on child abuse and found this:
The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. An act or omission is abusive only if “observable and material impairment” occurs as a result, or if it causes “substantial harm,” or exposes the child to risk of substantial harm.
Doesn't seem to me like it caused substantial harm or material impairment. YES it is hard to watch and pretty cruel, but parents have the discretion to discipline their children as they see fit.
Also it's just a belt, not a bat. It's not like he's going to kill her or break all the bones in her body. It's superficial harm.
He doesn't deserve to get thrown in jail, disbarred, or any other punishment because he has done nothing illegal based on the video alone. Stop freaking out everyone.
If I slap an adult in the face on the street, will he hit me back? Most likely. If a teacher hits a kid with the flat hand in the face to "teach him/her a lesson", will it go all over the place and will the teacher face consequences? Yes, most likely. If I beat my kid with a belt, multiple times just for the fun of it (HE KEEPS FUCKING COMING BACK IN FOR MORE. THEY USE TWO FUCKING BELTS AT ONE POINT), I can get away with it because "it was reasonable"? If that's the law, the law has to be changed. Why? Because it's inhumane. Plain and simple. So you feel like parents should be told by the government how to raise their kids? I'm sorry I just don't agree with that. The parent/child relationship is a special one and is treated as such by the law. If the government starts telling parents they can't discipline their children reasonably then the next thing you know children are suing their parents when they don't let them go to a concert they wanted or because they grounded them for a weekend for breaking some rule they set down. Sorry if it seems harsh to you but that's the way it is. I really dont understand this point of view, the marital relationship is a special one, so the husband can beat the wife for X,Y,Z? No because society views this as terribly wrong, and to make sure there are no misunderstandings the government legislates to stop domestic abuse. (im sorry for the bad example but its the only way i feel i can explain how illogical i find your statement) Your argument regarding the floodgates being open on litigation of parents by their kids is also flawed as corporal punishment is prohibited in the majority of the EU and i've yet to see a case on the issues you raise. Haha you twisted what I said pretty bad. Husband/wife relationship is not the same as parent/child. One set is equal partners the other is not. Also corporal punishment is not prohibited in the USA so you are comparing apples to oranges.
Equal partners? it certainly didnt use to be that way, its become like that due to feminist movements and the like because of the unfair treatments suffered by women, People used to treat women like property, which by todays standards in modern society is unthinkable but used to be ok back then. Society learns over time and this learning improves the world we live in. Look, the fact that so many people object today to this man's actions does not strike you as odd, do you not believe your view of methods of child dicipline to be somewhat outdated? Also im not comparing USA and EU, im simply stating that legislation regarding corporal punishment exists in countries, the government is telling people how not parent, and it hasnt caused any issues that you're voicing, i dont see how it will cause these issues in the USA, if it appears fine in Spain, Germany etc.
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On November 02 2011 13:04 pandaBee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:01 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:54 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. ....he beat the shit out of her for using a computer. how is that getting off easy? you're missing a point, in a household breaking the rules is breaking the rules now i have no idea about what went on before this incident or how it escalated to that point but rules are rules man and sometimes u have to lay them down. whether its for taking a cookie from the shelf or getting expelled from school im pretty sure you are missing the point here. he beat the shit out of her.....for playing internet games. thats not "laying down the law," thats beating the shit out of her. it would be just "beating the shit out of her" if he didn't specify that she was not supposed to play internet games but how do u know that there was never such a mentioning? so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified. good to know you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats? in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man.
well we have an amendment against cruel and unusual punnishment..id kinda expect a judge to know about that. just because a guy litters a few times doesnt mean you can throw him in prison for life.
doing something as small as playing games shouldnt be punished by beating the crap out of her.
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On November 02 2011 13:05 vasculaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:00 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 matjlav wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. Honestly it's not the physical acts that bother me as much as the whole psychology of it. The fact that he is using his daughter as a punching bag to let out his anger. This is how 6-year-olds should be dealing with anger, not grown men who are supposed to be role models for their children. daughter breaks rules >>> daddy gets angry >>> booty spanking i don't think there's a problem with this. daddy gets angry >> finds excuse to booty spank daughter >> finds excuse >> booty spanking this is a different matter entirely and i would argue that the process above is "wrong" but how do u know that it was the 2nd and not the 1st process? yeah it could be the first but there should be a more rational punishment, esp at that age (16 i believe?)
well i can turn what u said around and say something like: the punishment should be more severe BECAUSE she is 16 (she is old enough to know to follow the rules and is less likely to be traumatized by a certain level of abuse than when she is a infant/child per se).
and besides life isn't fair man. some parents are super strict. some parents are really lax. its up to them to decide to what degree they want to take their parenting whether its harsh/relaxed/somewhere in between.
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On November 02 2011 13:06 hytonight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:04 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:01 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:54 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. ....he beat the shit out of her for using a computer. how is that getting off easy? you're missing a point, in a household breaking the rules is breaking the rules now i have no idea about what went on before this incident or how it escalated to that point but rules are rules man and sometimes u have to lay them down. whether its for taking a cookie from the shelf or getting expelled from school im pretty sure you are missing the point here. he beat the shit out of her.....for playing internet games. thats not "laying down the law," thats beating the shit out of her. it would be just "beating the shit out of her" if he didn't specify that she was not supposed to play internet games but how do u know that there was never such a mentioning? so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified. good to know you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats? in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man. well we have an amendment against cruel and unusual punnishment..id kinda expect a judge to know about that. just because a guy litters a few times doesnt mean you can throw him in prison for life. doing something as small as playing games shouldnt be punished by beating the crap out of her.
there is nothing "unusual" about getting spanked for breaking the rules
also there is nothing "cruel" about getting spanked for breaking the rules either she didn't suffer any permanent damage and the pain is temporary, also from my knowledge the spanking only lasted a minute or two and she is sixteen years old ffs she should know better at that age.
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On November 02 2011 13:06 hytonight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:04 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:01 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:54 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. ....he beat the shit out of her for using a computer. how is that getting off easy? you're missing a point, in a household breaking the rules is breaking the rules now i have no idea about what went on before this incident or how it escalated to that point but rules are rules man and sometimes u have to lay them down. whether its for taking a cookie from the shelf or getting expelled from school im pretty sure you are missing the point here. he beat the shit out of her.....for playing internet games. thats not "laying down the law," thats beating the shit out of her. it would be just "beating the shit out of her" if he didn't specify that she was not supposed to play internet games but how do u know that there was never such a mentioning? so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified. good to know you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats? in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man. well we have an amendment against cruel and unusual punnishment..id kinda expect a judge to know about that. just because a guy litters a few times doesnt mean you can throw him in prison for life. doing something as small as playing games shouldnt be punished by beating the crap out of her.
That's actually another great point. As he says multiple times, this is NOT about the issue of her playing games (or not disobeying a rule of his), it is about disobedience towards him in general which is plain fucked up.
Parenting should be about compliance, not about obedience. Slaves, soldiers and prisoners have to be obedient - the word has nothing to do with raising children.
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I could barely watch this, sick that a father can do that to his own daughter.
I'm 99% sure the daughter isn't the only one getting beat by this man. The way the mother trys to deflect blame for having the computer in the house onto her own daughter is pretty clearly her trying to avoid a beating as well. "It wasn't my idea, I told her, it's her fault, it's her idea."
I just can't imagine growing up in a family that treats each other this way.
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On November 02 2011 12:56 HawaiianPig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:30 Geosensation wrote:On November 02 2011 12:26 r.Evo wrote:On November 02 2011 12:22 Geosensation wrote:
Glad to see a bit more sense here on TL compared to youtube and reddit. Disciplining your children like this may not be considered the right way to parent now, but it is perfectly legal. I snooped around the Texas Attorney General's website on child abuse and found this:
The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. An act or omission is abusive only if “observable and material impairment” occurs as a result, or if it causes “substantial harm,” or exposes the child to risk of substantial harm.
Doesn't seem to me like it caused substantial harm or material impairment. YES it is hard to watch and pretty cruel, but parents have the discretion to discipline their children as they see fit.
Also it's just a belt, not a bat. It's not like he's going to kill her or break all the bones in her body. It's superficial harm.
He doesn't deserve to get thrown in jail, disbarred, or any other punishment because he has done nothing illegal based on the video alone. Stop freaking out everyone.
If I slap an adult in the face on the street, will he hit me back? Most likely. If a teacher hits a kid with the flat hand in the face to "teach him/her a lesson", will it go all over the place and will the teacher face consequences? Yes, most likely. If I beat my kid with a belt, multiple times just for the fun of it (HE KEEPS FUCKING COMING BACK IN FOR MORE. THEY USE TWO FUCKING BELTS AT ONE POINT), I can get away with it because "it was reasonable"? If that's the law, the law has to be changed. Why? Because it's inhumane. Plain and simple. So you feel like parents should be told by the government how to raise their kids? Yes? There are certain things that the defence of "raising my kids" does not protect. That claim has always been absurd to me. "They're my kids and the government should butt out." This is such a dehumanizing claim. One would make this same argument for how they handle their personal property. "It's my land and I can do what I want with it." The difference between what you do with and on your private property and how you raise your child is that the latter is a human being. They eventually come of age and enter society. It is public concern. Obviously, how a child is raised greatly impacts how they conduct themselves when they grow up. It needs to be done "properly." What's proper in this case? Very debatable, but "humane" is probably one word I'd assume most people would agree upon. Sticking your genitals together with someone else and making a child does not suddenly deem you to be an authority on what is the best way to raise a child. If beating is okay as a form of punishment, why not sexual abuse? Every time you disobey, daddy sticks it in you? Putting it that way is pretty graphic, yes, but do we not treat assault and sexual abuse as crimes among human beings in any other context? This isn't a matter of how they turn out; there is an immediate wrong in the assault of a person. Why is it a defence to say, "This is how I raise my kids and the government should butt out!" The point here is that this is a matter of public concern. Children are both human and citizens of the country they are in. The reason they are deprived of basic rights, such as the security of person, is a matter of cultural customs. When else is custom a good reason to assault someone? I've already discussed this, but I can see no reasonable argument in favour of corporal punishment as an effective way to teach children. If it's not absolutely necessary to raising a child, why do we allow this infringement of rights to persist? Many people are effectively raised without being beaten. I can see no reasonable answer to this question.
Sexual assault on children isn't allowed for parents, obviously. I think cultural custom is a good way to frame laws. That's why parents are given leeway in corporal punishment to their children. It's just the way parenting has traditionally been done. If everyone is doing something you can't make a law against it and turn the entire country into criminals (a good reason why cannabis shouldn't be criminalized) And as the custom moves away from corporal punishment and it is not longer accepted perhaps the law will change accordingly.
Of course it isn't a good way to teach children, I absolutely agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, we allow people to make mistakes, and I guess it extends to raising children in the wrong way. I might think that raising a child to believe in creationism and that homosexuals are an affront to the lord, but I shouldn't be able to curtail a parent's right to teach them that. I'm not trying to equate the example I just gave to maliciously beating a child to within an inch of their life. Just that reasonable corporal punishment is a mistake that we allow parents to make.
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This is meant to be abnormal?
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On November 02 2011 13:09 pandaBee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:06 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:04 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:01 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:54 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. ....he beat the shit out of her for using a computer. how is that getting off easy? you're missing a point, in a household breaking the rules is breaking the rules now i have no idea about what went on before this incident or how it escalated to that point but rules are rules man and sometimes u have to lay them down. whether its for taking a cookie from the shelf or getting expelled from school im pretty sure you are missing the point here. he beat the shit out of her.....for playing internet games. thats not "laying down the law," thats beating the shit out of her. it would be just "beating the shit out of her" if he didn't specify that she was not supposed to play internet games but how do u know that there was never such a mentioning? so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified. good to know you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats? in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man. well we have an amendment against cruel and unusual punnishment..id kinda expect a judge to know about that. just because a guy litters a few times doesnt mean you can throw him in prison for life. doing something as small as playing games shouldnt be punished by beating the crap out of her. there is nothing "unusual" about getting spanked for breaking the rules also there is nothing "cruel" about getting spanked for breaking the rules either she didn't suffer any permanent damage and the pain is temporary, also from my knowledge the spanking only lasted a minute or two and she is sixteen years old ffs she should know better at that age.
you could say the same thing about rape....and dont even pretend you can justify that
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On November 02 2011 13:08 pandaBee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:05 vasculaR wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 matjlav wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. Honestly it's not the physical acts that bother me as much as the whole psychology of it. The fact that he is using his daughter as a punching bag to let out his anger. This is how 6-year-olds should be dealing with anger, not grown men who are supposed to be role models for their children. daughter breaks rules >>> daddy gets angry >>> booty spanking i don't think there's a problem with this. daddy gets angry >> finds excuse to booty spank daughter >> finds excuse >> booty spanking this is a different matter entirely and i would argue that the process above is "wrong" but how do u know that it was the 2nd and not the 1st process? yeah it could be the first but there should be a more rational punishment, esp at that age (16 i believe?) well i can turn what u said around and say something like: the punishment should be more severe BECAUSE she is 16 (she is old enough to know to follow the rules and is less likely to be traumatized by a certain level of abuse than when she is a infant/child per se). and besides life isn't fair man. some parents are super strict. some parents are really lax. its up to them to decide to what degree they want to take their parenting whether its harsh/relaxed/somewhere in between.
Waitwaitwait.. what? The older someone is the harder the physical punishment should be? What kind of logic does that statement follow?
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On November 02 2011 13:00 pandaBee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:56 matjlav wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. Honestly it's not the physical acts that bother me as much as the whole psychology of it. The fact that he is using his daughter as a punching bag to let out his anger. This is how 6-year-olds should be dealing with anger, not grown men who are supposed to be role models for their children. daughter breaks rules >>> daddy gets angry >>> booty spanking i don't think there's a problem with this.
Nope, I completely disagree. There is definitely a problem with that. No one would ever suggest that it's okay for a civilized person to violently react to someone else making them angry, unless it's their child, then people seem to think that it's okay. That's fucked up. As a grown person, it is your job to ignore your instincts to start swinging your fists when you get angry.
Grown adults generally understand that they can't violently react to people who make them angry outside of their family, but shitbags like this guy do it when they're at home with their children because they know they'll get away with it and that their children are too weak to fight back. This is different from somberly spanking an 8-year-old post "this hurts you more than it hurts me." This is a coward abusing his power dynamic in the family. And there are tons of parents (including my dad) who have done this, though usually not to such an egregious extent.
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I feel like throwing up.
A simple belting like the mother did, okay fine that's part of household corporal punishment. But that redneck son of a bitch has no fucking right to be a parent. The punishment was over the top and why the fuck would he continually shout obscenities and punish her emotionally?
This isn't just discipline, this is a violent outburst. There's a huge difference.
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On November 02 2011 13:12 hytonight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:09 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:06 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:04 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:01 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:54 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. ....he beat the shit out of her for using a computer. how is that getting off easy? you're missing a point, in a household breaking the rules is breaking the rules now i have no idea about what went on before this incident or how it escalated to that point but rules are rules man and sometimes u have to lay them down. whether its for taking a cookie from the shelf or getting expelled from school im pretty sure you are missing the point here. he beat the shit out of her.....for playing internet games. thats not "laying down the law," thats beating the shit out of her. it would be just "beating the shit out of her" if he didn't specify that she was not supposed to play internet games but how do u know that there was never such a mentioning? so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified. good to know you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats? in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man. well we have an amendment against cruel and unusual punnishment..id kinda expect a judge to know about that. just because a guy litters a few times doesnt mean you can throw him in prison for life. doing something as small as playing games shouldnt be punished by beating the crap out of her. there is nothing "unusual" about getting spanked for breaking the rules also there is nothing "cruel" about getting spanked for breaking the rules either she didn't suffer any permanent damage and the pain is temporary, also from my knowledge the spanking only lasted a minute or two and she is sixteen years old ffs she should know better at that age. you could say the same thing about rape....and dont even pretend you can justify that
rape is not the same thing as getting a light booty spanking with a belt don't even try to make that comparison in this context
first off "rape" is by no means a physical punishment, it is a type of attack/assault that devastates both a victim's (yes, victim) mind and body.
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Girls playing computer games?
What none-sense! She must be corrected!
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I'm surprised she put up with the shit they did for quite a while.
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On November 02 2011 13:13 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:08 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:05 vasculaR wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 matjlav wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. Honestly it's not the physical acts that bother me as much as the whole psychology of it. The fact that he is using his daughter as a punching bag to let out his anger. This is how 6-year-olds should be dealing with anger, not grown men who are supposed to be role models for their children. daughter breaks rules >>> daddy gets angry >>> booty spanking i don't think there's a problem with this. daddy gets angry >> finds excuse to booty spank daughter >> finds excuse >> booty spanking this is a different matter entirely and i would argue that the process above is "wrong" but how do u know that it was the 2nd and not the 1st process? yeah it could be the first but there should be a more rational punishment, esp at that age (16 i believe?) well i can turn what u said around and say something like: the punishment should be more severe BECAUSE she is 16 (she is old enough to know to follow the rules and is less likely to be traumatized by a certain level of abuse than when she is a infant/child per se). and besides life isn't fair man. some parents are super strict. some parents are really lax. its up to them to decide to what degree they want to take their parenting whether its harsh/relaxed/somewhere in between. Waitwaitwait.. what? The older someone is the harder the physical punishment should be? What kind of logic does that statement follow?
Someone without logic. This guys either trolling or just as crazy as the judge.
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On November 02 2011 13:14 pandaBee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:12 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:09 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:06 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:04 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:01 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:54 hytonight wrote:
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....he beat the shit out of her for using a computer. how is that getting off easy? you're missing a point, in a household breaking the rules is breaking the rules now i have no idea about what went on before this incident or how it escalated to that point but rules are rules man and sometimes u have to lay them down. whether its for taking a cookie from the shelf or getting expelled from school im pretty sure you are missing the point here. he beat the shit out of her.....for playing internet games. thats not "laying down the law," thats beating the shit out of her. it would be just "beating the shit out of her" if he didn't specify that she was not supposed to play internet games but how do u know that there was never such a mentioning? so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified. good to know you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats? in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man. well we have an amendment against cruel and unusual punnishment..id kinda expect a judge to know about that. just because a guy litters a few times doesnt mean you can throw him in prison for life. doing something as small as playing games shouldnt be punished by beating the crap out of her. there is nothing "unusual" about getting spanked for breaking the rules also there is nothing "cruel" about getting spanked for breaking the rules either she didn't suffer any permanent damage and the pain is temporary, also from my knowledge the spanking only lasted a minute or two and she is sixteen years old ffs she should know better at that age. you could say the same thing about rape....and dont even pretend you can justify that rape is not the same thing as getting a light booty spanking with a belt don't even try to make that comparison in this context first off "rape" is by no means a physical punishment, it is a type of attack/assault that devastates both a victim's (yes, victim) mind and body.
light booty spanking? bro thats bullshit. and id call her a victim there who suffered an assault which did devastate her body and possibly her mind.
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