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On November 02 2011 13:21 hytonight wrote:
your father telling you to bend over and whipping you with a belt telling you to submit to him isn't psychologically damaging?
And twisted, in a more than likely sexual manner on the part of the dad?
Honest to god did anyone here get beat like this at 16 and not stand up to their parent? I couldn't possibly imagine someone who is physically and mentally healthy not just saying "this shit stops here" and hulking up on them.
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On November 02 2011 13:26 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:21 hytonight wrote:
your father telling you to bend over and whipping you with a belt telling you to submit to him isn't psychologically damaging? And twisted, in a more than likely sexual manner on the part of the dad? Honest to god did anyone here get beat like this at 16 and not stand up to their parent? I couldn't possibly imagine someone who is physically and mentally healthy not just saying "this shit stops here" and hulking up on them.
He was twice her size and she's 16, she would probably get beat down twice as bad.
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On November 02 2011 13:17 Choo wrote:Couldn't watch the whole video, too painful to listen to 
I hear you, I could barely handle more than a minute of it.
It makes my stomach turn, and my eyes burn.
He better get what's coming to him, because this is absolutely unforgivable.
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Anyone defending this guy, I challenge you to define child abuse in such a way that it does not describe what happened in that video. And don't give me some bullshit about it being justified because its teaching her life lessons or disciplining her. As soon as she moves out and her parents aren't around to "punish" her, she's going to start doing the things they punished her for because hey, they're not around anymore to punish her for it.
Seriously. Define child abuse, assault, or even just "beating" in such a way that it does not directly describe that video. This is a challenge.
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On November 02 2011 13:19 pandaBee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:16 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:14 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:12 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:09 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:06 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:04 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:01 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 hytonight wrote:
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im pretty sure you are missing the point here.
he beat the shit out of her.....for playing internet games. thats not "laying down the law," thats beating the shit out of her. it would be just "beating the shit out of her" if he didn't specify that she was not supposed to play internet games but how do u know that there was never such a mentioning? so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified. good to know you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats? in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man. well we have an amendment against cruel and unusual punnishment..id kinda expect a judge to know about that. just because a guy litters a few times doesnt mean you can throw him in prison for life. doing something as small as playing games shouldnt be punished by beating the crap out of her. there is nothing "unusual" about getting spanked for breaking the rules also there is nothing "cruel" about getting spanked for breaking the rules either she didn't suffer any permanent damage and the pain is temporary, also from my knowledge the spanking only lasted a minute or two and she is sixteen years old ffs she should know better at that age. you could say the same thing about rape....and dont even pretend you can justify that rape is not the same thing as getting a light booty spanking with a belt don't even try to make that comparison in this context first off "rape" is by no means a physical punishment, it is a type of attack/assault that devastates both a victim's (yes, victim) mind and body. light booty spanking? bro thats bullshit. and id call her a victim there who suffered an assault which did devastate her body and possibly her mind. to the degree of rape? if a belting like the one i saw in the video is enough to psychologically damage her to an extent for which legal action would be required then she must be one fragile girl. and by fragile i mean she must be in the mind of a 5 year old child.
Take the scenario in the video and replace the mother with the daughter as the one being whipped. No one in their right mind would ever consider that reasonable, it would be considered assault/abuse and would most likely be psychologically damaging. (not to the extent of rape of course) Why is does assault all of a sudden become okay when it's your child when the exact same action against any other human being would be considered universally appalling.
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On November 02 2011 13:26 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:21 hytonight wrote:
your father telling you to bend over and whipping you with a belt telling you to submit to him isn't psychologically damaging? And twisted, in a more than likely sexual manner on the part of the dad? Honest to god did anyone here get beat like this at 16 and not stand up to their parent? I couldn't possibly imagine someone who is physically and mentally healthy not just saying "this shit stops here" and hulking up on them.
I would imagine that scenario is more common for males than females.
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She has had ataxic cerebral palsy from birth.
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what a fucking hero he probably should have put a cape on before he did it. at least Texas still has the death penalty.
well he probably wont get the death penalty but we can all hope right?
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On November 02 2011 13:25 pandaBee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:22 matjlav wrote:On November 02 2011 13:17 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:13 matjlav wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 matjlav wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. Honestly it's not the physical acts that bother me as much as the whole psychology of it. The fact that he is using his daughter as a punching bag to let out his anger. This is how 6-year-olds should be dealing with anger, not grown men who are supposed to be role models for their children. daughter breaks rules >>> daddy gets angry >>> booty spanking i don't think there's a problem with this. Nope, I completely disagree. There is definitely a problem with that. No one would ever suggest that it's okay for a civilized person to violently react to someone else making them angry, unless it's their child, then people seem to think that it's okay. That's fucked up. As a grown person, it is your job to ignore your instincts to start swinging your fists when you get angry. Grown adults generally understand that they can't violently react to people who make them angry outside of their family, but shitbags like this guy do it when they're at home with their children because they know they'll get away with it and that their children are too weak to fight back. This is different from somberly spanking an 8-year-old post "this hurts you more than it hurts me." This is a coward abusing his power dynamic in the family. And there are tons of parents (including my dad) who have done this, though usually not to such an egregious extent. Ofc there is a "Ideal" that you believe in that parents should strive for but that doesn't confine the freedoms and choices of parents just because you think so in that way. also how do u know that he's not whipping out the belt just because he's angry? how do u know that he has no justification for doing so (i.e. breaking pre established rules) ? im not talking about the guys personal life in general im talking about the act of disciplining your child. Just look at the guy. That is not how someone acts when they just want to discipline their child so that they will grow up to be a better person. Watching 5 seconds of the video that I randomly picked just now, he says "Bend over or I'll slap your fucking face" and then grabs his daughters face before throwing her toward the wall. That's not parenting; that's a man assaulting someone out of immature rage. And no, assault is not a "freedom" of a parent. (I really hope you never become a parent if you find this at all justifiable.) In the video he was trying to make her turn over so he could slap her ass and NOT her face (obviously he did not awnt to damage her leave long lasting scars in cruelly visible areas of her body, what's wrong with that?)
"And if your kids give you any lip you can beat them with a sack of Valencia oranges. It won't leave a bruise and it'll let 'em know who's boss"
This dude was laying into it, he was aiming to do as much damage with this belt as possible.
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On November 02 2011 13:29 Phyre wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:19 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:16 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:14 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:12 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:09 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:06 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:04 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:01 pandaBee wrote:
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it would be just "beating the shit out of her" if he didn't specify that she was not supposed to play internet games
but how do u know that there was never such a mentioning? so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified. good to know you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats? in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man. well we have an amendment against cruel and unusual punnishment..id kinda expect a judge to know about that. just because a guy litters a few times doesnt mean you can throw him in prison for life. doing something as small as playing games shouldnt be punished by beating the crap out of her. there is nothing "unusual" about getting spanked for breaking the rules also there is nothing "cruel" about getting spanked for breaking the rules either she didn't suffer any permanent damage and the pain is temporary, also from my knowledge the spanking only lasted a minute or two and she is sixteen years old ffs she should know better at that age. you could say the same thing about rape....and dont even pretend you can justify that rape is not the same thing as getting a light booty spanking with a belt don't even try to make that comparison in this context first off "rape" is by no means a physical punishment, it is a type of attack/assault that devastates both a victim's (yes, victim) mind and body. light booty spanking? bro thats bullshit. and id call her a victim there who suffered an assault which did devastate her body and possibly her mind. to the degree of rape? if a belting like the one i saw in the video is enough to psychologically damage her to an extent for which legal action would be required then she must be one fragile girl. and by fragile i mean she must be in the mind of a 5 year old child. Take the scenario in the video and replace the mother with the daughter as the one being whipped. No one in their right mind would ever consider that reasonable, it would be considered assault/abuse and would most likely be psychologically damaging. (not to the extent of rape of course) Why is does assault all of a sudden become okay when it's your child when the exact same action against any other human being would be considered universally appalling.
of course it's not more reasonable but if it's the same degree of belt whipping as done to the 16 yo than the mother would have a easier time dealing with such a experience as she is more mature and experienced.
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On November 02 2011 13:20 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:17 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:13 matjlav wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 matjlav wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. Honestly it's not the physical acts that bother me as much as the whole psychology of it. The fact that he is using his daughter as a punching bag to let out his anger. This is how 6-year-olds should be dealing with anger, not grown men who are supposed to be role models for their children. daughter breaks rules >>> daddy gets angry >>> booty spanking i don't think there's a problem with this. Nope, I completely disagree. There is definitely a problem with that. No one would ever suggest that it's okay for a civilized person to violently react to someone else making them angry, unless it's their child, then people seem to think that it's okay. That's fucked up. As a grown person, it is your job to ignore your instincts to start swinging your fists when you get angry. Grown adults generally understand that they can't violently react to people who make them angry outside of their family, but shitbags like this guy do it when they're at home with their children because they know they'll get away with it and that their children are too weak to fight back. This is different from somberly spanking an 8-year-old post "this hurts you more than it hurts me." This is a coward abusing his power dynamic in the family. And there are tons of parents (including my dad) who have done this, though usually not to such an egregious extent. Ofc there is a "Ideal" that you believe in that parents should strive for but that doesn't confine the freedoms and choices of parents just because you think so in that way. also how do u know that he's not whipping out the belt just because he's angry? how do u know that he has no justification for doing so (i.e. breaking pre established rules) ? im not talking about the guys personal life in general im talking about the act of disciplining your child. There seem to be two camps on this, I'm in the camp of it doesn't fucking matter if he's beating her because he's angry or because he thinks it's good parenting. It's child abuse regardless, beating the shit out of a defenseless individual isn't okay in any other regard, why should it be alright when dealing with children, I don't see the reasoning here. Because it's their child? Doesn't fucking matter, birthing someone should not give you the liberty to abuse them.
I never said that I think it's alright. I just said that I don't have as much of an utter contempt for a calm spanking out of a genuine wish for your child to learn a lesson. That's just people with a different opinion on the best way to raise a child, and I really don't see how it can be seen as psychologically damaging. A beating like the one in the video is never justified, however.
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On November 02 2011 13:31 Renent wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:25 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:22 matjlav wrote:On November 02 2011 13:17 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:13 matjlav wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 matjlav wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. Honestly it's not the physical acts that bother me as much as the whole psychology of it. The fact that he is using his daughter as a punching bag to let out his anger. This is how 6-year-olds should be dealing with anger, not grown men who are supposed to be role models for their children. daughter breaks rules >>> daddy gets angry >>> booty spanking i don't think there's a problem with this. Nope, I completely disagree. There is definitely a problem with that. No one would ever suggest that it's okay for a civilized person to violently react to someone else making them angry, unless it's their child, then people seem to think that it's okay. That's fucked up. As a grown person, it is your job to ignore your instincts to start swinging your fists when you get angry. Grown adults generally understand that they can't violently react to people who make them angry outside of their family, but shitbags like this guy do it when they're at home with their children because they know they'll get away with it and that their children are too weak to fight back. This is different from somberly spanking an 8-year-old post "this hurts you more than it hurts me." This is a coward abusing his power dynamic in the family. And there are tons of parents (including my dad) who have done this, though usually not to such an egregious extent. Ofc there is a "Ideal" that you believe in that parents should strive for but that doesn't confine the freedoms and choices of parents just because you think so in that way. also how do u know that he's not whipping out the belt just because he's angry? how do u know that he has no justification for doing so (i.e. breaking pre established rules) ? im not talking about the guys personal life in general im talking about the act of disciplining your child. Just look at the guy. That is not how someone acts when they just want to discipline their child so that they will grow up to be a better person. Watching 5 seconds of the video that I randomly picked just now, he says "Bend over or I'll slap your fucking face" and then grabs his daughters face before throwing her toward the wall. That's not parenting; that's a man assaulting someone out of immature rage. And no, assault is not a "freedom" of a parent. (I really hope you never become a parent if you find this at all justifiable.) In the video he was trying to make her turn over so he could slap her ass and NOT her face (obviously he did not awnt to damage her leave long lasting scars in cruelly visible areas of her body, what's wrong with that?) "And if your kids give you any lip you can beat them with a sack of Valencia oranges. It won't leave a bruise and it'll let 'em know who's boss" This dude was laying into it, he was aiming to do as much damage with this belt as possible.
of course it wouldn't be a ass whoopin' if it din hurt none sug.
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On November 02 2011 13:27 LeaD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:26 OuchyDathurts wrote:On November 02 2011 13:21 hytonight wrote:
your father telling you to bend over and whipping you with a belt telling you to submit to him isn't psychologically damaging? And twisted, in a more than likely sexual manner on the part of the dad? Honest to god did anyone here get beat like this at 16 and not stand up to their parent? I couldn't possibly imagine someone who is physically and mentally healthy not just saying "this shit stops here" and hulking up on them. He was twice her size and she's 16, she would probably get beat down twice as bad.
She also has Palsy which makes it even more reprehensible, but it also takes out the "healthy" portion of my question.. Between that and being a girl I'm not entirely shocked she didn't fight back. But as a 16 year old boy that isn't flying. Hell, my sister and me have never gotten along and if I caught my dad doing that to her I'd step in.
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On November 02 2011 13:31 pandaBee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:29 Phyre wrote:On November 02 2011 13:19 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:16 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:14 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:12 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:09 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:06 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:04 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:
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so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified.
good to know you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats? in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man. well we have an amendment against cruel and unusual punnishment..id kinda expect a judge to know about that. just because a guy litters a few times doesnt mean you can throw him in prison for life. doing something as small as playing games shouldnt be punished by beating the crap out of her. there is nothing "unusual" about getting spanked for breaking the rules also there is nothing "cruel" about getting spanked for breaking the rules either she didn't suffer any permanent damage and the pain is temporary, also from my knowledge the spanking only lasted a minute or two and she is sixteen years old ffs she should know better at that age. you could say the same thing about rape....and dont even pretend you can justify that rape is not the same thing as getting a light booty spanking with a belt don't even try to make that comparison in this context first off "rape" is by no means a physical punishment, it is a type of attack/assault that devastates both a victim's (yes, victim) mind and body. light booty spanking? bro thats bullshit. and id call her a victim there who suffered an assault which did devastate her body and possibly her mind. to the degree of rape? if a belting like the one i saw in the video is enough to psychologically damage her to an extent for which legal action would be required then she must be one fragile girl. and by fragile i mean she must be in the mind of a 5 year old child. Take the scenario in the video and replace the mother with the daughter as the one being whipped. No one in their right mind would ever consider that reasonable, it would be considered assault/abuse and would most likely be psychologically damaging. (not to the extent of rape of course) Why is does assault all of a sudden become okay when it's your child when the exact same action against any other human being would be considered universally appalling. of course it's not more reasonable but if it's the same degree of belt whipping as done to the 16 yo than the mother would have a easier time dealing with such a experience as she is more mature and experienced.
and she married this man....you really think it would be easy having the man closest to you trying his best to cause as much damage to your body as possible?
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It's kind of upside down to see how fast the views on "good parenting" have shifted. I was beaten as a child. It wasn't fun. If anything, I still hate my dad up to this day and if I can, I avoid being near him when possible. I can say I grew up more tolerable as a child (given I didn't talk at all in class and I still don't), but I grew up less tolerable of people in general. I was often beat for having grades that "didn't meet expectations" (given the hypocrisy that my dad still remains unemployed) but is that a cultural idea or a general idea? (Yes I'm asian.) But as a child, what can you do? The only thing you can really do at that age is run away, hide in your closet, and cry after the beating. The ability to invoke fear is a very strong power, but it doesn't teach anyone anything.
There's a big difference between discipline and abuse. I do believe a lot of parents do beat their children as a form of discipline; it's just not something that isn't addressed seriously, unfortunately.
Also...
The judge's wife was emotionally abused herself and was severely manipulated into assisting the beating and should not be blamed for any content in this video. The judge's wife has since left the marriage due to the abuse, which continues to this day, and has sincerely apologized and repented for her part and for allowing such a thing, long before this video was even revealed to exist.
Damn.
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On November 02 2011 13:23 HawaiianPig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:11 Geosensation wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 HawaiianPig wrote:On November 02 2011 12:30 Geosensation wrote:On November 02 2011 12:26 r.Evo wrote:On November 02 2011 12:22 Geosensation wrote:
Glad to see a bit more sense here on TL compared to youtube and reddit. Disciplining your children like this may not be considered the right way to parent now, but it is perfectly legal. I snooped around the Texas Attorney General's website on child abuse and found this:
The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. An act or omission is abusive only if “observable and material impairment” occurs as a result, or if it causes “substantial harm,” or exposes the child to risk of substantial harm.
Doesn't seem to me like it caused substantial harm or material impairment. YES it is hard to watch and pretty cruel, but parents have the discretion to discipline their children as they see fit.
Also it's just a belt, not a bat. It's not like he's going to kill her or break all the bones in her body. It's superficial harm.
He doesn't deserve to get thrown in jail, disbarred, or any other punishment because he has done nothing illegal based on the video alone. Stop freaking out everyone.
If I slap an adult in the face on the street, will he hit me back? Most likely. If a teacher hits a kid with the flat hand in the face to "teach him/her a lesson", will it go all over the place and will the teacher face consequences? Yes, most likely. If I beat my kid with a belt, multiple times just for the fun of it (HE KEEPS FUCKING COMING BACK IN FOR MORE. THEY USE TWO FUCKING BELTS AT ONE POINT), I can get away with it because "it was reasonable"? If that's the law, the law has to be changed. Why? Because it's inhumane. Plain and simple. So you feel like parents should be told by the government how to raise their kids? Yes? There are certain things that the defence of "raising my kids" does not protect. That claim has always been absurd to me. "They're my kids and the government should butt out." This is such a dehumanizing claim. One would make this same argument for how they handle their personal property. "It's my land and I can do what I want with it." The difference between what you do with and on your private property and how you raise your child is that the latter is a human being. They eventually come of age and enter society. It is public concern. Obviously, how a child is raised greatly impacts how they conduct themselves when they grow up. It needs to be done "properly." What's proper in this case? Very debatable, but "humane" is probably one word I'd assume most people would agree upon. Sticking your genitals together with someone else and making a child does not suddenly deem you to be an authority on what is the best way to raise a child. If beating is okay as a form of punishment, why not sexual abuse? Every time you disobey, daddy sticks it in you? Putting it that way is pretty graphic, yes, but do we not treat assault and sexual abuse as crimes among human beings in any other context? This isn't a matter of how they turn out; there is an immediate wrong in the assault of a person. Why is it a defence to say, "This is how I raise my kids and the government should butt out!" The point here is that this is a matter of public concern. Children are both human and citizens of the country they are in. The reason they are deprived of basic rights, such as the security of person, is a matter of cultural customs. When else is custom a good reason to assault someone? I've already discussed this, but I can see no reasonable argument in favour of corporal punishment as an effective way to teach children. If it's not absolutely necessary to raising a child, why do we allow this infringement of rights to persist? Many people are effectively raised without being beaten. I can see no reasonable answer to this question. Sexual assault on children isn't allowed for parents, obviously. I think cultural custom is a good way to frame laws. That's why parents are given leeway in corporal punishment to their children. It's just the way parenting has traditionally been done. If everyone is doing something you can't make a law against it and turn the entire country into criminals (a good reason why cannabis shouldn't be criminalized) And as the custom moves away from corporal punishment and it is not longer accepted perhaps the law will change accordingly. I agree with this, and I feel we are at a turning point with respect to the law. If you followed the link in my post, you'll see that my parents raised me with corporal punishment as well. Would I seek damages against my parents? No. Do I think it should be possible? Yes, I think we have come to a point in society where we feel that assault of a person in any form is "wrong." .
Heres the thing though, I got a good smacking when I did something stupid as a kid and thats fine, but frankly there are better ways to solve a problem like internet addiction. That isnt just simply being bad.
I dont doubt that the girl was probably being rude to her parents, because soo many teenagers are like that and frankly that happens, problem is capital punishment at that point stops working. It will only make your kid hate you. Like I said I used to get my ass kicked all the time but I can promise you my parents dont love me any less than any others and they mean the world to me.
After a point if they didnt like something I did they methodology changed accordingly. So if I was say 15 and played CS all night. The computer was taken away. Problem solved, I stopped did something else. I hated it but Im better for it.
Ofcourse the girls situation is unique and its a bit hard to comment on how she was behaving, regardless the belting was just out of order period. It just wont work kids that age will hate you for beating them. And frankly he was enjoying doing it no one gets beat that long if the parent just wants to teach them a lesson. heck he tried to go for round 2.
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i broke my phone watching this.......im so fucking angry right now
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On November 02 2011 13:25 pandaBee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:22 matjlav wrote:On November 02 2011 13:17 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:13 matjlav wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 matjlav wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. Honestly it's not the physical acts that bother me as much as the whole psychology of it. The fact that he is using his daughter as a punching bag to let out his anger. This is how 6-year-olds should be dealing with anger, not grown men who are supposed to be role models for their children. daughter breaks rules >>> daddy gets angry >>> booty spanking i don't think there's a problem with this. Nope, I completely disagree. There is definitely a problem with that. No one would ever suggest that it's okay for a civilized person to violently react to someone else making them angry, unless it's their child, then people seem to think that it's okay. That's fucked up. As a grown person, it is your job to ignore your instincts to start swinging your fists when you get angry. Grown adults generally understand that they can't violently react to people who make them angry outside of their family, but shitbags like this guy do it when they're at home with their children because they know they'll get away with it and that their children are too weak to fight back. This is different from somberly spanking an 8-year-old post "this hurts you more than it hurts me." This is a coward abusing his power dynamic in the family. And there are tons of parents (including my dad) who have done this, though usually not to such an egregious extent. Ofc there is a "Ideal" that you believe in that parents should strive for but that doesn't confine the freedoms and choices of parents just because you think so in that way. also how do u know that he's not whipping out the belt just because he's angry? how do u know that he has no justification for doing so (i.e. breaking pre established rules) ? im not talking about the guys personal life in general im talking about the act of disciplining your child. Just look at the guy. That is not how someone acts when they just want to discipline their child so that they will grow up to be a better person. Watching 5 seconds of the video that I randomly picked just now, he says "Bend over or I'll slap your fucking face" and then grabs his daughters face before throwing her toward the wall. That's not parenting; that's a man assaulting someone out of immature rage. And no, assault is not a "freedom" of a parent. (I really hope you never become a parent if you find this at all justifiable.) In the video he was trying to make her turn over so he could slap her ass and NOT her face (obviously he did not awnt to damage her leave long lasting scars in cruelly visible areas of her body, what's wrong with that?)
Wow, talk about missing the forest for the trees. My point is that that is not the behavior of a rational parent trying to teach their child good behavior.
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On November 02 2011 13:12 hytonight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:09 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:06 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:04 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:01 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:54 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. ....he beat the shit out of her for using a computer. how is that getting off easy? you're missing a point, in a household breaking the rules is breaking the rules now i have no idea about what went on before this incident or how it escalated to that point but rules are rules man and sometimes u have to lay them down. whether its for taking a cookie from the shelf or getting expelled from school im pretty sure you are missing the point here. he beat the shit out of her.....for playing internet games. thats not "laying down the law," thats beating the shit out of her. it would be just "beating the shit out of her" if he didn't specify that she was not supposed to play internet games but how do u know that there was never such a mentioning? so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified. good to know you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats? in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man. well we have an amendment against cruel and unusual punnishment..id kinda expect a judge to know about that. just because a guy litters a few times doesnt mean you can throw him in prison for life. doing something as small as playing games shouldnt be punished by beating the crap out of her. there is nothing "unusual" about getting spanked for breaking the rules also there is nothing "cruel" about getting spanked for breaking the rules either she didn't suffer any permanent damage and the pain is temporary, also from my knowledge the spanking only lasted a minute or two and she is sixteen years old ffs she should know better at that age. you could say the same thing about rape....and dont even pretend you can justify that
Stop trolling, punishing your child and raping someone are so different it doesn't deserve an explanation.
On November 02 2011 13:10 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:06 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:04 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:01 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:54 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. ....he beat the shit out of her for using a computer. how is that getting off easy? you're missing a point, in a household breaking the rules is breaking the rules now i have no idea about what went on before this incident or how it escalated to that point but rules are rules man and sometimes u have to lay them down. whether its for taking a cookie from the shelf or getting expelled from school im pretty sure you are missing the point here. he beat the shit out of her.....for playing internet games. thats not "laying down the law," thats beating the shit out of her. it would be just "beating the shit out of her" if he didn't specify that she was not supposed to play internet games but how do u know that there was never such a mentioning? so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified. good to know you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats? in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man. well we have an amendment against cruel and unusual punnishment..id kinda expect a judge to know about that. just because a guy litters a few times doesnt mean you can throw him in prison for life. doing something as small as playing games shouldnt be punished by beating the crap out of her. That's actually another great point. As he says multiple times, this is NOT about the issue of her playing games (or not disobeying a rule of his), it is about disobedience towards him in general which is plain fucked up. Parenting should be about compliance, not about obedience. Slaves, soldiers and prisoners have to be obedient - the word has nothing to do with raising children.
That's your opinion; your parents shelter, clothe, feed and teach/raise you, so I believe children should be obedient to them, if you don't agree with the rules they set, you can move out.
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On November 02 2011 13:33 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:27 LeaD wrote:On November 02 2011 13:26 OuchyDathurts wrote:On November 02 2011 13:21 hytonight wrote:
your father telling you to bend over and whipping you with a belt telling you to submit to him isn't psychologically damaging? And twisted, in a more than likely sexual manner on the part of the dad? Honest to god did anyone here get beat like this at 16 and not stand up to their parent? I couldn't possibly imagine someone who is physically and mentally healthy not just saying "this shit stops here" and hulking up on them. He was twice her size and she's 16, she would probably get beat down twice as bad. She also has Palsy which makes it even more reprehensible, but it also takes out the "healthy" portion of my question.. Between that and being a girl I'm not entirely shocked she didn't fight back. But as a 16 year old boy that isn't flying. Hell, my sister and me have never gotten along and if I caught my dad doing that to her I'd step in.
I agree, I'd get in there too, but let's be honest, most 16 year old boys aren't even going to be big enough to handle their father, let alone a 16 year old girl . You`re still developing a lot at that age, you don't even fill out until your mid/late twenties for the most part. Seems she has a sister, so this video might have been aimed to be released now because she didn't want to put her in danger.
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On November 02 2011 13:23 HawaiianPig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:11 Geosensation wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 HawaiianPig wrote:On November 02 2011 12:30 Geosensation wrote:On November 02 2011 12:26 r.Evo wrote:On November 02 2011 12:22 Geosensation wrote:
Glad to see a bit more sense here on TL compared to youtube and reddit. Disciplining your children like this may not be considered the right way to parent now, but it is perfectly legal. I snooped around the Texas Attorney General's website on child abuse and found this:
The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. An act or omission is abusive only if “observable and material impairment” occurs as a result, or if it causes “substantial harm,” or exposes the child to risk of substantial harm.
Doesn't seem to me like it caused substantial harm or material impairment. YES it is hard to watch and pretty cruel, but parents have the discretion to discipline their children as they see fit.
Also it's just a belt, not a bat. It's not like he's going to kill her or break all the bones in her body. It's superficial harm.
He doesn't deserve to get thrown in jail, disbarred, or any other punishment because he has done nothing illegal based on the video alone. Stop freaking out everyone.
If I slap an adult in the face on the street, will he hit me back? Most likely. If a teacher hits a kid with the flat hand in the face to "teach him/her a lesson", will it go all over the place and will the teacher face consequences? Yes, most likely. If I beat my kid with a belt, multiple times just for the fun of it (HE KEEPS FUCKING COMING BACK IN FOR MORE. THEY USE TWO FUCKING BELTS AT ONE POINT), I can get away with it because "it was reasonable"? If that's the law, the law has to be changed. Why? Because it's inhumane. Plain and simple. So you feel like parents should be told by the government how to raise their kids? Yes? There are certain things that the defence of "raising my kids" does not protect. That claim has always been absurd to me. "They're my kids and the government should butt out." This is such a dehumanizing claim. One would make this same argument for how they handle their personal property. "It's my land and I can do what I want with it." The difference between what you do with and on your private property and how you raise your child is that the latter is a human being. They eventually come of age and enter society. It is public concern. Obviously, how a child is raised greatly impacts how they conduct themselves when they grow up. It needs to be done "properly." What's proper in this case? Very debatable, but "humane" is probably one word I'd assume most people would agree upon. Sticking your genitals together with someone else and making a child does not suddenly deem you to be an authority on what is the best way to raise a child. If beating is okay as a form of punishment, why not sexual abuse? Every time you disobey, daddy sticks it in you? Putting it that way is pretty graphic, yes, but do we not treat assault and sexual abuse as crimes among human beings in any other context? This isn't a matter of how they turn out; there is an immediate wrong in the assault of a person. Why is it a defence to say, "This is how I raise my kids and the government should butt out!" The point here is that this is a matter of public concern. Children are both human and citizens of the country they are in. The reason they are deprived of basic rights, such as the security of person, is a matter of cultural customs. When else is custom a good reason to assault someone? I've already discussed this, but I can see no reasonable argument in favour of corporal punishment as an effective way to teach children. If it's not absolutely necessary to raising a child, why do we allow this infringement of rights to persist? Many people are effectively raised without being beaten. I can see no reasonable answer to this question. Sexual assault on children isn't allowed for parents, obviously. I think cultural custom is a good way to frame laws. That's why parents are given leeway in corporal punishment to their children. It's just the way parenting has traditionally been done. If everyone is doing something you can't make a law against it and turn the entire country into criminals (a good reason why cannabis shouldn't be criminalized) And as the custom moves away from corporal punishment and it is not longer accepted perhaps the law will change accordingly. I agree with this, and I feel we are at a turning point with respect to the law. If you followed the link in my post, you'll see that my parents raised me with corporal punishment as well. Would I seek damages against my parents? No. Do I think it should be possible? Yes, I think we have come to a point in society where we feel that assault of a person in any form is "wrong." Show nested quote +Of course it isn't a good way to teach children, I absolutely agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, we allow people to make mistakes, and I guess it extends to raising children in the wrong way. I might think that raising a child to believe in creationism and that homosexuals are an affront to the lord, but I shouldn't be able to curtail a parent's right to teach them that. I'm not trying to equate the example I just gave to maliciously beating a child to within an inch of their life. Just that reasonable corporal punishment is a mistake that we allow parents to make. Right, but the difference between teaching a child to hate homosexuals and hitting a child is that the latter would, in a different context, be a criminal act. The "raising a child" term here obfuscates the point. When you "raise a child" to believe homosexuals are an abomination, you do so mostly orally. There is nothing society deems overwhelmingly wrong about expressing one's opinions. In fact we hold it dear as a right. Just in the same way we afford someone on the street the same liberty to (hopefully politely) express their viewpoint, whatever it may be, we afford parents the same right to do so to their child. Consistency in the rule of law is something our society strives for. I simply find it glaringly inconsistent that assault is permitted in this context.
Well I think you could just as easily say that using corporal punishment as a tool in child rearing is an opinion, despite the fact that the internet community may deem it as overwhelmingly wrong. The two viewpoints can't be reconciled it seems, but it is nonetheless an interesting argument. Personally I'm very interested to see what gets made of this in the media and if any legal scholars tackle the issue. Also I might ask my Torts professor next class, we just went over parental immunity so in a way I've been studying and not wasting my time arguing on the internet 
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