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so yea we want to see the bad guy get locked up but what happens to the child?
child protective services at age of 16 does not sound that pleasing as no caregivers are gonna give too much shit about you in two years to support you after you turn into an adult. and she is really off on her own feet then.
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On November 02 2011 13:36 LeaD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:33 OuchyDathurts wrote:On November 02 2011 13:27 LeaD wrote:On November 02 2011 13:26 OuchyDathurts wrote:On November 02 2011 13:21 hytonight wrote:
your father telling you to bend over and whipping you with a belt telling you to submit to him isn't psychologically damaging? And twisted, in a more than likely sexual manner on the part of the dad? Honest to god did anyone here get beat like this at 16 and not stand up to their parent? I couldn't possibly imagine someone who is physically and mentally healthy not just saying "this shit stops here" and hulking up on them. He was twice her size and she's 16, she would probably get beat down twice as bad. She also has Palsy which makes it even more reprehensible, but it also takes out the "healthy" portion of my question.. Between that and being a girl I'm not entirely shocked she didn't fight back. But as a 16 year old boy that isn't flying. Hell, my sister and me have never gotten along and if I caught my dad doing that to her I'd step in. I agree, I'd get in there too, but let's be honest, most 16 year old boys aren't even going to be big enough to handle their father, let alone a 16 year old girl  . You`re still developing a lot at that age, you don't even fill out until your mid/late twenties for the most part. Seems she has a sister, so this video might have been aimed to be released now because she didn't want to put her in danger.
At 16 I was the same size as my dad, though my older bro is significantly smaller, even now he's the shortest in the family. I actually remember the day that any sort of BS disciplinary action stopped because I became the biggest and strongest in the house. And you know what? I think me and my dad became closer once there wasn't that sort of dad/slave kind of mentality anymore. It was like "guess what, we're both adults now so lets stop bullshitting". The beatings didn't do anything to fix behavior up till that point.
Even so though kids talk and I believe if it came to the point where I'm going to retaliate for any harm inflicted on another sibling the others would also start in and it'd become a 3 on 1 beatdown even if we happened to be smaller. 3 teenagers know where the balls are and can kick pretty hard and have a lot of energy to keep kicking =)
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So whats next??
I read over the posts on reddit and im not sure whats going to happen. She just sort of outed her parents on their abusive behavior.
whats next? Is she taking this to the police? Press charges? or did she just want to let this out in the open for everyone to see and sort of use that as therapy.
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On November 02 2011 13:36 Geosensation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:23 HawaiianPig wrote:On November 02 2011 13:11 Geosensation wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 HawaiianPig wrote:On November 02 2011 12:30 Geosensation wrote:On November 02 2011 12:26 r.Evo wrote:On November 02 2011 12:22 Geosensation wrote:
Glad to see a bit more sense here on TL compared to youtube and reddit. Disciplining your children like this may not be considered the right way to parent now, but it is perfectly legal. I snooped around the Texas Attorney General's website on child abuse and found this:
The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. An act or omission is abusive only if “observable and material impairment” occurs as a result, or if it causes “substantial harm,” or exposes the child to risk of substantial harm.
Doesn't seem to me like it caused substantial harm or material impairment. YES it is hard to watch and pretty cruel, but parents have the discretion to discipline their children as they see fit.
Also it's just a belt, not a bat. It's not like he's going to kill her or break all the bones in her body. It's superficial harm.
He doesn't deserve to get thrown in jail, disbarred, or any other punishment because he has done nothing illegal based on the video alone. Stop freaking out everyone.
If I slap an adult in the face on the street, will he hit me back? Most likely. If a teacher hits a kid with the flat hand in the face to "teach him/her a lesson", will it go all over the place and will the teacher face consequences? Yes, most likely. If I beat my kid with a belt, multiple times just for the fun of it (HE KEEPS FUCKING COMING BACK IN FOR MORE. THEY USE TWO FUCKING BELTS AT ONE POINT), I can get away with it because "it was reasonable"? If that's the law, the law has to be changed. Why? Because it's inhumane. Plain and simple. So you feel like parents should be told by the government how to raise their kids? Yes? There are certain things that the defence of "raising my kids" does not protect. That claim has always been absurd to me. "They're my kids and the government should butt out." This is such a dehumanizing claim. One would make this same argument for how they handle their personal property. "It's my land and I can do what I want with it." The difference between what you do with and on your private property and how you raise your child is that the latter is a human being. They eventually come of age and enter society. It is public concern. Obviously, how a child is raised greatly impacts how they conduct themselves when they grow up. It needs to be done "properly." What's proper in this case? Very debatable, but "humane" is probably one word I'd assume most people would agree upon. Sticking your genitals together with someone else and making a child does not suddenly deem you to be an authority on what is the best way to raise a child. If beating is okay as a form of punishment, why not sexual abuse? Every time you disobey, daddy sticks it in you? Putting it that way is pretty graphic, yes, but do we not treat assault and sexual abuse as crimes among human beings in any other context? This isn't a matter of how they turn out; there is an immediate wrong in the assault of a person. Why is it a defence to say, "This is how I raise my kids and the government should butt out!" The point here is that this is a matter of public concern. Children are both human and citizens of the country they are in. The reason they are deprived of basic rights, such as the security of person, is a matter of cultural customs. When else is custom a good reason to assault someone? I've already discussed this, but I can see no reasonable argument in favour of corporal punishment as an effective way to teach children. If it's not absolutely necessary to raising a child, why do we allow this infringement of rights to persist? Many people are effectively raised without being beaten. I can see no reasonable answer to this question. Sexual assault on children isn't allowed for parents, obviously. I think cultural custom is a good way to frame laws. That's why parents are given leeway in corporal punishment to their children. It's just the way parenting has traditionally been done. If everyone is doing something you can't make a law against it and turn the entire country into criminals (a good reason why cannabis shouldn't be criminalized) And as the custom moves away from corporal punishment and it is not longer accepted perhaps the law will change accordingly. I agree with this, and I feel we are at a turning point with respect to the law. If you followed the link in my post, you'll see that my parents raised me with corporal punishment as well. Would I seek damages against my parents? No. Do I think it should be possible? Yes, I think we have come to a point in society where we feel that assault of a person in any form is "wrong." Of course it isn't a good way to teach children, I absolutely agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, we allow people to make mistakes, and I guess it extends to raising children in the wrong way. I might think that raising a child to believe in creationism and that homosexuals are an affront to the lord, but I shouldn't be able to curtail a parent's right to teach them that. I'm not trying to equate the example I just gave to maliciously beating a child to within an inch of their life. Just that reasonable corporal punishment is a mistake that we allow parents to make. Right, but the difference between teaching a child to hate homosexuals and hitting a child is that the latter would, in a different context, be a criminal act. The "raising a child" term here obfuscates the point. When you "raise a child" to believe homosexuals are an abomination, you do so mostly orally. There is nothing society deems overwhelmingly wrong about expressing one's opinions. In fact we hold it dear as a right. Just in the same way we afford someone on the street the same liberty to (hopefully politely) express their viewpoint, whatever it may be, we afford parents the same right to do so to their child. Consistency in the rule of law is something our society strives for. I simply find it glaringly inconsistent that assault is permitted in this context. Well I think you could just as easily say that using corporal punishment as a tool in child rearing is an opinion, despite the fact that the internet community may deem it as overwhelmingly wrong. The two viewpoints can't be reconciled it seems, but it is nonetheless an interesting argument. Personally I'm very interested to see what gets made of this in the media and if any legal scholars tackle the issue. Also I might ask my Torts professor next class, we just went over parental immunity so in a way I've been studying and not wasting my time arguing on the internet 
I think you've missed the point. It's not just an opinion. It's action. Freedom of speech does not protect you from assault.
In any other context this would fall under the torts of assault and battery (battery because actual contact occurs).
And yeah, heh, I should be writing a memo on this very topic (the tort of battery) right now, but here I am.
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On November 02 2011 13:31 pandaBee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:29 Phyre wrote:On November 02 2011 13:19 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:16 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:14 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:12 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:09 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:06 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:04 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:
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so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified.
good to know you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats? in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man. well we have an amendment against cruel and unusual punnishment..id kinda expect a judge to know about that. just because a guy litters a few times doesnt mean you can throw him in prison for life. doing something as small as playing games shouldnt be punished by beating the crap out of her. there is nothing "unusual" about getting spanked for breaking the rules also there is nothing "cruel" about getting spanked for breaking the rules either she didn't suffer any permanent damage and the pain is temporary, also from my knowledge the spanking only lasted a minute or two and she is sixteen years old ffs she should know better at that age. you could say the same thing about rape....and dont even pretend you can justify that rape is not the same thing as getting a light booty spanking with a belt don't even try to make that comparison in this context first off "rape" is by no means a physical punishment, it is a type of attack/assault that devastates both a victim's (yes, victim) mind and body. light booty spanking? bro thats bullshit. and id call her a victim there who suffered an assault which did devastate her body and possibly her mind. to the degree of rape? if a belting like the one i saw in the video is enough to psychologically damage her to an extent for which legal action would be required then she must be one fragile girl. and by fragile i mean she must be in the mind of a 5 year old child. Take the scenario in the video and replace the mother with the daughter as the one being whipped. No one in their right mind would ever consider that reasonable, it would be considered assault/abuse and would most likely be psychologically damaging. (not to the extent of rape of course) Why is does assault all of a sudden become okay when it's your child when the exact same action against any other human being would be considered universally appalling. of course it's not more reasonable but if it's the same degree of belt whipping as done to the 16 yo than the mother would have a easier time dealing with such a experience as she is more mature and experienced.
Following your logic:
Beating a 40 year old woman with a belt: Abuse.
Beating a 16 year old girl with a belt: Even worse.
Thank you for proving my point when you stated something completely different in the first place. o.O
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I sincerely want to know how the dad wasn't intelligent enough to see the camera recorded it (It's 2004, it's gonna be massive).
Also, there is tons of stuff like this on the internet, but somehow this is more of a shock than all of that other stuff (according to the first 12 pages at least)? It doesn't make it right, but I'm surprised that people take it so deeply. I'm glad the girl had the courage to release it though.
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.....It was less than five minutes of actual beating with a belt. Is that seriously considered abuse? I got worse sessions with a ten-lb plastic alligator when I was in middle school... Then again, the school called Child Services on my parents lol. Don't care though. <3 my parents. They just uh.... Chinese.
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On November 02 2011 13:33 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:27 LeaD wrote:On November 02 2011 13:26 OuchyDathurts wrote:On November 02 2011 13:21 hytonight wrote:
your father telling you to bend over and whipping you with a belt telling you to submit to him isn't psychologically damaging? And twisted, in a more than likely sexual manner on the part of the dad? Honest to god did anyone here get beat like this at 16 and not stand up to their parent? I couldn't possibly imagine someone who is physically and mentally healthy not just saying "this shit stops here" and hulking up on them. He was twice her size and she's 16, she would probably get beat down twice as bad. She also has Palsy which makes it even more reprehensible, but it also takes out the "healthy" portion of my question.. Between that and being a girl I'm not entirely shocked she didn't fight back. But as a 16 year old boy that isn't flying. Hell, my sister and me have never gotten along and if I caught my dad doing that to her I'd step in.
Of course if you substituted your confident self right at this moment with her in that position, you'd stand up for yourself. But rather, imagine the position of a person who has endured this from birth and who cannot even conceive of the possibility of standing up to someone who is supposed to look after you. I doubt a 16 year old boy, without other assistance, would stand up for himself.
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On November 02 2011 13:35 ICarrotU wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:12 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:09 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:06 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:04 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:01 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:54 hytonight wrote:
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....he beat the shit out of her for using a computer. how is that getting off easy? you're missing a point, in a household breaking the rules is breaking the rules now i have no idea about what went on before this incident or how it escalated to that point but rules are rules man and sometimes u have to lay them down. whether its for taking a cookie from the shelf or getting expelled from school im pretty sure you are missing the point here. he beat the shit out of her.....for playing internet games. thats not "laying down the law," thats beating the shit out of her. it would be just "beating the shit out of her" if he didn't specify that she was not supposed to play internet games but how do u know that there was never such a mentioning? so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified. good to know you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats? in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man. well we have an amendment against cruel and unusual punnishment..id kinda expect a judge to know about that. just because a guy litters a few times doesnt mean you can throw him in prison for life. doing something as small as playing games shouldnt be punished by beating the crap out of her. there is nothing "unusual" about getting spanked for breaking the rules also there is nothing "cruel" about getting spanked for breaking the rules either she didn't suffer any permanent damage and the pain is temporary, also from my knowledge the spanking only lasted a minute or two and she is sixteen years old ffs she should know better at that age. you could say the same thing about rape....and dont even pretend you can justify that Stop trolling, punishing your child and raping someone are so different it doesn't deserve an explanation. Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:10 r.Evo wrote:On November 02 2011 13:06 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:04 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:01 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:54 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. ....he beat the shit out of her for using a computer. how is that getting off easy? you're missing a point, in a household breaking the rules is breaking the rules now i have no idea about what went on before this incident or how it escalated to that point but rules are rules man and sometimes u have to lay them down. whether its for taking a cookie from the shelf or getting expelled from school im pretty sure you are missing the point here. he beat the shit out of her.....for playing internet games. thats not "laying down the law," thats beating the shit out of her. it would be just "beating the shit out of her" if he didn't specify that she was not supposed to play internet games but how do u know that there was never such a mentioning? so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified. good to know you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats? in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man. well we have an amendment against cruel and unusual punnishment..id kinda expect a judge to know about that. just because a guy litters a few times doesnt mean you can throw him in prison for life. doing something as small as playing games shouldnt be punished by beating the crap out of her. That's actually another great point. As he says multiple times, this is NOT about the issue of her playing games (or not disobeying a rule of his), it is about disobedience towards him in general which is plain fucked up. Parenting should be about compliance, not about obedience. Slaves, soldiers and prisoners have to be obedient - the word has nothing to do with raising children. That's your opinion; your parents shelter, clothe, feed and teach/raise you, so I believe children should be obedient to them, if you don't agree with the rules they set, you can move out.
man, that'd be something to see. ~16yrold moving out on their own
positive situation mhmm
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Apparently a good amount people here never got beat by there parents. I thought this was pretty normal corporal punishment stuff. The biggest issue I take with it is when it's done in a rage of fury. Otherwise nothing too shocking.
There's a huge difference between disciplining your kids, and straight up physical abuse. It seems like a grey line but it isn't, your parents if not your grandparents probably grew up on this.
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On November 02 2011 13:44 sigma_x wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:33 OuchyDathurts wrote:On November 02 2011 13:27 LeaD wrote:On November 02 2011 13:26 OuchyDathurts wrote:On November 02 2011 13:21 hytonight wrote:
your father telling you to bend over and whipping you with a belt telling you to submit to him isn't psychologically damaging? And twisted, in a more than likely sexual manner on the part of the dad? Honest to god did anyone here get beat like this at 16 and not stand up to their parent? I couldn't possibly imagine someone who is physically and mentally healthy not just saying "this shit stops here" and hulking up on them. He was twice her size and she's 16, she would probably get beat down twice as bad. She also has Palsy which makes it even more reprehensible, but it also takes out the "healthy" portion of my question.. Between that and being a girl I'm not entirely shocked she didn't fight back. But as a 16 year old boy that isn't flying. Hell, my sister and me have never gotten along and if I caught my dad doing that to her I'd step in. Of course if you substituted your confident self right at this moment with her in that position, you'd stand up for yourself. But rather, imagine the position of a person who has endured this from birth and who cannot even conceive of the possibility of standing up to someone who is supposed to look after you. I doubt a 16 year old boy, without other assistance, would stand up for himself.
Except been there done that. I was spanked when young, I got the "switch", spoon, belt, etc. I was beat severely once. When I was a teenager I stood up for myself and not a finger was laid on anyone else after that point.
Make no mistake about it, this dad in the vid is a pussy. You stand up to a pussy and they'll fall apart.
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What I truly don't understand is that if you took away the simple fact that they are related by blood out of the picture, this dude would be seeing some serious jail time.
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On November 02 2011 13:45 tso wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:35 ICarrotU wrote:On November 02 2011 13:12 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:09 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:06 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:04 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:01 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 pandaBee wrote:
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you're missing a point, in a household breaking the rules is breaking the rules now i have no idea about what went on before this incident or how it escalated to that point but rules are rules man and sometimes u have to lay them down. whether its for taking a cookie from the shelf or getting expelled from school im pretty sure you are missing the point here. he beat the shit out of her.....for playing internet games. thats not "laying down the law," thats beating the shit out of her. it would be just "beating the shit out of her" if he didn't specify that she was not supposed to play internet games but how do u know that there was never such a mentioning? so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified. good to know you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats? in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man. well we have an amendment against cruel and unusual punnishment..id kinda expect a judge to know about that. just because a guy litters a few times doesnt mean you can throw him in prison for life. doing something as small as playing games shouldnt be punished by beating the crap out of her. there is nothing "unusual" about getting spanked for breaking the rules also there is nothing "cruel" about getting spanked for breaking the rules either she didn't suffer any permanent damage and the pain is temporary, also from my knowledge the spanking only lasted a minute or two and she is sixteen years old ffs she should know better at that age. you could say the same thing about rape....and dont even pretend you can justify that Stop trolling, punishing your child and raping someone are so different it doesn't deserve an explanation. On November 02 2011 13:10 r.Evo wrote:On November 02 2011 13:06 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:04 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:01 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:54 hytonight wrote:
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....he beat the shit out of her for using a computer. how is that getting off easy? you're missing a point, in a household breaking the rules is breaking the rules now i have no idea about what went on before this incident or how it escalated to that point but rules are rules man and sometimes u have to lay them down. whether its for taking a cookie from the shelf or getting expelled from school im pretty sure you are missing the point here. he beat the shit out of her.....for playing internet games. thats not "laying down the law," thats beating the shit out of her. it would be just "beating the shit out of her" if he didn't specify that she was not supposed to play internet games but how do u know that there was never such a mentioning? so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified. good to know you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats? in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man. well we have an amendment against cruel and unusual punnishment..id kinda expect a judge to know about that. just because a guy litters a few times doesnt mean you can throw him in prison for life. doing something as small as playing games shouldnt be punished by beating the crap out of her. That's actually another great point. As he says multiple times, this is NOT about the issue of her playing games (or not disobeying a rule of his), it is about disobedience towards him in general which is plain fucked up. Parenting should be about compliance, not about obedience. Slaves, soldiers and prisoners have to be obedient - the word has nothing to do with raising children. That's your opinion; your parents shelter, clothe, feed and teach/raise you, so I believe children should be obedient to them, if you don't agree with the rules they set, you can move out. man, that'd be something to see. ~16yrold moving out on their own positive situation mhmm
You can't choose who your parents are, but as I said, if you don't like your situation, there are things you can do.
Bevel it or not, 16 year olds do move out of their parent's home.
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On November 02 2011 13:47 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:44 sigma_x wrote:On November 02 2011 13:33 OuchyDathurts wrote:On November 02 2011 13:27 LeaD wrote:On November 02 2011 13:26 OuchyDathurts wrote:On November 02 2011 13:21 hytonight wrote:
your father telling you to bend over and whipping you with a belt telling you to submit to him isn't psychologically damaging? And twisted, in a more than likely sexual manner on the part of the dad? Honest to god did anyone here get beat like this at 16 and not stand up to their parent? I couldn't possibly imagine someone who is physically and mentally healthy not just saying "this shit stops here" and hulking up on them. He was twice her size and she's 16, she would probably get beat down twice as bad. She also has Palsy which makes it even more reprehensible, but it also takes out the "healthy" portion of my question.. Between that and being a girl I'm not entirely shocked she didn't fight back. But as a 16 year old boy that isn't flying. Hell, my sister and me have never gotten along and if I caught my dad doing that to her I'd step in. Of course if you substituted your confident self right at this moment with her in that position, you'd stand up for yourself. But rather, imagine the position of a person who has endured this from birth and who cannot even conceive of the possibility of standing up to someone who is supposed to look after you. I doubt a 16 year old boy, without other assistance, would stand up for himself. Except been there done that. I was spanked when young, I got the "switch", spoon, belt, etc. I was beat severely once. When I was a teenager I stood up for myself and not a finger was laid on anyone else after that point. Make no mistake about it, this dad in the vid is a pussy. You stand up to a pussy and they'll fall apart.
stand up to him if you actually can....the dad couldve picked her up and thrown her out her window. standing up to that is just gonna make it worse which is pretty sick considering the only thing she could do was just take it.
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What the fuck is wrong with the mother AND the father?
Not parents.
My parents spanked my, but it was concise, for a reason, and not a senseless beatdown like this.
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Fuckin hick.
"I DUN TOLD YOU NOT TO USE DEM INTERWEBS!.!.!"
People that are this far gone really shouldn't have kids. To think we even had him apart of our judicial system, already got the fucked up cops man. Hope the fucker gets some real justice
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On November 02 2011 13:48 ICarrotU wrote:
Bevel it or not, 16 year olds do move out of their parent's home.
And be quite successful in doing so. Although obviously it's not ideal for the average 16 year old to move out on their own I've known at least 2 people that have and did just fine. Depending on the circumstances you're coming from it can easily be the best option.
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I was never really a bad kid growing up, but even if I did something small, ooo I'd get quite a beating on my butt. It especially sucked when we were putting in wood flooring, because those planks (flooring planks aren't very thick, but meh) really hurt (. But this? The guy in this video is seriously overdoing it. REALLY overdoing it. And for... using the Internet? Holy crap. This is crazy.
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On November 02 2011 13:35 ICarrotU wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:12 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:09 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:06 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:04 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:01 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:54 hytonight wrote:
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....he beat the shit out of her for using a computer. how is that getting off easy? you're missing a point, in a household breaking the rules is breaking the rules now i have no idea about what went on before this incident or how it escalated to that point but rules are rules man and sometimes u have to lay them down. whether its for taking a cookie from the shelf or getting expelled from school im pretty sure you are missing the point here. he beat the shit out of her.....for playing internet games. thats not "laying down the law," thats beating the shit out of her. it would be just "beating the shit out of her" if he didn't specify that she was not supposed to play internet games but how do u know that there was never such a mentioning? so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified. good to know you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats? in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man. well we have an amendment against cruel and unusual punnishment..id kinda expect a judge to know about that. just because a guy litters a few times doesnt mean you can throw him in prison for life. doing something as small as playing games shouldnt be punished by beating the crap out of her. there is nothing "unusual" about getting spanked for breaking the rules also there is nothing "cruel" about getting spanked for breaking the rules either she didn't suffer any permanent damage and the pain is temporary, also from my knowledge the spanking only lasted a minute or two and she is sixteen years old ffs she should know better at that age. you could say the same thing about rape....and dont even pretend you can justify that Stop trolling, punishing your child and raping someone are so different it doesn't deserve an explanation. Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:10 r.Evo wrote:On November 02 2011 13:06 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:04 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:03 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 13:01 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 13:00 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:56 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 12:54 hytonight wrote:On November 02 2011 12:52 pandaBee wrote:
And why is a 16 yo girl getting a booty spanking a big deal? spanking is getting off easy. ....he beat the shit out of her for using a computer. how is that getting off easy? you're missing a point, in a household breaking the rules is breaking the rules now i have no idea about what went on before this incident or how it escalated to that point but rules are rules man and sometimes u have to lay them down. whether its for taking a cookie from the shelf or getting expelled from school im pretty sure you are missing the point here. he beat the shit out of her.....for playing internet games. thats not "laying down the law," thats beating the shit out of her. it would be just "beating the shit out of her" if he didn't specify that she was not supposed to play internet games but how do u know that there was never such a mentioning? so he has to threaten her before he can beat the shit out of her..then its justified. good to know you're missing the point what i said isn't about the father making threats. if by threats u mean rules then i guess that would be true but then are u saying that all rules are threats? in a sense yes they are - break the law/rules u get punished. but are they necessary? ask society man. well we have an amendment against cruel and unusual punnishment..id kinda expect a judge to know about that. just because a guy litters a few times doesnt mean you can throw him in prison for life. doing something as small as playing games shouldnt be punished by beating the crap out of her. That's actually another great point. As he says multiple times, this is NOT about the issue of her playing games (or not disobeying a rule of his), it is about disobedience towards him in general which is plain fucked up. Parenting should be about compliance, not about obedience. Slaves, soldiers and prisoners have to be obedient - the word has nothing to do with raising children. That's your opinion; your parents shelter, clothe, feed and teach/raise you, so I believe children should be obedient to them, if you don't agree with the rules they set, you can move out.
Parents are two adults who, at one point, had sex. They did this (hopefully) consensual. They are (hopefully) away of how pregnancies work. It's their damn JOB to raise a child to be a decent member of our society.
If a parent fucks up that part, it's not only their or the childs problem. It is your and my problem.
If you can honestly say that being taught to be obedient because you have to be afraid of being beaten otherwise is a great tool to have in our society... then I'll just stfu and hope you never get to the point of raising children with that attitude. Cause they would be a problem my children will have to deal with. (;
PS: "if you don't agree with the rules they set, you can move out." - nope, they can't. You can't quit being a child. You can't reverse being taught fucked up rules about how life, society and being a parent works.
Edit: I moved out of my home when I was 14 btw because of entirely different reasons (no hitting/beating etc.). Was it awesome? No. Did I turn out allright concerning my role in our society? I'd like to assume so. Would it have been better if my home would have worked differently? Most likely.
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On November 02 2011 13:48 Renent wrote:
What I truly don't understand is that if you took away the simple fact that they are related by blood out of the picture, this dude would be seeing some serious jail time.
How is this a simple fact ? This is precisely what complicates the issue, the whole concept of how parenthood is viewed varying across societies and cultures is how the law is lettered in said places.
Is it ok to beat a random kid on the street whose rude to you no ofcourse not but that isnt really a valid thing to point out.
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