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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On November 02 2011 10:37 Kimaker wrote: While I don't agree with the reason, I see nothing wrong there with the immediate punishment. Yes (having now read the full context of her condition) that was too much. But corporal punishment overall isn't bad. For me it was the continuation of the conversation that got me riled up. Corporal punishment is fine, I myself was raised with corporal punishment as a possibility, but the fact that he didn't let it go was a bit much for me. Honestly, everyone's going to freak out and say she should be removed from the house, but I think that's ridiculous. She got belted. Woo hoo. Getting belted hurts like a son of a bitch, but it's nothing seriously harmful. And please don't pull the "mentally scarring" card out. It's not. I promise you. If you had grown up with the idea that being beaten is not OK, then you would not think this. To me, it is unimaginable, and I would have exacted revenge - physically - on anyone who did so to me... Dont care who. Yeah, you grew up with it and turned out OK, doesnt make it right -_- | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
My mom is a teacher and kids who get beaten at home behave waaaay worse in school than children of sane parents. Always wish Drone would post in threads like this, I guess you can search for erlier posts by him in similar treads if you manage to guess good words for them. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On November 02 2011 12:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote: If you had grown up with the idea that being beaten is not OK, then you would not think this. To me, it is unimaginable, and I would have exacted revenge - physically - on anyone who did so to me... Dont care who. Yeah, you grew up with it and turned out OK, doesnt make it right -_- Children of the Corn style. that would be my response to this if I was 16 and hit like this(most likely younger too, I was hit with a wooden spoon as a child (3 or 4 years old) and i threw that bitch away :D) | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On November 02 2011 12:22 Geosensation wrote: Glad to see a bit more sense here on TL compared to youtube and reddit. Disciplining your children like this may not be considered the right way to parent now, but it is perfectly legal. I snooped around the Texas Attorney General's website on child abuse and found this: The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. An act or omission is abusive only if “observable and material impairment” occurs as a result, or if it causes “substantial harm,” or exposes the child to risk of substantial harm. Doesn't seem to me like it caused substantial harm or material impairment. YES it is hard to watch and pretty cruel, but parents have the discretion to discipline their children as they see fit. Also it's just a belt, not a bat. It's not like he's going to kill her or break all the bones in her body. It's superficial harm. He doesn't deserve to get thrown in jail, disbarred, or any other punishment because he has done nothing illegal based on the video alone. Stop freaking out everyone. If I slap an adult in the face on the street, will he hit me back? Most likely. If a teacher hits a kid with the flat hand in the face to "teach him/her a lesson", will it go all over the place and will the teacher face consequences? Yes, most likely. If I beat my kid with a belt, multiple times just for the fun of it (HE KEEPS FUCKING COMING BACK IN FOR MORE. THEY USE TWO FUCKING BELTS AT ONE POINT), I can get away with it because "it was reasonable"? If that's the law, the law has to be changed. Why? Because it's inhumane. Plain and simple. That's common sense. | ||
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Blardy
United States290 Posts
On November 02 2011 11:32 1Eris1 wrote: I'm suprised some people are saying corporal punishment helped them. If my dad ever tried to hit me I probably would have stabbed him or something. Pretty sure they're countless studies out there showing corporally punished kids with more problems on average than other kids. Honestly. Just take away her internet. wtf I like how you mention based on studies kids who were corporally punished have more problems than those that weren't, but before that you mention how you would stab your dad if he simply hit you. Sounds like you have some problems. | ||
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LtCalley
United States244 Posts
however, i am a guy and am more inclined to fight back....props to this GIRL, if i was her i would have mutilated both of my parents...it is disgusting that a father could beat a young woman, much less his DAUGHTER in this fashion. and if this man had tried this on fucked up kids like the menendez brothers...well...you can imagine what would happen... | ||
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Tokyla
Canada42 Posts
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Geosensation
United States256 Posts
On November 02 2011 12:26 r.Evo wrote: If I slap an adult in the face on the street, will he hit me back? Most likely. If a teacher hits a kid with the flat hand in the face to "teach him/her a lesson", will it go all over the place and will the teacher face consequences? Yes, most likely. If I beat my kid with a belt, multiple times just for the fun of it (HE KEEPS FUCKING COMING BACK IN FOR MORE. THEY USE TWO FUCKING BELTS AT ONE POINT), I can get away with it because "it was reasonable"? If that's the law, the law has to be changed. Why? Because it's inhumane. Plain and simple. So you feel like parents should be told by the government how to raise their kids? I'm sorry I just don't agree with that. The parent/child relationship is a special one and is treated as such by the law. If the government starts telling parents they can't discipline their children reasonably then the next thing you know children are suing their parents when they don't let them go to a concert they wanted or because they grounded them for a weekend for breaking some rule they set down. Sorry if it seems harsh to you but that's the way it is. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On November 02 2011 12:27 Blardy wrote: I like how you mention based on studies kids who were corporally punished have more problems than those that weren't, but before that you mention how you would stab your dad if he simply hit you. Sounds like you have some problems. Christ people. Read like two posts down. I'll just edit that post. Meant to say abused me, not just hit. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On November 02 2011 12:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote: If you had grown up with the idea that being beaten is not OK, then you would not think this. To me, it is unimaginable, and I would have exacted revenge - physically - on anyone who did so to me... Dont care who. Yeah, you grew up with it and turned out OK, doesnt make it right -_- I agree with this point. Before saying these things and making a few members annoyed please think about it. Look, you didn't have to go through this punishment so you have absolutely no right at all to say that this is an okay form of punishment. It DOES mentally scar you, right now im mentally scarred with my dad and we will NEVER ever have a proper relationship from what he does as a kid. I wan't revenge as any way possible, but I can't. If you were raised with beatings then you would never say this and you would think the completely opposite. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On November 02 2011 12:30 Geosensation wrote: So you feel like parents should be told by the government how to raise their kids? I'm sorry I just don't agree with that. The parent/child relationship is a special one and is treated as such by the law. If the government starts telling parents they can't discipline their children reasonably then the next thing you know children are suing their parents when they don't let them go to a concert they wanted or because they grounded them for a weekend for breaking some rule they set down. Sorry if it seems harsh to you but that's the way it is. How do we go from "Cant beat child with belt" to "Cant tell children what to do"? There's a fucking enormous middle ground that we just magically teleported across to get to where you think we would be. | ||
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iSTime
1579 Posts
On November 02 2011 12:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote: If you had grown up with the idea that being beaten is not OK, then you would not think this. To me, it is unimaginable, and I would have exacted revenge - physically - on anyone who did so to me... Dont care who. Yeah, you grew up with it and turned out OK, doesnt make it right -_- Agree 100%. It's been shown in multiple studies that corporal punishment increases risk of negative behavior and outcomes (http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/125/5/e1057, http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053811909002286, and so on...). It is an unfortunate reality that those who group up in negative environments are almost always the most permissive of it as adults. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On November 02 2011 12:30 Geosensation wrote: So you feel like parents should be told by the government how to raise their kids? I'm sorry I just don't agree with that. The parent/child relationship is a special one and is treated as such by the law. If the government starts telling parents they can't discipline their children reasonably then the next thing you know children are suing their parents when they don't let them go to a concert they wanted or because they grounded them for a weekend for breaking some rule they set down. Sorry if it seems harsh to you but that's the way it is. There are already stipulations present, furthering them to remove archaic and ineffective punishments such as the ones seen in that video is absolutely fine in my opinion. No one is saying parents shouldn't be allowed to raise their kids how they want, just that savagely beating your child to "discipline" them should be strictly disallowed. | ||
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Geosensation
United States256 Posts
On November 02 2011 12:31 Liquid`Jinro wrote: How do we go from "Cant beat child with belt" to "Cant tell children what to do"? There's a fucking enormous middle ground that we just magically teleported across to get to where you think we would be. It's a slippery slope example. The point is to show how the enormous middle ground will be eroded if what seems wrong, but is not unreasonable, is forbidden. I don't agree with parents using corporal punishment on their children but it's about as natural as any other form of parenting. I don't think the government should be getting involved in parenting when it isn't clear abuse which could result in actual harm to a child. side note: Hi Jinro <3 u | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On November 02 2011 12:30 Geosensation wrote: So you feel like parents should be told by the government how to raise their kids? I'm sorry I just don't agree with that. The parent/child relationship is a special one and is treated as such by the law. If the government starts telling parents they can't discipline their children reasonably then the next thing you know children are suing their parents when they don't let them go to a concert they wanted or because they grounded them for a weekend for breaking some rule they set down. Sorry if it seems harsh to you but that's the way it is. Stop making random arguments up. The government has to step in when someone gets physically abused. That's common sense. Whether it's a random person on the street or a 16 year old. Or a 10 year old. There is a thing called "excessive force". This 16 year old girl got hit by a full grown man as hard as he could. On top of that he forces all the guilt on her, comes back multiple times AFTER clearly establishing his point. As you said, REASONABLE discipline, sure, fine by me (even though I'm personally someone who believes that punishment is only neccessary if the parents fucked up somewhere else in the first place, but that's a different discussion). Hitting someone with a belt to prove your point is surely a great way to teach your children how to act as grown ups. Oh, wait.. How on earth can you call that reasonable? Random sidenote: I'd like to add that she seems to have a little sister (you can see her at 0:49 in that video). I sure hope that girl is fine. =/ | ||
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InvalidID
United States1050 Posts
On November 02 2011 12:35 Mordiford wrote: There are already stipulations present, furthering them to remove archaic and ineffective punishments such as the ones seen in that video is absolutely fine in my opinion. No one is saying parents shouldn't be allowed to raise their kids how they want, just that savagely beating your child to "discipline" them should be strictly disallowed. To play the devils advocate though, wtf do you do in situations like this? Do you take the child out of a home that is somewhat abusive but does not physically harm the child and put them in a completely dysfunctional foster home? Will that really be any better? I know I find the actions of that father completely reprehensible but I cant say I can think of a good solution for situations like these. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
On November 02 2011 12:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote: If you had grown up with the idea that being beaten is not OK, then you would not think this. To me, it is unimaginable, and I would have exacted revenge - physically - on anyone who did so to me... Dont care who. Yeah, you grew up with it and turned out OK, doesnt make it right -_- Agreed. And I'd argue that for everyone that A: thinks it's okay or B: grew up to be better than they would have otherwise that such people are likely the minority. What corporal punishment gave me was a very deep and very broad anger problem that's kept me out of meaningful relationships for my entire adult life. Of course, it wasn't always just corporal punishment for me, there was a lot of abuse and neglect there too, so I can't really say what properly executed corporal punishment would've done for me in a vacuum due to lack of experience. | ||
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Holy_KR
Korea (South)43 Posts
I don't understand why there can't be a middle ground, if I did something bad my parents in Korean went "its Memmeh time" Memmeh in Korean means punishment. They got a bamboo stick and hit me once, I knew it was bad. They proceeded to give me a hug, and said "hey you know we always love you." I grew up learning how to discipline my kids, but also learning that there's reasonable times when punishment is necessary. Still like I said earlier, the fact that he cussed his daughter out, and hit her multiple times just bothers me  . | ||
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