EPTNot judging the state as a whole but there seems to be a lot of crazy stuff like this from over there (related to religious teaching?)
Judge beats daughter for using the internet - Page 11
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
Not judging the state as a whole but there seems to be a lot of crazy stuff like this from over there (related to religious teaching?) | ||
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
That was around a decade ago but not once did I feel "abused". I mean, sure, every kid would "hate" their parents when that shit was going down, but it's not like I have a vendetta against them now. I'm not psychologically "scarred for life". In fact, it's just another story for me to tell my future kids, who will be lucky their dad won't do the same thing to them ('cause their grandparents will probably do it for me, lol). But in all seriousness, what's up with the daughter uploading a video of it? I personally think that's stupid. To the viewers, it's a 7 minute window into the personal lives of a family, accompanied by a short paragraph, signed by the daughter herself. I don't know anything else! Am I immediately supposed to throw a fist in the air and denounce this guy as the devil himself, without knowing anything else? And is it really necessary to publish his personal information on the Internet, without any form of investigation by authorities? I'm not defending the guy, I'm just saying this is really being blown into much bigger proportions than it needs to be. | ||
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Aruno
New Zealand748 Posts
On November 02 2011 11:48 Xpace wrote: Not trolling or anything here (great way to start a post, I know), but I really don't see this as THAT big of a deal. Asian parents do worse things to their kids, for even dumber reasons. I mean, I myself have experienced worse beatings (Google: "Chinese feather duster", seriously), where I'd go to school the next day with my arms covered in bruises, and for what? Going to the local arcade after school for half an hour instead of heading straight home. Or not putting the dishes back in the sink after eating. Or spilling sauce or soda on the couch. That was around a decade ago but not once did I feel "abused". I mean, sure, every kid would "hate" their parents when that shit was going down, but it's not like I have a vendetta against them now. I'm not psychologically "scarred for life". In fact, it's just another story for me to tell my future kids, who will be lucky their dad won't do the same thing to them ('cause their grandparents will probably do it for me, lol). But in all seriousness, what's up with the daughter uploading a video of it? I personally think that's stupid. To the viewers, it's a 7 minute window into the personal lives of a family, accompanied by a short paragraph, signed by the daughter herself. I don't know anything else! Am I immediately supposed to throw a fist in the air and denounce this guy as the devil himself, without knowing anything else? And is it really necessary to publish his personal information on the Internet, without any form of investigation by authorities? I'm not defending the guy, I'm just saying this is really being blown into much bigger proportions than it needs to be. You already posted this on page 8 o_0 | ||
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Incursus
United States415 Posts
One thing my parents always made sure to do when I was spanked as a child, they made sure it was never done in anger. And they never "hurt" me as it were, yes of course being spanked hurt but I certainly wasn't beaten. Past a certain age spanking stopped working, my mother knew it had lost its potency when I laughed one time after having been spanked. Also my parents always made an effort to ensure I was okay and understood why I was being spanked. Eventually, I stopped getting spanked and started getting lectured and/or grounded. (Also, since age 14 I have not been grounded once, I get to stay out to 2 AM if I so desire because I learned that obeying Mom and Dad has its upsides) Their discipline was effective because with it came a lot of freedom and the punishment always fit the crime. Now that I got that out of the way That father, I can understand why he upset, he had told his daughter repeatedly not to do that. She was defying him, some kind of punishment was absolutely necessary. For starters, beating your child is not acceptable, sorry it's not. That was not a "spanking" that was a rage motivated beating, his wife had already dished out punishment and he followed up without taking more than 30 seconds to think about it and just savaged his daughter. I am not against the idea of both of them offering punishment, but the motivation there was not to correct behavior or to discipline, he was mad and let her have it. Not right, also, I think at that age spanking just isn't going to work, it's just going to make her resent you or fear you, it was likely a bit of both in this situation. tl;dr that guy is a terrible parent, he brutally beat his daughter and for that fuck him. | ||
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
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xAPOCALYPSEx
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I know i'm probably gonna get some flak for this but if she bothered to record it and use it in this way then who knows for sure whether or not she was exaggerating? I'm not saying for sure but it looks to me like she was... my dad works a laborious job and when I received punishments similarly 'brutal' i would just shut the hell up so he would stop (I wasn't some hard ass who didn't feel pain btw). Even when I was younger I didn't think it hurt nearly as much as it looked. One thing that I don't like in this video is how the dad is verbally abusing her too, but that is kinda the only thing bad about it. I'm not trying to play that down, as that could have done serious mental damage to her, but I don't think the 'beating' did. I like how I turned out and I don't think it did any mental damage to me; it was just discipline; don't do what you're not supposed to do or you're gonna get the belt. It wasn't 'omg the worst pain in the world' but it was sure as hell enough to get me to shut up and stop what I was doing. edit for grammar! | ||
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
I forgot to edit my comment. I actually quoted you by saying my parents are good and kind people too. Just 'cause they took to beating doesn't make them bad parents. :\ | ||
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
On November 02 2011 11:48 Xpace wrote: Not trolling or anything here (great way to start a post, I know), but I really don't see this as THAT big of a deal. Asian parents do worse things to their kids, for even dumber reasons. I mean, I myself have experienced worse beatings (Google: "Chinese feather duster", seriously), where I'd go to school the next day with my arms covered in bruises, and for what? Going to the local arcade after school for half an hour instead of heading straight home. Or not putting the dishes back in the sink after eating. Or spilling sauce or soda on the couch. That was around a decade ago but not once did I feel "abused". I mean, sure, every kid would "hate" their parents when that shit was going down, but it's not like I have a vendetta against them now. I'm not psychologically "scarred for life". In fact, it's just another story for me to tell my future kids, who will be lucky their dad won't do the same thing to them ('cause their grandparents will probably do it for me, lol). But in all seriousness, what's up with the daughter uploading a video of it? I personally think that's stupid. To the viewers, it's a 7 minute window into the personal lives of a family, accompanied by a short paragraph, signed by the daughter herself. I don't know anything else! Am I immediately supposed to throw a fist in the air and denounce this guy as the devil himself, without knowing anything else? And is it really necessary to publish his personal information on the Internet, without any form of investigation by authorities? I'm not defending the guy, I'm just saying this is really being blown into much bigger proportions than it needs to be. Um.. there's a reason this is sickening and it is because YES, it is not normal in our society to do this anymore (not for people in america, with strict laws). Please don't tell people it's not a big deal because it can affect others more than it does you. | ||
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Sweet3a
United States6 Posts
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Durantula
United States108 Posts
On November 02 2011 11:48 Xpace wrote: Not trolling or anything here (great way to start a post, I know), but I really don't see this as THAT big of a deal. Asian parents do worse things to their kids, for even dumber reasons. I mean, I myself have experienced worse beatings (Google: "Chinese feather duster", seriously), where I'd go to school the next day with my arms covered in bruises, and for what? Going to the local arcade after school for half an hour instead of heading straight home. Or not putting the dishes back in the sink after eating. Or spilling sauce or soda on the couch. That was around a decade ago but not once did I feel "abused". I mean, sure, every kid would "hate" their parents when that shit was going down, but it's not like I have a vendetta against them now. I'm not psychologically "scarred for life". In fact, it's just another story for me to tell my future kids, who will be lucky their dad won't do the same thing to them ('cause their grandparents will probably do it for me, lol). But in all seriousness, what's up with the daughter uploading a video of it? I personally think that's stupid. To the viewers, it's a 7 minute window into the personal lives of a family, accompanied by a short paragraph, signed by the daughter herself. I don't know anything else! Am I immediately supposed to throw a fist in the air and denounce this guy as the devil himself, without knowing anything else? And is it really necessary to publish his personal information on the Internet, without any form of investigation by authorities? I'm not defending the guy, I'm just saying this is really being blown into much bigger proportions than it needs to be. I agree, also nobody really knows what the girl actually did on the computer. | ||
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InvalidID
United States1050 Posts
On November 02 2011 11:46 Sleight wrote: Lol. Doesn't stratify by race. You are just embarrassing yourself. You have to separate along all demographics. not just ones that you'd like to admit. Furthermore, it doesn't look solely at America. Racial inequalities in other countries are not as severe as in America. Which you'd know if you read studies instead of just Googling them. EDIT: So I realized that isn't obvious enough for you... You are taking a SERIOUS INEQUALITY and matching it up with 4 situations where they have MINOR INEQUALITY. The Pediatric study was done in AMERICA. So you need studies looking at AMERICAN wealth and income gaps by race, education, and social status. Studies aren't universal, bro. The original study I provided controlled for income, race, and education in America. Please provide a study that shows that wealth is not correlated with income within any such subdivided group. While the African Americans may have a typically lower wealth versus income, I can find nothing that says that income is not strongly correlated to wealth among blacks/any other demographic group. By controlling by race/education you remove the problem, but apparently you have never taken a graduate statistics class as you are still in undergrad. The entire point of controlling by race education AND income is to account for socioeconomic differences such as the ones you point out. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On November 02 2011 11:53 Sweet3a wrote: Does anybody know if he received any kind of punishment for this? Can the law even do anything since it's his kid and considered discipline, as sick as that sounds. The sheriffs office there has been called repeatedly, and they are just saying they are looking into it. I guess more people could call and show their concern. However this just seems to have caught the attention of the internet recently so I expect more light to be shed on it tomorrow afternoon. | ||
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Phobbers
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OhSix
United States252 Posts
Besides, even if this was justifiable, is corporal punishment really that effective? Sure, the child may not do what they were punished for again. But that's looking at it in such a narrow view. Seems like many other issues arise from this type of behavior. If the only way you can get a point across to your child is by beating them, then you are not fit to be a parent. | ||
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MaV_gGSC
Canada1345 Posts
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Slithe
United States985 Posts
On November 02 2011 11:46 Sleight wrote: Lol. Doesn't stratify by race. You are just embarrassing yourself. You have to separate along all demographics. not just ones that you'd like to admit. Furthermore, it doesn't look solely at America. Racial inequalities in other countries are not as severe as in America. Which you'd know if you read studies instead of just Googling them. EDIT: So I realized that isn't obvious enough for you... You are taking a SERIOUS INEQUALITY and matching it up with 4 situations where they have MINOR INEQUALITY. The Pediatric study was done in AMERICA. So you need studies looking at AMERICAN wealth and income gaps by race, education, and social status. Studies aren't universal, bro. I would like to see a reputable study that concludes that corporal punishment is somehow favorable. You're just trying to shoot down every study with whatever issues you can find, but you have not backed up your own claims at all. Until you bring some hard evidence to the table, you're just going to look silly to everybody else. Also, the excessive Caps Lock is not helping. | ||
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Phyre
United States1288 Posts
If you want to get someone to stop doing something without policing them 24/7 knowing they will resume said activity as soon as you are away, convince them to do it of their own accord. If you can't get them to understand why what they did is wrong either you're stupider then your child, you're not as unequivocally right as you thought, or you're child is stupid beyond reason. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On November 02 2011 11:52 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote: I'm going to assume most of you guys weren't belted as children lol... I know i'm probably gonna get some flak for this but if she bothered to record it and use it in this way then who knows for sure whether or not she was exaggerating? I'm not saying for sure but it looks to me like she was... my dad works a laborious job and when I received punishments similarly 'brutal' i would just shut the hell up so he would stop (I wasn't some hard ass who didn't feel pain btw). Even when I was younger I didn't think it hurt nearly as much as it looked. One thing that I don't like in this video is how the dad is verbally abusing her too, but that is kinda the only thing bad about it. I'm not trying to play that down, as that could have done serious mental damage to her, but I don't think the 'beating' did. I like how I turned out and I don't think it did any mental damage to me; it was just discipline; don't do what you're not supposed to do or you're gonna get the belt. It wasn't 'omg the worst pain in the world' but it was sure as hell enough to get me to shut up and stop what I was doing. edit for grammar! Yeah lets not forget this girl is physical disabled or anything... | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
I don't care if your Asian, trailer trash, red neck, Muslim, etc. It comes down to the principle and last time I checked beating your child as excessive as this can be traumatizing and in some states be filed as child abuse. Do you really want to lose your kid over something so trivial? The guy has beef with the Internet. We get it. Don't beat your child who already has a disability to overcome. It's just flat out stupid. He would probably say something along the lines of, "Don't tell me how to raise my child!" Do a better job then. Heck, I thought fathers were supposed to protect their daughters. Kind of ironic and yes, I know it happens all the time. What does it come down to? Better self-control and better parenting. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On November 02 2011 10:37 Dacendoran wrote: I'm fairly certain this is legal, he never struck her in the face or with anything other than a belt, let alone a closed fist. It's a parent's job to decide how their children get punished and while this guy is a dick I don't think legally anything will come of it. Outside of the justice system though I hope he feels some kind of ramifications for this. It is not legal, that is clearly assault. | ||
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