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Please do not judge everyone in Texas by this video. Don't do it.
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On November 02 2011 11:36 nFxion wrote:（╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ Was the reaction i had. What kills me more is she has Cerebral Palsy. I had a friend whose dad would beat them like this and worse and police/law just say "It's ok."
Wait, what?
She has cerebral palsy as well? That poor child. Shame on that man.
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I cant even begin to put into words the disgusted thoughts im having: insanity, disgust, shock, disapo-- i dont even know...
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On November 02 2011 11:37 InvalidID wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 11:35 Sleight wrote:On November 02 2011 11:31 InvalidID wrote:On November 02 2011 11:28 Sleight wrote:On November 02 2011 11:25 InvalidID wrote:On November 02 2011 11:21 Sleight wrote:On November 02 2011 11:17 InvalidID wrote:On November 02 2011 11:13 CapnAmerica wrote:On November 02 2011 10:58 Kimaker wrote:On November 02 2011 10:57 Zephirdd wrote:
while I do agree that "physical punishment" isn't as bad as people make it out to be, there are limits and this guy goes over the limits A LOT. It's sickening, actually.
I mean, most of it isn't even about how he was trying to "teach" the girl, it was just "you brought this to yourself", "I'm mad at you", "take it on". It wasn't teaching, it wasn't a lesson, it was pure need to vent on her, the pure need to "show who is in control". There are situations and situations, and this is not a correct situation.
It's even sad that a guy like that is a Judge IMO. Exactly. It's not the style of punishment that's bad, it's the delivery. Corporal punishment can be an effective way to teach lessons, but this was not a lesson. I agree. I was raised with corporal punishment and it's absolutely fine to smack a kid (in a non-damaging way) to get a point across that words cannot. This, though, was stupid vengeance and absolutely disgusting. It's child abuse. He's telling his daughter that she doesn't deserve to live in that house, how bad she is, and after he gets mad and talks all that shit to her he leaves and comes back saying he didn't get his beating in yet. Jesus Christ. That's not parenting, that's a little man with anger issues taking them out on someone who has to depend upon him. Disgusting. There's a difference between punishment and taking out your anger on a young girl. Anybody who knows how to parent knows that when you interact with people (let alone your own children) you should act out of fairness, not abusing others for your own iniquities. What? Why do you think it is fine? What point can you get across that words cannot? http://www.cmaj.ca/content/161/7/805.long Seems to indicate it does far more harm then good. "Among the respondents without a history of physical or sexual abuse during childhood, those who reported being slapped or spanked "often" or "sometimes" had significantly higher lifetime rates of anxiety disorders (adjusted odds ratio [OR] 1.43, 95% confidence interval [CI] 1.04-1.96), alcohol abuse or dependence (adjusted OR 2.02, 95% CI 1.27-3.21) and one or more externalizing problems (adjusted OR 2.08, 95% CI 1.36-3.16), compared with those who reported "never" being slapped or spanked. There was also an association between a history of slapping or spanking and major depression, but it was not statistically significant (adjusted OR 1.64, 95% CI 0.96-2.80)." This is based on logical fallacy. It implies causation when actually, it is NOT that people who are beaten are more likely to develop anxiety disorders, etc ... BECAUSE of the punishment. It IS that, in families and socioeconomic situations where corporal punishment is being used, the circumstances are more likely to result in anxiety disorders, etc... Corporal punishment is exponentially higher in the Bible belt and in poor socioeconomic states, which are both associated with situations more conducive to the study's findings than the direct punishments. Your argument misses the point entirely. Ok here is a longitudinal study that takes into account various confounding variables, and same result: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/125/5/e1057 Only looks at THREE YEAR OLDS. Who beats a three year old? I dunno. I will completely concede that point, but that study is incredibly limited and has no bearing on the use of corporal punishment in general, only on three year olds. Three year olds don't understand causation yet, how could they learn from almost ANY method, including corporal punishment. EDIT: Also, this DOES NOT ADJUST FOR SOCIOECONOMICS. So I disregard it. That is an incredibly POORLY corrected study. Any study looking at behavior without socioeconomic stratification is a waste of time. Did you actually read it? Table 2 bro. All the factors they adjusted for, including "Mother's annual household income," education level, and "Use of drugs and/or alcohol" Lol. You do know "Mother's annual household income" is NOT EQUAL TO "Socioeconomic status." If you judge socioeconomic status you look at WEALTH, which is equated to total worth of fiscal assets. If you knew anything on the subject you'd know that AT THE SAME INCOME, wealth disparities exist between different social, racial, and ethnic groups. Income MEANS NOTHING in and of itself. The average white mother at a given income is likely to have almost TWICE THE WEALTH as the average black mother at the same income. I am finishing up and getting ready to go into Peds. You can't quote bad study data in my field and tell me it is relevant. Their have been sharp criticisms about old statification measures by anyone who actually works in health care disparities. Race is also included. Between race, education level, and income I think you get a pretty good idea of socioeconomic status. It also included marital status.
Reread what I said. You are simply wrong. In MODERN EPIDEMIOLOGY, it is NOT acceptable to use "Income" in place of "Wealth." There is no argument. This is the established trend because studies found that income gave no accurate indication of socioeconomic status. Why? because of what I said. You cannot substitute income for financial means, because it doesn't account for debt or property.
Two women have the same income. One has thousands of dollars in debt. Do they have the same FUNCTIONAL income? No. One has a house, one rents. Do they have the same fiscal assests? No. One has a car, the other rides the bus. Do they have the same value of possessions? No. You are simply wrong. No actual discussion.
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Not going to watch the vid, but I'm already familiar with the type of punishment.
Some people think that shit's okay, I personally don't. It creates a lot more problems than it solves.
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On November 02 2011 11:41 Sleight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 11:37 InvalidID wrote:On November 02 2011 11:35 Sleight wrote:On November 02 2011 11:31 InvalidID wrote:On November 02 2011 11:28 Sleight wrote:On November 02 2011 11:25 InvalidID wrote:On November 02 2011 11:21 Sleight wrote:On November 02 2011 11:17 InvalidID wrote:On November 02 2011 11:13 CapnAmerica wrote:On November 02 2011 10:58 Kimaker wrote:
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Exactly. It's not the style of punishment that's bad, it's the delivery. Corporal punishment can be an effective way to teach lessons, but this was not a lesson. I agree. I was raised with corporal punishment and it's absolutely fine to smack a kid (in a non-damaging way) to get a point across that words cannot. This, though, was stupid vengeance and absolutely disgusting. It's child abuse. He's telling his daughter that she doesn't deserve to live in that house, how bad she is, and after he gets mad and talks all that shit to her he leaves and comes back saying he didn't get his beating in yet. Jesus Christ. That's not parenting, that's a little man with anger issues taking them out on someone who has to depend upon him. Disgusting. There's a difference between punishment and taking out your anger on a young girl. Anybody who knows how to parent knows that when you interact with people (let alone your own children) you should act out of fairness, not abusing others for your own iniquities. What? Why do you think it is fine? What point can you get across that words cannot? http://www.cmaj.ca/content/161/7/805.long Seems to indicate it does far more harm then good. "Among the respondents without a history of physical or sexual abuse during childhood, those who reported being slapped or spanked "often" or "sometimes" had significantly higher lifetime rates of anxiety disorders (adjusted odds ratio [OR] 1.43, 95% confidence interval [CI] 1.04-1.96), alcohol abuse or dependence (adjusted OR 2.02, 95% CI 1.27-3.21) and one or more externalizing problems (adjusted OR 2.08, 95% CI 1.36-3.16), compared with those who reported "never" being slapped or spanked. There was also an association between a history of slapping or spanking and major depression, but it was not statistically significant (adjusted OR 1.64, 95% CI 0.96-2.80)." This is based on logical fallacy. It implies causation when actually, it is NOT that people who are beaten are more likely to develop anxiety disorders, etc ... BECAUSE of the punishment. It IS that, in families and socioeconomic situations where corporal punishment is being used, the circumstances are more likely to result in anxiety disorders, etc... Corporal punishment is exponentially higher in the Bible belt and in poor socioeconomic states, which are both associated with situations more conducive to the study's findings than the direct punishments. Your argument misses the point entirely. Ok here is a longitudinal study that takes into account various confounding variables, and same result: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/125/5/e1057 Only looks at THREE YEAR OLDS. Who beats a three year old? I dunno. I will completely concede that point, but that study is incredibly limited and has no bearing on the use of corporal punishment in general, only on three year olds. Three year olds don't understand causation yet, how could they learn from almost ANY method, including corporal punishment. EDIT: Also, this DOES NOT ADJUST FOR SOCIOECONOMICS. So I disregard it. That is an incredibly POORLY corrected study. Any study looking at behavior without socioeconomic stratification is a waste of time. Did you actually read it? Table 2 bro. All the factors they adjusted for, including "Mother's annual household income," education level, and "Use of drugs and/or alcohol" Lol. You do know "Mother's annual household income" is NOT EQUAL TO "Socioeconomic status." If you judge socioeconomic status you look at WEALTH, which is equated to total worth of fiscal assets. If you knew anything on the subject you'd know that AT THE SAME INCOME, wealth disparities exist between different social, racial, and ethnic groups. Income MEANS NOTHING in and of itself. The average white mother at a given income is likely to have almost TWICE THE WEALTH as the average black mother at the same income. I am finishing up and getting ready to go into Peds. You can't quote bad study data in my field and tell me it is relevant. Their have been sharp criticisms about old statification measures by anyone who actually works in health care disparities. Race is also included. Between race, education level, and income I think you get a pretty good idea of socioeconomic status. It also included marital status. Reread what I said. You are simply wrong. In MODERN EPIDEMIOLOGY, it is NOT acceptable to use "Income" in place of "Wealth." There is no argument. This is the established trend because studies found that income gave no accurate indication of socioeconomic status. Why? because of what I said. You cannot substitute income for financial means, because it doesn't account for debt or property. Two women have the same income. One has thousands of dollars in debt. Do they have the same FUNCTIONAL income? No. One has a house, one rents. Do they have the same fiscal assests? No. One has a car, the other rides the bus. Do they have the same value of possessions? No. You are simply wrong. No actual discussion.
Correlation between income and wealth: http://econpapers.repec.org/paper/oecelsaab/65-en.htm
Result: Highly correlated. The only real discrepancy was controlled by age, which is logical.
Please provide studies that show no correlation between income and socioeconomic status which you seem to be calling wealth, despite the fact that they are slightly different things. You can be a rich redneck, or a broke socialite.
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On November 02 2011 11:32 1Eris1 wrote:
I'm suprised some people are saying corporal punishment helped them. If my dad ever tried to hit me I probably would have stabbed him or something.
Pretty sure they're countless studies out there showing corporally punished kids with more problems on average than other kids.
Honestly. Just take away her internet. wtf
Riiiight.... That's a pretty reasonable reaction to physical punishment by your parent.
If anything, in the short term physical punishment like this teaches you real quick that what you did was wrong and that you should not do it again. Otherwise, you know what's coming. Is this the best way to go about punishment? more than likely not. Long term could this lead to the child punishing their children like this? Probably so. However, there is also the possibility that the kid grows up remembering how painful and scary this was and thinks to them self, there's probably a much better way to go about disciplining my children than that. And hence, cognition takes over.
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This calls for an eye for an eye.
Beat him with a belt then release the video. Also some jail time for child abuse should be sufficient. Because hes a judge he should be more severely punished as well, maybe a slightly longer sentence or something.
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Whelp its already out on the internet.
I think we all know what that means. This guy..... is fucked.
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On November 02 2011 11:33 Perseverance wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 11:23 DigiGnar wrote:On November 02 2011 11:13 GhostFall wrote:
Yeah the actual punishment doesn't seem bad at all to me.
He whipped her with a belt below the waist. I'd be worried if he started hitting her face or something, but below the waist is just pain for punishment.
I don't see abuse, I just see strict parenting. I think it's stupid so many people see this as abuse. More kids need this type of punishment nowadays.
The part where he got angry tho, is the part that is questionable. You've gotta be a troll, or don't know what it's like to be loved. Strict parenting? How is taking your anger out on your child strict parenting? How bad is it to use the internet? Does it literally deserve being physically and verbally abused like that? Do you understand how this is going to affect her? SHIT, the world DEPENDS on the internet, and she's probably going to be afraid for the rest of her life to use it. He did hit her above the waist, and even threatened to beat her in the face if you didn't hear that. "I'll beat your fucking face with a closed fist!!!" Seriously, how the fuck is that okay? I can't love my dad because he used to beat the crap out of me. I can forgive him, but I don't care if he dies. In fact, I used to wish he would die. Every night, I would pray for him to be stabbed at the prison he worked at. Think that's okay for a child to do every night? Think it's natural and healthy? The fact that she posted this in such a fashion tells me she probably fantasized about killing her parents time and time again, probably every night when she was trying to sleep, but couldn't. I don't know exactly what "beat the crap out of me" entails but I got it pretty good from my dad, for some pretty "weak" reasons and I don't hold it against him. I realized at a young age that A. he was trying to help me and B. his efforts, while the most effective given the tools he possessed for the job...still didn't give him the desired effect. Essentially I was beat for "nothing" 9 times out of 10. Regardless of that fact I am still thankful I wasn't one of those little shits that never got actual punishment.
You realize there is a HUGE difference between getting beat and abused and being punished by spanking or being grounded.
BTW being beat for doing "nothing" is not a good thing...that is no different than being a "a little shit that never got actual punishment." Again, difference being a victim of a "drunk" beating than being punished for reasonable offenses
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My parents used to beat me like this....
Fuck them, this one seems pretty mild in comparison.
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On November 02 2011 10:36 darkscream wrote:
Some people like beating their kids.
If only there were more people who beat those kinds of people..
Unfortunately that is a crime, unlike beating your kids.
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On November 02 2011 11:22 InvalidID wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 11:19 SilverLeagueElite wrote:On November 02 2011 10:40 Coutcha wrote:On November 02 2011 10:37 Dacendoran wrote:
I'm fairly certain this is legal, he never struck her in the face or with anything other than a belt, let alone a closed fist. It's a parent's job to decide how their children get punished and while this guy is a dick I don't think legally anything will come of it. Outside of the justice system though I hope he feels some kind of ramifications for this. o.O wtf this is legal?????? really Don't know when legality crosses over into child abuse. From my own experience, Asian parents dole out discipline(beatings) as harsh if not harsher than the video and would be considered child abuse by western standards. I've personally received much worse. Poor immigrant single mother with no English vs a kid who threw rocks into windows and passing cars but was finally caught shoplifting by the police. My mom handed me a beat down. I guess it's just a cultural difference between east and west. Regarding the video, I don't think the parents are mentally stable. The simplest solution would be to take away her internet. Jesus christ, I hope you understand that cultural differences(whether between Western vs Asian, Western vs Rural Western) do not justify domestic violence of any sort.
Of course. At no point was I defending their actions.
Also, it seems to me that the Asian mentality regards beatings as kinda acceptable. You take your beating and move on.
In the west, because beatings are not accepted in the culture, if someone gets beat, they might be traumatized for life.
I'm not saying any of it is right or wrong. Just offering a little perspective.
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On November 02 2011 11:42 Spacekyod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 11:32 1Eris1 wrote:
I'm suprised some people are saying corporal punishment helped them. If my dad ever tried to hit me I probably would have stabbed him or something.
Pretty sure they're countless studies out there showing corporally punished kids with more problems on average than other kids.
Honestly. Just take away her internet. wtf Riiiight.... That's a pretty reasonable reaction to physical punishment by your parent. If anything, in the short term physical punishment like this teaches you real quick that what you did was wrong and that you should not do it again. Otherwise, you know what's coming. Is this the best way to go about punishment? more than likely not. Long term could this lead to the child punishing their children like this? Probably so. However, there is also the possibility that the kid grows up remembering how painful and scary this was and thinks to them self, there's probably a much better way to go about disciplining my children than that. And hence, cognition takes over.
I'm talking about abuse, which this is.
Of course I'm not going to stab my dad if he slaps me on the head or something.
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On November 02 2011 11:47 dgwow wrote:
Texas is pretty crazy.. these southern states need to be brought into the modern world..
Lol. Please don't judge the entire state of Texas by the actions of one family.
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On November 02 2011 11:42 InvalidID wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 11:41 Sleight wrote:On November 02 2011 11:37 InvalidID wrote:On November 02 2011 11:35 Sleight wrote:On November 02 2011 11:31 InvalidID wrote:On November 02 2011 11:28 Sleight wrote:On November 02 2011 11:25 InvalidID wrote:On November 02 2011 11:21 Sleight wrote:On November 02 2011 11:17 InvalidID wrote:On November 02 2011 11:13 CapnAmerica wrote:
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I agree. I was raised with corporal punishment and it's absolutely fine to smack a kid (in a non-damaging way) to get a point across that words cannot. This, though, was stupid vengeance and absolutely disgusting.
It's child abuse. He's telling his daughter that she doesn't deserve to live in that house, how bad she is, and after he gets mad and talks all that shit to her he leaves and comes back saying he didn't get his beating in yet. Jesus Christ. That's not parenting, that's a little man with anger issues taking them out on someone who has to depend upon him.
Disgusting. There's a difference between punishment and taking out your anger on a young girl. Anybody who knows how to parent knows that when you interact with people (let alone your own children) you should act out of fairness, not abusing others for your own iniquities. What? Why do you think it is fine? What point can you get across that words cannot? http://www.cmaj.ca/content/161/7/805.long Seems to indicate it does far more harm then good. "Among the respondents without a history of physical or sexual abuse during childhood, those who reported being slapped or spanked "often" or "sometimes" had significantly higher lifetime rates of anxiety disorders (adjusted odds ratio [OR] 1.43, 95% confidence interval [CI] 1.04-1.96), alcohol abuse or dependence (adjusted OR 2.02, 95% CI 1.27-3.21) and one or more externalizing problems (adjusted OR 2.08, 95% CI 1.36-3.16), compared with those who reported "never" being slapped or spanked. There was also an association between a history of slapping or spanking and major depression, but it was not statistically significant (adjusted OR 1.64, 95% CI 0.96-2.80)." This is based on logical fallacy. It implies causation when actually, it is NOT that people who are beaten are more likely to develop anxiety disorders, etc ... BECAUSE of the punishment. It IS that, in families and socioeconomic situations where corporal punishment is being used, the circumstances are more likely to result in anxiety disorders, etc... Corporal punishment is exponentially higher in the Bible belt and in poor socioeconomic states, which are both associated with situations more conducive to the study's findings than the direct punishments. Your argument misses the point entirely. Ok here is a longitudinal study that takes into account various confounding variables, and same result: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/125/5/e1057 Only looks at THREE YEAR OLDS. Who beats a three year old? I dunno. I will completely concede that point, but that study is incredibly limited and has no bearing on the use of corporal punishment in general, only on three year olds. Three year olds don't understand causation yet, how could they learn from almost ANY method, including corporal punishment. EDIT: Also, this DOES NOT ADJUST FOR SOCIOECONOMICS. So I disregard it. That is an incredibly POORLY corrected study. Any study looking at behavior without socioeconomic stratification is a waste of time. Did you actually read it? Table 2 bro. All the factors they adjusted for, including "Mother's annual household income," education level, and "Use of drugs and/or alcohol" Lol. You do know "Mother's annual household income" is NOT EQUAL TO "Socioeconomic status." If you judge socioeconomic status you look at WEALTH, which is equated to total worth of fiscal assets. If you knew anything on the subject you'd know that AT THE SAME INCOME, wealth disparities exist between different social, racial, and ethnic groups. Income MEANS NOTHING in and of itself. The average white mother at a given income is likely to have almost TWICE THE WEALTH as the average black mother at the same income. I am finishing up and getting ready to go into Peds. You can't quote bad study data in my field and tell me it is relevant. Their have been sharp criticisms about old statification measures by anyone who actually works in health care disparities. Race is also included. Between race, education level, and income I think you get a pretty good idea of socioeconomic status. It also included marital status. Reread what I said. You are simply wrong. In MODERN EPIDEMIOLOGY, it is NOT acceptable to use "Income" in place of "Wealth." There is no argument. This is the established trend because studies found that income gave no accurate indication of socioeconomic status. Why? because of what I said. You cannot substitute income for financial means, because it doesn't account for debt or property. Two women have the same income. One has thousands of dollars in debt. Do they have the same FUNCTIONAL income? No. One has a house, one rents. Do they have the same fiscal assests? No. One has a car, the other rides the bus. Do they have the same value of possessions? No. You are simply wrong. No actual discussion. Correlation between income and wealth: http://econpapers.repec.org/paper/oecelsaab/65-en.htmResult: Highly correlated.
Lol. Doesn't stratify by race. You are just embarrassing yourself. You have to separate along all demographics. not just ones that you'd like to admit. Furthermore, it doesn't look solely at America. Racial inequalities in other countries are not as severe as in America. Which you'd know if you read studies instead of just Googling them.
EDIT: So I realized that isn't obvious enough for you... You are taking a SERIOUS INEQUALITY and matching it up with 4 situations where they have MINOR INEQUALITY. The Pediatric study was done in AMERICA. So you need studies looking at AMERICAN wealth and income gaps by race, education, and social status. Studies aren't universal, bro.
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I felt angry watching that. I am so glad that my father is much better than that and believes in a non-physical method to punish kids. Plus he is smart enough to know that corporal punishment is not a good idea after you sent your child to karate lessons for ~10 years. I do feel sorry for the woman and that she was raised in such an environment. People who act like dictators in their homes should learn from real dictators about how it can come back to haunt you. Oh and I am half-asian, my mother is japanese and I know a bit about japanese culture (don't speak it though).
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I was spanked (slapped basically) on the behind/back/arms if I did something morally wrong as a kid, and I think that is fine. I can't remember the phrase I'm thinking of (something like negative enforcement? dunno) but to do a light physical act to enforce a *moral* value is fine to me. Like if I took a sweet from my brother, I would be told not to take things with out asking and give him 2 of my own sweets. If I did something more serious, say, bullied or picked on another kid, I'd get taken away from where ever I was and spanked. Not so much that it properly hurt, but that I would definitely not enjoy it and by association not pick on the kid again.
So light physical enforcement of some kind is important IMO, but, this fucking creep does not deserve to be a parent, let alone a freaking judge. Belting his daughter seemingly as hard as he can, repeatedly, goes so far over the line he cant even see it anymore.
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On November 02 2011 11:42 Spacekyod wrote:
However, there is also the possibility that the kid grows up remembering how painful and scary this was and thinks to them self, there's probably a much better way to go about disciplining my children than that. And hence, cognition takes over.
There are always moments as a parent when you feel frustrated. When your methods, no matter what they are, don't seem to have the desired effect in the behavior of your child. During these moments of frustration, whatever was done to you as a child is very likely to be your go-to plan B.
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uhhh there's spanking and then there's beating. he's basically well beyond assaulting her lol
it's obviously fucking wrong, every part of it
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