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On January 05 2013 05:59 Spyridon wrote:


I somewhat disagree with "no indications that they were being lazy".

The game mode was playable at blizzcon 2010!

I'm a software developer too, and have a good knowledge of game development, and there's no way in hell you couldn't get the TDM from 2010 to be fun and playable with 2 years of work. Better yet, just take the 7-8 months since they announced the delay to PvP, in that amount of time you could easily have all the problems solved.

If you are working on a TDM mode for 2 years and can't get it fun and playable, that reeks of laziness.

On January 05 2013 06:11 JustJonny wrote:


maybe it just reeks of priorities? they have put a lot of effort into trying to fix the pve game since release and they also have other projects going on. i'm not really trying to defend the pvp (or lack thereof) situation, but insinuating the dev is just being lazy is a stretch to me.

On January 05 2013 12:08 Wuster wrote:
The specifically said they re-prioritized and put a huge effort into redesigning Legendaries.

I'm not sure how much effort was really needed to do the new shrines or paragon levels.

Ubers probably took a lot of work too.

So they definitely decided to work on PvE over PvP for I guess the majority of the time after release (although 1.0.4 had a lot of PvP-ish stuff data-mined in the game files).

At it's heart Diablo is a dungeon crawler, so I'm not surprised they did this. And after I got over my complete and total disappointment over this announcement I remember I've enjoyed the game plenty; especially the 1.0.4 and 1.0.5 patches.

I do think that Jay Wilson needs to learn to keep his mouth shut and he'd stop pissing everyone off. I also think that if they were going to give up on giving us a balanced PvP system; dueling should have been available from day 1. At least that'd let them collect data on what kind of things might cause problems in PvP ya? *cough* CM wiz *cough*.

On January 05 2013 12:08 Wuster wrote:
The specifically said they re-prioritized and put a huge effort into redesigning Legendaries.

I'm not sure how much effort was really needed to do the new shrines or paragon levels.

Ubers probably took a lot of work too.

So they definitely decided to work on PvE over PvP for I guess the majority of the time after release (although 1.0.4 had a lot of PvP-ish stuff data-mined in the game files).

On January 05 2013 11:52 Spyridon wrote:


First off, they haven't done a patch to the game at all that wasn't a bug fix in months, nor announced anything big, so who knows what their priorities are right now.

More importantly (and responding to your question), they promised something "soon after launch", further went to say it would be "almost a disaster" if it didnt make it in 2012. They claimed those working on PvP and PvE were different people. Which means there should have been a number of people developing PvP the entire time. So why would a devoted number of people not be able to get TDM functional in 2 years from blizzcon, or 7-8 months since game release?

Either it is laziness, or they "changed priorities" and took those developers off of PvP for all that time, and led us to believe they were working on it the entire time. If that was the case we should have been notified of it when it happened, not this many months after release. And as a respectable development company they should have not made promises before they were ready to keep them. Either situation is a betrayal to the customers.

I could give a damn paragon levels, and would gladly have gave it up for what they promised me before release. Because that made a difference in me buying the game at release. I know over 10 people who bought D3 on release. Not a single one of them cared about paragon levels, and a few of them actually expressed how paragon levels were a bad idea because they don't want to grind that much. At the same time, more than half of them have said they don't plan on going back to D3 at all until PvP is implemented.

Should we feel any less betrayed as customers if they are putting other things higher priority than what they promised us before release?

i can't answer your question of "why" they haven't made TDM (or pvp) functional yet, but i doubt it's because the dev team said "fuck it" and browsed /r/funny for 7-8 months.

On January 05 2013 12:08 Wuster wrote:
The specifically said they re-prioritized and put a huge effort into redesigning Legendaries.

I'm not sure how much effort was really needed to do the new shrines or paragon levels.

Ubers probably took a lot of work too.

So they definitely decided to work on PvE over PvP for I guess the majority of the time after release (although 1.0.4 had a lot of PvP-ish stuff data-mined in the game files).

At it's heart Diablo is a dungeon crawler, so I'm not surprised they did this. And after I got over my complete and total disappointment over this announcement I remember I've enjoyed the game plenty; especially the 1.0.4 and 1.0.5 patches.

I do think that Jay Wilson needs to learn to keep his mouth shut and he'd stop pissing everyone off. I also think that if they were going to give up on giving us a balanced PvP system; dueling should have been available from day 1. At least that'd let them collect data on what kind of things might cause problems in PvP ya? *cough* CM wiz *cough*.

On January 05 2013 17:56 JustJonny wrote:


i'm not trying to get in a big argument here, but you just sound so entitled. calling the devs lazy because they haven't put what you want in the game is ridiculous. i wouldn't be playing still if they hadn't added paragon levels, ubers, changed drops, etc. so they have kept me in their player base. i can't answer your question of "why" they haven't made TDM (or pvp) functional yet, but i doubt it's because the dev team said "fuck it" and browsed /r/funny for 7-8 months.

On January 06 2013 07:45 Aceace wrote:


Huge effort on legendaries? Seriously?
They did absolutely nothing about legendaries.. Let me give you examples

20-40% chance to cast a Poison Nova when you are hit.
15-35% chance to explode with knives when hit by enemies.
25-50% chance to cause Shock Pulse to erupt from your enemies when you hit them.
25-50% chance to be surrounded by balls of Arcane Power when attacking.
This ring sometimes calls forth a Treasure Goblin when you are hit.
You drain life from enemies around you.
This ring occasionally haunts nearby enemies.
Chance to launch an explosive ball of Hellfire when you attack.
20-30% chance to be protected by a shield of bones when you are hit.
You have a chance to be shielded when hit by enemies.
Burn the ground you walk on.

Are these really requires effort? Look. They didn't implent some new, exciting legendaries. They put (maybe) some tricky visual effects on items but they increased their stats. For example. New "Andariels Visage" gives more crit and Attack speed then legacy one. This forces us to think "hmm this seems good." And it is really good. But not because of Poison Nova. We don't care about poison nova. I'm using an Andy for MP0 farm. It gives 9AS and 4.5Crit. I have no idea what is Poison Nova's chance :D

Huge effort on legendaries = Moar stats.

Übers Need effort? Hmm.
SK-Magda. At SK's chamber.
Ghom-Rakanoth At Ghom's chamber
Kulle-SB At SB's chamber.

As you can see there is 0 effort for übers. What about others? Hmm....They also add Keywardens. Total: 4 monsters. 4 keys. 1 Machine. 1 Ring. 2 Plans.

They are not lazy. They have absolutely no idea how to proceed, what should they do. But they are really good at fakeing. "Look more hidden paragon levels. Go farm..."

I am hopeless for PvP. Really. There is a light at the end of tunnel but this light is moving towards us.

On January 06 2013 08:04 Spyridon wrote:


Saying "They havent put what I want in the game" is dumbing down the reality of the situation very much and trying to displace the blame on to me, as if I did something wrong...

It's not what "I want in the game". It's what they PROMISED was going to be in the game before release! I purchased the game on the pretenses that the PvP deathmatch mode was going to be added soon after release. They specifically said there was going to be a PvP deathmatch mode. They specifically said in the few months after release.

Here is an exact quote from their QA: "PvP Arenas will only be a few months after release, and in that time people will be trying out classes and perfecting their gear and builds. When they do arrive they’ll be an awesome addition to the game, and players will be ready to face off in some awesome PvP action in a designed and crafted experience."

You shared the type of player you are, and that's fine. But I was one of the few people who actually played D2 for the PvP, not giving a crap if it was balanced or not. I still have screenshots somewhere of my perf PvP WW sin gear I used to have, for my WW sin I remade at least a dozen times and based the stats around that gear. That's the reason I played Diablo, not for the PvE, I only PvE'ed for the PvP gear and to build around it. If they did not make those promises I would not have bought the game at all, and they took my money and then did not hold up their side of the bargain.

That's not entitlement on my part, that's shady business practice on their part. Why are you even defending them and acting like I did anything wrong, when they broke their word to not just me but all of us??

On January 06 2013 09:08 JustJonny wrote:


i'm not blaming you for anything other than acting entitled and posting whiny rants. you bought the game and knew pvp was not a feature at release. this was a gamble on your part and i guess you lost. i am 100% sure this is neither the first or last game you'll buy and regret.

On January 06 2013 09:40 Spyridon wrote:


As I mentioned, that's not entitlement on my part (at least not in the derogatory sense you are using it). I have just reason for being pissed off that they did not deliver on their promises.

Blizzard was a respectable company with a respectable name. You act like it was a "gamble" for something they said FOR SURE was going to be in game during that time period. It should never be a gamble to trust a respectable company on their word. As a direct result of these actions Blizzard has turned from a respectable company in to a company that has no problem with shady business practices.

They were the ones that made the real mistake. They are the ones that are going to be living with their decisions. Their bad PR, the crashing of their RMAH market, and declining sales with every release outside the Starcraft series are evidence of this (maybe even the SC series will suffer too, we'll see with HotS). You can say I'm acting "entitled and whiny" all you want, but if that were true it doesn't explain why Blizzards reputation is at an all-time low when they were once the most respected company in the business, and that's due to their actions, not mine.

There are millions of people who are pissed off for the same reasons I am. You are the minority, not me. It's a joke that you are actually defending them. That's just making yourself look bad since your supporting a company/development team that lied to you.

Once again I ask, why are you defending them and acting like I did anything wrong, when they broke their word not just to me but to all of us? (including you)

On January 06 2013 09:57 JustJonny wrote:
where did i defend them? i just said i believed your assumption of dev laziness was incorrect and that i don't like the general theme of your posts. also that i like the game and am not personally furious at blizzard for it.

On January 06 2013 12:50 Spyridon wrote:


You really have to ask where?

1) Saying anyone is entitled for expecting what the developers promised, furthermore going so far as calling their promises a "gamble", is defending their shady business practices that everyone should be upset about, whether they PvP or not. If developer promises are a gamble then how could you possibly say there is not some sort of shady business going on??

2) Trying to point fingers at others saying people are upset because "they didnt put what YOU want in the game" is defending them by displacing the blame on to the customers (who were lied to) instead of where it belongs (on the developers who lied to us in order to get us to by the game, which in effect ripped us off).

3) Even arguing with the lazy comments are defending them somewhat, because that was just one of the likely scenarios mentioned. You and I both know I've said laziness was only one of the outcomes, yet you keep holding on to that and saying it was incorrect. Yet you ignore the fact that if it wasn't laziness, that's an even worse outcome for us all as customers.

Now before I say more on this subject, don't get me wrong. I understand how this point could be easily debated and understand not everyone is going to agree, but I know first hand exactly how much work it takes to develop a TDM mode with their features. If you'd like you can PM me and I'll link you to a youtube video of a multiplayer game with a dedicated server where I designed the netcode/character controller/mode/scoreboard/the map/most the art, and I'm not even an artist, so creating my below-average art took longer than it would take an artist to create decent art.

The entire thing only took me a few months (not even doing it full time), and the majority of the work was the character controller, netcode and physics. The mode itself was one of the smaller projects to create in mere weeks, and most of that was to get a couple of the scoreboard and stat bugs out.

Considering they had their TDM mode fully playable with partly functional matchmaking years before release (even ready enough for the public to try in 2010), even a couple people could have had the mode fully playable in the time they had.

So do I think it's laziness? Laziness is one of the most likely scenarios. If it wasn't laziness than we were betrayed even worse than if it was laziness. If they had even a few people working on the PvP for more than 2-3 months and they couldn't get it to be fun and playable, laziness is the only answer. If they did not have people working on the PvP, if they decided TDM wasnt going to be profitable enough for them, or if they decided "screw what we promised, lets just scratch the mode", that is just another example of shady business practice when they consistently led us to believe things that weren't true and screwed us in the end. Which is worse than laziness.

Now, I know you got what made you happy and kept you playing. But you really should realize that a big majority of the people are just as pissed off as I am, or even more, and we have every right to be. Can you really deny that making a blog promising PvP TDM in a few months then not only failing to deliver, but canceling it completely, is shady business? It's only by a advertising technicality that what they did is even legal, since it was said in a blog session...