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On January 10 2013 03:25 Infernal_dream wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 23:33 Douillos wrote:On January 09 2013 21:37 Ricjames wrote:On January 09 2013 21:28 CamTSU wrote:On January 09 2013 20:53 Douillos wrote:On January 09 2013 20:20 Ricjames wrote:
Honestly... i don't care anymore. I have not touched D3 for months and i don't miss a single thing about it. Just a week after release, the truth of D3 showed up. The game was released in a disastrous condition and totally unprepared and everyone knows it. You can not expect anything good from a team that has released such a mess instead of the game everyone expected. I was sure i will be playing D3 for years and it will be the next big thing, but unfortunately Blizzard just failed hard.
I was sad and dissapointed, now i just don't care. It will be a nice surprise if they actually manage to release some new stuff that will overcome my expectation.
And you come and check the D3 forum because? Because it's interesting to watch this train wreck continue to spiral downward. It's like watching the titanic 3/4's of the way sunk, you have no intention of ever boarding that ship again, but you just want to watch it go down. Plus it's kind of mindblowing in a way to watch discussion from people that still believe in the game, it amazes me that people still play or believe in this development team. Thank you.. also i have some free time at work so i am reading all kinds of forums. I am still interested in the discussion and future development of D3. I also want to see opinions of other people. I just don't care about playing the game at this moment and i don't trust the D3 developer team. Also Douillos, i don't understand why do you even bother to post what you posted. Obviously trying to be a smartass... LoL, the guy starts his post saying: "Honestly I dont care anymore", and im trying to be a smart ass??? You said "I am still interested [...] future development of D3". So you posting makes sense, but he is just obviously trolling, and my answer was just me wanting to make sure. Just ignore the trolls. They probably do play the game and won't admit it because they're too busy riding the "d3 is complete shit" bandwagon. It's not the best game ever, but it's playable for exactly what it is.
You are correct at the beginning I "jumped on the bandwagon" to voice my displeasure with the design direction that D3 was taking. I personally thought they should of nerfed inferno just a tad bit, not turn it into this stupid candy land "you can turn it up to increase your difficulty!!" MP1-10 should of just been called something else or just increase the drop rates to reduce time you spend grinding upgrades just to go from Act 1 to Act 2. But no, they just turn everything down to nightmare level, add a small HP/Damage scaler into the game, and then called it good. Is it any wonder that people farm mp0 for exp runs?
I leveled 2 characters to max level, didn't care for either of them. I have played for close to 100 hours combined across all characters because there just wasn't anything else to play at the time and my friends played D3 as well. Just looking at all the design choices and excuses they gave each month in the developer blogs just made me lose interest more and more. I played hardcore when it first came out for ~50 hours, quit until paragon was introduced, played another 50 hours and now im so sick of it I don't even have it installed on my computer.
That isn't to say I won't periodically check back to see if blizzard has pulled their heads out of their asses and no it isn't "playable" for exactly what it is. The only thing I've been waiting on since i was sick of killing Act 3 Elites for the 6,000th time was pvp, yet now there is no pvp. There is a dueling system that SHOULD of been in at release. I also wouldn't be surprised to find out that it will be a DLC addition. The fact that Blizzard is turning into a lot of companies that release games way too early and then hope to keep just enough interest till the next patch comes out sickens me, then to have them try to use their past success of "not releasing till we are confident its at a state we are happy with" for why PVP isn't being released is mind blowing SINCE THEY SHOULDN'T OF FUCKING RELEASED DIABLO 3 WITHOUT PVP IN THE FIRST PLACE IF THEY ARE SO STUCK ON NOT RELEASING THINGS THEY AREN'T HAPPY WITH.
I own 4 Diablo II+Lod Keys and I paid full price for them all. I own one diablo 3 copy I bought midnight release and then i bought another for 10$ for my wife when Toys R Us clearanced out the PC games they had. However unlike Diablo III Im still playing Diablo LOD years after it was released, it is fun to periodically come back, grind out levels in baal runs and then play the gear game.
I can't say the same for Diablo 3, I'm just gonna have to sit around and wait and see if they make this game worth the 60$ I spent on it. I tried to enjoy diablo 3, I tried to enjoy the story line, the characters, the armors, but I'm not lying to myself anymore. The armors look like some WoW reject armor, the story line comparatively to the other Diablo Games is complete and utter shit(if you didn't see that leah wasn't going to play some massive role in reviving diablo you are just stupid or just escaped past all the cut scenes) and the characters themselves aren't even fleshed out that well. Take a look at even Vanilla Diablo II and the skills sets comparatively to Diablo III, you can't seriously tell me that there are more variety and better skills in Diablo III.
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On January 10 2013 07:37 Aceace wrote:
Hardcore pvp?
They never promised that. Diablo 2 PvP wasn't a hardcore pvp too. Also Diablo PvP is always for fun. (I mean really fun.) No one wants to see PvP ratings or anything like that. Are you sure we talk about same Diablo?
We want to fight with our friends and cut their ears. Thats all!
They never said "hardcore PvP".
But they did say they wanted to "legitimize" PvP in D3. Which could be interpreted as hardcore.
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Take a look at even Vanilla Diablo II and the skills sets comparatively to Diablo III, you can't seriously tell me that there are more variety and better skills in Diablo III.
As I recall there tended to be one killer build for each class in D2. WW Barb, Hammerdin, FO Sorc, Bowazon with Strafe or MS, Necro using IM/BG.
Also due to the way the skill system worked, a lot of damage dealing abilities just didn't scale well enough to be used in the endgame.
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On January 10 2013 17:06 Monkeyballs25 wrote:Show nested quote +Take a look at even Vanilla Diablo II and the skills sets comparatively to Diablo III, you can't seriously tell me that there are more variety and better skills in Diablo III. As I recall there tended to be one killer build for each class in D2. WW Barb, Hammerdin, FO Sorc, Bowazon with Strafe or MS, Necro using IM/BG. Also due to the way the skill system worked, a lot of damage dealing abilities just didn't scale well enough to be used in the endgame.
The only thing I liked more about d2's stat system was that it kept the Softcore economy from being completely saturated. Because if you wanted a specialized character you had to make one. Not just change the skills. That being said, Vanilla d2's skills were bad becasue of the lack of synergy. And you're kidding nobody by saying the stat distribution was good. Minimum for weapons/armors and vit dump the rest.
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On January 10 2013 09:16 FromShouri wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 03:25 Infernal_dream wrote:On January 09 2013 23:33 Douillos wrote:On January 09 2013 21:37 Ricjames wrote:On January 09 2013 21:28 CamTSU wrote:On January 09 2013 20:53 Douillos wrote:On January 09 2013 20:20 Ricjames wrote:
Honestly... i don't care anymore. I have not touched D3 for months and i don't miss a single thing about it. Just a week after release, the truth of D3 showed up. The game was released in a disastrous condition and totally unprepared and everyone knows it. You can not expect anything good from a team that has released such a mess instead of the game everyone expected. I was sure i will be playing D3 for years and it will be the next big thing, but unfortunately Blizzard just failed hard.
I was sad and dissapointed, now i just don't care. It will be a nice surprise if they actually manage to release some new stuff that will overcome my expectation.
And you come and check the D3 forum because? Because it's interesting to watch this train wreck continue to spiral downward. It's like watching the titanic 3/4's of the way sunk, you have no intention of ever boarding that ship again, but you just want to watch it go down. Plus it's kind of mindblowing in a way to watch discussion from people that still believe in the game, it amazes me that people still play or believe in this development team. Thank you.. also i have some free time at work so i am reading all kinds of forums. I am still interested in the discussion and future development of D3. I also want to see opinions of other people. I just don't care about playing the game at this moment and i don't trust the D3 developer team. Also Douillos, i don't understand why do you even bother to post what you posted. Obviously trying to be a smartass... LoL, the guy starts his post saying: "Honestly I dont care anymore", and im trying to be a smart ass??? You said "I am still interested [...] future development of D3". So you posting makes sense, but he is just obviously trolling, and my answer was just me wanting to make sure. Just ignore the trolls. They probably do play the game and won't admit it because they're too busy riding the "d3 is complete shit" bandwagon. It's not the best game ever, but it's playable for exactly what it is. You are correct at the beginning I "jumped on the bandwagon" to voice my displeasure with the design direction that D3 was taking. I personally thought they should of nerfed inferno just a tad bit, not turn it into this stupid candy land "you can turn it up to increase your difficulty!!" MP1-10 should of just been called something else or just increase the drop rates to reduce time you spend grinding upgrades just to go from Act 1 to Act 2. But no, they just turn everything down to nightmare level, add a small HP/Damage scaler into the game, and then called it good. Is it any wonder that people farm mp0 for exp runs? I leveled 2 characters to max level, didn't care for either of them. I have played for close to 100 hours combined across all characters because there just wasn't anything else to play at the time and my friends played D3 as well. Just looking at all the design choices and excuses they gave each month in the developer blogs just made me lose interest more and more. I played hardcore when it first came out for ~50 hours, quit until paragon was introduced, played another 50 hours and now im so sick of it I don't even have it installed on my computer. That isn't to say I won't periodically check back to see if blizzard has pulled their heads out of their asses and no it isn't "playable" for exactly what it is. The only thing I've been waiting on since i was sick of killing Act 3 Elites for the 6,000th time was pvp, yet now there is no pvp. There is a dueling system that SHOULD of been in at release. I also wouldn't be surprised to find out that it will be a DLC addition. The fact that Blizzard is turning into a lot of companies that release games way too early and then hope to keep just enough interest till the next patch comes out sickens me, then to have them try to use their past success of "not releasing till we are confident its at a state we are happy with" for why PVP isn't being released is mind blowing SINCE THEY SHOULDN'T OF FUCKING RELEASED DIABLO 3 WITHOUT PVP IN THE FIRST PLACE IF THEY ARE SO STUCK ON NOT RELEASING THINGS THEY AREN'T HAPPY WITH. I own 4 Diablo II+Lod Keys and I paid full price for them all. I own one diablo 3 copy I bought midnight release and then i bought another for 10$ for my wife when Toys R Us clearanced out the PC games they had. However unlike Diablo III Im still playing Diablo LOD years after it was released, it is fun to periodically come back, grind out levels in baal runs and then play the gear game. I can't say the same for Diablo 3, I'm just gonna have to sit around and wait and see if they make this game worth the 60$ I spent on it. I tried to enjoy diablo 3, I tried to enjoy the story line, the characters, the armors, but I'm not lying to myself anymore. The armors look like some WoW reject armor, the story line comparatively to the other Diablo Games is complete and utter shit(if you didn't see that leah wasn't going to play some massive role in reviving diablo you are just stupid or just escaped past all the cut scenes) and the characters themselves aren't even fleshed out that well. Take a look at even Vanilla Diablo II and the skills sets comparatively to Diablo III, you can't seriously tell me that there are more variety and better skills in Diablo III.
Exactly and much more. I am sick of people calling someome who they do not a understand "trolling". What is so hard to get on "I do not care about playing D3 anymore, however i am interested in its development, opinions and discussion of other people". If they don't understand that, i recommend going back to elementary school. And stop calling people trolls you ignorants. Troll does not even mean anything. People might be trolling, they are certainly not trollls. Sigh
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People might be trolling, they are certainly not trollls. Sigh
Nice one.  )))))))
Enough derailing the thread... We are all pissed, we are all disappointed... But im sure we still have some faith left This is Diablo ffs :D
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On January 10 2013 18:32 Douillos wrote:Nice one. ))))))) Enough derailing the thread... We are all pissed, we are all disappointed... But im sure we still have some faith left This is Diablo ffs :D
Unfortunately not, I honestly feel like the game is beyond repair at this point. Every single thing in this game has been an absolute disaster (aside from the amazingly smooth combat). Every time I hear about a patch I get my hopes up and then I am massively disappointed.
I am absolutely loving torchlight 2 at least!
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On January 10 2013 17:06 Monkeyballs25 wrote:Show nested quote +Take a look at even Vanilla Diablo II and the skills sets comparatively to Diablo III, you can't seriously tell me that there are more variety and better skills in Diablo III. As I recall there tended to be one killer build for each class in D2. WW Barb, Hammerdin, FO Sorc, Bowazon with Strafe or MS, Necro using IM/BG. Also due to the way the skill system worked, a lot of damage dealing abilities just didn't scale well enough to be used in the endgame.
you remember things incredibly incorrectly. Fist of Hammer Paladins, Zeal Paladins, Hammerdins, Frenzy barbs, WW Barbs, pole arm barbs, necros had poison builds, bone builds, summoner builds(all of these can beat ubers solo). Sorc had tons of builds too(fireball meteor, FO/Meteor, Fireball/Blizzard) all of these builds used some similar items but also different items.(Chains of Honor vs Enigma for a sorc since she can get teleport through skills). Just because you've never researched builds doesn't mean there wasn't "more then 1 optimal build" for each class(except amazon....that is the only class that is basically bowzon but what do you expect when every skill basically is some sort of bow skill).
Also you really have no clue about endgame with your last statement. I rest my case.(Considering every class had 3-4 builds that could solo ubers/uber diablo).
On January 10 2013 17:13 Infernal_dream wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 17:06 Monkeyballs25 wrote:Take a look at even Vanilla Diablo II and the skills sets comparatively to Diablo III, you can't seriously tell me that there are more variety and better skills in Diablo III. As I recall there tended to be one killer build for each class in D2. WW Barb, Hammerdin, FO Sorc, Bowazon with Strafe or MS, Necro using IM/BG. Also due to the way the skill system worked, a lot of damage dealing abilities just didn't scale well enough to be used in the endgame. The only thing I liked more about d2's stat system was that it kept the Softcore economy from being completely saturated. Because if you wanted a specialized character you had to make one. Not just change the skills. That being said, Vanilla d2's skills were bad becasue of the lack of synergy. And you're kidding nobody by saying the stat distribution was good. Minimum for weapons/armors and vit dump the rest.
Im not talking about back back when the game was in its infancy, that is why i have a "small" glimmer of hope that blizzard can pull their shit together. Btw, you didn't have to always "dump everything into vit" especially if you played a mana shield sorceress -.-
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Most of the build diversity in D2 only came about because of
-skill buffs and nerfs over time
-skill synergy bonuses
-+skills on items
Which didn't turn up for years.
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On January 11 2013 06:19 Monkeyballs25 wrote:
Most of the build diversity in D2 only came about because of
-skill buffs and nerfs over time
-skill synergy bonuses
-+skills on items
Which didn't turn up for years.
So you're saying we should stop playing D3 and come back in 1-2 years and the game will be good right?
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On January 11 2013 06:19 Monkeyballs25 wrote:
Most of the build diversity in D2 only came about because of
-skill buffs and nerfs over time
-skill synergy bonuses
-+skills on items
Which didn't turn up for years.
Exactly, a lot of people remember how awesome D2 was after 10 years of patching. Or maybe you're younger than those of us who played at release and were lucky enough to start with the 'good' version of the game.
I played a lot of characters and abandoned a lot of characters because the skill system was very, very bad for the first few years. Lots of dead-end paths, lots of skills that stopped scaling after normal difficulty.
Synergies really made them better, but it was a long time before that came around.. The concept of a poison necro would have been laughed at for years for example.
I mean, hell you couldn't even unsocket items for THREE years. How pissed would people if that was still the case...
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That's kind of like saying - Stop complaining about Windows 8, you know how many service packs over the years it took for Windows 3.1 to be good? Heck I couldn't Remote Desktop for TEN years and you expect that to be in the new Windows?
Really tho, it not that D3 is a bad game, its that we expected it to be so much better.
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On January 12 2013 06:27 Burrfoot wrote:
Really tho, it not that D3 is a bad game, its that we expected it to be so much better.
I didn't expect it to be D2 yet. All I expected was the features they specifically told us we would be getting.
Silly me.
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On January 12 2013 06:27 Burrfoot wrote:
That's kind of like saying - Stop complaining about Windows 8, you know how many service packs over the years it took for Windows 3.1 to be good? Heck I couldn't Remote Desktop for TEN years and you expect that to be in the new Windows?
Really tho, it not that D3 is a bad game, its that we expected it to be so much better.
Wasn't really my point; just that people who compare D3 with how awesome D2 was should really consider what it took for D2 to get there.
Also, there hasn't been a Blizzard game that hasn't gone through massive transformations during its lifetime. This PvP business isn't all that different than what's happened before.
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The point is that D2 was eventually awesome, so it's dumb that Blizzard has to make the same fucking mistakes over again. That's like if you designed a car and then realized, 'Oh wow, you know power steering makes driving much better and enjoyable!', so they implement it and everyone is happy. Next car model comes out, no power steering, and then people say, 'Well shucks it took them a while to figure out it was good last time!' - sure it did, but what the fuck?
Diablo III has taken multiple steps backwards compared to Diablo II, and saying Diablo II needed time is a bullshit excuse because there's no reason why Diablo III had to regress on advancements made during Diablo II's lifecycle. Same thing with Starcraft II - next generation game, but it regressed really fucking bad in a lot of ways.
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On January 12 2013 10:27 Salv wrote:
The point is that D2 was eventually awesome, so it's dumb that Blizzard has to make the same fucking mistakes over again. That's like if you designed a car and then realized, 'Oh wow, you know power steering makes driving much better and enjoyable!', so they implement it and everyone is happy. Next car model comes out, no power steering, and then people say, 'Well shucks it took them a while to figure out it was good last time!' - sure it did, but what the fuck?
Diablo III has taken multiple steps backwards compared to Diablo II, and saying Diablo II needed time is a bullshit excuse because there's no reason why Diablo III had to regress on advancements made during Diablo II's lifecycle. Same thing with Starcraft II - next generation game, but it regressed really fucking bad in a lot of ways.
Nice analogy! ;-D
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On January 12 2013 06:08 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 06:19 Monkeyballs25 wrote:
Most of the build diversity in D2 only came about because of
-skill buffs and nerfs over time
-skill synergy bonuses
-+skills on items
Which didn't turn up for years. Exactly, a lot of people remember how awesome D2 was after 10 years of patching. Or maybe you're younger than those of us who played at release and were lucky enough to start with the 'good' version of the game. I played a lot of characters and abandoned a lot of characters because the skill system was very, very bad for the first few years. Lots of dead-end paths, lots of skills that stopped scaling after normal difficulty. Synergies really made them better, but it was a long time before that came around.. The concept of a poison necro would have been laughed at for years for example. I mean, hell you couldn't even unsocket items for THREE years. How pissed would people if that was still the case...
so how many patches did it take d2 to have team pvp...oh...wait......
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