So after 4 weeks of long gruelling matches in France we are left with two teams fighting it out for the European title! Portugal led by Ronaldo and France led by Hugo Lloris. France being the hosts will have alot of expectation on their shoulders but they also have the home crowd cheering them on which could be a huge factor! Portugal come into this final with many people wondering how, with Ronaldo scoring but still not being in his clinical form we are used to seeing him in at Real Madrid, they have only won one game inside the 90 minute time frame but still they haven't been beaten either right? This game will probably as always in finals come down to who takes there chances, with France you have the inform Greizmann who really has turned his form around in this competition after the poor first game in which he was subbed at half time along with Pogba. He has been scoring for fun and has looked very lethal, Pogba and Payet behind him supplying is also very huge for France as those two players can change the game and have done in this tournament. There has been a surprise in the back 4 with France, Evra and Sagna are old and we knew they would not be at the best and they have offered little going forward, but with Koscielny and Umtiti they have really done well together and have been very solid in front of Lloris. Lloris himself you can always count on, a world class keeper who showed it with a couple of great saves, one in the last minute vs Germany springs to mind. Portugal, well they have been interesting to say the least, Ronaldo and Nani leading the line they have clutched a few games between them, when those two click just like in the Yanited days they are fabulous to watch together. The back 4 of Portugal is a bit questionable, they have fairly rookie fullbacks but they have potential though and i have been impressed by Guerreiro though and others must have too as he recently signed for Dortmund. Add in Fonte and Pepe compliment eachother really well at the back they give good protection to Patricio in goal. The midfield is the big conundrum for me, they have such fabulous players to choose from, a gulf of spoils in the whole midfield positions, from youth to experience but the coach for me, never seems to get it right. Carvalho has always been dubbed the next great thing, add in Andre Gomes the Valencia magician and round it off with the likes of Renato Sanches and you have huge potential. Add in the experienced Moutinho too and you wonder how they have not fed Ronaldo and Nani an abundance of goals. However maybe it will click in the final? The game itself is going to be the standard final, extremely close very negative but thats what you expect in the final with two teams who do not want to lose! It will come down to whether Ronaldo will take his chances he will get and then for France it will be whether they can supply Greizmann and co if Pogba and Payet get the space to do so. So, lets find out!
Referee - Mark Clattenburg
Prediction Portugal 2-1 France CSS: FO-nTTaX Awesomeness: Panda Pictures: Sneirac
I've come to realize that I don't want host teams to win tournaments. Nothing against france in particular, but I feel that a home team winning always carries some sort of asterisk. I mean, every host team always overperforms, and if this tournament was held in italy/germany/portugal instead, I think either team would be winning. Portugal winning this would be a bigger achievement (despite their mediocre groupstage) than France winning.
And now I've just realized I'm basically arguing in favor of the 2020 host mode. Argh.
anyways always fun to have Euro cup with our fellow european brothers.. i just hope we could keep the rivalries and hate in sports and embrace our nations as brothers!
France are favorites. Portugal will very likely play defense for most of the game, trying to grab a goal from a counter or a moment of Ronaldo brilliance. We're likely to experience a boring game, unless one of the teams scores early.
Even assuming France will win, I'm very excited to see how the backbone of the team for the next 8 years - William Carvalho, Renato Sanches, André Gomes, Raphael Guerreiro and Cedric Soares - perform in the first big final of their careers. This tournament marks a transition stage in the Portuguese team, with Moutinho, Carvalho, Pepe, Fonte, Nani, Quaresma, Bruno Alves, Eliseu and Vieirinha in the twilights of their careers, most unlikely to be called again for a tournament. The generation coming, however, has shown a lot more talent at their age than the one leaving overall (even taking into account the one leaving had Ronaldo...), with Cancelo, Ruben Neves, Bernardo Silva, André Silva and Diogo Jota already showing brilliance at a very young age. Meanwhile, the U17s just won the Euro this year. Expect to see us competing into the later stages of tournaments in the decade to come.
It might be early to say but with what Renato Sanches has shown at his age, and taking into account his character and work ethic, he might be the true heir to Ronaldo's leadership role in the team.
On July 09 2016 23:06 warding wrote: France are favorites. Portugal will very likely play defense for most of the game, trying to grab a goal from a counter or a moment of Ronaldo brilliance. We're likely to experience a boring game, unless one of the teams scores early.
Even assuming France will win, I'm very excited to see how the backbone of the team for the next 8 years - William Carvalho, Renato Sanches, André Gomes, Raphael Guerreiro and Cedric Soares - perform in the first big final of their careers. This tournament marks a transition stage in the Portuguese team, with Moutinho, Carvalho, Pepe, Fonte, Nani, Quaresma, Bruno Alves, Eliseu and Vieirinha in the twilights of their careers, most unlikely to be called again for a tournament. The generation coming, however, has shown a lot more talent at their age than the one leaving overall (even taking into account the one leaving had Ronaldo...), with Cancelo, Ruben Neves, Bernardo Silva, André Silva and Diogo Jota already showing brilliance at a very young age. Meanwhile, the U17s just won the Euro this year. Expect to see us competing into the later stages of tournaments in the decade to come.
It might be early to say but with what Renato Sanches has shown at his age, and taking into account his character and work ethic, he might be the true heir to Ronaldo's leadership role in the team.
On July 09 2016 23:06 warding wrote: France are favorites. Portugal will very likely play defense for most of the game, trying to grab a goal from a counter or a moment of Ronaldo brilliance. We're likely to experience a boring game, unless one of the teams scores early.
Even assuming France will win, I'm very excited to see how the backbone of the team for the next 8 years - William Carvalho, Renato Sanches, André Gomes, Raphael Guerreiro and Cedric Soares - perform in the first big final of their careers. This tournament marks a transition stage in the Portuguese team, with Moutinho, Carvalho, Pepe, Fonte, Nani, Quaresma, Bruno Alves, Eliseu and Vieirinha in the twilights of their careers, most unlikely to be called again for a tournament. The generation coming, however, has shown a lot more talent at their age than the one leaving overall (even taking into account the one leaving had Ronaldo...), with Cancelo, Ruben Neves, Bernardo Silva, André Silva and Diogo Jota already showing brilliance at a very young age. Meanwhile, the U17s just won the Euro this year. Expect to see us competing into the later stages of tournaments in the decade to come.
It might be early to say but with what Renato Sanches has shown at his age, and taking into account his character and work ethic, he might be the true heir to Ronaldo's leadership role in the team.
I still miss Figo like no other
This was a Portuguese team only on its 5th appearence in a major international tournament ever (we used to never qualify). First game of the Euro, England were 2-0 up at 18 minutes. This goal made it 2-1 and we went on to win it 2-3. We also beat Germany 3-0 in the group stage, then went out against France in the semis after a Zidane penalty on the 117th minute.
On July 09 2016 23:06 warding wrote: France are favorites. Portugal will very likely play defense for most of the game, trying to grab a goal from a counter or a moment of Ronaldo brilliance. We're likely to experience a boring game, unless one of the teams scores early.
Even assuming France will win, I'm very excited to see how the backbone of the team for the next 8 years - William Carvalho, Renato Sanches, André Gomes, Raphael Guerreiro and Cedric Soares - perform in the first big final of their careers. This tournament marks a transition stage in the Portuguese team, with Moutinho, Carvalho, Pepe, Fonte, Nani, Quaresma, Bruno Alves, Eliseu and Vieirinha in the twilights of their careers, most unlikely to be called again for a tournament. The generation coming, however, has shown a lot more talent at their age than the one leaving overall (even taking into account the one leaving had Ronaldo...), with Cancelo, Ruben Neves, Bernardo Silva, André Silva and Diogo Jota already showing brilliance at a very young age. Meanwhile, the U17s just won the Euro this year. Expect to see us competing into the later stages of tournaments in the decade to come.
It might be early to say but with what Renato Sanches has shown at his age, and taking into account his character and work ethic, he might be the true heir to Ronaldo's leadership role in the team.
Are there any strikers in that talent pool? That looks like a really solid line of players from Portugal.
On July 09 2016 23:06 warding wrote: France are favorites. Portugal will very likely play defense for most of the game, trying to grab a goal from a counter or a moment of Ronaldo brilliance. We're likely to experience a boring game, unless one of the teams scores early.
Even assuming France will win, I'm very excited to see how the backbone of the team for the next 8 years - William Carvalho, Renato Sanches, André Gomes, Raphael Guerreiro and Cedric Soares - perform in the first big final of their careers. This tournament marks a transition stage in the Portuguese team, with Moutinho, Carvalho, Pepe, Fonte, Nani, Quaresma, Bruno Alves, Eliseu and Vieirinha in the twilights of their careers, most unlikely to be called again for a tournament. The generation coming, however, has shown a lot more talent at their age than the one leaving overall (even taking into account the one leaving had Ronaldo...), with Cancelo, Ruben Neves, Bernardo Silva, André Silva and Diogo Jota already showing brilliance at a very young age. Meanwhile, the U17s just won the Euro this year. Expect to see us competing into the later stages of tournaments in the decade to come.
It might be early to say but with what Renato Sanches has shown at his age, and taking into account his character and work ethic, he might be the true heir to Ronaldo's leadership role in the team.
Are there any strikers in that talent pool? That looks like a really solid line of players from Portugal.
André Silva from FC Porto is a striker that has shown a lot of promise in the international U19 and U21 competitions and became a starter later in the season for his club. If he doesn't pan out, we'll have to wait until José Gomes comes of age (currently 17). He was awarded golden player at the Euro U17 this year.
Really want to watch but it's at a terrible timing here in South East Asia. 3am on a Monday morning, if they go to penalties you can forget sleep and go straight to work :D
I haven't enjoyed a EURO this much since 2004 (obv. disregarding the Greece matches). 2008 and 2012 were just meh for me both in regards of football quality and entertainment.
On July 10 2016 17:26 sharkie wrote: I haven't enjoyed a EURO this much since 2004 (obv. disregarding the Greece matches). 2008 and 2012 were just meh for me both in regards of football quality and entertainment.
Personally I thought the group stage this year was terrible and it only started getting better in the playoff stage.
Portugal Hungary was the most fun match of this tournament xD
On July 10 2016 23:48 don_kyuhote wrote: I thought Euro 2008 was pretty entertaining. Netherlands smashing the 2 finalist of 2006 WC... Russia and Turkey making to the semi...
And Spain played fast-paced offensive attack, and it was not the snore fest of Spain 2010 and 2012.
First team to score wins 2 or 3-0. I expect France to blitz in the first ~10/15 minutes, and if they don't score in that timeframe, slowly lose control of the game and let Portugal play with the ball. Then if the score is still 0-0, the second half will be tense yet boring until the first goal.
So after 4 weeks of long gruelling matches in France we are left with two teams fighting it out for the European title! Portugal led by Ronaldo and France led by Hugo Lloris. France being the hosts will have alot of expectation on their shoulders but they also have the home crowd cheering them on which could be a huge factor! Portugal come into this final with many people wondering how, with Ronaldo scoring but still not being in his clinical form we are used to seeing him in at Real Madrid, they have only won one game inside the 90 minute time frame but still they haven't been beaten either right? This game will probably as always in finals come down to who takes there chances, with France you have the inform Greizmann who really has turned his form around in this competition after the poor first game in which he was subbed at half time along with Pogba. He has been scoring for fun and has looked very lethal, Pogba and Payet behind him supplying is also very huge for France as those two players can change the game and have done in this tournament. There has been a surprise in the back 4 with France, Evra and Sagna are old and we knew they would not be at the best and they have offered little going forward, but with Koscielny and Umtiti they have really done well together and have been very solid in front of Lloris. Lloris himself you can always count on, a world class keeper who showed it with a couple of great saves, one in the last minute vs Germany springs to mind. Portugal, well they have been interesting to say the least, Ronaldo and Nani leading the line they have clutched a few games between them, when those two click just like in the Yanited days they are fabulous to watch together. The back 4 of Portugal is a bit questionable, they have fairly rookie fullbacks but they have potential though and i have been impressed by Guerreiro though and others must have too as he recently signed for Dortmund. Add in Fonte and Pepe compliment eachother really well at the back they give good protection to Patricio in goal. The midfield is the big conundrum for me, they have such fabulous players to choose from, a gulf of spoils in the whole midfield positions, from youth to experience but the coach for me, never seems to get it right. Carvalho has always been dubbed the next great thing, add in Andre Gomes the Valencia magician and round it off with the likes of Renato Sanches and you have huge potential. Add in the experienced Moutinho too and you wonder how they have not fed Ronaldo and Nani an abundance of goals. However maybe it will click in the final? The game itself is going to be the standard final, extremely close very negative but thats what you expect in the final with two teams who do not want to lose! It will come down to whether Ronaldo will take his chances he will get and then for France it will be whether they can supply Greizmann and co if Pogba and Payet get the space to do so. So, lets find out!
Referee - Mark Clattenburg
Prediction Portugal 2-1 France
Line Ups!
Patricio Guerreiro Fonte Pepe Cedric Carvalho Mario Silva Sanches Nani Ronaldo
As I expect both teams really want to win this final this COULD become score heavy when one team scores early. Otherwise it could become a borefest with penalties
On July 11 2016 03:50 sharkie wrote: As I expect both teams really want to win this final this COULD become score heavy when one team scores early. Otherwise it could become a borefest with penalties
So let's hope France will play the first 10 minutes like against Germany and be more successful.
Pity we dont get third place matches in Euro. They are always exciting in WCs because these are games where both teams actually dont care about the result and thus attack
On July 11 2016 03:59 sharkie wrote: Pity we dont get third place matches in Euro. They are always exciting in WCs because these are games where both teams actually dont care about the result and thus attack
On July 11 2016 03:52 Makro wrote: why do you pick david guetta when you have kavinsky for goodness
Kavinsky disappointed me so much in main square T_T, Guetta however is pretty good in scene. Well, I don't like Portugal since the beginning of the euro but what happens to Ronaldo is a shame.
On July 11 2016 04:19 sneirac wrote: Fitting end to the tournament for me, so much potential and even more disappointment.
I suppose we can be thankful that we did not get a super hype France/Spain/Germany/Italy final that totally disappoints. I was kind of expecting to be let down by this so i can only win now even if this game will totally suck
On July 11 2016 04:18 RvB wrote: Fucking Payet man...
he played the ball, no fault from him
Is there no 'player control' type rules even when making a play on the ball like other sports have? Honest question I'm hardly a frequent watcher of the sport.
On July 11 2016 04:18 RvB wrote: Fucking Payet man...
he played the ball, no fault from him
Is there no 'player control' type rules even when making a play on the ball like other sports have? Honest question I'm hardly a frequent watcher of the sport.
It's somewhat difficult in football. You can do hard tackles and be fine if you play the ball. But if you go too hard (or from the back or something) it's still a foul.
On July 11 2016 04:18 RvB wrote: Fucking Payet man...
he played the ball, no fault from him
Is there no 'player control' type rules even when making a play on the ball like other sports have? Honest question I'm hardly a frequent watcher of the sport.
Yes there is. Playing the ball doesn't excuse you for everything.
On July 11 2016 04:21 red_ wrote:Is there no 'player control' type rules even when making a play on the ball like other sports have? Honest question I'm hardly a frequent watcher of the sport.
There is, but that looked like a fair challenge. At least, I've never seen a foul given for that tackle.
On July 11 2016 04:21 red_ wrote:Is there no 'player control' type rules even when making a play on the ball like other sports have? Honest question I'm hardly a frequent watcher of the sport.
There is, but that looked like a fair challenge. At least, I've never seen a foul given for that tackle.
Again, look at Payet's movement of his knee. It's not fair
On July 11 2016 04:24 sharkie wrote:Again, look at Payet's movement of his knee. It's not fair
I saw it. You're absolutely right that getting the ball, or even getting the ball first, isn't everything. But that wasn't a foul. Getting kicked happens.
Today I've seen english fans booing a german driver on the podium, and french fans booing and whistling a player that is injured by one their own hitting him.
On July 11 2016 04:24 Ghostcom wrote: Fuck these french fans. Seriously. Fuck them
Lol most of the stade applauds him.
You mean after he got carried out on a fucking stretcher and they had booed him twice. And now they sing their fucking national anthem. The shits only celebrated Payet. Fuck these fans.
On July 11 2016 04:28 Faruko wrote: Holy shit the amount of cry babies in this thread is amazing, shit happens...
Of course you are happy cr7 is out if you are french, is part of the game.
You guys are asking a rational reaction out of an irrational situation.
I've literally won tournaments because my opponent got injured. Happiness was NOT any of my first emotions - and if you have any shred of decency or sportsmanship in you, neither would it be yours.
EDIT: I don't blame the ref - a free kick at most, never a card.
On July 11 2016 04:24 Ghostcom wrote: Fuck these french fans. Seriously. Fuck them
Lol most of the stade applauds him.
You mean after he got carried out on a fucking stretcher and they had booed him twice. And now they sing their fucking national anthem. The shits only celebrated Payet. Fuck these fans.
maybe the fans who booed aren't the same ones who applauded him
Also for feeling sorry for Portugal--they qualified 3rd in their group behind Hungary and Iceland (the least regarded group), didn't win a regulation game until the semi-final against Wales, and got the easiest half-draw anyone's ever seen. It sucks that the final is less fun, but I would be really disappointed if they won the tournament.
On July 11 2016 04:28 Faruko wrote: Holy shit the amount of cry babies in this thread is amazing, shit happens...
Of course you are happy cr7 is out if you are french, is part of the game.
You guys are asking a rational reaction out of an irrational situation.
if france wins now people will say they only won because of CR7 injury. If I'd be a france fan I don't think I'd be happy about this.
Cuz Ronaldo has been so impressive this tournament xD If Pepe injured Griezmann, let me tell you that Portuguese fans would still celebrate the title...
Easy pattern for referees to follow: Hard foul by France - this is the EURO, hard international play is common here. Hard foul against France - clear yellow, follow the rulebook.
On July 11 2016 04:29 ZapRoffo wrote: Also what do you want the ref to do, give a straight red for that?
They want to vent, there was no foul it was just shit luck.
You could argue it's a foul because Payet was late, but that's all
Huh he got to the ball before Ronaldo was able to draw it away and hit the ball first before any other contact. And it isn't hard contact at all, it's just a bad angle or maybe one of Ronaldos injuries that he struggled with otward the end of the season flaring up.
On July 11 2016 04:36 Jacenoob wrote: Easy pattern for referees to follow: Hard foul by France - this is the EURO, hard international play is common here. Hard foul against France - clear yellow, follow the rulebook.
Hard foul? When is that ever given a foul outside of this Euro?
On July 11 2016 04:29 ZapRoffo wrote: Also what do you want the ref to do, give a straight red for that?
They want to vent, there was no foul it was just shit luck.
You could argue it's a foul because Payet was late, but that's all
Huh he got to the ball before Ronaldo was able to draw it away and hit the ball first before any other contact. And it isn't hard contact at all, it's just a bad angle or maybe one of Ronaldos injuries that he struggled with otward the end of the season flaring up.
You're totally right. I watched it again and it's not even a foul.
On July 11 2016 04:36 Jacenoob wrote: Easy pattern for referees to follow: Hard foul by France - this is the EURO, hard international play is common here. Hard foul against France - clear yellow, follow the rulebook.
On July 11 2016 04:28 Faruko wrote: Holy shit the amount of cry babies in this thread is amazing, shit happens...
Of course you are happy cr7 is out if you are french, is part of the game.
You guys are asking a rational reaction out of an irrational situation.
if france wins now people will say they only won because of CR7 injury. If I'd be a france fan I don't think I'd be happy about this.
Cuz Ronaldo has been so impressive this tournament xD If Pepe injured Griezmann, let me tell you that Portuguese fans would still celebrate the title...
3 goals and 3 assists is really good. For all the shit he gets he's important to Portugal.
On July 11 2016 04:41 Looms wrote: France should be embarrassed if they cannot win this one in regulation with literally everything going in their favor
Yeah, this could be considered as a little disaster, would be pretty bad for Hollande :D
On July 11 2016 04:44 sharkie wrote: Btw is it just me or has Portugal been the stronger team since Ronaldo left? France look so clueless
They have, France has taken the pace out of it and given away possession so now Portugal actually gets to participate and it isn't like the french defence is fantastic.
On July 11 2016 04:41 Looms wrote: France should be embarrassed if they cannot win this one in regulation with literally everything going in their favor
Yeah, this could be considered as a little disaster, would be pretty bad for Hollande :D
As the great poet Dominic Toretto once said
"It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning."
I'm not even for France (well tonight, I am xD) and I often criticize them heavily, but for the love of god can we stop already with the conspiracy theories and all the bullshit "they don't deserve", "shame if they don't win'"...
Can we just appreciate this final of a major international event that we only have every 4 years? Not even 10% of you are actually Portugal fans and should complain about these minor incidents that happen in every football match.
On July 11 2016 04:46 WillyWanker wrote: I'm not even for France (well tonight, I am xD) and I often criticize them heavily, but for the love of god can we stop already with the conspiracy theories and all the bullshit "they don't deserve", "shame if they don't win'"...
Can we just appreciate this final of a major international event that we only have every 4 years? Not even 10% of you are actually Portugal fans and should complain about these minor incidents that happen in every football match.
Problem is, we need something to do because this game is kinda dull
On July 11 2016 04:46 WillyWanker wrote: I'm not even for France (well tonight, I am xD) and I often criticize them heavily, but for the love of god can we stop already with the conspiracy theories and all the bullshit "they don't deserve", "shame if they don't win'"...
Can we just appreciate this final of a major international event that we only have every 4 years? Not even 10% of you are actually Portugal fans and should complain about these minor incidents that happen in every football match.
Problem is, we need something to do because this game is kinda dull
On July 11 2016 04:46 WillyWanker wrote: I'm not even for France (well tonight, I am xD) and I often criticize them heavily, but for the love of god can we stop already with the conspiracy theories and all the bullshit "they don't deserve", "shame if they don't win'"...
Can we just appreciate this final of a major international event that we only have every 4 years? Not even 10% of you are actually Portugal fans and should complain about these minor incidents that happen in every football match.
Problem is, we need something to do because this game is kinda dull
yeah he's acting as if every final is destined to be some type of epic battle between two titans.
On July 11 2016 04:46 WillyWanker wrote: I'm not even for France (well tonight, I am xD) and I often criticize them heavily, but for the love of god can we stop already with the conspiracy theories and all the bullshit "they don't deserve", "shame if they don't win'"...
Can we just appreciate this final of a major international event that we only have every 4 years? Not even 10% of you are actually Portugal fans and should complain about these minor incidents that happen in every football match.
Problem is, we need something to do because this game is kinda dull
Seems like everyone decided this game was dull before it even started.
On July 11 2016 04:46 WillyWanker wrote: I'm not even for France (well tonight, I am xD) and I often criticize them heavily, but for the love of god can we stop already with the conspiracy theories and all the bullshit "they don't deserve", "shame if they don't win'"...
Can we just appreciate this final of a major international event that we only have every 4 years? Not even 10% of you are actually Portugal fans and should complain about these minor incidents that happen in every football match.
I think a lot of us are fans of the game and when the best player on the pitch gets injured because of an idiotic challenge and the crowd acts unsportsmanlike it is more than justified to complain.
Meh i just want this game to be somewhat interesting and not have CR7 injury be the most interesting thing that happenend... I dont want 120 fucking minutes that end in a 0:0 and then we get penalties again
I don't think I have ever felt so badly for Ronaldo. How much bad luck do you need to have to get injured in maybe the second/most important final in your career
On July 11 2016 04:45 Hassybaby wrote: Someone wanna explain to be why Pogba is considered worth 100 million? I don't see it at all
Because you only watch extremely overrated EPL
Joke aside Pogba and Dybala playing like monster in Serie A and CL. But in France, unfortunately, he is forced to play as a defensive midfielder. Its hard to show your real skill when you dm
On July 11 2016 04:46 WillyWanker wrote: I'm not even for France (well tonight, I am xD) and I often criticize them heavily, but for the love of god can we stop already with the conspiracy theories and all the bullshit "they don't deserve", "shame if they don't win'"...
Can we just appreciate this final of a major international event that we only have every 4 years? Not even 10% of you are actually Portugal fans and should complain about these minor incidents that happen in every football match.
Problem is, we need something to do because this game is kinda dull
Seems like everyone decided this game was dull before it even started.
Mate if you think this game is exciting, more power to you. After the first 10 mins, I started nodding off at times
On July 11 2016 04:45 Hassybaby wrote: Someone wanna explain to be why Pogba is considered worth 100 million? I don't see it at all
Because you only watch extremely overrated EPL
Joke aside Pogba and Dybala playing like monster in Serie A and CL. But in France, unfortunately, he is forced to play as a defensive midfielder. Its hard to show your real skill when you dm
On July 11 2016 04:45 Hassybaby wrote: Someone wanna explain to be why Pogba is considered worth 100 million? I don't see it at all
Because you only watch extremely overrated EPL
Joke aside Pogba and Dybala playing like monster in Serie A and CL. But in France, unfortunately, he is forced to play as a defensive midfielder. Its hard to show your real skill when you dm
Pogba is a beast.
Kroos (now), Schweinsteiger (2010, 2014) played on the same position as Pogba is now. It's easy to show your skill in the DM position.
On July 11 2016 04:46 WillyWanker wrote: I'm not even for France (well tonight, I am xD) and I often criticize them heavily, but for the love of god can we stop already with the conspiracy theories and all the bullshit "they don't deserve", "shame if they don't win'"...
Can we just appreciate this final of a major international event that we only have every 4 years? Not even 10% of you are actually Portugal fans and should complain about these minor incidents that happen in every football match.
Problem is, we need something to do because this game is kinda dull
Seems like everyone decided this game was dull before it even started.
Mate if you think this game is exciting, more power to you. After the first 10 mins, I started nodding off at times
For sure Stoke-Crystal Palace type game would be more exciting xD Football-wise it's not super exciting, but there's intensity and good defending. Which final in the last years has been amazing to watch? National team tournaments.
On July 11 2016 04:46 WillyWanker wrote: I'm not even for France (well tonight, I am xD) and I often criticize them heavily, but for the love of god can we stop already with the conspiracy theories and all the bullshit "they don't deserve", "shame if they don't win'"...
Can we just appreciate this final of a major international event that we only have every 4 years? Not even 10% of you are actually Portugal fans and should complain about these minor incidents that happen in every football match.
Problem is, we need something to do because this game is kinda dull
Seems like everyone decided this game was dull before it even started.
Mate if you think this game is exciting, more power to you. After the first 10 mins, I started nodding off at times
For sure Stoke-Crystal Palace type game would be more exciting xD Football-wise it's not super exciting, but there's intensity and good defending. Which final in the last years has been amazing to watch? National team tournaments.
Palace all the way! nothing says exciting like the "fuck it, we'll hopefully score more than we concede" attitude at Selhurst P{ark
On July 11 2016 04:45 Hassybaby wrote: Someone wanna explain to be why Pogba is considered worth 100 million? I don't see it at all
Because you only watch extremely overrated EPL
Joke aside Pogba and Dybala playing like monster in Serie A and CL. But in France, unfortunately, he is forced to play as a defensive midfielder. Its hard to show your real skill when you dm
Pogba is a beast.
Kroos (now), Schweinsteiger (2010, 2014) played on the same position as Pogba is now. It's easy to show your skill in the DM position.
They are allowed to play with some creativity. I mean... Pirlo also playing in dm. But deschamps didn't let Pogba with some offensive plays. He even punished him in second match.
On July 11 2016 04:46 WillyWanker wrote: I'm not even for France (well tonight, I am xD) and I often criticize them heavily, but for the love of god can we stop already with the conspiracy theories and all the bullshit "they don't deserve", "shame if they don't win'"...
Can we just appreciate this final of a major international event that we only have every 4 years? Not even 10% of you are actually Portugal fans and should complain about these minor incidents that happen in every football match.
Problem is, we need something to do because this game is kinda dull
Seems like everyone decided this game was dull before it even started.
Mate if you think this game is exciting, more power to you. After the first 10 mins, I started nodding off at times
For sure Stoke-Crystal Palace type game would be more exciting xD Football-wise it's not super exciting, but there's intensity and good defending. Which final in the last years has been amazing to watch? National team tournaments.
Palace all the way! nothing says exciting like the "fuck it, we'll hopefully score more than we concede" attitude at Selhurst P{ark
On July 11 2016 05:07 stilt wrote: The referee seems biaised. And France is very rough since Deschamps takes the command, pretty hard to support such a team, I just can't.
Lmao. France has always been one of the harder teams like Italy, England, Dutch.
On July 11 2016 05:07 stilt wrote: The referee seems biaised. And France is very rough since Deschamps takes the command, pretty hard to support such a team, I just can't.
Was the same against Germany. Every small decision goes in favor of France. France never gets yellow, no matter what (until it was 2-0) while the opposing team gets yellow like in a normal game. Same thing here.
On July 11 2016 05:07 stilt wrote: The referee seems biaised. And France is very rough since Deschamps takes the command, pretty hard to support such a team, I just can't.
Lmao. France has always been one of the harder teams like Italy, England, Dutch.
On July 11 2016 05:07 stilt wrote: The referee seems biaised. And France is very rough since Deschamps takes the command, pretty hard to support such a team, I just can't.
Lmao. France has always been one of the harder teams like Italy, England, Dutch.
They currently are rougher than these teams.
Yeah. You must have missed Italy matches this Euro lol. Ask Germany
On July 11 2016 05:07 stilt wrote: The referee seems biaised. And France is very rough since Deschamps takes the command, pretty hard to support such a team, I just can't.
Lmao. France has always been one of the harder teams like Italy, England, Dutch.
They currently are rougher than these teams.
Yeah. You must have missed Italy matches this Euro lol. Ask Germany
I don't think Germany had anything to complain about vs Italy considering how Müller acted.
On July 11 2016 05:07 stilt wrote: The referee seems biaised. And France is very rough since Deschamps takes the command, pretty hard to support such a team, I just can't.
Lmao. France has always been one of the harder teams like Italy, England, Dutch.
They currently are rougher than these teams.
Yeah. You must have missed Italy matches this Euro lol. Ask Germany
I don't think Germany had anything to complain about vs Italy considering how Müller acted.
Team with lowest foul/game rate vs team with the highest one. Yeah. You certainly have a point.
On July 11 2016 05:07 stilt wrote: The referee seems biaised. And France is very rough since Deschamps takes the command, pretty hard to support such a team, I just can't.
Lmao. France has always been one of the harder teams like Italy, England, Dutch.
They currently are rougher than these teams.
Yeah. You must have missed Italy matches this Euro lol. Ask Germany
I don't think Germany had anything to complain about vs Italy considering how Müller acted.
On July 11 2016 05:07 stilt wrote: The referee seems biaised. And France is very rough since Deschamps takes the command, pretty hard to support such a team, I just can't.
Lmao. France has always been one of the harder teams like Italy, England, Dutch.
They currently are rougher than these teams.
Yeah. You must have missed Italy matches this Euro lol. Ask Germany
I just missed their match against Spain "lol" France has a strong tendance to hurt players (like during the WC), they were "physicals" but not as dangerous during Domenech and Blanc era.
On July 11 2016 05:07 stilt wrote: The referee seems biaised. And France is very rough since Deschamps takes the command, pretty hard to support such a team, I just can't.
Lmao. France has always been one of the harder teams like Italy, England, Dutch.
They currently are rougher than these teams.
Yeah. You must have missed Italy matches this Euro lol. Ask Germany
I don't think Germany had anything to complain about vs Italy considering how Müller acted.
Team with lowest foul/game rate vs team with the highest one. Yeah. You certainly have a point.
Yeah because overall stats are truly telling of any given match.... You certainly know how statistics works.
I watched the game and Müller wasn't exactly playing with the kids gloves on. Italy certainly also played hard.
On July 11 2016 05:51 Malinor wrote: I think it is the destiny of Portugal to win this tournament. They may hardly ever win but for some reason they just cannot lose.
I am getting deja vu from when Chelsea beat Bayern.
Èder with an overtime hat trick please. Only thing that can save this final. And then he gets to lift the trophy and Ronaldo has to sit to the side while Èder gets all the glory
On July 11 2016 05:51 Malinor wrote: I think it is destiny for Portugal to win this tournament. They may hardly ever win but for some reason they just cannot lose.
On July 11 2016 05:51 Malinor wrote: I think it is destiny for Portugal to win this tournament. They may hardly ever win but for some reason they just cannot lose.
yea i think it has been written somewhere
The book of destiny just says "you're not allowed nice things" under Euro 16
Portugal's knockout game strategy has created all boring games--remember Portugal vs. Croatia? With Ronaldo, all they did was try to cross to him over and over. Without him, well, they do nothing but defend.
On July 11 2016 05:58 ZapRoffo wrote: Portugal's knockout game strategy has created all boring games--remember Portugal vs. Croatia? With Ronaldo, all they did was try to cross to him over and over. Without him, well, they do nothing but defend.
Well defending wins you tournaments *cough* greece *cough*
cant believe im saying this, but id be happy for ronaldo and ofc the rest of the squad who actually fought. cant say the same about the french team, apart from sissoko
On July 11 2016 06:24 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: cant believe im saying this, but id be happy for ronaldo and ofc the rest of the squad who actually fought. cant say the same about the french team, apart from sissoko
Same here, I would have betted 1000$ against 1$ that I would never cheer for the Ronaldo and Pepe team. Have lots of respect now for Ronaldo (though Pepe I will always dislike).
It reminds me the Greek victory of 2004, the victory of Portugal with Chile and RM victories make this year pretty sad for me. But hey, "dominer n'est pas gagner".
On July 11 2016 06:27 stilt wrote: It reminds me the Greek victory of 2004, the victory of Portugal with Chile and RM victories make this year pretty sad for me. But hey, "dominer n'est pas gagner".
We do not belong to that group. We had the hard side of the bracket and scored 9 goals in 2 games on knockout stage.
On July 11 2016 06:30 sneirac wrote: Bad tournament, bad final, France played like shit and deserve to lose this. Oh well at least we never need to talk about 2004 again.
CG Portugal
I agree, but the tournament had lots of fun stories. Iceland, Wales... CR7 drama in final and Portugal wins is a nice story as well. Even if the game wasn't very good.
On July 11 2016 06:27 stilt wrote: It reminds me the Greek victory of 2004, the victory of Portugal with Chile and RM victories make this year pretty sad for me. But hey, "dominer n'est pas gagner".
We do not belong to that group. We had the hard side of the bracket and scored 9 goals in 2 games on knockout stage.
Yes, your team did not get help by the bracket and played well but both of your finals were boring and I like Messi so I'm biaised!
On July 11 2016 06:30 sneirac wrote: Bad tournament, bad final, France played like shit and deserve to lose this. Oh well at least we never need to talk about 2004 again.
CG Portugal
I agree, but the tournament had lots of fun stories. Iceland, Wales... CR7 drama in final and Portugal wins is a nice story as well. Even if the game wasn't very good.
I still dislike Ronaldo too much and the results which took Portugal to the final to be able to enjoy this. And while I loved Iceland murdering England and a few of the fairytale runs, they all ultimately ended in disappointment and there were far too many horrible games in the group stage.
Keep the 24 teams, make 4 groups with 6 teams. Have only top 2 advance. Collect endless supply of salt from all the whining that will happen. Sell salt. be rich as fuck
I am absolutely at peace with this result. Somehow, on some level, they deserved this. After all, they just couldn't be beaten. And Croatia, Poland and France are good teams, the Portuguese road was not as easy as people make it out to be.
It also shows how much look you need to win a big tournament. All you can do is put yourself into a position to win it all every two years... but winning it all is just so extremely difficult.
And finally, Pepe's existence shows that (a lot of) good things happen to very bad people. He will pay in his next life, I hope.
On July 11 2016 06:37 BlackCompany wrote: Keep the 24 teams, make 4 groups with 6 teams. Have only top 2 advance. Collect endless supply of salt from all the whining that will happen. Sell salt. be rich as fuck
Defence wins tournaments, nothing new here. I'm sad that Italy got unlucky against Germany... They were clearly the best team of this tournament. Even without half of their squad.
BTW , Bulgaria is the last team to beat Portugal. Clearly Bulgaria is the best team in Europe.
On July 11 2016 06:39 Pr0wler wrote: Defence wins tournaments, nothing new here. I'm sad that Italy got unlucky against Germany... They were clearly the best team of this tournament. Even without half of their squad.
BTW , Bulgaria is the last team to beat Portugal. Clearly Bulgaria is the best team in Europe.
Italy did not get unlucky vs Germany. Germany totally outplayed Italy
On July 11 2016 06:37 BlackCompany wrote: Keep the 24 teams, make 4 groups with 6 teams. Have only top 2 advance. Collect endless supply of salt from all the whining that will happen. Sell salt. be rich as fuck
On July 11 2016 06:35 Taru wrote: I'm happy for Portugal. I somehow felt after the Germany game that France didn't diserved to win the tournament (even less than portugal :p).
Well the matchs against Croatia, Poland, Island and Austria were terribles. I was pretty hype at the idea of seeing Wales in finals!
On July 11 2016 06:46 stilt wrote: Griezmann must be destroyed...
Actually he doesn't look sad at all. Most French players did not look sad. I have never seen a 2nd place finisher so not sad...
Really? I heard that Matuidi and Jallet were crying, anyways despite not really supporting french team, I am sad they lost to Portugal... I would have been happy by a defeat against the german team which is probably the most respected team in France despite the past. (Maybe not in the press but in french site commentaries, German is always considered as perfect) But hey, competition does not care about my wishes. :D
On July 11 2016 06:53 Makro wrote: this year/euro has been truly bizarre, germany winning against italy, france winning against germany and portugal winning against france
statistics have been beaten to the ground
Sounds very promising for the future when everyone can beat everyone.
On July 11 2016 06:53 Makro wrote: this year/euro has been truly bizarre, germany winning against italy, france winning against germany and portugal winning against france
statistics have been beaten to the ground
Sounds very promising for the future when everyone can beat everyone.
If the trend continues wouldn't that also mean that Austria becomes the new England?
On July 11 2016 06:53 Makro wrote: this year/euro has been truly bizarre, germany winning against italy, france winning against germany and portugal winning against france
statistics have been beaten to the ground
Sounds very promising for the future when everyone can beat everyone.
If the trend continues wouldn't that also mean that Austria becomes the new England?
Expect Austria to fall down hard in the upcoming qualifiers.
On July 11 2016 06:53 Makro wrote: this year/euro has been truly bizarre, germany winning against italy, france winning against germany and portugal winning against france
statistics have been beaten to the ground
Sounds very promising for the future when everyone can beat everyone.
i have an explanation for this, imo football changed and now that's a new whole generation rewritting european football history
incoming years are gonna be really interesting to see
On July 09 2016 20:16 WhiteDog wrote: France gonna win, and my neighborhood is going to cry lol. Vive le Portugal (mais fuck l'équipe du Portugal), bouh Pepe, bouh CR7.
On July 11 2016 06:53 Makro wrote: this year/euro has been truly bizarre, germany winning against italy, france winning against germany and portugal winning against france
statistics have been beaten to the ground
Sounds very promising for the future when everyone can beat everyone.
If the trend continues wouldn't that also mean that Austria becomes the new England?
Expect Austria to fall down hard in the upcoming qualifiers.
Took a look at your group, that is going to be hard work to fuck it up.
Im so salty right now, didn't think I could dislike a team as much as Grece back in the days but Portugal proved me wrong.. Gz to France though despite all the injuries and drama before the tournament they did unexpectedly well
On July 11 2016 06:53 Makro wrote: this year/euro has been truly bizarre, germany winning against italy, france winning against germany and portugal winning against france
statistics have been beaten to the ground
Sounds very promising for the future when everyone can beat everyone.
If the trend continues wouldn't that also mean that Austria becomes the new England?
Expect Austria to fall down hard in the upcoming qualifiers.
Took a look at your group, that is going to be hard work to fuck it up.
Exactly, Austrian players are already talking about WC2018. Same with this tournament. Cocky players get punished
Congrats to Portugal, they showed mostly boring games but also great fighting spirit. The loss is deserved for France, they've always been saved by individuals being on fire (Payet, then Griezmann), and tonight no one was here to be the hero and the team failed as expected.
And I'm still persuaded Croatia would have won that tournament easily if not for that dreadful Ro16 game.
On July 11 2016 06:59 Lylat wrote: Im so salty right now, didn't think I could dislike a team as much as Grece back in the days but Portugal proved me wrong.. Gz to France though despite all the injuries and drama before the tournament they did unexpectedly well
Maybe you can understand our salt now, losing as the better team hahaha
On July 11 2016 06:53 Makro wrote: this year/euro has been truly bizarre, germany winning against italy, france winning against germany and portugal winning against france
statistics have been beaten to the ground
Sounds very promising for the future when everyone can beat everyone.
i have an explanation for this, imo football changed and now that's a new whole generation rewritting european football history
incoming years are gonna be really interesting to see
gonna be global rewriting. bye Brazil hello USA USA USA to dominate the Americas. or probably just South American teams too
On July 11 2016 06:59 Lylat wrote: Im so salty right now, didn't think I could dislike a team as much as Grece back in the days but Portugal proved me wrong.. Gz to France though despite all the injuries and drama before the tournament they did unexpectedly well
France was the #1 for all bookies at pretty much any point before this Euro. And they knew about injuries and drama...
On July 11 2016 06:59 Lylat wrote: Im so salty right now, didn't think I could dislike a team as much as Grece back in the days but Portugal proved me wrong.. Gz to France though despite all the injuries and drama before the tournament they did unexpectedly well
Maybe you can understand our salt now, losing as the better team hahaha
Yeah 2-0 in 90mn, such good team xD. Mfw Ruy Patricio better goal keeper than Neuer
On July 11 2016 06:53 Makro wrote: this year/euro has been truly bizarre, germany winning against italy, france winning against germany and portugal winning against france
statistics have been beaten to the ground
Sounds very promising for the future when everyone can beat everyone.
i have an explanation for this, imo football changed and now that's a new whole generation rewritting european football history
incoming years are gonna be really interesting to see
gonna be global rewriting. bye Brazil hello USA USA USA to dominate the Americas. or probably just South American teams too
USA semi final of the last copa america is already a sign
On July 11 2016 06:59 Lylat wrote: Im so salty right now, didn't think I could dislike a team as much as Grece back in the days but Portugal proved me wrong.. Gz to France though despite all the injuries and drama before the tournament they did unexpectedly well
France was the #1 for all bookies at pretty much any point before this Euro. And they knew about injuries and drama...
On July 11 2016 06:59 Lylat wrote: Im so salty right now, didn't think I could dislike a team as much as Grece back in the days but Portugal proved me wrong.. Gz to France though despite all the injuries and drama before the tournament they did unexpectedly well
France was the #1 for all bookies at pretty much any point before this Euro. And they knew about injuries and drama...
Spain was like #2 or #3 even though they have been playing shit for years. Bookies are wrong many times. France was favourite because no big team was a favourite so the home team got the #1 spot.
What a shitty match. I'm happy portugal won (my neighbors are happy at least, and they deserved it after 2004), but this team is complete garbage. Their playstyle is dirty as hell.
Eder putting is hand on the ball and saying it's Koscielny to get a fault was goddam unreal.
On July 11 2016 06:59 Lylat wrote: Im so salty right now, didn't think I could dislike a team as much as Grece back in the days but Portugal proved me wrong.. Gz to France though despite all the injuries and drama before the tournament they did unexpectedly well
Maybe you can understand our salt now, losing as the better team hahaha
Yeah 2-0 in 90mn, such good team xD. Mfw Ruy Patricio better goal keeper than Neuer
Haha you are funny. Not in every game does the score tell how the game went. Lol better then neuer what a Troll.
On July 11 2016 06:59 Lylat wrote: Im so salty right now, didn't think I could dislike a team as much as Grece back in the days but Portugal proved me wrong.. Gz to France though despite all the injuries and drama before the tournament they did unexpectedly well
Maybe you can understand our salt now, losing as the better team hahaha
Yeah 2-0 in 90mn, such good team xD. Mfw Ruy Patricio better goal keeper than Neuer
Haha you are funny. Not in every game does the score tell how the game went. Lol better then neuer what a Troll.
He stopped more shots and sometimes the shots were better. Like if you don't know shit about football you can tell Neuer has been average/good vs France, and Ruy Patricio has been better than him. The game went like :"Muller does bad. Who can aim in Germany? Nobody ok gg".
This entire tournament should make everyone terrified for the state of international football.
Holy shit everything was absolutely horrific. I can't remember a genuinely enjoyable game in the entire bunch, and for Portugal to win the title after 1) not winning a group-stage match and 2) only winning a single match (out of SEVEN) in 90 minutes is mind-blowing.
On July 11 2016 07:57 Stratos_speAr wrote: This entire tournament should make everyone terrified for the state of international football.
Holy shit everything was absolutely horrific. I can't remember a genuinely enjoyable game in the entire bunch, and for Portugal to win the title after 1) not winning a group-stage match and 2) only winning a single match (out of SEVEN) in 90 minutes is mind-blowing.
9 points off of 7 games, would have been good enough for 10th place in the Premier League this season after 7 matches.
Also good enough to win the European Championship!
On July 11 2016 08:10 Otolia wrote: So we lost a game on a goal by the guy who got a handball called against another player. This is surreal. But I kinda understand Eire now :/
Yeah this was so funny haha. I.mean they were black and white how can you not tell who touched the ball haha.
On July 11 2016 06:59 Lylat wrote: Im so salty right now, didn't think I could dislike a team as much as Grece back in the days but Portugal proved me wrong.. Gz to France though despite all the injuries and drama before the tournament they did unexpectedly well
Maybe you can understand our salt now, losing as the better team hahaha
Yeah 2-0 in 90mn, such good team xD. Mfw Ruy Patricio better goal keeper than Neuer
Haha you are funny. Not in every game does the score tell how the game went. Lol better then neuer what a Troll.
Just Ignore him he is trollbaiting hard. Just take a look at his post history and it should be clear.
I still think both Germany (if they get a better manager and a striker that draw defenses out of Muller/Ozil/Gotze) and France (Asuming their incredibly young and talented squad keep improving) have big chances to win Russia WC, some of france top players are ultra young
Shit happens.
And obviously Chile Hopefully our players are still at the top of their play once Russia starts
I'm not even mad Portugal won, they've lost titles in the past, I think it's deserved. Such a small nation but still tons of talent for generations now. The funny part is that they didn't win when they had the most talent and played good football, they played ugly and won this time, kind of reminiscent to Chelsea winning past their peak.
For me the best players of that team were Pepe, the perfect wall (well except for that opportunity Gignac had), Joao Mario (just 23 and played like Vidal) and Guerreiro. Ronaldo was important but I don't think he delivered a single 70-80% performance this tournament. Nonetheless, when he plays bad, his team wins (RM 2014 and 2016, now the Euro), quite a funny coincidence.
For France, how can we judge their performance? 2 real opponents, one undeserved win, one loss. Yet we continue with the same coach for at least 2 more years. If France had a coach with football ideas that don't only rely on fielding muscle, we could actually play really well with the talent at hand. But ambition isn't really French and we'll say that he reached the final so he's a winner... Never forget HOW you accomplished that. Same could be said about Portugal but at least they won.
Portugal finally won and we did it without Ronaldo on the field for the final.
They had a gameplan and stuck to it. For once the team didn't look like a lot of individuals playing but like a real team this year. Say what you will about it being boring or highly defensive, I think Portugal saw what had to be done and did it well. There was no way we could have gone all out offense all game against France, we would never win that way.
The handball free kick call was probably the only real bad call the referee made. It was overall a really clean game considering how high the tensions were and the cards only started rolling when tired legs and strained minds started to make mistakes with their challenges on both sides.
Somehow eder scored and all you need is one moment of brilliance to win offensively. Though i will say Rui Patricio put the team on his back today, he made a ton of very very good saves.
heartbroken right now, Patricio played like a champion though. much respect to Portugal for doing it when in all reality they shouldn't have, what a way to win your first title.
people keep complaining about "ugly" games. guess what, that happens in sports, not every game ur gonna get 30 yard missiles and bicycle kicks. i think if u asked anybody before the finals, they would all agree that this is what portugal had to do to win.
On July 11 2016 12:21 zev318 wrote: people keep complaining about "ugly" games. guess what, that happens in sports, not every game ur gonna get 30 yard missiles and bicycle kicks. i think if u asked anybody before the finals, they would all agree that this is what portugal had to do to win.
I think the problem is that people see this as a growing trend.
You see far, far fewer boring/ugly games like this in other sports like basketball, hockey, American football, rugby, etc. Unfortunately, the trend for our sport is for this to happen increasingly often.
On July 11 2016 12:21 zev318 wrote: people keep complaining about "ugly" games. guess what, that happens in sports, not every game ur gonna get 30 yard missiles and bicycle kicks. i think if u asked anybody before the finals, they would all agree that this is what portugal had to do to win.
I think the problem is that people see this as a growing trend.
You see far, far fewer boring/ugly games like this in other sports like basketball, hockey, American football, rugby, etc. Unfortunately, the trend for our sport is for this to happen increasingly often.
I've seen enough rugby to tell you that it's sometimes super boring. The physical impacts are cool, but after a while you don't care as much about it. I wouldn't know how to judge American sports since I barely watch them, but I'd say teams are encouraged to attack a lot to entertain the spectators. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't NBA notorious for having bad defenses, or at least teams that lack balance and go all out offensive?
Football needs more teams that take the initiative. For national teams right now, you can probably count offensive teams on one hand. Brazil is full muscle now, Argentina is more counter-attack, so there's only Spain and Germany left? England's trying a bit, France isn't, Italy isn't, etc... A game between 2 defensive oriented teams will often be boring. Barcelona vs Atletico is fun, but Atletico vs a smaller team wouldn't be very exciting. Like a game between two Spanish players in tennis would be utterly boring because of their playstyle. Thankfully, some very talented players like Federer can raise the entertainment level.
There should be defensive teams for sure, but I think FIFA should think about ways to promote offensive plays. Building an offensive team is more difficult because technical players usually cost more; and making that team play well is even more difficult because technical players usually aren't very disciplined. So a lot of teams just give up and play the easy way. Barcelona, Spain and Germany set trends that some teams follow, but trends usually come from successes. This year we've seen a lot of solid teams go far in tournaments, and I'm afraid that trend is going to go the other way. That's where maybe you start thinking about changing some rules...
edit: wow how come that this match had not many viewers from Germany? 17,68m watched it yesterday. France vs Iceland (18,93m) and Portugal vs Wales (17,78m) had more viewers.
On July 11 2016 10:38 ZeromuS wrote: Portugal finally won and we did it without Ronaldo on the field for the final.
They had a gameplan and stuck to it. For once the team didn't look like a lot of individuals playing but like a real team this year. Say what you will about it being boring or highly defensive, I think Portugal saw what had to be done and did it well. There was no way we could have gone all out offense all game against France, we would never win that way.
The handball free kick call was probably the only real bad call the referee made. It was overall a really clean game considering how high the tensions were and the cards only started rolling when tired legs and strained minds started to make mistakes with their challenges on both sides.
Somehow eder scored and all you need is one moment of brilliance to win offensively. Though i will say Rui Patricio put the team on his back today, he made a ton of very very good saves.
The ref was far from being great imo. Did not give a foul against Ronaldo (must have been a card imo). Same with Pepe where pushed someone with both hands right before a corner kick. It was not game changing though, which is good, but it was not really a good performance. Especially bad for Ronaldo.
On July 11 2016 10:38 ZeromuS wrote: Portugal finally won and we did it without Ronaldo on the field for the final.
They had a gameplan and stuck to it. For once the team didn't look like a lot of individuals playing but like a real team this year. Say what you will about it being boring or highly defensive, I think Portugal saw what had to be done and did it well. There was no way we could have gone all out offense all game against France, we would never win that way.
The handball free kick call was probably the only real bad call the referee made. It was overall a really clean game considering how high the tensions were and the cards only started rolling when tired legs and strained minds started to make mistakes with their challenges on both sides.
Somehow eder scored and all you need is one moment of brilliance to win offensively. Though i will say Rui Patricio put the team on his back today, he made a ton of very very good saves.
The ref was far from being great imo. Did not give a foul against Ronaldo (must have been a card imo). Same with Pepe where pushed someone with both hands right before a corner kick. It was not game changing though, which is good, but it was not realy good. Especially bad for Ronaldo.
Yellow for Koscielny when Eder handballed was kinda game deciding error as 10/10 times he would try to tackle in the situation leading to goal of he weren't on yellow.
On July 11 2016 16:01 Dingodile wrote: who won "player of the tournament" award?
edit: wow how come that this match had not many viewers from Germany? 17,68m watched it yesterday. France vs Iceland (18,93m) and Portugal vs Wales (17,78m) had more viewers.
Payet. They tried a new ranking system, game by game. Since he was good during groupstage and reached the final, he won basically xD Fun thing is he passed Griezmann with the final... http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/season=2016/players/index.html
On July 11 2016 10:38 ZeromuS wrote: Portugal finally won and we did it without Ronaldo on the field for the final.
They had a gameplan and stuck to it. For once the team didn't look like a lot of individuals playing but like a real team this year. Say what you will about it being boring or highly defensive, I think Portugal saw what had to be done and did it well. There was no way we could have gone all out offense all game against France, we would never win that way.
The handball free kick call was probably the only real bad call the referee made. It was overall a really clean game considering how high the tensions were and the cards only started rolling when tired legs and strained minds started to make mistakes with their challenges on both sides.
Somehow eder scored and all you need is one moment of brilliance to win offensively. Though i will say Rui Patricio put the team on his back today, he made a ton of very very good saves.
The ref was far from being great imo. Did not give a foul against Ronaldo (must have been a card imo). Same with Pepe where pushed someone with both hands right before a corner kick. It was not game changing though, which is good, but it was not realy good. Especially bad for Ronaldo.
Yellow for Koscielny when Eder handballed was kinda game deciding error as 10/10 times he would try to tackle in the situation leading to goal of he weren't on yellow.
Hm, I didn't think about that tbh. It makes sense actually.
Ok then, Eder becomes a european legend, the guy who scores once every 12 months as a striker what a legend! Guess every Portuguese fan gives no .. about that when he turns up to score the winner in a European championship final to win his country a title. Props!
Now we have just over 4 weeks to go until the new domestic seasons oh boy
On July 11 2016 16:01 Dingodile wrote: who won "player of the tournament" award?
edit: wow how come that this match had not many viewers from Germany? 17,68m watched it yesterday. France vs Iceland (18,93m) and Portugal vs Wales (17,78m) had more viewers.
Because it was obvious that it would be a boring, shitty game? I would even go so far to say that while a lot of TV's were on, few actually watched Pretty scared actually for international football in general. Worst tournament ever. Zero entertaiment value from a football perspective. Obviously the storys of Iceland, Northern Ireland, .. are highly entertaining
Maybe change the size of goals or sth. cause it'll get worse and worse
On July 11 2016 10:28 WillyWanker wrote: I'm not even mad Portugal won, they've lost titles in the past, I think it's deserved. Such a small nation but still tons of talent for generations now. The funny part is that they didn't win when they had the most talent and played good football, they played ugly and won this time, kind of reminiscent to Chelsea winning past their peak.
For me the best players of that team were Pepe, the perfect wall (well except for that opportunity Gignac had), Joao Mario (just 23 and played like Vidal) and Guerreiro. Ronaldo was important but I don't think he delivered a single 70-80% performance this tournament. Nonetheless, when he plays bad, his team wins (RM 2014 and 2016, now the Euro), quite a funny coincidence.
For France, how can we judge their performance? 2 real opponents, one undeserved win, one loss. Yet we continue with the same coach for at least 2 more years. If France had a coach with football ideas that don't only rely on fielding muscle, we could actually play really well with the talent at hand. But ambition isn't really French and we'll say that he reached the final so he's a winner... Never forget HOW you accomplished that. Same could be said about Portugal but at least they won.
Yep. I wish people would remember Domenech and realize that reaching the finals doesn't always mean that the coach is good (per Arsène Wenger after the 2014 finals : "the greatest quality a coach can have is to have great players"). And I'd say reaching the finals with opponents being Romania, Albania, Switzerland, Ireland, Iceland and a diminished Germany is the minimum result you'd have expected.
The World Cup 2014 tied the record for most goals scored in a World Cup. It was a very entertaining event.
The format of this tournament is questionable, but those arguing to go back to 16 teams tend to be the ones on the Wales + Iceland bandwagon. Can't have it both ways people.
On July 11 2016 19:09 warding wrote: The World Cup 2014 tied the record for most goals scored in a World Cup. It was a very entertaining event.
The format of this tournament is questionable, but those arguing to go back to 16 teams tend to be the ones on the Wales + Iceland bandwagon. Can't have it both ways people.
If you go by: First place(9) and 7 best second places, Iceland and Wales would have both qualified for the Euro.
First time european champions.. wow and with a goal by eder.. It was a awesome party in Lisbon last night.. only stayed in the streets until 2am because of work tho
GG France.. i don't see why people are complaining.. it was a good final imo France played good, their midfield is superstrong they could almost carry our own midfield in the backs.. Pogba, Matuidi and Sissoko is the most muscular midfield ever.. so we did what we could, work and battled and suffered.. managed to keep a clean sheet thanks to Patricio and a solid defense.. Lost ronaldo within 15m.. the french tried really hard to hit him since the start..
I think considering last games we had against them it was a solid win.. fueled by team spirit!
I can't believe some guys are talking about the future of fooball and how it's doomed.. really ? It's doomed because of us? and our playstyle?
So when Italy plays 5 defenders and for years presents itselft as a defense first team, they are inteligent and tactical? We do it once, because of the lack of options, a more defensive coach and a pragmatic aproach we are dooming football?
Fuck.. just accept it we didn't lost a single game, no one could beat us.. so we deserve this!
Spain lost against Italy Italy lost againt Germany Germany lost against france Belgium lost against Wales Switzerland lost againt Poland
Croatia, Poland, Wales and France Lost against us so we are Champions !!! <3 Portugal
Are we the best team ever? no.. Were we lucky? for sure.. Do we deserve this? yeeeeeeeeeeees
On July 11 2016 19:09 warding wrote: The World Cup 2014 tied the record for most goals scored in a World Cup. It was a very entertaining event.
The format of this tournament is questionable, but those arguing to go back to 16 teams tend to be the ones on the Wales + Iceland bandwagon. Can't have it both ways people.
If you go by: First place(9) and 7 best second places, Iceland and Wales would have both qualified for the Euro.
Technically it's 6 best second places (host country qualifies automatically) and you have to do the math considering one group had 5 teams, bla bla bla. Point is, the cinderella stories become more likely with 24 teams than with 16 teams. One of the fun aspects of the World Cup is when you get to see the Jamaicas, Irans, Angolas, Honduras in the big stage. 16 in Europe is very elitist and reduces the likelihood of one day seeing Israel, Finland, Norway, Lithuania or even The Netherlands in a Euro.
People are complaining because you made dirty faults or played basketball without being punished at all and it even paid off in the end.
Pepe pushing a player ounto the ground for no reason, Quaresma holding Koscielny's head for fun, some red player pretending to have been kicked yet video showing it was false, Eder cheating, etc...
It was surreal to see, I even thought that karma could not let you win playing this way but I guess having the Champions d'Europe bus not hidden jinxed us the wrong way.
On July 11 2016 19:09 warding wrote: The World Cup 2014 tied the record for most goals scored in a World Cup. It was a very entertaining event.
The format of this tournament is questionable, but those arguing to go back to 16 teams tend to be the ones on the Wales + Iceland bandwagon. Can't have it both ways people.
Yeah the world cup was fine, the knock out stages was a bit more closed but that had mostly to do with the fact that we (Netherlands) were actually garbage but nobody had noticed it yet.
The problem with this tournament is the format coupled with some of the traditional attacking sides not being as strong. Having the best third place teams go through essentially meant that getting 1 point in every game or a lucky win with very small defeats would guarantee you the knock-out stages. Which just creates a very negative attitude from the start. In previous Euro's I believe 4 points was the bare minimum to qualify for the knock out stages and would often not guarantee you anything. If you can't rely on the group stages being interesting than the knock-out stages are only going to be worse.
In the knock-out stages you need the traditional attacking sides just go full out from the start to create interesting games. But Germany struggled to score, Spain were meh, Portugal didn't even try and we didn't even qualify.
On July 11 2016 20:02 Poopi wrote: People are complaining because you made dirty faults or played basketball without being punished at all and it even paid off in the end.
Pepe pushing a player ounto the ground for no reason, Quaresma holding Koscielny's head for fun, some red player pretending to have been kicked yet video showing it was false, Eder cheating, etc...
It was surreal to see, I even thought that karma could not let you win playing this way but I guess having the Champions d'Europe bus not hidden jinxed us the wrong way.
Screw Karma, much of the French loss is their own fault. France had just 4 yellow cards this match, 1 for a handball Kosc didn't even commit. The only professional foul I can recall was Pogba after France had gone behind and France were finally committing bodies forward. More than anything this tournament, this is what frustrated me more. Strong sides just never having a go even though Portugal were there for the taking. Just commit bodies forward and not have Pogba be a pivot ffs. Even Griezmann was collecting the ball from midfield ugh... Portugal deserve their win for me, because they did all that they could to win (some of it definitely a bit scummy) but I can't say the same for France.
On July 11 2016 19:09 warding wrote: The World Cup 2014 tied the record for most goals scored in a World Cup. It was a very entertaining event.
The format of this tournament is questionable, but those arguing to go back to 16 teams tend to be the ones on the Wales + Iceland bandwagon. Can't have it both ways people.
If you go by: First place(9) and 7 best second places, Iceland and Wales would have both qualified for the Euro.
Technically it's 6 best second places (host country qualifies automatically) and you have to do the math considering one group had 5 teams, bla bla bla. Point is, the cinderella stories become more likely with 24 teams than with 16 teams. One of the fun aspects of the World Cup is when you get to see the Jamaicas, Irans, Angolas, Honduras in the big stage. 16 in Europe is very elitist and reduces the likelihood of one day seeing Israel, Finland, Norway, Lithuania or even The Netherlands in a Euro.
Meh, Greece and Denmark won a Euro with 16 teams only.
On July 11 2016 20:02 Poopi wrote: People are complaining because you made dirty faults or played basketball without being punished at all and it even paid off in the end.
Pepe pushing a player ounto the ground for no reason, Quaresma holding Koscielny's head for fun, some red player pretending to have been kicked yet video showing it was false, Eder cheating, etc...
It was surreal to see, I even thought that karma could not let you win playing this way but I guess having the Champions d'Europe bus not hidden jinxed us the wrong way.
Don't act like France didn't get any luck in the whole tournament though... In all fairness, and while I'm no fan of Portugal, Portugal had bad refereeing against them over the course of the tournament too. Just like in any tournament, good/bad refereeing balanced itself out. And referee mistakes, as long as UEFA and FIFA persist in thinking that video shouldn't be used in refereeing, are sadly part of the game.
On July 11 2016 19:09 warding wrote: The World Cup 2014 tied the record for most goals scored in a World Cup. It was a very entertaining event.
The format of this tournament is questionable, but those arguing to go back to 16 teams tend to be the ones on the Wales + Iceland bandwagon. Can't have it both ways people.
If you go by: First place(9) and 7 best second places, Iceland and Wales would have both qualified for the Euro.
Technically it's 6 best second places (host country qualifies automatically) and you have to do the math considering one group had 5 teams, bla bla bla. Point is, the cinderella stories become more likely with 24 teams than with 16 teams. One of the fun aspects of the World Cup is when you get to see the Jamaicas, Irans, Angolas, Honduras in the big stage. 16 in Europe is very elitist and reduces the likelihood of one day seeing Israel, Finland, Norway, Lithuania or even The Netherlands in a Euro.
Meh, Greece and Denmark won a Euro with 16 teams only.
On July 11 2016 20:02 Poopi wrote: People are complaining because you made dirty faults or played basketball without being punished at all and it even paid off in the end.
Pepe pushing a player ounto the ground for no reason, Quaresma holding Koscielny's head for fun, some red player pretending to have been kicked yet video showing it was false, Eder cheating, etc...
It was surreal to see, I even thought that karma could not let you win playing this way but I guess having the Champions d'Europe bus not hidden jinxed us the wrong way.
Don't act like France didn't get any luck in the whole tournament though... In all fairness, and while I'm no fan of Portugal, Portugal had bad refereeing against them over the course of the tournament too. Just like in any tournament, good/bad refereeing balanced itself out. And referee mistakes, as long as UEFA and FIFA persist in thinking that video shouldn't be used in refereeing, are sadly part of the game.
What luck? I don't think we won any game solely because of bad refering whereas Portugal played like douches all game long lol.
On July 11 2016 19:09 warding wrote: The World Cup 2014 tied the record for most goals scored in a World Cup. It was a very entertaining event.
The format of this tournament is questionable, but those arguing to go back to 16 teams tend to be the ones on the Wales + Iceland bandwagon. Can't have it both ways people.
If you go by: First place(9) and 7 best second places, Iceland and Wales would have both qualified for the Euro.
Technically it's 6 best second places (host country qualifies automatically) and you have to do the math considering one group had 5 teams, bla bla bla. Point is, the cinderella stories become more likely with 24 teams than with 16 teams. One of the fun aspects of the World Cup is when you get to see the Jamaicas, Irans, Angolas, Honduras in the big stage. 16 in Europe is very elitist and reduces the likelihood of one day seeing Israel, Finland, Norway, Lithuania or even The Netherlands in a Euro.
Meh, Greece and Denmark won a Euro with 16 teams only.
On July 11 2016 20:02 Poopi wrote: People are complaining because you made dirty faults or played basketball without being punished at all and it even paid off in the end.
Pepe pushing a player ounto the ground for no reason, Quaresma holding Koscielny's head for fun, some red player pretending to have been kicked yet video showing it was false, Eder cheating, etc...
It was surreal to see, I even thought that karma could not let you win playing this way but I guess having the Champions d'Europe bus not hidden jinxed us the wrong way.
Don't act like France didn't get any luck in the whole tournament though... In all fairness, and while I'm no fan of Portugal, Portugal had bad refereeing against them over the course of the tournament too. Just like in any tournament, good/bad refereeing balanced itself out. And referee mistakes, as long as UEFA and FIFA persist in thinking that video shouldn't be used in refereeing, are sadly part of the game.
What luck? I don't think we won any game solely because of bad refering whereas Portugal played like douches all game long lol.
Luck isn't just refereeing-related. Even though, I can for example point out to the fact that Switzerland should have had a last-minute penalty against France, that the referee in France vs Germany was heavily biased towards France, or that not giving at least a yellow to Payet for that brutal attack on Ronaldo was lucky to say the least.
The referee was quite bad but he didn't make game changing decision imo. Anyway it's football, refereeing will always be hard as long as those old retards from the FIFA don't allow video to help
On July 11 2016 19:09 warding wrote: The World Cup 2014 tied the record for most goals scored in a World Cup. It was a very entertaining event.
The format of this tournament is questionable, but those arguing to go back to 16 teams tend to be the ones on the Wales + Iceland bandwagon. Can't have it both ways people.
If you go by: First place(9) and 7 best second places, Iceland and Wales would have both qualified for the Euro.
Technically it's 6 best second places (host country qualifies automatically) and you have to do the math considering one group had 5 teams, bla bla bla. Point is, the cinderella stories become more likely with 24 teams than with 16 teams. One of the fun aspects of the World Cup is when you get to see the Jamaicas, Irans, Angolas, Honduras in the big stage. 16 in Europe is very elitist and reduces the likelihood of one day seeing Israel, Finland, Norway, Lithuania or even The Netherlands in a Euro.
Meh, Greece and Denmark won a Euro with 16 teams only.
On July 11 2016 20:02 Poopi wrote: People are complaining because you made dirty faults or played basketball without being punished at all and it even paid off in the end.
Pepe pushing a player ounto the ground for no reason, Quaresma holding Koscielny's head for fun, some red player pretending to have been kicked yet video showing it was false, Eder cheating, etc...
It was surreal to see, I even thought that karma could not let you win playing this way but I guess having the Champions d'Europe bus not hidden jinxed us the wrong way.
Don't act like France didn't get any luck in the whole tournament though... In all fairness, and while I'm no fan of Portugal, Portugal had bad refereeing against them over the course of the tournament too. Just like in any tournament, good/bad refereeing balanced itself out. And referee mistakes, as long as UEFA and FIFA persist in thinking that video shouldn't be used in refereeing, are sadly part of the game.
What luck? I don't think we won any game solely because of bad refering whereas Portugal played like douches all game long lol.
Strong salty words. You realize France started the game byinjuring our best player and then booing him while he tries to cope with the pain? What douchiness are you even talking about, the referee misjudging an unintentional handball? A mundane scuffle in the box with Pepe and Umtiti (?)? Is this how your ego copes with defeat?
On July 11 2016 19:09 warding wrote: The World Cup 2014 tied the record for most goals scored in a World Cup. It was a very entertaining event.
The format of this tournament is questionable, but those arguing to go back to 16 teams tend to be the ones on the Wales + Iceland bandwagon. Can't have it both ways people.
If you go by: First place(9) and 7 best second places, Iceland and Wales would have both qualified for the Euro.
Technically it's 6 best second places (host country qualifies automatically) and you have to do the math considering one group had 5 teams, bla bla bla. Point is, the cinderella stories become more likely with 24 teams than with 16 teams. One of the fun aspects of the World Cup is when you get to see the Jamaicas, Irans, Angolas, Honduras in the big stage. 16 in Europe is very elitist and reduces the likelihood of one day seeing Israel, Finland, Norway, Lithuania or even The Netherlands in a Euro.
Meh, Greece and Denmark won a Euro with 16 teams only.
On July 11 2016 20:02 Poopi wrote: People are complaining because you made dirty faults or played basketball without being punished at all and it even paid off in the end.
Pepe pushing a player ounto the ground for no reason, Quaresma holding Koscielny's head for fun, some red player pretending to have been kicked yet video showing it was false, Eder cheating, etc...
It was surreal to see, I even thought that karma could not let you win playing this way but I guess having the Champions d'Europe bus not hidden jinxed us the wrong way.
Don't act like France didn't get any luck in the whole tournament though... In all fairness, and while I'm no fan of Portugal, Portugal had bad refereeing against them over the course of the tournament too. Just like in any tournament, good/bad refereeing balanced itself out. And referee mistakes, as long as UEFA and FIFA persist in thinking that video shouldn't be used in refereeing, are sadly part of the game.
What luck? I don't think we won any game solely because of bad refering whereas Portugal played like douches all game long lol.
Strong salty words. You realize France started the game byinjuring our best player and then booing him while he tries to cope with the pain? What douchiness are you even talking about, the referee misjudging an unintentional handball? A mundane scuffle in the box with Pepe and Umtiti (?)? Is this how your ego copes with defeat?
You realize Payet just played the ball? That shows in the video. Portugese have been super agressive and faked a lot. Okay you won almost by cheating but don't come back after pretending you played fairly, just be happy to have successfully stolen the game . And of course people will boo him, not just French people, because he is known for faking. Your best player was the goal keeper tho.
oh come on, neither Portugese nor French players were saints in this game or the whole tournament Ridicilous how both set of fans try to act like victims
Are you crazy dude? Payet's "playing the ball" was through Ronaldo. It was meant to be a hard tackle with a high chance of injury and it did injure Ronaldo. The French team deserves the anger its getting from football fans now because Portugal (even without Ronaldo) played like Champions and the French played like thugs.
French salt is so bad they didn't even light up the ET. What a bunch of sore losers.
On July 11 2016 22:47 redviper wrote: Are you crazy dude? Payet's "playing the ball" was through Ronaldo. It was meant to be a hard tackle with a high chance of injury and it did injure Ronaldo. The French team deserves the anger its getting from football fans now because Portugal (even without Ronaldo) played like Champions and the French played like thugs.
French salt is so bad they didn't even light up the ET. What a bunch of sore losers.
2006 and then this loss to an ugly team, of course the salt is real. Payet played the ball, putting your foot on the ball is a retarded thing to do, every time I got injured it was this way, it was not a foul. You know nothing to football.
On July 11 2016 19:45 shell wrote: First time european champions.. wow and with a goal by eder.. It was a awesome party in Lisbon last night.. only stayed in the streets until 2am because of work tho
GG France.. i don't see why people are complaining.. it was a good final imo France played good, their midfield is superstrong they could almost carry our own midfield in the backs.. Pogba, Matuidi and Sissoko is the most muscular midfield ever.. so we did what we could, work and battled and suffered.. managed to keep a clean sheet thanks to Patricio and a solid defense.. Lost ronaldo within 15m.. the french tried really hard to hit him since the start..
I think considering last games we had against them it was a solid win.. fueled by team spirit!
I can't believe some guys are talking about the future of fooball and how it's doomed.. really ? It's doomed because of us? and our playstyle?
So when Italy plays 5 defenders and for years presents itselft as a defense first team, they are inteligent and tactical? We do it once, because of the lack of options, a more defensive coach and a pragmatic aproach we are dooming football?
Fuck.. just accept it we didn't lost a single game, no one could beat us.. so we deserve this!
Spain lost against Italy Italy lost againt Germany Germany lost against france Belgium lost against Wales Switzerland lost againt Poland
Croatia, Poland, Wales and France Lost against us so we are Champions !!! <3 Portugal
Are we the best team ever? no.. Were we lucky? for sure.. Do we deserve this? yeeeeeeeeeeees
Pretty sure you hadn't the same speech in 2004.
or that not giving at least a yellow to Payet for that brutal attack on Ronaldo was lucky to say the least.
A red card for this? Let me guess, you only watch football during international cups?
On July 11 2016 22:47 redviper wrote: Are you crazy dude? Payet's "playing the ball" was through Ronaldo. It was meant to be a hard tackle with a high chance of injury and it did injure Ronaldo. The French team deserves the anger its getting from football fans now because Portugal (even without Ronaldo) played like Champions and the French played like thugs.
French salt is so bad they didn't even light up the ET. What a bunch of sore losers.
2006 and then this loss to an ugly team, of course the salt is real. Payet played the ball, putting your foot on the ball is a retarded thing to do, every time I got injured it was this way, it was not a foul. You know nothing to football.
He played the ball with one leg and played Ronaldo with the other leg... If you play the ball with one leg and kick the opposing player in the nuts with the other leg, are you playing the ball too?
Why is CR7 in team of the tournament when the only good games he had was against Hungary and Wales, while being absolutely non existent in the other 5 games. I think Bale was more influential.
On July 11 2016 22:47 redviper wrote: Are you crazy dude? Payet's "playing the ball" was through Ronaldo. It was meant to be a hard tackle with a high chance of injury and it did injure Ronaldo. The French team deserves the anger its getting from football fans now because Portugal (even without Ronaldo) played like Champions and the French played like thugs.
French salt is so bad they didn't even light up the ET. What a bunch of sore losers.
2006 and then this loss to an ugly team, of course the salt is real. Payet played the ball, putting your foot on the ball is a retarded thing to do, every time I got injured it was this way, it was not a foul. You know nothing to football.
He played the ball with one leg and played Ronaldo with the other leg... If you play the ball with one leg and kick the opposing player in the nuts with the other leg, are you playing the ball too?
You realize being biased against France doesn't make you right?
On July 11 2016 22:47 redviper wrote: Are you crazy dude? Payet's "playing the ball" was through Ronaldo. It was meant to be a hard tackle with a high chance of injury and it did injure Ronaldo. The French team deserves the anger its getting from football fans now because Portugal (even without Ronaldo) played like Champions and the French played like thugs.
French salt is so bad they didn't even light up the ET. What a bunch of sore losers.
2006 and then this loss to an ugly team, of course the salt is real. Payet played the ball, putting your foot on the ball is a retarded thing to do, every time I got injured it was this way, it was not a foul. You know nothing to football.
He played the ball with one leg and played Ronaldo with the other leg... If you play the ball with one leg and kick the opposing player in the nuts with the other leg, are you playing the ball too?
Wtf are you talking about? If you're standing foot is messed up when you're about to be impacted it's your mistake, taking some hits in the legs happen all the time and is harmless most of the time because you're somewhat ready. Having a weird posture when you're impacted maximises your chances to get hurt and this is why football players are often injured compared to other sports like rugby where they position themselves correctly to receive the impact.
On July 11 2016 22:47 redviper wrote: Are you crazy dude? Payet's "playing the ball" was through Ronaldo. It was meant to be a hard tackle with a high chance of injury and it did injure Ronaldo. The French team deserves the anger its getting from football fans now because Portugal (even without Ronaldo) played like Champions and the French played like thugs.
French salt is so bad they didn't even light up the ET. What a bunch of sore losers.
looks like you are the one being salty, the ET took the light of the winner as it was meant to be, check the internet
On July 11 2016 22:47 redviper wrote: Are you crazy dude? Payet's "playing the ball" was through Ronaldo. It was meant to be a hard tackle with a high chance of injury and it did injure Ronaldo. The French team deserves the anger its getting from football fans now because Portugal (even without Ronaldo) played like Champions and the French played like thugs.
French salt is so bad they didn't even light up the ET. What a bunch of sore losers.
2006 and then this loss to an ugly team, of course the salt is real. Payet played the ball, putting your foot on the ball is a retarded thing to do, every time I got injured it was this way, it was not a foul. You know nothing to football.
He played the ball with one leg and played Ronaldo with the other leg... If you play the ball with one leg and kick the opposing player in the nuts with the other leg, are you playing the ball too?
Unless your nuts are in your knee, no. Beside,no idea how you can kick balls while playing the ball but knee contact is pretty common while playing it, ti happened to me a few time. (with no bad conséquences, I get Lucky I guess) If you begin to punish all contacts that happen in a match, even the most respectful ones will end because there will be not enough players to finish it. France team is rough, too rough but a red for this would have been totally insane.
On July 12 2016 00:13 DucK- wrote: Why is CR7 in team of the tournament when the only good games he had was against Hungary and Wales, while being absolutely non existent in the other 5 games. I think Bale was more influential.
Because Sir Alex Ferguson was on the panel and he's not exactly unbiased haha. All in all a decent Team of the tournament to be honest with Ronaldo's inclusion the only exception. I feel either Nani or Bale would have been better, but no biggie.
On July 12 2016 00:13 DucK- wrote: Why is CR7 in team of the tournament when the only good games he had was against Hungary and Wales, while being absolutely non existent in the other 5 games. I think Bale was more influential.
Because Sir Alex Ferguson was on the panel and he's not exactly unbiased haha. All in all a decent Team of the tournament to be honest with Ronaldo's inclusion the only exception. I feel either Nani or Bale would have been better, but no biggie.
Well given how shit the tournament was, even Ronaldo's inclusion isn't that far off. 3 goals 3 assist is not too bad. Heh.
On July 12 2016 02:46 warding wrote: Apart from the 3 goals and 3 assists, don't underestimate the psychological impact Ronaldo had on the team throughout the tournament as their leader.
In the final they played better without him. At least it felt like they almost immediately had more game control.
Was Portugals keeper really the best? Not denying he had a great showing in the final. But I would've thought Lloris or even Neuer would be ahead as they showed good games and conceded (far) less goals.
On July 12 2016 02:46 warding wrote: Apart from the 3 goals and 3 assists, don't underestimate the psychological impact Ronaldo had on the team throughout the tournament as their leader.
Yes. For all the shit he gets he played a fine tournament. What do people really expect of him with a team like this? He's been involved in 2/3rds of the Portuguese goals this tournament. And the psychological impact like you mentioned is huge. 3 goals puts him as the 2nd goal scorer this tournament (with a couple others) and 3 assists puts him as the one who made the 3rd most assists. Very solid for anyone.
Bale was good but I don't think putting Ronaldo in over him is strange at all. I would've done the same thing.
It's mostly because Bale didn't go to finals whereas CR did. Same for Ruy Patricios, he won and played fine in the finals so he is put ahead of Lloris. Iirc there are only top 4 teams players here.
Portuguese kids are looking good, Joao Mario the only one i hate, i think the guy is absolutely awful and doesn't deserve any of his starts this Euro. However the rest; Gomes, Sanches,Silva,Carvalho, Guerrerio all exceptional talents and im sure there is more around. They really need some strikers though
On July 12 2016 05:20 Pandemona wrote: Portuguese kids are looking good, Joao Mario the only one i hate, i think the guy is absolutely awful and doesn't deserve any of his starts this Euro. However the rest; Gomes, Sanches,Silva,Carvalho, Guerrerio all exceptional talents and im sure there is more around. They really need some strikers though
On July 12 2016 05:30 Pandemona wrote: Haha England have loads, really good ones, take the premier league by storm. However internationally they all turn into Eder :D
On July 12 2016 05:30 Pandemona wrote: Haha England have loads, really good ones, take the premier league by storm. However internationally they all turn into Eder :D
Eder has scored the winning goal of a European Championship. English strikers meanwhile...
I bet Harry Kane would trade in all of his Spurs goals for a winning goal at the Euros.
I don't know he scores alot of goals for Spurs and i think that is the issue with our players, there godlike performances are for clubs, where as Eder scored his first goal in 20410501 appearances in Euro cup final.
The salt on this thread is unreal. Good game from Portugal, France disappeared after 30'. This was the first time since leaving Man Utd that Ronaldo acted like an actual human being.
- Portugal finally won an Euro. They deserved it in 2004 and have been good contenders in Euro/World Cups from as far as I followed football. - French team is likeable again from an attitude point of view. - Spanish era ended for sure (I liked them as winners but 6 years is too long...) - French prevented Germany from winning both World Cup and Euro back to back :D. - England suffered an harsh defeat, will probably be a bit less overhyped in 2018 and thus actually perform as well as they are expected to from as far as I followed football. - Since a lot of series ended (French winning every final at home since 1984, Italy beating Germany, Germany beating France, France beating Portugal, etc...) we won't have to be afraid of such things until new patterns appear.
Bad things : - Not enough goals. - Group stages format making teams play shy. - I forgot. - Lawn
The World Cup will be interesting, I think Germany would be favorite if they managed to get another good striker/forward (not sure of the exact name in English) like Klose in the past, right now they look harmless and it probably won't cut it against South America. France will be hard to guess depending on the future changes. Portugal has strong young players but I don't think they'll be enough to stop South America teams either.
Italy did very well for their line-up so I don't see them pull through an entire tournament but who knows, maybe their young players will be enough to refresh the team up.
While I think Portugal deserves this euros, I do hope I never have to see that style of play again.
Also the format definitely contributed to the shit games. Teams just needed to avoid losing in group stages. Bracket draw meant top teams faced each other early, while 'weak' teams knocked each other out. Every knockout games becomes too tactical rather than technical.
On July 12 2016 10:53 DucK- wrote: While I think Portugal deserves this euros, I do hope I never have to see that style of play again.
Also the format definitely contributed to the shit games. Teams just needed to avoid losing in group stages. Bracket draw meant top teams faced each other early, while 'weak' teams knocked each other out. Every knockout games becomes too tactical rather than technical.
yeah it needs to be less forgiving I think we discussed before the start of the tournament that the ideal would be
top first from each grp + 2 best second place finishers and straight to QF. That would make the grp games alot more intense.
Agreed, less forgiving. But please, no x best second place. That's just as bad as the 3rd place stuff we have now. I just think having 6 groups is terrible. Here are some alternatives: 6 groups of 4 x 6 matches + 8 ro16 matches = 44 before qf (current). 4 groups of 6 x 15 matches = 60 matches. May be a little too much. 4 groups of 5 x 10 matches = 40 matches. I like. 8 groups of 3 x 3 matches + 8 ko matches = 32 matches (Plan Beuving). http://m.imgur.com/55zsmeP 8 groups of 4 x 6 matches + 8 ro16 matches = 54 matches (World Cup).
On July 12 2016 13:28 aseq wrote: Agreed, less forgiving. But please, no x best second place. That's just as bad as the 3rd place stuff we have now. I just think having 6 groups is terrible. Here are some alternatives: 6 groups of 4 x 6 matches + 8 ro16 matches = 44 before qf (current). 4 groups of 6 x 15 matches = 60 matches. May be a little too much. 4 groups of 5 x 10 matches = 40 matches. I like. 8 groups of 3 x 3 matches + 8 ko matches = 32 matches (Plan Beuving). http://m.imgur.com/55zsmeP 8 groups of 4 x 6 matches + 8 ro16 matches = 54 matches (World Cup).
Uhmm actually 2x second is just fine. Im not sure how that can even remotely be as bad. Like not even close lol.
And you know why its good to have 2x second ? Because then teams that have an outside chance of qualifying will keep the games relevant. Otherwise a team goes 2-0 and the grp is dead. Instantly. Everyone else in the grp will have checked out mentally. Unless another team has also gone 2-0 which is an incredibly unlikely scemario.
The point is to incentivise teams to try and win, which the third place qualifier spots were supposed to do. But where they messed up was not realizing that teams could effectively "not lose" their way into qualifying. Which made it redundant.
There is no need to reinvent the wheel on it since the 24 teams are here to stay. Just some minor tweaks is all.
On July 12 2016 13:28 aseq wrote: Agreed, less forgiving. But please, no x best second place. That's just as bad as the 3rd place stuff we have now. I just think having 6 groups is terrible. Here are some alternatives: 6 groups of 4 x 6 matches + 8 ro16 matches = 44 before qf (current). 4 groups of 6 x 15 matches = 60 matches. May be a little too much. 4 groups of 5 x 10 matches = 40 matches. I like. 8 groups of 3 x 3 matches + 8 ko matches = 32 matches (Plan Beuving). http://m.imgur.com/55zsmeP 8 groups of 4 x 6 matches + 8 ro16 matches = 54 matches (World Cup).
Groups of 3 is a bad idea, since the games have to be played in succession. One team cannot take part in the final round, meaning the other 2 teams are able to manipulate the result in their favour
Ppl thought Germans were salty and then the finals happened... lol
Payets foul on CR was not a card, but a simple (unlucky) foul. Patricio was definitely not better than Lloris and Neuer and never will be CR7 does belong into the UEFA Team, it's not his fault that Ramsey/ Allen got the Wales spots instead of Bale.
On July 12 2016 13:28 aseq wrote: Agreed, less forgiving. But please, no x best second place. That's just as bad as the 3rd place stuff we have now. I just think having 6 groups is terrible. Here are some alternatives: 6 groups of 4 x 6 matches + 8 ro16 matches = 44 before qf (current). 4 groups of 6 x 15 matches = 60 matches. May be a little too much. 4 groups of 5 x 10 matches = 40 matches. I like. 8 groups of 3 x 3 matches + 8 ko matches = 32 matches (Plan Beuving). http://m.imgur.com/55zsmeP 8 groups of 4 x 6 matches + 8 ro16 matches = 54 matches (World Cup).
4 groups of 6 will work if we directly go into the Ro8. I will prefer that anyway. Or even 3 groups of 8, top 2 and best 2 3rd place teams goes into Ro8. This guarantees a minimum 7 matches for the smaller countries no matter what.
So now a Portugal win is because of bad rules.. come on guys don't be stupid!
Do you think you would have this discussion if the champion was not a 3rd place team?
Just face it that the stars align for us.. We should have been First in the group because we deserved wins against Iceland, Austria and Hungary.. We played better then them, had more and better chances and we have better players and team spirit.. but we didn't.. we ended up passing the group in 3rd place and got in the better bracket where we arguably had to face "worse" teams..
We managed to somehow squeeze a win against Croatia, defeated Poland, after suffering a 2m goal, in penaltys and got a crucial and well deserved win against Wales!! ` In the final we face a very powerfull France team, loose our best and most influencial player since 10 years and still manage to hold on and eventually score a goal!
On July 12 2016 13:28 aseq wrote: Agreed, less forgiving. But please, no x best second place. That's just as bad as the 3rd place stuff we have now. I just think having 6 groups is terrible. Here are some alternatives: 6 groups of 4 x 6 matches + 8 ro16 matches = 44 before qf (current). 4 groups of 6 x 15 matches = 60 matches. May be a little too much. 4 groups of 5 x 10 matches = 40 matches. I like. 8 groups of 3 x 3 matches + 8 ko matches = 32 matches (Plan Beuving). http://m.imgur.com/55zsmeP 8 groups of 4 x 6 matches + 8 ro16 matches = 54 matches (World Cup).
4 groups of 6 will work if we directly go into the Ro8. I will prefer that anyway. Or even 3 groups of 8, top 2 and best 2 3rd place teams goes into Ro8. This guarantees a minimum 7 matches for the smaller countries no matter what.
3 groups of 8 will take ages, you dont want the euros to last longer than they currently to. And the whole point of this is to get rid of 'best X numbers Y move into next round'. Which is unfair ( what would have happened if portugal would have needed 4 points to advance, their last group game would have been played totally differently), avoidable and plain stupid. Nrs 3 in group A and B don't have this info in their last group match.
On July 12 2016 19:10 shell wrote: So now a Portugal win is because of bad rules.. come on guys don't be stupid!
Do you think you would have this discussion if the champion was not a 3rd place team?
Just face it that the stars align for us.. We should have been First in the group because we deserved wins against Iceland, Austria and Hungary.. We played better then them, had more and better chances and we have better players and team spirit.. but we didn't.. we ended up passing the group in 3rd place and got in the better bracket where we arguably had to face "worse" teams..
We managed to somehow squeeze a win against Croatia, defeated Poland, after suffering a 2m goal, in penaltys and got a crucial and well deserved win against Wales!! ` In the final we face a very powerfull France team, loose our best and most influencial player since 10 years and still manage to hold on and eventually score a goal!
it is a very good story line.. just deal with it.
I am not salty or anything but I find it funny how you can judge people for not liking Portugal as EC when you write they were clearly better than austria/hungary/iceland (which they were) and didnt win and at the same time croatia (and maybe poland) were better than portugal or at least as good and got lucked out of the tournament.
It is a bs storyline, thats why some people are salty.
On July 12 2016 17:25 LennX wrote: 4 groups of 6 will work if we directly go into the Ro8. I will prefer that anyway. Or even 3 groups of 8, top 2 and best 2 3rd place teams goes into Ro8. This guarantees a minimum 7 matches for the smaller countries no matter what.
3 groups of 8 will take ages, you dont want the euros to last longer than they currently to. And the whole point of this is to get rid of 'best X numbers Y move into next round'. Which is unfair ( what would have happened if portugal would have needed 4 points to advance, their last group game would have been played totally differently), avoidable and plain stupid. Nrs 3 in group A and B don't have this info in their last group match.
True. Maybe the best way is 4 groups and only winner advance into semis straight. Winner takes all.
On July 12 2016 16:30 Harris1st wrote: Ppl thought Germans were salty and then the finals happened... lol
Payets foul on CR was not a card, but a simple (unlucky) foul. Patricio was definitely not better than Lloris and Neuer and never will be CR7 does belong into the UEFA Team, it's not his fault that Ramsey/ Allen got the Wales spots instead of Bale.
this thread was more entertaining in a certain pov than the final itself
On July 15 2016 11:41 don_kyuhote wrote: Portugal plays in Confederations Cup next year for the 1st time.
Chile will be a newcomer as well I believe. Maybe we can get someone random again from Oceania like Tahiti unless their spot was already decided and went to New Zealand like expected
Edit: turns out New Zealand beat Papua New Guinea in penalties to qualify. So close
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