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On June 26 2016 03:10 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
I don't count England as a tier 1 team at the moment.
But I guess my opinion here, when I say Wales, Northern Ireland, Switzerland and Poland all played horrible football so far in this tourney, is somehow arrogant and ignorant. So I'll keep it to myself, have fun!
Except you did not just say that but blamed the format. And while I did not like Poland's play so far they had same points as Germany in group stage.
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If you play horrible football, you don't deserve to get far in a EURO tourney? Why are we splitting hairs?
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Wales Switzerland and Poland have been no better or worse on average than France, Spain, Italy and Belgium at the very least. Infact I cant think of any team except Croatia that has played every game at a higher level than the team they were playing against. And even they went and dropped the ball against the Czechs one game.
Ok maybe the Swiss could have played a bit better.
- ignorance.
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On June 26 2016 03:14 Rebs wrote:
Wales Switzerland and Poland have been no better or worse on average than France, Spain, Italy and Belgium at the very least.
That's where we disagree then, I guess. Not sure why you have to continue to call my personal opinion out as ignorance but oh well.
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On June 26 2016 03:17 NihiLStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 03:14 Rebs wrote:
Wales Switzerland and Poland have been no better or worse on average than France, Spain, Italy and Belgium at the very least. That's where we disagree then, I guess. Not sure why you have to continue to call my personal opinion out as ignorance but oh well.
Personal opinions can be wrong. Yours is wrong. And thats a fact. One proven by how the bracket has worked out.
You can have stylistic preferences, I certainly have mine but its obnoxious to say defensive minded teams play horrible football even if it is antagnostic and not entertaining.
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I also disagree. Spain and Italy had very strong games and losing once badly doesn't change they can be very strong. I didn't see Italy's last game, but they were through as 1st place already so I imagine they played with a B-team?
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On June 26 2016 03:19 HolydaKing wrote:
I also disagree. Spain and Italy had very strong games and losing once badly doesn't change they can be very strong. I didn't see Italy's last game, but they were through as 1st place already so I imagine they played with a B-team?
Wales and Poland also had very strong games. No one is saying teams played badly. I didnt, I said on average the level has been similar.
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It's Italy. They give no fucks if they're already onto the next round.
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On June 26 2016 03:21 RvB wrote:
It's Italy. They give no fucks if they're already onto the next round.
Italy is a good matchup for Spain though .They dont have Ronaldo Bale level explosiveness on the counter and will make enough mistakes to let Spain in.
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On June 26 2016 03:18 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 03:17 NihiLStarcraft wrote:On June 26 2016 03:14 Rebs wrote:
Wales Switzerland and Poland have been no better or worse on average than France, Spain, Italy and Belgium at the very least. That's where we disagree then, I guess. Not sure why you have to continue to call my personal opinion out as ignorance but oh well. Personal opinions can be wrong. Yours is wrong. And thats a fact. One proven by how the bracket has worked out. You can have stylistic preferences, I certainly have mine but its obnoxious to say defensive minded teams play horrible football even if it is antagnostic and not entertaining.
1.) Hahaha, "your opinion is different to mine, so it's WRONG". Very mature! This is probably the actual reason we disagree. I don't purely use results/brackets to make up my mind about how well a team has played.
2.) I never said that defensive teams play horrible football? Not sure where you got that from at all?
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On June 26 2016 02:55 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 02:54 Makro wrote:
two historical result by far in one day with poland and wales advancing Weren't these two games guaranteed to be historical results?^^
i wasn't sure with switzerland, but mostly yes
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On June 26 2016 03:27 NihiLStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 03:18 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 03:17 NihiLStarcraft wrote:On June 26 2016 03:14 Rebs wrote:
Wales Switzerland and Poland have been no better or worse on average than France, Spain, Italy and Belgium at the very least. That's where we disagree then, I guess. Not sure why you have to continue to call my personal opinion out as ignorance but oh well. Personal opinions can be wrong. Yours is wrong. And thats a fact. One proven by how the bracket has worked out. You can have stylistic preferences, I certainly have mine but its obnoxious to say defensive minded teams play horrible football even if it is antagnostic and not entertaining. 1.) Hahaha, "your opinion is different to mine, so it's WRONG". This is probably the actual reason we disagree. I don't purely use results/brackets to make up my mind about how well a team has played. 2.) I never said that defensive teams play horrible football? Not sure where you got that from at all?
The teams you mentioned as being horrible have all been defensive minded this tournament. But sure I can concede that.
I am not basing my opinion purely on results and brackets either. But the bottom line is that it is ultimately with a few exceptions your best indicator of who "deserves" to be there.
There is nuance, and it is valuable sure. I assure you I understand that very well. You can have an opinion and thats fine but if your opinion suggests that someone who has earned something fair and square, doesnt deserve it. That is arrogant and ignorant.
It may go against your idea of how the game should be played and what is deserving of what. But that does not make you correct, which by default then makes you incorrect.
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On June 26 2016 03:23 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 03:21 RvB wrote:
It's Italy. They give no fucks if they're already onto the next round. Italy is a good matchup for Spain though .They dont have Ronaldo Bale level explosiveness on the counter and will make enough mistakes to let Spain in.
Spain looked pretty vulnarable defensively as well against Croatia. Can go both ways.
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On June 26 2016 03:31 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 03:27 NihiLStarcraft wrote:On June 26 2016 03:18 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 03:17 NihiLStarcraft wrote:On June 26 2016 03:14 Rebs wrote:
Wales Switzerland and Poland have been no better or worse on average than France, Spain, Italy and Belgium at the very least. That's where we disagree then, I guess. Not sure why you have to continue to call my personal opinion out as ignorance but oh well. Personal opinions can be wrong. Yours is wrong. And thats a fact. One proven by how the bracket has worked out. You can have stylistic preferences, I certainly have mine but its obnoxious to say defensive minded teams play horrible football even if it is antagnostic and not entertaining. 1.) Hahaha, "your opinion is different to mine, so it's WRONG". This is probably the actual reason we disagree. I don't purely use results/brackets to make up my mind about how well a team has played. 2.) I never said that defensive teams play horrible football? Not sure where you got that from at all? The teams you mentioned as being horrible have all been defensive minded this tournament. But sure I can concede that. I am not basing my opinion purely on results and brackets either. But the bottom line is that it is ultimately with a few exceptions your best indicator of who "deserves" to be there. There is nuance, and it is valuable sure. I assure you I understand that very well. You can have an opinion and thats fine but if your opinion suggests that someone who has earned something fair and square, doesnt deserve it. That is arrogant and ignorant. It may go against your idea of how the game should be played and what is deserving of what. But that does not make you correct, which by default then makes you incorrect.
You were almost getting polite there, until you called me arrogant and ignorant again haha. Where does arrogant even come in here btw? We're stating our opinions on a sportsgame, how can there be arrogance at play at all?
Either way, we're turning in circles, so to push the discussion forward: by your previous posts, you'd say if Italy was to play Wales or ... Switzerland, that you saw these teams as equally strong since they played similarly so far on average? That's what you posted near the top of the page and that to me, in my personal opinion, is absolutely ridiculous. :p
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On June 26 2016 03:36 NihiLStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 03:31 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 03:27 NihiLStarcraft wrote:On June 26 2016 03:18 Rebs wrote:On June 26 2016 03:17 NihiLStarcraft wrote:On June 26 2016 03:14 Rebs wrote:
Wales Switzerland and Poland have been no better or worse on average than France, Spain, Italy and Belgium at the very least. That's where we disagree then, I guess. Not sure why you have to continue to call my personal opinion out as ignorance but oh well. Personal opinions can be wrong. Yours is wrong. And thats a fact. One proven by how the bracket has worked out. You can have stylistic preferences, I certainly have mine but its obnoxious to say defensive minded teams play horrible football even if it is antagnostic and not entertaining. 1.) Hahaha, "your opinion is different to mine, so it's WRONG". This is probably the actual reason we disagree. I don't purely use results/brackets to make up my mind about how well a team has played. 2.) I never said that defensive teams play horrible football? Not sure where you got that from at all? The teams you mentioned as being horrible have all been defensive minded this tournament. But sure I can concede that. I am not basing my opinion purely on results and brackets either. But the bottom line is that it is ultimately with a few exceptions your best indicator of who "deserves" to be there. There is nuance, and it is valuable sure. I assure you I understand that very well. You can have an opinion and thats fine but if your opinion suggests that someone who has earned something fair and square, doesnt deserve it. That is arrogant and ignorant. It may go against your idea of how the game should be played and what is deserving of what. But that does not make you correct, which by default then makes you incorrect. You were almost getting polite there, until you called me arrogant and ignorant again haha. Were does arrogant even come in here btw? We're stating our opinions on a sportsgame, how can there be arrogance at play at all? Either way, we're turning in circles, so to push the discussion forward: by your previous posts, you'd say if Italy was to play Wales or ... Switzerland, that you saw these teams as equally strong since they played similarly so far on average? That's what you posted near the top of the page and that to me, in my personal opinion, is absolutely ridiculous. :p
Yes infact against Switzerland the game would be absolutely miserably slow as a spectator.. stylistically Italy has played disastrously slow games that have relied on teams like Belgium and Sweden being very poor defensively and over exposed. Switzerland and even Poland for that matter are alot more solid and will not get beat by one guy slaloming his way through a defense that lost focus.
Not sure why I need to be polite ? I dont really think I am being rude either. I used arrogant and ignorant to suggest that you assert that your idea of the way the game should be played is acceptable and everything else is horrible is well arrogant and ignorant lol.
Alot of international football aside from a few teams like Germany, Spain and this year Croatia has relied on individual brilliance to carry them through rather than some kind of great lovely smooth flowing game.
England has been close to that without End product. Portugal as well. France aswell but they just did enough.
On paper the weaker side of the bracket is Belgium and Croatia's to lose and the other side will be a bloodbath. But maybe like even 50 percent of the games between top countries are actually even entertaining. Alot of the time they are cagey and slow with the stakes so high.
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Yeah offensively maybe Pande, but their defense really sucked. Hope it will again and we see a really entertaining game. 
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Awww yes another night of Pepe!
In all seriousness I hope it will be a fast match with lots of goals. Think Croatia has the better team but anything is possible.
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will croatia be able to perform as the clear favourite or will they crumble under pressure ?
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On June 26 2016 03:57 Makro wrote:
will croatia be able to perform as the clear favourite or will they crumble under pressure ?
They're only the clear favorite if we go by how both teams played in this EURO so far... If this was the first game of the EURO I'd say Portugal isn't unfavored at all.
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