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Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 11:21:38
December 18 2009 11:18 GMT
#121
On December 18 2009 19:50 Oxygen wrote:
does Team Liquid have the legal right to sue over abuse? i.e. can they demand penalty fines?
Kinda violating UDHR 10/12/48 ? ^^
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17730 Posts
December 18 2009 11:57 GMT
#122
On December 18 2009 20:07 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 18:31 Lord_of_Chaos wrote:

Also, if they ever get caught for anything again, it's a life time ban. That means no DreamHack, no replay uploads,

wait so if i get caught cheating you wont post any more replays of me?

hey guys i gave ret a freewin that last game

never change haha

I think people even arguing that the punishment is too harsh is the exact reason why the punishments need to become harsher. It just shows how many people view cheating/abusing in bw and its excatly why people keep on cheating. Like that stylish incident he acted like he didnt even do anything wrong. Of course what he did wasnt as bad as what people did in tsl but it was still lying to the people who follow his vods/threads. You never see people admit that they cheated. Its always they get caught and then they admit to it and its always the same excuses. I didnt have enough time, it was just a few points, why are you getting so upset, people dodge me, etc.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
December 18 2009 12:21 GMT
#123
On December 18 2009 08:35 aeroH wrote:
if it's anything less than what clazz got then i'll be disappointed.
cheating in a big money tournament

oh yeah i forgot about clazzi
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
December 18 2009 12:40 GMT
#124
On December 18 2009 20:57 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I think people even arguing that the punishment is too harsh is the exact reason why the punishments need to become harsher. It just shows how many people view cheating/abusing in bw and its excatly why people keep on cheating. Like that stylish incident he acted like he didnt even do anything wrong. Of course what he did wasnt as bad as what people did in tsl but it was still lying to the people who follow his vods/threads. You never see people admit that they cheated. Its always they get caught and then they admit to it and its always the same excuses. I didnt have enough time, it was just a few points, why are you getting so upset, people dodge me, etc.
Maphack and playing with teammates is different. So the punishment should be different. Execution for "pointing" in ladder and wait... double execution for maphack?
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ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1689 Posts
December 18 2009 12:50 GMT
#125
On December 18 2009 20:07 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 18:31 Lord_of_Chaos wrote:

Also, if they ever get caught for anything again, it's a life time ban. That means no DreamHack, no replay uploads,

wait so if i get caught cheating you wont post any more replays of me?

hey guys i gave ret a freewin that last game



Lol I have to admit I like Idra more and more.

GJ on the punishments, let's hope we see equally, or more serious action from TL. It's an insult to the organisers, the other ladder players, and all us honest players out there who would never dream of doing this.
EleGant[AoV]
Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
December 18 2009 13:49 GMT
#126
I think that banning is unfair, because I am sure that there were abusers outside top48, too... And they don't get any punishement. :/
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ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3812 Posts
December 18 2009 13:54 GMT
#127
On December 18 2009 22:49 Welmu wrote:
I think that banning is unfair, because I am sure that there were abusers outside top48, too... And they don't get any punishement. :/


the punishment is they abused and wasted their time for no reason

plus they suck
: o )
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 13:58:19
December 18 2009 13:57 GMT
#128
On December 18 2009 22:49 Welmu wrote:
I think that banning is unfair, because I am sure that there were abusers outside top48, too... And they don't get any punishement. :/

Half the abusers we caught were outside of the top 48 when we started our checks. A few remained outside of it even after we removed the 15 in front of them. HappyZerg and Juachi never made it to top 48 despite all the disqualifications, and Scan, Juanjo, Mercury were outside of top 48 before we started checking.

Even if we would catch zero players outside of top 48 your statement still makes no sense. You can't find every car thief on the planet does that mean you shouldn't do anything about the ones that you do catch.

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Culpable
Profile Joined May 2009
Sweden7 Posts
December 18 2009 14:03 GMT
#129
I really think that guys that is doing this shit, ruin awesome tournaments in a already small community deserves lifeban from all that have to do with it.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
December 18 2009 14:34 GMT
#130
I think for punishment, the most severe of them all is a life time IP ban from Iccup. That would be GG. Oh and sorry for all those who live anywhere close to any of those abusers. When Iccup bans IP, they ban it good.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=97528
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
HeaDStrong
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Scotland785 Posts
December 18 2009 14:37 GMT
#131
Why are some people so nice to F91?

He's one of the most talented and skilled players outside Korea. He doesn't too much effort to qualify and when it fails he just abuses- totally unacceptable. I could understand (understand NOT justify) someone who's bad and abuses to be up there...

And for people who defend him because he admitted it- you are wrong as one can be. He denied it as long as possible. Read the ladder thread where ret accused him of abusing. Ash asked F91 and he at first denied it only after he was actually caught did he admit anything and that of course is meaningless.

IdrA's such a chill and witty guy.
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 18 2009 14:47 GMT
#132
its so unbelievable witty and chilled that you flame and blame and write stupid shit in at least half of your games that u lose..

I wholehearted agree with your last statement..

hatred outlives the hateful
purgerinho
Profile Joined June 2008
Croatia919 Posts
December 18 2009 15:19 GMT
#133
idra is using this abusers to become popular! and he is doing it well :D buuuuut!!! (!!!), it's truth he gave ret a freewin coz if you look a replay you'll see that ret never attacked idra so he couldn't win unless idra wanted that :D
SUMMARIZED (by DeMu): You CANNOT surprise a top level Protoss with a build
Intr3pid
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Switzerland336 Posts
December 18 2009 15:21 GMT
#134
Haha Idra > all. Seriously, how can you not like the guy even if you don't agree with him? :D
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 15:40:29
December 18 2009 15:38 GMT
#135
In the "[TSL] Casters, Maps and Format"-thread, posted one month ago:

On November 18 2009 11:37 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2009 10:56 Zhyan wrote:
On November 18 2009 00:53 Hot_Bid wrote:
On November 17 2009 10:18 Zhyan wrote:
On November 17 2009 08:08 Hot_Bid wrote:
On November 17 2009 06:50 OppositeSavior wrote:
So anyone can play in TSL just make an account with TSL tag and start playing the 21st?

Yes, provided you do not have a Chinese or Korean IP.


So isn't ret and Idra allow to play? I suspect they have a Korean IP.

And how do you judge whether a player is playing with a Chinese or Korean IP when he is playing the ladder?

We will know because his IP address will be Korean or Chinese.

Well, I know it sounds stupid, but can you please explain explicitly about this IP issue? For example, If i am playing with an USA IP for most of the games, and then play with a Chinese/Korean IP for one or several games, would you know that? And would you punish that?

All ladder games must be played from non-Korean, non-Chinese IPs. In your hypothetical, are you saying you plan to play most of the games from the United States then fly to China and play one game? I suspect this issue affects very few people.

As for our ability to detect IPs, I'm obviously not going to tell you explicitly how we track it or how evade it (if evading us is even possible). For 99.99% of cases, we will know if you play even one or two games from inside Korea or China, and any account that does this (without us giving the player an exception) will be disqualified.

This DQ will very likely happen at the end of the ladder, so there won't be time to play another account to qualify (if that is the goal). If multiple accounts are used in this way, we will know by cross-checking IPs. Also, all accounts with games played sharing IPs (for instance, if your A+ friend logs in and plays games for you) can and will be found out by us too. Add to this the rule that you must give all ladder replays to us (for hotkey matching), and its going to be very, very difficult to abuse.

Basically, don't try to abuse or game the system, because we will find out and you will be punished -- harshly. This is very likely not the last TSL, and abuse in one will likely result in a lifetime ban from all future TL events.
distant_voice
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Germany2521 Posts
December 18 2009 15:42 GMT
#136
On December 18 2009 22:57 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Even if we would catch zero players outside of top 48 your statement still makes no sense. You can't find every car thief on the planet does that mean you shouldn't do anything about the ones that you do catch.


of course not, it'd be so unfair!! besides, some of those thieves had cars anyway, so they wouldn't have needed the ones they stole.
This is my truth, tell me yours!
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
December 18 2009 16:05 GMT
#137
Despite all the arguments anyone can come up with, people who abused in this tournament deserve anything and everything that TL throws at them.

There are some very silly discussions over making punishments known beforehand. Whether or not this was done 'properly' is of no consequence. Anyone who is going to abuse in the biggest SC tournament outside of Korea to EVER TAKE PLACE - with its huge-ass prize pool, its array of dedicated volunteers, and all the work that has been put into it - should know better purely from common sense. If you mess with such a thing, you are disturbing the mountain that is the foreigner scene. Punishment is strongly implied.

The argument that not making punishment known beforehand has ruined the prestige of this tournament is ridiculous. If anything has 'ruined' the prestige of this tournament, it's the abusers themselves. No one at TL, no one involved in the TSL2 is to blame for their actions.

Anyway, like Manifesto said, the abusers will not scar this tournament. The tournament will scar them.
ELESSAR
Profile Joined July 2009
Bulgaria173 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 16:55:45
December 18 2009 16:21 GMT
#138
On December 18 2009 12:50 JoMal wrote:
I agree that the abusers should be banned severly but i understand what micronesia is saying by an upfront warning. Players would be less likely to abuse if they know the potential consequences of their actions, if they still do .. by all means permanent ban them.

So they will abuse in the next tournament where there will be less chance they will get caught? This is the way it should have been and I'm glad it played out like that.
F91 should have the same punishment as the rest. He should be punished by hes team as well.


edit: TL did put a lot of effort to make this tournament happen and found a lot of money for the prize pool and ofter some players pissed on TL's face there are still some idiots that say TL does not have the right to ban them from THEIR OWN future tournaments.


My idea is the same as in many other sports: 2 year ban for first offence ant life time ban for 2nd
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
December 18 2009 16:53 GMT
#139
On December 18 2009 13:17 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 13:13 MageKirby wrote:
On December 18 2009 13:00 micronesia wrote:
On December 18 2009 12:52 Shikyo wrote:
On December 18 2009 12:44 micronesia wrote:
On December 18 2009 12:36 dranjam wrote:
On December 18 2009 12:09 micronesia wrote:Still, I feel like it should be made clearer ahead of time that abusers will be caught and punished.

Does it say "murderers will be caught and punished" on a gun in United States? Do you know what common sense is?

The law is fairly clear about murder. There is no law about abusing TSL. Not a very good comparison.

Also your claim about 'common sense' is unworthy of attention.

The law is fairly clear about thievery. There is no law about shooting the head of a person named bob smith(arbitary, any relations to real people are accidental and unintentional) on the top floor of a house.

Common sense seems to be a mystery to some.

Stop being foolish. You can argue any ridiculous claim if you really want to work at it, but that doesn't make it reasonable. Your comparison is bad, your point is bad, any your attempts to make me seem like I am completing lacking in common sense are not making yourself look right.

It is obvious if you commit murder you are gonna be under a lot of heat. Not so obvious with violating the TSL. I'm not saying players think there's NO chance of ever getting caught/punished in any way, but it could be slightly more discouraged from the start. However, I qualified my statement by saying the staff can't be too specific or else they will actually encourage more carefully executed abuse.

On December 18 2009 12:53 dranjam wrote:
On December 18 2009 12:44 micronesia wrote:
The law is fairly clear about murder. There is no law about abusing TSL. Not a very good comparison.

Also your claim about 'common sense' is unworthy of attention.

Well, how worthy of attention is your claim about being proactive? Those people's mothers didn't teach them over the course of 15-20 years that cheating may lead to punishment, why do you expect TL.net should be proactive about this?
No matter how much you disregard common sense (and plenty of times I would agree with you on this), there's no way you can make me or most people here believe noone should be punished because there wasn't warning.

When did I say nobody should be punished? I was just suggesting starting the process earlier, and even then saying I understood why that's difficult.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=106924

you mean something on this line? or something more specific

More specific. What is the extent of the punishment? But yes it's good that they did that and I agree with it.

This is absurd. You want it so potential abusers can decide whether or not the punishment is worth taking the risk of being caught? Fuck that.
gunsakimbo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States38 Posts
December 18 2009 16:53 GMT
#140
This is probably a perfect ban. I agree that if you want a sport to be taken seriously, you need to disallow all forms of cheating. I'd even go a step further, and on a 2nd or 3rd cheat ban them permanently from all events.
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