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On October 28 2020 06:10 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 05:30 Danglars wrote:On October 28 2020 04:46 brian wrote:On October 28 2020 04:15 Danglars wrote:On October 28 2020 03:00 farvacola wrote:
Sorta, though it fits with the trend of right-leaning posters breaking well-known rules while complaining that right-leaning posters keep getting banned or treated unfairly. When the rules weren't sufficient, they made a subjective rule. But see previous discussion on complaints that the rules are only strictly enforced against right-leaning posters, and considerable leeway is granted to left-leaning posters. This goes back several years. non right leaning STAFF have been actioned for this exact same reason. the rule is not subjective, there is no interpretive leeway in ‘your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source..’ you may think its enforcement is, but more than a few lefties have been hit with it as well. this is just confirmation bias. which isn’t to mention how extremely flagrant this particular example is. idk Farva clearly had this pegged and you are making his case for him. You're making my point for me, since you bring up "your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source" as if that's an actual example of selective rule enforcement that right-leaning posters have made time and time again in this thread. I’m not going to engage with the rest of your post because that actually IS subjective and I would give you your interpretation as i expect you’ll give me mine. but what are you saying here? you claimed that rule was subjective, and i am stating it is not. rather, the enforcement of might be, and that i won’t argue with you. I do think it is ridiculously clear that this is not a case of selective enforcement, but I won’t argue anything about a broader trend. I think in some instances the argument has merit, and I think in this instance it is very clearly not.
You brought up an example that I don't see as an example at all of the discussed trend. The ban on Wegandi posting a litany of links with not even a one-sentence introduction to each one is not an example of something a left-wing poster would get away with. This, historically, has been the easy section of the rules to enforce in a non-partisan manner. Point out to me what part of my post criticized the most recent bans, versus the trend they're (not) part of.
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Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On October 28 2020 06:09 KwarK wrote:
I was a card carrying member of the British Conservative Party during the Cameron years. It’s just modern American Trumpism is very hard to defend.
Why KwawK, why you do this to me? I tuned into your stream for the first time the other day too? 
In fairness for a while I struggled to fully reconcile my family’s deep hatred of all things Tory with what I was observing from most of the Cameron years. Starting to get what they meant though
As per the actual topic, I’ve been banned at least 3-4 times (perhaps a mod knows the exact number) for absolute terrible posting in the Megathread
I vowed to improve the quality of my posting subsequently, have failed of course but I like the generally stringent moderation standards by modern internet standards even if I may at times fall the wrong side of them.
If conservative posters want to post like trash and flounce off like a scolding complaining about echo chambers, then I mean go for it. If they want to stick around and offer an internally atypical political perspective then I’m all for it.
For the record I think the Wegandi ban was a bit harsh and a warning would have sufficed as he actually engages in dialogue about his points and I generally find his perspectives interesting. Other recent bans I would classify as entirely appropriate as were my priors.
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Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On October 28 2020 06:22 JimmiC wrote:
I believe what Danglars is trying to point out is that there is systemic beliefism in TL. Perhaps some diversity training for our current mods could help, that way they would better understand the Trumpers.
Well I was in a psych ward with schizophrenic people so perhaps that background would qualify me for the job?
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On October 28 2020 04:18 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 04:08 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 28 2020 03:37 FlaShFTW wrote:On October 28 2020 03:07 Broetchenholer wrote:
I need to see if I can game the system. I know I'd get banned if I would post this, so I won't post this. Will I now get banned for hypothetical martyring? For science! Alright Seeker, send him out the airlock. I didn't realize the extent of what actually happens in the political thread until I started reading through and joining the discussion. Some... interesting folks in there to say the least. EDIT: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH nice work Tofucake Broetchenholer was just temp banned for 2 days by tofucake.
That account was created on 2011-03-08 02:02:47 and had 1336 posts.
Reason: When you say you're going to do a thing and then do it, we know you've done it. "Send him out the airlock" 🤣🤣🤣 Line of the year. Among us has given us so many great memes this year, Game of the Year easily. Thank god for small indie games making it big.
Game of the Year that didnt come out this year? 🤔🤔🤔
Actual game of the year is Hades btw
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On October 28 2020 06:17 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 06:10 brian wrote:On October 28 2020 05:30 Danglars wrote:On October 28 2020 04:46 brian wrote:On October 28 2020 04:15 Danglars wrote:On October 28 2020 03:00 farvacola wrote:
Sorta, though it fits with the trend of right-leaning posters breaking well-known rules while complaining that right-leaning posters keep getting banned or treated unfairly. When the rules weren't sufficient, they made a subjective rule. But see previous discussion on complaints that the rules are only strictly enforced against right-leaning posters, and considerable leeway is granted to left-leaning posters. This goes back several years. non right leaning STAFF have been actioned for this exact same reason. the rule is not subjective, there is no interpretive leeway in ‘your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source..’ you may think its enforcement is, but more than a few lefties have been hit with it as well. this is just confirmation bias. which isn’t to mention how extremely flagrant this particular example is. idk Farva clearly had this pegged and you are making his case for him. You're making my point for me, since you bring up "your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source" as if that's an actual example of selective rule enforcement that right-leaning posters have made time and time again in this thread. I’m not going to engage with the rest of your post because that actually IS subjective and I would give you your interpretation as i expect you’ll give me mine. but what are you saying here? you claimed that rule was subjective, and i am stating it is not. rather, the enforcement of might be, and that i won’t argue with you. I do think it is ridiculously clear that this is not a case of selective enforcement, but I won’t argue anything about a broader trend. I think in some instances the argument has merit, and I think in this instance it is very clearly not. You brought up an example that I don't see as an example at all of the discussed trend. The ban on Wegandi posting a litany of links with not even a one-sentence introduction to each one is not an example of something a left-wing poster would get away with. This, historically, has been the easy section of the rules to enforce in a non-partisan manner. Point out to me what part of my post criticized the most recent bans, versus the trend they're (not) part of.
got it. i hear that, and i misunderstood, it seemed to me that this was meant as an example of what you were talking about, given you replied to farva mentioning exactly that.
i appreciate the help understanding.
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On October 28 2020 06:31 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 04:18 FlaShFTW wrote:On October 28 2020 04:08 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 28 2020 03:37 FlaShFTW wrote:On October 28 2020 03:07 Broetchenholer wrote:
I need to see if I can game the system. I know I'd get banned if I would post this, so I won't post this. Will I now get banned for hypothetical martyring? For science! Alright Seeker, send him out the airlock. I didn't realize the extent of what actually happens in the political thread until I started reading through and joining the discussion. Some... interesting folks in there to say the least. EDIT: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH nice work Tofucake Broetchenholer was just temp banned for 2 days by tofucake.
That account was created on 2011-03-08 02:02:47 and had 1336 posts.
Reason: When you say you're going to do a thing and then do it, we know you've done it. "Send him out the airlock" 🤣🤣🤣 Line of the year. Among us has given us so many great memes this year, Game of the Year easily. Thank god for small indie games making it big. Game of the Year that didnt come out this year? 🤔🤔🤔 Actual game of the year is Hades btw
Hades is great, definitely prefer it to Among Us
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United States44450 Posts
On October 28 2020 06:29 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 06:09 KwarK wrote:
I was a card carrying member of the British Conservative Party during the Cameron years. It’s just modern American Trumpism is very hard to defend. Why KwawK, why you do this to me? I tuned into your stream for the first time the other day too? In fairness for a while I struggled to fully reconcile my family’s deep hatred of all things Tory with what I was observing from most of the Cameron years. Starting to get what they meant though As per the actual topic, I’ve been banned at least 3-4 times (perhaps a mod knows the exact number) for absolute terrible posting in the Megathread I vowed to improve the quality of my posting subsequently, have failed of course but I like the generally stringent moderation standards by modern internet standards even if I may at times fall the wrong side of them. If conservative posters want to post like trash and flounce off like a scolding complaining about echo chambers, then I mean go for it. If they want to stick around and offer an internally atypical political perspective then I’m all for it. For the record I think the Wegandi ban was a bit harsh and a warning would have sufficed as he actually engages in dialogue about his points and I generally find his perspectives interesting. Other recent bans I would classify as entirely appropriate as were my priors.
I was young and Blair was killing Iraqis.
The modern Tory party has little appeal left in it for me these days. But guys like Ken Clarke seemed competent enough to my mind back then, especially given the failures of New Labour.
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Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On October 28 2020 06:38 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 06:29 WombaT wrote:On October 28 2020 06:09 KwarK wrote:
I was a card carrying member of the British Conservative Party during the Cameron years. It’s just modern American Trumpism is very hard to defend. Why KwawK, why you do this to me? I tuned into your stream for the first time the other day too? In fairness for a while I struggled to fully reconcile my family’s deep hatred of all things Tory with what I was observing from most of the Cameron years. Starting to get what they meant though As per the actual topic, I’ve been banned at least 3-4 times (perhaps a mod knows the exact number) for absolute terrible posting in the Megathread I vowed to improve the quality of my posting subsequently, have failed of course but I like the generally stringent moderation standards by modern internet standards even if I may at times fall the wrong side of them. If conservative posters want to post like trash and flounce off like a scolding complaining about echo chambers, then I mean go for it. If they want to stick around and offer an internally atypical political perspective then I’m all for it. For the record I think the Wegandi ban was a bit harsh and a warning would have sufficed as he actually engages in dialogue about his points and I generally find his perspectives interesting. Other recent bans I would classify as entirely appropriate as were my priors. I was young and Blair was killing Iraqis. The modern Tory party has little appeal left in it for me these days. But guys like Ken Clarke seemed competent enough to my mind back then, especially given the failures of New Labour.
We were all young once, I remember once proclaiming Limp Bizkit as the greatest band ever and finding Boris Johnson rather personable on his frequent spots on Have I Got News For You
Ken Clarke is positively Rain Man-esque by comparison with much of the current lot, plus seems a decent and principled enough fellow, which is in even more scant supply.
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United States10627 Posts
On October 28 2020 06:31 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 04:18 FlaShFTW wrote:On October 28 2020 04:08 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 28 2020 03:37 FlaShFTW wrote:On October 28 2020 03:07 Broetchenholer wrote:
I need to see if I can game the system. I know I'd get banned if I would post this, so I won't post this. Will I now get banned for hypothetical martyring? For science! Alright Seeker, send him out the airlock. I didn't realize the extent of what actually happens in the political thread until I started reading through and joining the discussion. Some... interesting folks in there to say the least. EDIT: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH nice work Tofucake Broetchenholer was just temp banned for 2 days by tofucake.
That account was created on 2011-03-08 02:02:47 and had 1336 posts.
Reason: When you say you're going to do a thing and then do it, we know you've done it. "Send him out the airlock" 🤣🤣🤣 Line of the year. Among us has given us so many great memes this year, Game of the Year easily. Thank god for small indie games making it big. Game of the Year that didnt come out this year? 🤔🤔🤔 Actual game of the year is Hades btw
Game of the Year doesn't necessarily have to have come out this year. The esports awards for game of the year are always the usual suspects.
I suppose if you wanted to make that distinction, I never played Hades but have only heard great things about it. Among us is just up there with the popularity and the overall scope of what it's done. The fact that people like AOC even joined to play some games is insane.
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On October 28 2020 06:57 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 06:31 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 28 2020 04:18 FlaShFTW wrote:On October 28 2020 04:08 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 28 2020 03:37 FlaShFTW wrote:On October 28 2020 03:07 Broetchenholer wrote:
I need to see if I can game the system. I know I'd get banned if I would post this, so I won't post this. Will I now get banned for hypothetical martyring? For science! Alright Seeker, send him out the airlock. I didn't realize the extent of what actually happens in the political thread until I started reading through and joining the discussion. Some... interesting folks in there to say the least. EDIT: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH nice work Tofucake Broetchenholer was just temp banned for 2 days by tofucake.
That account was created on 2011-03-08 02:02:47 and had 1336 posts.
Reason: When you say you're going to do a thing and then do it, we know you've done it. "Send him out the airlock" 🤣🤣🤣 Line of the year. Among us has given us so many great memes this year, Game of the Year easily. Thank god for small indie games making it big. Game of the Year that didnt come out this year? 🤔🤔🤔 Actual game of the year is Hades btw Game of the Year doesn't necessarily have to have come out this year. The esports awards for game of the year are always the usual suspects. I suppose if you wanted to make that distinction, I never played Hades but have only heard great things about it. Among us is just up there with the popularity and the overall scope of what it's done. The fact that people like AOC even joined to play some games is insane.
If your criteria is popularity and AOC played it LoL might as well win every year though.
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United States10627 Posts
On October 28 2020 08:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 06:57 FlaShFTW wrote:On October 28 2020 06:31 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 28 2020 04:18 FlaShFTW wrote:On October 28 2020 04:08 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 28 2020 03:37 FlaShFTW wrote:On October 28 2020 03:07 Broetchenholer wrote:
I need to see if I can game the system. I know I'd get banned if I would post this, so I won't post this. Will I now get banned for hypothetical martyring? For science! Alright Seeker, send him out the airlock. I didn't realize the extent of what actually happens in the political thread until I started reading through and joining the discussion. Some... interesting folks in there to say the least. EDIT: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH nice work Tofucake Broetchenholer was just temp banned for 2 days by tofucake.
That account was created on 2011-03-08 02:02:47 and had 1336 posts.
Reason: When you say you're going to do a thing and then do it, we know you've done it. "Send him out the airlock" 🤣🤣🤣 Line of the year. Among us has given us so many great memes this year, Game of the Year easily. Thank god for small indie games making it big. Game of the Year that didnt come out this year? 🤔🤔🤔 Actual game of the year is Hades btw Game of the Year doesn't necessarily have to have come out this year. The esports awards for game of the year are always the usual suspects. I suppose if you wanted to make that distinction, I never played Hades but have only heard great things about it. Among us is just up there with the popularity and the overall scope of what it's done. The fact that people like AOC even joined to play some games is insane. If your criteria is popularity and AOC played it LoL might as well win every year though.
I think raw popularity is a pretty good indicator. It's more about the wide spread play of the game imo.
I think if we talk about purely game mechanics and the development of a game, that's different. I also think that "esport of the year" is also another different criteria.
For just a purely game of the year, Among us wins in terms of raw popularity, content creation, even the game mechanics are fairly good, its got excellent replayability, its enjoyable to play (league is just purely stockholm syndrome), the graphics are childish but very cute and lovable. idk why I'm getting flack for this, we don't need to be elitist about our games (ironically on a Starcraft forum). It's just my opinion after all.
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On October 28 2020 05:53 Biff The Understudy wrote:
It happens that many of the team Trump folks happen to shitpost A LOT, and that this forum is international - and american right wing is kinda fringe internationally. You don't get 50/50 because many, many posters are from Europe and very few europeans align in any way with american conservatives and Trump in particular.
Indeed. Of the conservative posters I can recall that got banned, most were banned for pretty blatantly obvious reasons. The most prominent one I can think of from last year was banned because he said a sitting member of congress deserved to be discriminated against, and this was just after he came off a temp ban for using a racist nickname for a senator. I can think of several left-leaning posters who were temp banned for various things, but the difference frequently was that they would usually admit when they crossed the line and their posts would reflect that they learned from their mistakes.
Good posters don't get banned, conservative or not. Argue in good faith and be civil, and no one will take you down.
Precisely. There are several conservative posters here from over the years I can think of that fit this description exactly and in most cases I can't recall any of them getting warned, let alone banned, for their posts. It's all about being respectful, posting in good faith, and not just spending entire posts trying to pull "gotchas" on people over stupid technicalities while ignoring the actual substance of their posts.
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this one I found a little interesting. guy created an account in the team thread in 2013 then recently requested a nuke. never posted between. wonder what made him remember his account and want his post wiped out. I assume there was some personal information on it but I wonder if something happened to him from it (can't imagine someone scrolling that threads posts in 2013) or he just woke up an was like "I made a post on TL in 2013 that I need to get rid of."
iDeNzy was just banned by TheEmulator.
That account was created on 2013-06-21 06:47:55 and had 1 posts.
Reason: Requested
also an adbot got banned in the Liquidlegends site. In terms of traffic thats probably the worst place to post. not even sure when the last mod action was there.
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On October 28 2020 06:31 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 04:18 FlaShFTW wrote:On October 28 2020 04:08 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 28 2020 03:37 FlaShFTW wrote:On October 28 2020 03:07 Broetchenholer wrote:
I need to see if I can game the system. I know I'd get banned if I would post this, so I won't post this. Will I now get banned for hypothetical martyring? For science! Alright Seeker, send him out the airlock. I didn't realize the extent of what actually happens in the political thread until I started reading through and joining the discussion. Some... interesting folks in there to say the least. EDIT: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH nice work Tofucake Broetchenholer was just temp banned for 2 days by tofucake.
That account was created on 2011-03-08 02:02:47 and had 1336 posts.
Reason: When you say you're going to do a thing and then do it, we know you've done it. "Send him out the airlock" 🤣🤣🤣 Line of the year. Among us has given us so many great memes this year, Game of the Year easily. Thank god for small indie games making it big. Game of the Year that didnt come out this year? 🤔🤔🤔 Actual game of the year is Hades btw
Funka said the same during the o'gaming stream today, great minds
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51718 Posts
well at least we knew what we were expecting when he made the account.
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United States10627 Posts
Danglars was just temp banned for 1 week by Seeker.
That account was created on 2010-08-17 14:36:18 and had 11854 posts.
Reason: Danglars, I'm sorry but I think that you need to take a break from the USPMT. I agree with other people talking about how you refuse to argue in good faith. You can't seem to ever admit the other side is right regardless of how much evidence gets provided to you. It's been an ongoing pattern for a while now, and at some point, we have to step in and say that enough is enough.
Madlads actually banned him. I didn't know being a stubborn person was actually ban worthy tbh.
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the explanation and discussion is in the us website feedback threat if anyone's curious about it.
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Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On November 03 2020 04:57 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +Danglars was just temp banned for 1 week by Seeker.
That account was created on 2010-08-17 14:36:18 and had 11854 posts.
Reason: Danglars, I'm sorry but I think that you need to take a break from the USPMT. I agree with other people talking about how you refuse to argue in good faith. You can't seem to ever admit the other side is right regardless of how much evidence gets provided to you. It's been an ongoing pattern for a while now, and at some point, we have to step in and say that enough is enough. Madlads actually banned him. I didn't know being a stubborn person was actually ban worthy tbh.
You can still argue in good faith whilst being extremely stubborn about your own particular beliefs.
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