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United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-25 00:39:04
October 25 2020 00:31 GMT
#62241
I think they were just floating an idea and as of yet haven't done anything about it or announced anything in regards to this thread. For this one in particular regardless I guess the US feedback thread would be better since a lot of the arguments are about political stuff. Considering there's not really any activity in this thread otherwise at the moment (and usually isn't nowadays albeit with the occasional interesting ban) the stuff about whether a perm was necessary could be discussed here. The arguments about sourcing and stuff really seem more like the US politics thread feedback would be a much better location for that discussion considering its already active and used pretty often.
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Poland9246 Posts
October 27 2020 15:17 GMT
#62242
It's purge time!

Wegandi was just temp banned for 1 week by Seeker.

That account was created on 2011-03-12 14:09:12 and had 2197 posts.

Reason: Once again, please follow the USPMT rules and guidelines regarding sources. What you posted just now was absolutely unacceptable. You’ve been given mod actions for this before. Please shape up your posting.


iPlaY.NettleS was just temp banned for 1 week by Seeker.

That account was created on 2010-06-23 17:12:27 and had 3669 posts.

Reason: While it is okay to voice your opinion, it is not okay to push it as the one and only truth. Please thoroughly fact check your statements before you make them. Also, take a break from USPMT. You really need it.
You're now breathing manually
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9717 Posts
October 27 2020 15:33 GMT
#62243
Wait has tofucake finally won the argument to ban everyone from USpol???
RIP Meatloaf <3
NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
October 27 2020 15:43 GMT
#62244
I need to protect all your life you can enjoy the vibrant life of your battery
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24740 Posts
October 27 2020 15:49 GMT
#62245
I think the more serious discussion has been whether to stick to status quo or go back to the early days policy of no political discussions. If the latter is selected, the politics threads get closed... we don't actually need to ban everyone in those threads... as cathartic as that might be.
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10232 Posts
October 27 2020 15:52 GMT
#62246
On October 28 2020 00:49 micronesia wrote:
I think the more serious discussion has been whether to stick to status quo or go back to the early days policy of no political discussions. If the latter is selected, the politics threads get closed... we don't actually need to ban everyone in those threads... as cathartic as that might be.

How about just a few select users
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
October 27 2020 15:55 GMT
#62247
On October 28 2020 00:49 micronesia wrote:
I think the more serious discussion has been whether to stick to status quo or go back to the early days policy of no political discussions. If the latter is selected, the politics threads get closed... we don't actually need to ban everyone in those threads... as cathartic as that might be.

This is correct. Outside of politics, most of these people probably wouldn’t get banned. We could all just go back to enjoying StarCraft like one big happy family.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 27 2020 15:59 GMT
#62248
--- Nuked ---
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7917 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-27 16:05:17
October 27 2020 16:02 GMT
#62249
I've met some nice people, learnt a great deal, got insight into the mind and line of reasoning of folks I would otherwise never interact with and despite a lots of arguments and frustration, my experience from the politics thread is a positive one. Though I wouldn't like to have to moderate that.

Also I've had totally pleasant encounters with people that really frustrated me - xDaunt to start with - on other section of the site and by pm over other topics.

It's not as bad as you guys make it sound like. The "let's not talk about politics" is easier to manage, but the result it's the reason people end up interacting exclusively in ecochambers. For all our flaws, this is still the best place to hear about people perspective I have found on the internet.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
October 27 2020 16:07 GMT
#62250
On October 28 2020 01:02 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I've met some nice people, learnt a great deal, got insight into the mind and line of reasoning of folks I would otherwise never interact with and despite a lots of arguments and frustration, my experience from the politics thread is a positive one. Though I wouldn't like to have to moderate that.

Also I've had totally pleasant encounters with people that really frustrated me - xDaunt to start with - on other section of the site and by pm over other topics.

It's not as bad as you guys make it sound like. The "let's not talk about politics" is easier to manage, but the result it's the reason people end up interacting exclusively in ecochambers. For all our flaws, this is still the best place to hear about people perspective I have found on the internet.

Many people who don't like to talk about politics enjoy shit talking people who do.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7384 Posts
October 27 2020 16:13 GMT
#62251
On October 28 2020 00:55 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2020 00:49 micronesia wrote:
I think the more serious discussion has been whether to stick to status quo or go back to the early days policy of no political discussions. If the latter is selected, the politics threads get closed... we don't actually need to ban everyone in those threads... as cathartic as that might be.

This is correct. Outside of politics, most of these people probably wouldn’t get banned. We could all just go back to enjoying StarCraft like one big happy family.


I haven't enjoyed SC2 since Protoss last won a GSL though.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Taelshin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada420 Posts
October 27 2020 17:03 GMT
#62252
So of the like 4-6 right leaning posters in the usp thread 3 have been banned in the last 4ish days. Is it their posting thats's so troubling or the fact that the majority does not agree with them?

I understand this is likely to earn me a ban as well but I think its a fair question. Love reading the forum, love the different opinions but its nothing with out all points of view.

User was temp banned for this post.
"We didnt listen"
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7917 Posts
October 27 2020 17:07 GMT
#62253
On October 28 2020 01:13 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2020 00:55 Seeker wrote:
On October 28 2020 00:49 micronesia wrote:
I think the more serious discussion has been whether to stick to status quo or go back to the early days policy of no political discussions. If the latter is selected, the politics threads get closed... we don't actually need to ban everyone in those threads... as cathartic as that might be.

This is correct. Outside of politics, most of these people probably wouldn’t get banned. We could all just go back to enjoying StarCraft like one big happy family.


I haven't enjoyed SC2 since Protoss last won a GSL though.

Then it's time to watch some brood war. If you haven't followed, watch every game Flash played in the current ASL. It's the stuff of legends.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7917 Posts
October 27 2020 17:08 GMT
#62254
On October 28 2020 02:03 Taelshin wrote:
So of the like 4-6 right leaning posters in the usp thread 3 have been banned in the last 4ish days. Is it their posting thats's so troubling or the fact that the majority does not agree with them?

I understand this is likely to earn me a ban as well but I think its a fair question. Love reading the forum, love the different opinions but its nothing with out all points of view.

Bro don't say shit like that. That will earn you a ban.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-27 17:13:21
October 27 2020 17:12 GMT
#62255
It's their posting, and it's not been for the same reasons.It's only been 3, btw, and 2 of them were pretty short (1 week bans).

Two of them were heavy conspiracy theorists more than they were conservatives, and the rules prohibit posting really shitty sources over and over (this is what got nettles).

Doodsmack posted conspiracy theories with slightly better sources (Nettles frequently uses youtube videos), then responded aggressively to shit posts, in addition to a long mod history.

Wegandi's final post violated one of the main rules of the thread something like a dozen times. If you put a link, you have to summarize it and explain why it's relevant. Instead he posted like a dozen links without context and said "read this" instead of responding.

On October 27 2020 23:59 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2020 23:20 JimmiC wrote:
On October 27 2020 20:00 farvacola wrote:
Wegandi is just listing all of the things libertarians like him hate and then vaguely associating them with people he hates. Combine that with provably stupid shit like "AOC is like Hugo Chavez" and its clear he's not saying true things, he's just railing against an enemy because he's both afraid of them and equipped with a very limited set of ideas with which to impugn them. Meaningless tripe like "strong property rights" is one of the tells, that's as hoveringly empty a signifier as it gets, and when an immoderate starts calling others bad because they aren't moderate, it's clear we're in fantasy land.

Its funny that you bring up meaningless tripes as empty signifiers. I'm starting to see more and more pop up and people are acting as if these are "smart" counters to arguments but when you ask what they mean or how X did them they never seem to have a answer. Around here it seems like "cutting red tape" and anything bad about "bureaucrats" are big time tells that someone is mad but has no idea at what or how to solve anything.

On October 27 2020 18:08 schaf wrote:
I don't want to come off as a smug European but in Germany or highest court has a one term limit of 12 years and an age cap at 68. Wouldn't something like this be better than Kavanaugh still making rulings in fourty years thanks to modern medicine? It would take away the importance of a single person for the whole system and give young scholars of law something to dream about.


These types of simple and smart rules would make a big difference. It is sad that it does not happen.

On a side note it must suck to be a awesome judge who has been doing a great job and expected to wait their turn and then all the sudden it becomes put in the youngest person with the right political affiliation so they can stay the longest instead of the best person for the job.

It is strange how much the American right has moved from being so pro merit based to so pro nepotism.


https://www.amazon.com/Death-Regulation-Robbed-Golden-Reclaim-ebook/dp/B07CHKRSFH/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Dr. Mary J. Ruwart&qid=1603808643&s=audible&sr=1-1-catcorr

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/opinion/columns/fda-policies-kill/article_e0d5eec5-f3ea-5f3b-a621-81334e400062.html (Economist Walter Williams)

https://mises.org/library/land-use-regulation-supply-and-demand-analysis-changing-property-rights

https://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/files/ECM_PRO_060974.pdf

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/the-regulatory-state-is-failing-us/612220/

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/04/measuring-the-cost-of-regulation-a-text-based-approach.html

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/too-few-regulations-no-just-ineffective-ones-0

https://www.cato.org/blog/occupational-licensing-reform-moves-forward-0

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/12/captured-economy/547967/

Ya, ya, I can go on as that's just the tip of the iceberg of how inane and labyrinthine the CFR and the administrative state is.

User was temp banned for this post.



Granted, some of them may have been provoked more than liberal posters , and this may lead to shittier posting, but it doesn't excuse the behavior.
Taelshin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada420 Posts
October 27 2020 17:21 GMT
#62256
@biff Aha good point and I know I've gone at you before and earned a temp ban for it but I felt it needs to be said.

@Nevuk I report posts I find to be of low quality all the time. Sometime the people get hit, Sometime not. I don't complain after. It's easy to cheerlead your opposition getting punished.
"We didnt listen"
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9632 Posts
October 27 2020 17:32 GMT
#62257
i think framing that as cheerleading is disingenuous as best.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7917 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-27 17:34:43
October 27 2020 17:34 GMT
#62258
On October 28 2020 02:21 Taelshin wrote:
@biff Aha good point and I know I've gone at you before and earned a temp ban for it but I felt it needs to be said.

@Nevuk I report posts I find to be of low quality all the time. Sometime the people get hit, Sometime not. I don't complain after. It's easy to cheerlead your opposition getting punished.

No I mean you can question the bans and people in charge are super open minded here when it comes to questioning their actions, BUT martyring, like "I will probably get banned for saying this" and such is usually not well received.

You won't be banned at all for anything you said, except maybe that bit of sentence. I would remove it
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7917 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-27 17:55:48
October 27 2020 17:54 GMT
#62259
Taelshin was just temp banned for 2 days by Seeker.

That account was created on 2010-09-22 04:13:32 and had 195 posts.

Reason: Uuuuggghhhhh... Why did you have to add that unnecessary statement? That’s known as “martyring” on TL, and it results in an automatic temp ban


That was like watching someone walk towards certain death and be powerless to prevent it 😢

Truly horrible.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-27 18:00:59
October 27 2020 18:00 GMT
#62260
Sorta, though it fits with the trend of right-leaning posters breaking well-known rules while complaining that right-leaning posters keep getting banned or treated unfairly.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
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