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This thread is for discussing recent bans. Don't discuss other topics here. Take it to website feedback if you disagree with a ban or want to raise an issue. Keep it civil. NOTE: For those of you who want to find the actual ABL thread where the bans are posted. Please look in here: https://tl.net/forum/closed-threads/ | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23782 Posts
Frustrating really. I enjoy engaging with other views but when it takes the form of myopic selectivity on constant repeat, hits the point of borderline derailing. No doubt the tried and tested circle of being consistently selective to the point where nobody wants to engage you anymore becomes further ‘proof’ that the ‘left’ resides in echo chambers and wants to censor conservatives. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
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Introvert
United States4654 Posts
I remember many interactions a few years back when he was a lower quality poster. The improvement was obvious and welcome. Not a good day. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Did he even have a temp ban in recent history? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7116 Posts
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Taelshin
Canada415 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States22683 Posts
On October 23 2020 18:24 Taelshin wrote: I also am confused what Dood got banned for. I didn't know he had a bad history of posting but everything he's posted recently seems fairly tame. Calling attention to the fact that the forum is a bit of an echo chamber doesn't seem all that bad. Brief look I only found a 2 week and 1 month for the tweet thing a couple years ago. I think the handwavy "pages of mod notes" is wack myself (generically speaking). | ||
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Simberto
Germany11315 Posts
While his posting was a bit annoying, it was mostly because he seemed to genuinely be a rightwing crazyperson, not because he seemed to want to troll. And i think we do lose something if we no longer have any regressives around. While they are kind of hard to understand, it helps show that a lot of people lives in a completely different world. | ||
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brian
United States9610 Posts
I’ll agree that the mod history as a justification seems a little much for a perm given how little i remember him being actioned but my memory isn’t great. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On October 23 2020 22:32 brian wrote: i genuinely feel the opposite. i thought most of his arguments displayed the same bad faith he was arguing against within each specific post. perhaps it was sarcasm, but it was so consistent that if it were sarcasm all the way through then that too does not help the discourse. Yeah I think there should be at least a basic level of honesty when participating in a discussion. When someone is repeatedly caught lying and shows no shame, or constantly demands standards of others and then flouts them themselves as soon as it's convenient, that's just shitposting. It wouldn't be tolerated in the game section of the forum. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23782 Posts
On October 24 2020 03:19 Starlightsun wrote: Yeah I think there should be at least a basic level of honesty when participating in a discussion. When someone is repeatedly caught lying and shows no shame, or constantly demands standards of others and then flouts them themselves as soon as it's convenient, that's just shitposting. It wouldn't be tolerated in the game section of the forum. Indeed. The combination of bad faith argumentation while simultaneously demanding fairness is exceptionally irritating, especially if it’s a persistent pattern. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
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Jealous
10097 Posts
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
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tofucake
Hyrule18969 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On October 25 2020 00:28 Paljas wrote: what infraction was there? anyway, pointing to mod notes without any context is terrible either way. getting banned for balance whining about zerg doesnt mean that you cant contribute to a politics thread for example Continually posting conspiracy theories and attacking anyone who pointed out his sources sucked, then attacking any news at all critical of Trump, regardless of the source, for being "liberal" and therefore, fake : if it criticized Trump, that meant it wasn't true. It got boring fast. He refused to engage in good faith with anything for at least the last month. He also almost always wrote one liners as a response to any criticism of his theories, no matter how in depth or in good faith it was. On October 23 2020 03:59 Doodsmack wrote: Just lazy trust of liberal outlets and lazy distrust of no liberal ones. Despite all the documents, the argument in this thread "the FBI should be ignored on this, the DNI should be ignored, yhe DOJ and conservative outlets should be ignored." Granted I will not be able to convince you otherwise but you should at least be aware of how stubborn your standpoint is on what info should be considered. Only if liberal outlets will report on it will you believe it - a very short sighted and close minded viewpoint. These "liberal" outlets included the WSJ, owned by Rupert Murdoch, and the reporters at the very newspaper he was citing... His last few posts were peak shitposting. Even if you agreed with him, they added nothing to the conversation. On October 23 2020 04:13 Doodsmack wrote: You're actually calling into question the venerated "career civil servants" at the FBI though. On October 23 2020 04:33 Doodsmack wrote: Well I suppose that's final confirmation that there's a bubble vs bubble issue lol. User was banned for this post. On October 23 2020 04:51 Doodsmack wrote: The three previous posts basically say "my bubble is more legit than yours." His sources were all extreme partisan sites rated very low by any non-partisan fact checking site or group. (Breitbart, DailyCaller). This line of logic came after I pointed out I didn't even need to read such disreputable sites to ignore them and I could just wait for the WSJ or even Fox News to pick them up (they didn't). This was all from a single hour long period, and yes, he had been like this for weeks. There was also some staggering double think and hypocrisy : On October 22 2020 10:35 Doodsmack wrote: Fox now reporting that the Hunter biden laptop is part of a money laundering investigation by the FBI. Now that is interesting. Wonder who the "big guy" is? On October 22 2020 11:04 Doodsmack wrote: I would hope that the agency has left behind the type of far fetched theories it indulged in with the collusion investigation. Money laundering is much more run of the mill than "collusion" and "national security" also. In one breath cite a baseless conspiracy theory, and in the other, less than 30 minutes later, opine on how wrong it was to investigate a theory with far more evidence of a far worse crime. Sure, it wound up not being entirely true, but there was more than sufficient cause to investigate it. Edit: I think that if people want to argue it was wrongly banned that the feedback thread is probably better. I'm also not a mod so I don't know the exact reason why he was banned, this is just my best guess. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Doodsmack: the FBI should be ignored on this, the DNI should be ignored, yhe DOJ and conservative outlets should be ignored. It isn't just conservative outlet conspiracy theories Gorsameth: Trump and the administration brought this on themselves because of their lies Doodsmack: What about all the career civil servants involved? That's one of the central contentions in the Russia scandal wars. Can you just abandon standards of evidence because you simply choose to throw everything Trump and deputy departments under Trump in the garbage heap? Is that a fair way to judge the evidence? That's a very legitimate question. If you look at what he's first responding to, it overrelies on reporting that has a clear slant. Perfectly justifiable post. In the replies: I think you have confused the word liberal with legitimate. Quite the adding to the conversation. Shitposter answers shitposter. Ban them both, ban neither. The past three posts he criticized as "my bubble is more legit than yours." Post from Nevuk alleging Motherjones has broken major stories in ways the Daily Caller has not. That's a bubble opinion. They were first with investigative journalism on McCain angle on spreading the unverified Steele Dossier. The Daily Caller reporter was the first to render aid to an activist shot in Kenosha, and literally drove him to the hospital (mainstream media ignored that act of heroism, by the way. The same Daily Caller reporter was the only one interviewing Kyle Rittenhouse before the shooting later that night. Not the Washington Post reporter on the ground filming, but the Washington Post forced to use Daily Caller filming to write their story. Daily Caller was first to do investigative reporting on the charlatans running a fake Border Wall funding nonprofit. They broke the story of Karen Bass (potential Biden VP pick) having Scientology ties (July 31). Let's just say, they easily clear a Mother Jones threshhold of breaking news. If you want to be informed on both sides of biased reporting on an issue, put DC alongside the best of the mid-high tier news sites from the left. Other two posts were basically contentless shitposts. The parts where Nevuk nails actual problems with Doodsmack is his use of Breitbart. It's a source that can't be relied upon, even the 0.1% of the time where they do break something interesting. I'd additionally fault him for no discernment in responding to the thread's left-wing shitposters. Let them circle jerk the Trump hate, just don't fire back with their level of content: it shits up the thread. A liberal echo chamber firing that kind of content off into the void doesn't require interaction and generates half the shitposts. Wait for the posters that practice higher standards like (usually) Nevuk, Nouar, etc. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22683 Posts
I think that if people want to argue it was wrongly banned that the feedback thread is probably better. I'm also not a mod so I don't know the exact reason why he was banned, this is just my best guess. Didn't really get a solid conclusion on that. They suggested maybe it belonged here, they added a link to the ABL (bot posting one) in the mod note but not the feedback thread for ABL for discussions that include dissent/disagreement with the bans (which would make sense if they wanted those discussions in website feedback). I'd interpret that as this now being the place to discuss bans including dissenting opinions on the ban. Could be misinterpreting all that though. | ||
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