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Broetchenholer
Germany1849 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10026 Posts
On October 28 2020 03:07 Broetchenholer wrote: I need to see if I can game the system. I know I'd get banned if I would post this, so I won't post this. Will I now get banned for hypothetical martyring? For science! Alright Seeker, send him out the airlock. I didn't realize the extent of what actually happens in the political thread until I started reading through and joining the discussion. Some... interesting folks in there to say the least. EDIT: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH nice work Tofucake Broetchenholer was just temp banned for 2 days by tofucake. That account was created on 2011-03-08 02:02:47 and had 1336 posts. Reason: When you say you're going to do a thing and then do it, we know you've done it. | ||
Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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farvacola
United States18818 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10026 Posts
On October 28 2020 03:39 farvacola wrote: Based on my just under 10 years of observation, martyring and posting like an advertising bot are the two most consistent ways to get banned. Or being a PBU. Also balance whining. Very easy to earn yourself a ban, as I've been banned a couple times for that. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland23783 Posts
On October 28 2020 00:49 micronesia wrote: I think the more serious discussion has been whether to stick to status quo or go back to the early days policy of no political discussions. If the latter is selected, the politics threads get closed... we don't actually need to ban everyone in those threads... as cathartic as that might be. Plz no, the TL politics threads are about all the politics discussion I can handle on the internets and I’ve learned a lot from them, personally anyway. As per recent bans if Nettles would actually engage instead of just dumping some link or his take for the day that would be nice. Instead it’s a monologue and into the sunset until the next one. I know his sources are more transgressive of the threads rules but it’s that habit that is the truly infuriating one. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17835 Posts
On October 28 2020 03:40 FlaShFTW wrote: Or being a PBU. Also balance whining. Very easy to earn yourself a ban, as I've been banned a couple times for that. But being a PBU cannot, by definition, be your original sin. It's just a way to keep the banned people banned. Also, you can generally hide balance whining. Martyring is plain as day and consistently gets you banned. Even ad bots are getting better at hiding. When will martyrs catch on?! | ||
Biff The Understudy
France7805 Posts
On October 28 2020 03:37 FlaShFTW wrote: Alright Seeker, send him out the airlock. I didn't realize the extent of what actually happens in the political thread until I started reading through and joining the discussion. Some... interesting folks in there to say the least. EDIT: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH nice work Tofucake "Send him out the airlock" 🤣🤣🤣 Line of the year. | ||
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 28 2020 03:00 farvacola wrote: Sorta, though it fits with the trend of right-leaning posters breaking well-known rules while complaining that right-leaning posters keep getting banned or treated unfairly. When the rules weren't sufficient, they made a subjective rule. But see previous discussion on complaints that the rules are only strictly enforced against right-leaning posters, and considerable leeway is granted to left-leaning posters. This goes back several years. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10026 Posts
On October 28 2020 04:08 Biff The Understudy wrote: "Send him out the airlock" 🤣🤣🤣 Line of the year. Among us has given us so many great memes this year, Game of the Year easily. Thank god for small indie games making it big. | ||
Biff The Understudy
France7805 Posts
On October 28 2020 04:18 FlaShFTW wrote: Among us has given us so many great memes this year, Game of the Year easily. Thank god for small indie games making it big. Oooh, I had it as a Battlestar Galactica quote, with Edward Olmos voice 😁 | ||
brian
United States9610 Posts
On October 28 2020 04:15 Danglars wrote: When the rules weren't sufficient, they made a subjective rule. But see previous discussion on complaints that the rules are only strictly enforced against right-leaning posters, and considerable leeway is granted to left-leaning posters. This goes back several years. non right leaning STAFF have been actioned for this exact same reason. the rule is not subjective, there is no interpretive leeway in ‘your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source..’ you may think its enforcement is, but more than a few lefties have been hit with it as well. this is just confirmation bias. which isn’t to mention how extremely flagrant this particular example is. idk Farva clearly had this pegged and you are making his case for him. | ||
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 28 2020 04:46 brian wrote: non right leaning STAFF have been actioned for this exact same reason. the rule is not subjective, there is no interpretive leeway in ‘your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source..’ you may think its enforcement is, but more than a few lefties have been hit with it as well. this is just confirmation bias. which isn’t to mention how extremely flagrant this particular example is. idk Farva clearly had this pegged and you are making his case for him. Sorry, this is a broader subject than just the latest ban ... hence people talk about "trends." So it absolutely must include the multiple subjective bans, and past mod actions. I've eaten two of those subjective ones that don't violate stated rules, one for around three-four months and another for around 1-2 months. You're making my point for me, since you bring up "your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source" as if that's an actual example of selective rule enforcement that right-leaning posters have made time and time again in this thread. The fact that TL has been unable or unwilling to recruit right-wing or right-leaning mods to the forum thread is an obvious failure on their part. It would be much better every time they trot out the "don't worry, discussions took place behind closed doors, and we decided overwhelmingly on the following action" if there were 3+ McCain or Romney or Trump voters offering their perspective on the staff forums. There aren't. This is TL's house, they can choose to have a bunch of left-wingers (American perspective) moderate a politics thread, and try their best. Given the longevity of these series of threads, it would behoove them to recruit some more people to the right of Falling to assist Seeker in adjudicating matters in just this thread. The best posters were banned, stopped posting regularly, or stopped posting at all. This was not a recent phenomenon, and recent bans don't really fit the past trend. From the moderator perspective, the amount of effort it would take to bring back the clutZs and oBlades of older times (and make sure new recruits stay) is rather easy. Just recruit some ideological diversity and assign them to the only thread that really lacks it and needs it. The leftwing shitposters don't get a partial free pass, and the conservative posters know they have the same fair line at what constitutes an unacceptable post. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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tofucake
Hyrule18969 Posts
"It's easy, just get some conservative mods" is wrong. It's not easy. It's not easy to get any new mod, much less a conservative mod with a focus on US Pol. | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9342 Posts
On October 28 2020 05:30 Danglars wrote: Sorry, this is a broader subject than just the latest ban ... hence people talk about "trends." So it absolutely must include the multiple subjective bans, and past mod actions. I've eaten two of those subjective ones that don't violate stated rules, one for around three-four months and another for around 1-2 months. You're making my point for me, since you bring up "your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source" as if that's an actual example of selective rule enforcement that right-leaning posters have made time and time again in this thread. The fact that TL has been unable or unwilling to recruit right-wing or right-leaning mods to the forum thread is an obvious failure on their part. It would be much better every time they trot out the "don't worry, discussions took place behind closed doors, and we decided overwhelmingly on the following action" if there were 3+ McCain or Romney or Trump voters offering their perspective on the staff forums. There aren't. This is TL's house, they can choose to have a bunch of left-wingers (American perspective) moderate a politics thread, and try their best. Given the longevity of these series of threads, it would behoove them to recruit some more people to the right of Falling to assist Seeker in adjudicating matters in just this thread. The best posters were banned, stopped posting regularly, or stopped posting at all. This was not a recent phenomenon, and recent bans don't really fit the past trend. From the moderator perspective, the amount of effort it would take to bring back the clutZs and oBlades of older times (and make sure new recruits stay) is rather easy. Just recruit some ideological diversity and assign them to the only thread that really lacks it and needs it. The leftwing shitposters don't get a partial free pass, and the conservative posters know they have the same fair line at what constitutes an unacceptable post. Are you saying that if people are going to decide on something that affects everyone, they should reflect the makeup of of the people they are deciding for? | ||
Biff The Understudy
France7805 Posts
It happens that many of the team Trump folks happen to shitpost A LOT, and that this forum is international - and american right wing is kinda fringe internationally. You don't get 50/50 because many, many posters are from Europe and very few europeans align in any way with american conservatives and Trump in particular. Good posters don't get banned, conservative or not. Argue in good faith and be civil, and no one will take you down. | ||
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 28 2020 05:43 tofucake wrote: The main problem with that is that we have a policy of not moderating threads we are active in. Finding someone who cares enough to keep up with all the posts and moderate the thread without relying on reports (which still requires reading a bunch of the thread to get context even if not closely following the thread) who will also not participate is hard enough. Add in that report statistics are a big part of deciding if we should make someone a mod, and the habit of most posts in US Pol being reported because "they disagreed with me", we end up with a lot of terrible report statistics on the people who follow the thread. Also there are fewer US conservatives (pretty much all US posters are EU conservative so there you go) on TL in general. "It's easy, just get some conservative mods" is wrong. It's not easy. It's not easy to get any new mod, much less a conservative mod with a focus on US Pol. I suppose if report statistics is the "big part" of deciding, then yes, it wouldn't be as easy as you describe. | ||
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KwarK
United States41965 Posts
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brian
United States9610 Posts
On October 28 2020 05:30 Danglars wrote: You're making my point for me, since you bring up "your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source" as if that's an actual example of selective rule enforcement that right-leaning posters have made time and time again in this thread. I’m not going to engage with the rest of your post because that actually IS subjective and I would give you your interpretation as i expect you’ll give me mine. but what are you saying here? you claimed that rule was subjective, and i am stating it is not. rather, the enforcement of might be, and that i won’t argue with you. I do think it is ridiculously clear that this is not a case of selective enforcement, but I won’t argue anything about a broader trend. I think in some instances the argument has merit, and I think in this instance it is very clearly not. | ||
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