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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
Also, (at least for us), matches went off without a hitch, which was nice. | ||
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hpty603
United States262 Posts
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TehV747
180 Posts
On December 18 2012 05:35 JiYan wrote: We were the first ones to send an email specifically saying anytime other than the weekend. Why would you read that and pretend to be accommodating by telling us to choose a day on the weekend when we said over a week ago anytime BUT the weekend? mona told us to arrange a time to play on monday so i thought it would be all good. it makes no sense for mona to allow us to play monday and have us already be forfeited by sunday. it makes no sense. and youre saying its impossible for your guy to play because he already left for home, and you didnt want to tell us that when we emailed both you and the league about rescheduling to monday? my partner and i have been online btw since noon. he signed off since your guys werent on. but i told him to be on tonight at 7pm (pst) to try and catch you guys then. Ok so what i get is that you couldnt play on the weekend and they couldnt play on the weekdays. I can see that Riverside finished its exam period on the 14th but Rutgers continues until the 21st. Since you couldnt play on the weekend you asked if you could reschedule, and Rutgers gave you the times that they could play. None of those worked for you, you contacted admin whose reply was to pick a time for monday. However you never replied for a time to either the admin or to rutgers, and thus the match was to be played at default time. So it seems like you guys made a mistake on your end, not informing any party of the time for which you wanted to play on monday and thus the match had to be called a forfeit as CSL couldnt wait indefinitely for a reply. When there is no communication these misunderstandings occur, but as it seems like the lack of communication was from your end i see no reason why you all trying to fight this case and calling Rutgers a BM university. Please let me know if i made any mistakes here. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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CollegiateStarleague
United States577 Posts
We received no correspondence from either team for 4 days. Although the email was a group email, it was UCR who specially requested this time and did not follow up. There's no reason why UCR should have expected Rutgers to know if and/or when to play on Monday when neither team responded as to whether they found the reschedule acceptable. It seems to be a bad case of miscommunication and we're sorry it turned out this way. UCR vs. Rutgers would be a great match. Their 2v2 team has expressed that they will try to make the time later tonight, but either way, the Rutgers students are well within their rights to claim a forfeit win. | ||
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TehV747
180 Posts
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TyrionSC2
United States411 Posts
Pitt contacted the coordinator of another school ahead of time and asked to reschedule specific matches. The coordinator accepted. The player of the other school did not accept, and emailed the csl admin that both parties agreed to a walk over which was a lie backed up by chat log screenshots. The csl admin gave a walk over to that school when there was proof that they agreed to a reschedule and wanted to reschedule. Pitt lost for this reason and only this reason. The league is so pathetic this year. Such a joke. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On December 18 2012 13:27 TyrionSC2 wrote: What I don't understand is why CSL wants to have their playoffs decided by walkovers.... The league is so pathetic this year. Meh. CSL needs to fix a lot but assuming UCR was the team that needed to reschedule, if they didn't ask for a specific time or anything and nothing was agreed on, it doesn't seem unreasonable. Edit: Still hoping to figure out how the prizes are supposed to work with 2 playoff divisions (and an mia Asia) Will payout to Ro16 for Europe and USA get 500$, etc. down to grand finals? Or will it be something like Ro16 = Ro8 US/EU (doesn't seem right considering proportions of entered teams), Ro8 = Ro4 US/EU, and Ro4 = Ro2 US/EU, but then how do you determine third place match? So confusing >.< | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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TylerThaCreator
United States906 Posts
On December 19 2012 09:53 JiYan wrote: lesson for all schools - always take your forfeit wins. it doesnt matter if there is a chance to actually play starcraft, because it is not about starcraft it is about finding ways not to play starcraft. well you certainly sound incredibly bitter over people following rules. it's like you've never heard of a person taking a walkover before. | ||
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applepielon
United States78 Posts
I play on CSL and had a simple suggestion. Drastically decrease the prize pool, and spend the money on improving the league elsewhere. Like, web development, helping cosponsor LANs, whatever. I don't think most people involved in the CSL do it for the prize pool, so it seems like a pretty wasted incentive. And given that most people watch the CSL to follow their school, even if this prize pool did encourage a very few teams to practice harder and thus show marginally better games, it isn't as though that would help CSL get substantially more viewership or involvement anyways. I know it's a trope in Starcraft 2 tourneys that the prize pool is why you play, but that really is not the case in college team competitions -- you play in order to win for your school. So it seems lie a pretty big mis-allocation of resources which sort of ignores the fact that this is the Collegiate Starleague, not just any league." e: Also I'm curious what percentage of playoff games were decided by walkovers/substitutions. Not necessarily CSL's fault if people aren't prioritizing making match times though. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On December 19 2012 11:40 applepielon wrote: From an email I sent: "Hey, I play on CSL and had a simple suggestion. Drastically decrease the prize pool, and spend the money on improving the league elsewhere. Like, web development, helping cosponsor LANs, whatever. I don't think most people involved in the CSL do it for the prize pool, so it seems like a pretty wasted incentive. And given that most people watch the CSL to follow their school, even if this prize pool did encourage a very few teams to practice harder and thus show marginally better games, it isn't as though that would help CSL get substantially more viewership or involvement anyways. I know it's a trope in Starcraft 2 tourneys that the prize pool is why you play, but that really is not the case in college team competitions -- you play in order to win for your school. So it seems lie a pretty big mis-allocation of resources which sort of ignores the fact that this is the Collegiate Starleague, not just any league." e: Also I'm curious what percentage of playoff games were decided by walkovers/substitutions. Not necessarily CSL's fault if people aren't prioritizing making match times though. I think the large prize pool is due to sponsors/growth on the corporate side and getting a name really. I'm still a much bigger fan of taking some off the top and making it like 20K,15K,10K,5K, and then splitting the remaining 25K to make Ro8 and Ro16 have better prizes, so that more people "benefit." Would seem more community-y with more people getting a meaningful prize than lumping half of it with first place. This isn't GSL, and college kids don't need 6k a piece from SC2 (although it'd be nice). That's another decent idea though. It couldn't take a lot to dedicate some time to developing the website. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
 Also. Afaik, this is the 2nd season in a row UCR has had issues like this in the playoffs. Not trying to point fingers or anything here, but you all know the schedule months in advance, make sure your team can play at the set time and you won't have problems. It's literally as simple as that. I played 3 seasons of CSL and been a coordinator. I've never once had a problem having my teams show up, or showing up on time myself to play matches. Players can hardly blame the league if their teams or other players don't prioritize the matches. There have been many problems with the league this season, but please at least be fair with what you do or don't blame on the league. Players not showing up on time is not the fault of the league. Things that are our fault we will be fixing and working hard to make sure next season is awesome! | ||
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Jombozeus
China1014 Posts
On December 19 2012 09:53 JiYan wrote: lesson for all schools - always take your forfeit wins. it doesnt matter if there is a chance to actually play starcraft, because it is not about starcraft it is about finding ways not to play starcraft. UCSD here rolling on the floor laughing at the irony of the situation. We already learned that from you guys last season but alas CSL rules GOTTA BE FOLLOWED. ps. yes I'm joking. | ||
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Polar_Nada
United States1548 Posts
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Bargak
United States5 Posts
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clm100
United States18 Posts
On December 19 2012 17:52 Xeris wrote: Not trying to point fingers or anything here, but you all know the schedule months in advance, make sure your team can play at the set time and you won't have problems. It's literally as simple as that. I played 3 seasons of CSL and been a coordinator. I've never once had a problem having my teams show up, or showing up on time myself to play matches. Players can hardly blame the league if their teams or other players don't prioritize the matches. There have been many problems with the league this season, but please at least be fair with what you do or don't blame on the league. Players not showing up on time is not the fault of the league. Things that are our fault we will be fixing and working hard to make sure next season is awesome! I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. I would have agreed last year, but this year, nope. The league has changed schedules repeatedly this season, including THE ENTIRE FORMAT, AFTER IT WAS SUPPOSED TO START. You CANNOT claim that teams had months of advance notice, or that they aren't prioritizing a tournament that is changing its schedule, rushing, and putting the playoffs in the middle of most school's exams, with little flexibility or accommodation. Should teams still be able to make matches? Yes, of course. Does that make it solely the teams fault? Absolutely not. | ||
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steelcurtain09
United States87 Posts
On December 19 2012 17:52 Xeris wrote: Don't worry everyone, we are working on people's suggestions! Also. Afaik, this is the 2nd season in a row UCR has had issues like this in the playoffs. Not trying to point fingers or anything here, but you all know the schedule months in advance, make sure your team can play at the set time and you won't have problems. It's literally as simple as that. I played 3 seasons of CSL and been a coordinator. I've never once had a problem having my teams show up, or showing up on time myself to play matches. Players can hardly blame the league if their teams or other players don't prioritize the matches. There have been many problems with the league this season, but please at least be fair with what you do or don't blame on the league. Players not showing up on time is not the fault of the league. Things that are our fault we will be fixing and working hard to make sure next season is awesome! So things like scheduling playoffs during finals week won't happen again? Cuz I seem to remember you having matches played during finals last year. And though I wasn't there, I'm pretty sure you did the same thing the year before that. I feel like this has been complained about every year and still you let it happen. You might not think it's a big deal, but there is no way I will ever prioritize Starcraft over my grades which will end up affecting my life. We absolutely can blame the league for putting our players in the situation of having to choose between practicing and studying as their priorities. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On December 20 2012 12:54 steelcurtain09 wrote: So things like scheduling playoffs during finals week won't happen again? Cuz I seem to remember you having matches played during finals last year. And though I wasn't there, I'm pretty sure you did the same thing the year before that. I feel like this has been complained about every year and still you let it happen. You might not think it's a big deal, but there is no way I will ever prioritize Starcraft over my grades which will end up affecting my life. We absolutely can blame the league for putting our players in the situation of having to choose between practicing and studying as their priorities. I don't believe I said anything about not scheduling matches during finals - generally speaking it's pretty unavoidable. Either the season has to finish way before finals, or during summer. Whether we do 2 seasons in a year or 1, we won't be able to avoid every big date for school. | ||
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
On December 19 2012 19:56 Polar_Nada wrote: i know this is way off topic, but I was wondering if we have another csl season this year? This is my senior year, and im not sure whether to practice anymore, since ill be graduating and going to a no name grad school. it's been stated numerous times that there will be another season this year. the point of a shorter season was to have 2 season in a year. | ||
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