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Hello, all!
It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.
Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.
Thanks,
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On May 08 2011 21:39 SushilS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 06:50 Kyhol wrote:
How the fuck can anyone be a fan of this guy? Being stupidly outspoken on the internet is a great way to have fans cos there are a lotta suppressed people out there who try to live there lives out on internet forums and therefore tend to support the guy who says things that they wish they could say to their bosses, wives, etc in real life! Its a Freud thing, brah...
Cool explanation. I never thought of that.
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threads with idra in the title grow faster then the speed of sound (keeping it realistic here)
Well while usually dont mind idra breaking a rule or 2, asking people to harras moderaters is an overkill which probably deserves a ban
+ Show Spoiler + TL.net Bot TL.net. May 08 2011 07:16. Posts 8 PM Profile Quote #
Julian Olynick was just banned by Chill.
That account was created on 2011-05-08 06:53:12 and had 0 posts.
Reason: From: Julian Olynick [ 0 posts | Profile | Buddy | User Info | Report ]
Subject: You are so fucking stupid
Date: 5/8/11 07:00
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WHY WOULD YOU BAN IDRA FOR SAYING SOMETHING TRUE???! Chruncher sucks and he does not deserve his winz... He is a toss player... Please kindly L2moderate
TL.net Bot TL.net. May 08 2011 07:17. Posts 8 PM Profile Quote #
Arijevska was just temp banned for 1 week by Kennigit.
That account was created on 2011-02-10 07:18:41 and had 8 posts.
Reason: Spreading misinformation - EG and TL have a very good relationship. Idra's behaviour is a completely separate issue
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hyphydragon1 was just banned by Chill.
That account was created on 2011-05-08 07:04:43 and had 0 posts.
Reason: From: hyphydragon1 [ 0 posts | Profile | Buddy | User Info | Report ]
Subject: good job
Date: 5/8/11 07:10
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you're a bitch crying Canadian faggot, crying until idra is banned for 90 days.. can you be anymore of a faggot? can you cry any harder? you definitely mad
nvm that Definetly deserves a ban, whats up with the hate against chill?
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When does he(or any "special contributor to the community") deserve a perma ban btw? Under what circumstances? Do they ever get perma banned?
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Saw this in the Automated Ban List thread and quickly rushed all over TL in search of what must be an entertaining thread. I'll now sit and read all 66 pages.
My opinion on the ban is it's worth it. I just wish IdrA would stop being dumb though. He doesn't have to go that far to attract fans and at this point him being a dick to TL staff only hurts the fans because it prevents interaction here on TL. Hope he won't stop streaming and I hope people don't try and make him into a martyr. IdrA's gotten away with a ton of stuff on TL that normal posters wouldn't have for far too long. Sucks but I won't argue about it.
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This is very ridiculous, we are in esports because of our personalities that set us apart from other communities. Clearly Idra was just messing around and this is being blown way out of proportion. The day that our community starts taking itself too seriously and losing its heart and comradeship between like minded players is the day it dies. When things like this arise it points towards bigger issues: things now are going more and more towards sponsorships and how much money is behind a tournament and I feel it is taking away from getting to know the players true feelings about things because they have to put on an artificial front to their fans. Idra is Idra at all times, that is why he will always be a hero to the true starcraft community, there is no fakeness here. Once people start trying to get too professional and lose their true demeanor that makes our community fun and gives interesting story lines we will just be like Halo and I sir would rather be killed.
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On May 08 2011 21:37 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 21:36 sLiMpoweR wrote:On May 08 2011 21:33 zeru wrote:On May 08 2011 21:31 HolyArrow wrote:On May 08 2011 21:28 Gokey wrote:On May 08 2011 21:22 Mycl wrote:On May 08 2011 21:19 Gokey wrote:On May 08 2011 21:09 damod wrote:On May 08 2011 21:04 Gokey wrote:
The past week has really shown Idra's true colors... He is an immature kid who thinks he can get away with trash talking everyone and whining about everything just because he is decently skilled at a game.
I thought it was funny in the past when he would get mad in games and it made for good drama. But he really made things personal and incisive as time went on, with inflammatory verbal abuse to his lesser known opponents.
Idra is nothing but an internet bully. Good riddance, at least for 90 days. the funny thing is that your comment is a very good example of an immature and childish behaviour, describing him based on his action does not make you better than him one bit. and if reaching code S in GSL, winning first place MLG dallas and IPL means you are "decently skilled", you are obviously know nothing about how much skilled he is. If a person isn't defined by his actions, what is he defined by? And please explain how "describing him based on his action" makes my post "immature and childish"? I think he was referring to your not to subtle jab at Idra saying 'decently skilled at the game'. Passive aggressive people are the most childish. Just be like all the anti-fans and call him bad So my view of his skill level makes me passive aggressive? Generally, skill levels are pretty objective and if you only think he's "decently skilled", you're willfully downplaying his skill out of negative bias toward him, which could be described as immature, I suppose. I'm not really a fan of how IdrA acts either, nor am I a Zerg player, but there's no denying that he's actually very damn good. Which is probably why people interpreted you calling him "decently skilled" as being passive-aggressive. It depends how the tiers of skill are set up. If we say nestea is amazing, losira is pretty good, july is good, then i would say idra is decently skilled. It's not passive aggressive in any way. I dont think u can say idra is any better or worse then any of those 3 players. Out of the 3 only nestea has actually won gsl. It's opinion based, no matter what.
Its really not opinion based. Its based on performance. You might have an opinion but thats doesn't make it right. Ultimately the only thing you can do is compare stats. Each player has pros and cons. Each of the players has a different style. SO you can form an opinion but my original statement that you cant say any of those players are better or worse then idra is ultimately correct.
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On May 08 2011 21:39 SushilS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 06:50 Kyhol wrote:
How the fuck can anyone be a fan of this guy? Being stupidly outspoken on the internet is a great way to have fans cos there are a lotta suppressed people out there who try to live there lives out on internet forums and therefore tend to support the guy who says things that they wish they could say to their bosses, wives, etc in real life! Its a Freud thing, brah... IdrA grow up seriously.
Sort of. That's more like Kyhol calling IdrA a f***ot in a post on desrow's blog and being smiles and politeness elsewhere. People are a fan of his skill, the fact he is honest and himself and for the most part his fans (not his fanboys, but his fans) will readily admit when he steps over a line and screw up.
Being his fan doesn't mean agreeing with or supporting everything he does.
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On May 08 2011 21:41 L3g3nd_ wrote:
He said "PM chill if this upsets you" i realise that he shouldnt be doing this, but idk 90days is so long. i guess if he says he doesnt regret it etc and wont change that influences it, but ill miss his posts
Even if he didn't directly say it, he should know he was inviting people to troll the shit out of Chill.
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So will somone answer my question ? Can Idra log in and put his stream on the list or not ?
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On May 08 2011 21:45 Butcherski wrote:
So will somone answer my question ? Can Idra log in and put his stream on the list or not ?
From the quotes I've seen from the mods. Yes he can
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If you really wanted to teach him a lesson take his stream off TL site, he will lose a lot of money in add revenue.
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On May 08 2011 21:44 kealo wrote:
This is very ridiculous, we are in esports because of our personalities that set us apart from other communities. Clearly Idra was just messing around and this is being blown way out of proportion. The day that our community starts taking itself too seriously and losing its heart and comradeship between like minded players is the day it dies. When things like this arise it points towards bigger issues: things now are going more and more towards sponsorships and how much money is behind a tournament and I feel it is taking away from getting to know the players true feelings about things because they have to put on an artificial front to their fans. Idra is Idra at all times, that is why he will always be a hero to the true starcraft community, there is no fakeness here. Once people start trying to get too professional and lose their true demeanor that makes our community fun and gives interesting story lines we will just be like Halo and I sir would rather be killed.
I bolded the parts of your post that I thought was ridiculous. I think it's you that's blowing the situation out of proportion.
Since when was IdrA a hero?
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On May 08 2011 08:44 teve wrote:
I think it's pretty sad how Cruncher was able to so blatantly BM Idra in the third set of their game in the TeamLiquid Star League, and mock Idra's fans in his fan club, without receiving any sort of punishment. While Idra gets crucified for saying that "he's a waste of life".
It's quite hypocritical to take such an aggressive stance against one of the two parties. I realize that Idra has received a lot of warnings already, if not too many, but how is this in any way fair? I hardly believe Cruncher took Idras remark very seriously, I bet you if anything he laughed and felt sorry for Idra.
This is the internet, people don't get hurt by forum posts. What's the point of making this forum a safe haven for insults?
Cruncher typed " " in the third game after Idra repeatedly provoked him in the game lobby after each game by saying things like "Boy it must suck when skill matters". Not sure if I would call that a "blatant BM" or something that warrants a punishment.
And for those of you saying this forum is biased against Idra, any "normal" member would have been permanently banned a long time ago no matter what his post count is.
By bringing up the "this is the internetz" argument, you're saying that people can basically post whatever they want on the forum and I don't think most of us would like to see this forum turning into one full of trolls and trash posts.
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On May 08 2011 21:22 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 21:19 DamAnus wrote:
Banning him for 90 days when he was streaming with commentary... Seriously that decision is just against the community and not for. As always you should ban the retarded bronze on sc2Strategy instead of pro players who have a nice stream and 10k viewers. Or they should ban posters who choose not to read any posts before they reply ^^ The ban does not influence his streaming in any way as already explained much more often than I can count. He can still stream if he chooses to do so
Idra stopped stream because of this ban. he said it (so the ban influence his stream (idiot))
User was warned for this post
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On May 08 2011 06:51 diverzee wrote:
Ridiculous way of enforcing something bad just out of spite. This is not national law, it's just a forum. Would be way better to actually think of the fans and at least stick to the original 2 days.
User was warned for this post
I agree maybe he should be banned for a bit more than 2 days but not 90 f**king days seriously
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I guess he kinda deserved it but really the only thing this will affect is us as a community. He probably won't stream as much and we as fans won't get too see as much. After 90 days has passed he will still be here trolling again and nothing will have changed except we missed out on lots of streamfun.
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On May 08 2011 21:48 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 21:44 sLiMpoweR wrote:On May 08 2011 21:37 zeru wrote:On May 08 2011 21:36 sLiMpoweR wrote:On May 08 2011 21:33 zeru wrote:On May 08 2011 21:31 HolyArrow wrote:On May 08 2011 21:28 Gokey wrote:On May 08 2011 21:22 Mycl wrote:On May 08 2011 21:19 Gokey wrote:On May 08 2011 21:09 damod wrote:
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the funny thing is that your comment is a very good example of an immature and childish behaviour, describing him based on his action does not make you better than him one bit.
and if reaching code S in GSL, winning first place MLG dallas and IPL means you are "decently skilled", you are obviously know nothing about how much skilled he is. If a person isn't defined by his actions, what is he defined by? And please explain how "describing him based on his action" makes my post "immature and childish"? I think he was referring to your not to subtle jab at Idra saying 'decently skilled at the game'. Passive aggressive people are the most childish. Just be like all the anti-fans and call him bad So my view of his skill level makes me passive aggressive? Generally, skill levels are pretty objective and if you only think he's "decently skilled", you're willfully downplaying his skill out of negative bias toward him, which could be described as immature, I suppose. I'm not really a fan of how IdrA acts either, nor am I a Zerg player, but there's no denying that he's actually very damn good. Which is probably why people interpreted you calling him "decently skilled" as being passive-aggressive. It depends how the tiers of skill are set up. If we say nestea is amazing, losira is pretty good, july is good, then i would say idra is decently skilled. It's not passive aggressive in any way. I dont think u can say idra is any better or worse then any of those 3 players. Out of the 3 only nestea has actually won gsl. It's opinion based, no matter what. Its really not opinion based. Its based on performance. You might have an opinion but thats doesn't make it right. Ultimately the only thing you can do is compare stats. Each player has pros and cons. Each of the players has a different style. SO you can form an opinion but my original statement that you cant say any of those players are better or worse then idra is ultimately correct. Not only performance, which is why it's always opinion based. I think bomber is the best terran in the world, but based on performance he has only won a code A and other code S terrans including MKP except for MVP are way worse than him.
See you did it again. YOU think bomber is the best, but whatever you think, MVP has the most GOM points, has much more experience and is overall the better player statistically. I mean your totally basing your opinion on one bo7 you saw the other night. Its not grounded in reality, its just a fancy you feel. But either way im done with this convo since its sorta off track now ^_^ good day sir 
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Are you kidding, sponsors love all this attention, IdrA knows exactly what he's doing when he does this, he's just a massive troll. If anything I think the ban actually encourages his behaviour, ignoring it would seem to be the better route.
Of course, you have to ban any idiot who goes, "herp derp idra said harass chill, so I'll do that," but that's even better, any fan who blindly follows the lead of an SC2 pro into harassing someone isn't really a quality forum member, and IdrA is just doing a good job weeding them out.
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On May 08 2011 21:44 kealo wrote:
This is very ridiculous, we are in esports because of our personalities that set us apart from other communities. Clearly Idra was just messing around and this is being blown way out of proportion. The day that our community starts taking itself too seriously and losing its heart and comradeship between like minded players is the day it dies. When things like this arise it points towards bigger issues: things now are going more and more towards sponsorships and how much money is behind a tournament and I feel it is taking away from getting to know the players true feelings about things because they have to put on an artificial front to their fans. Idra is Idra at all times, that is why he will always be a hero to the true starcraft community, there is no fakeness here. Once people start trying to get too professional and lose their true demeanor that makes our community fun and gives interesting story lines we will just be like Halo and I sir would rather be killed.
you have zero clue what you are talking about. TL handles stuff like this since 10 years.
if you are a important part of the community you get special more lax treatment. but for evryone there is a line and TL knows very well where that line is. if you cross it then no matter who you are you get punished for it.
thats how you run a forum of high quality.thats how they run the biggest and most succesful starcraft site in the world which alone kept broodwar alive outside of korea.
and its not about beeing professional. its about following the most basic rules of conversation in a forum. i like idra and am sad hes banned. but TL did the right thing since he went too far, got a tiny punishment and then went WAY too far with his reaction.
think about it for a second from the pov of running a forum. if you dont see how its expected,correct and needed to handle this like they did then i question your judgement.
On May 08 2011 21:52 ProGear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 06:51 diverzee wrote:
Ridiculous way of enforcing something bad just out of spite. This is not national law, it's just a forum. Would be way better to actually think of the fans and at least stick to the original 2 days.
User was warned for this post I agree maybe he should be banned for a bit more than 2 days but not 90 f**king days seriously
his own fault. "lesser" users wouldve gotten permbanned long ago. he basicly said "fu i dont care" so he got 90days. and really thats 3 months. whoopdidoo. not a big deal.
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