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Hello, all!
It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.
Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.
Thanks,
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On May 08 2011 21:50 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 08:44 teve wrote:
I think it's pretty sad how Cruncher was able to so blatantly BM Idra in the third set of their game in the TeamLiquid Star League, and mock Idra's fans in his fan club, without receiving any sort of punishment. While Idra gets crucified for saying that "he's a waste of life".
It's quite hypocritical to take such an aggressive stance against one of the two parties. I realize that Idra has received a lot of warnings already, if not too many, but how is this in any way fair? I hardly believe Cruncher took Idras remark very seriously, I bet you if anything he laughed and felt sorry for Idra.
This is the internet, people don't get hurt by forum posts. What's the point of making this forum a safe haven for insults?
Cruncher typed "  " in the third game after Idra repeatedly provoked him in the game lobby after each game by saying things like "Boy it must suck when skill matters". No need to lie to get your point across.
User was warned for this post
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On May 08 2011 21:52 DamAnus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 21:22 clusen wrote:On May 08 2011 21:19 DamAnus wrote:
Banning him for 90 days when he was streaming with commentary... Seriously that decision is just against the community and not for. As always you should ban the retarded bronze on sc2Strategy instead of pro players who have a nice stream and 10k viewers. Or they should ban posters who choose not to read any posts before they reply ^^ The ban does not influence his streaming in any way as already explained much more often than I can count. He can still stream if he chooses to do so Idra stopped stream because of this ban. he said it (so the ban influence his stream (idiot))
Idra stopped streaming because he was upset about his ban. It was his own choice and that is what the poster you're replying to is saying. Being banned in a forum does not prohibit someone from streaming on justin.tv.
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Good Decision TL, keep up the good work!
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On May 08 2011 20:32 Butcherski wrote:
Sad day for the TL community. And i dont mean that TL itself will loose visitors/ ad money etc. I mean the people taht make up the community. When you have a plaethora of troll mods/staff/ex-staff who can get away with anything they say, then ban temp Idra for saying something mildly offensive in his own stream thread.
You just took away Idra streaming with commentary for atleast 20-30k people. All out of spite. Yeah you can hide behind the "rules" but everyone knows whats the relationship between Idra and TL mods. Any chance he gets he will speak his mind and mods just wait for the opportunity to ban him. And who looses ? The community. GG tl
this+1. altho i dont blame tl for its decision. but please can we find a way to peacefully solve all this sh!t?? =_= in the end of the day the community itself is the biggest loser.
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On May 08 2011 21:55 Skamtet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 21:50 Sein wrote:On May 08 2011 08:44 teve wrote:
I think it's pretty sad how Cruncher was able to so blatantly BM Idra in the third set of their game in the TeamLiquid Star League, and mock Idra's fans in his fan club, without receiving any sort of punishment. While Idra gets crucified for saying that "he's a waste of life".
It's quite hypocritical to take such an aggressive stance against one of the two parties. I realize that Idra has received a lot of warnings already, if not too many, but how is this in any way fair? I hardly believe Cruncher took Idras remark very seriously, I bet you if anything he laughed and felt sorry for Idra.
This is the internet, people don't get hurt by forum posts. What's the point of making this forum a safe haven for insults?
Cruncher typed " " in the third game after Idra repeatedly provoked him in the game lobby after each game by saying things like "Boy it must suck when skill matters". No need to lie to get your point across.
http://gyazo.com/ef7f840318e3e68c3afb67a55ca70b75.png
http://gyazo.com/c7dff7b0936149ebfccea7c37acdd705.png
No need to incorrectly call someone a liar when you aren't fully informed.
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On May 08 2011 22:00 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 20:32 Butcherski wrote:
Sad day for the TL community. And i dont mean that TL itself will loose visitors/ ad money etc. I mean the people taht make up the community. When you have a plaethora of troll mods/staff/ex-staff who can get away with anything they say, then ban temp Idra for saying something mildly offensive in his own stream thread.
You just took away Idra streaming with commentary for atleast 20-30k people. All out of spite. Yeah you can hide behind the "rules" but everyone knows whats the relationship between Idra and TL mods. Any chance he gets he will speak his mind and mods just wait for the opportunity to ban him. And who looses ? The community. GG tl this+1. altho i dont blame tl for its decision. but please can we find a way to peacefully solve all this sh!t?? =_= in the end of the day the community itself is the biggest loser.
Except IdrA's stream hasn't been banned, he's just choosing not to stream, which isn't TL's fault.
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On May 08 2011 22:00 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 20:32 Butcherski wrote:
Sad day for the TL community. And i dont mean that TL itself will loose visitors/ ad money etc. I mean the people taht make up the community. When you have a plaethora of troll mods/staff/ex-staff who can get away with anything they say, then ban temp Idra for saying something mildly offensive in his own stream thread.
You just took away Idra streaming with commentary for atleast 20-30k people. All out of spite. Yeah you can hide behind the "rules" but everyone knows whats the relationship between Idra and TL mods. Any chance he gets he will speak his mind and mods just wait for the opportunity to ban him. And who looses ? The community. GG tl this+1. altho i dont blame tl for its decision. but please can we find a way to peacefully solve all this sh!t?? =_= in the end of the day the community itself is the biggest loser.
why? he can still stream.
what exactly do we lose out on? a few posts he wouldve written in that 90 days? does that really affect anyone outside of the weird super hardcore fanboys that get joygasms when they see him post?
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On May 08 2011 22:02 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 21:55 Skamtet wrote:On May 08 2011 21:50 Sein wrote:On May 08 2011 08:44 teve wrote:
I think it's pretty sad how Cruncher was able to so blatantly BM Idra in the third set of their game in the TeamLiquid Star League, and mock Idra's fans in his fan club, without receiving any sort of punishment. While Idra gets crucified for saying that "he's a waste of life".
It's quite hypocritical to take such an aggressive stance against one of the two parties. I realize that Idra has received a lot of warnings already, if not too many, but how is this in any way fair? I hardly believe Cruncher took Idras remark very seriously, I bet you if anything he laughed and felt sorry for Idra.
This is the internet, people don't get hurt by forum posts. What's the point of making this forum a safe haven for insults?
Cruncher typed " " in the third game after Idra repeatedly provoked him in the game lobby after each game by saying things like "Boy it must suck when skill matters". No need to lie to get your point across. http://gyazo.com/ef7f840318e3e68c3afb67a55ca70b75.pnghttp://gyazo.com/c7dff7b0936149ebfccea7c37acdd705.pngNo need to incorrectly call someone a liar when you aren't fully informed.
I see 2 very short comments. Wheres the 'repeated' provocation you were talking about? I was already aware of those 2 and I'm curious as to what else was said.
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On May 08 2011 21:52 ProGear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 06:51 diverzee wrote:
Ridiculous way of enforcing something bad just out of spite. This is not national law, it's just a forum. Would be way better to actually think of the fans and at least stick to the original 2 days.
User was warned for this post I agree maybe he should be banned for a bit more than 2 days but not 90 f**king days seriously
Every other guy would've got permanent ban 10 times earlier. He keeps breaking the rules over and over again. I kinda like Idra but sometimes i really feel like he has problems to socialize... seriously.
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On May 08 2011 20:27 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 20:07 Bisu_Wolf wrote:On May 08 2011 07:05 baeric wrote:idrajit Greg Fields wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets youno he don't want to apologize, he wants the perm ban :-| source: http://twitter.com/#!/idrajit Wait Wait Wait... This got IdrA 90 days? Okay, I have to slightly disagree with the decision made. Yes, what he initially said deserves a ban. But the justification was that IdrA had all his fans spam Chill's box from his Twitter account. I see nothing wrong with what IdrA posted here... He does not ask his fans to berate Chill, just send him a PM if you think the temp ban upsets you. Now, I guarantee there were at least 50 or so people that took it to the next level but that should not give reason to up the ban from my perspective. And, for those that do not think what Cruncher did was wrong... I have to COMPLETELY disagree. If you think he was ghosting, what's not to stop him from at the 5 minute mark to alt + tab check Idra's stream and then get back in game... 15 seconds you know exactly what is coming. It's like people saying I have used MH in the past but do not anymore. No way you believe them. TL:DR IdrA deserved a ban but do not think the 90 day post decision was made without slight bias. If I get a speeding ticket and I think it's totally unfair, not because I wasn't driving too fast but because I think I should be allowed to break the speed limit, then I don't train hundreds of monkeys to go to the house of the police officer who enforced the law and hurl shit. Instead I use the established structures within society to try and reform the law or move to another country with laws I prefer.
Come on. I haven't even read past this post but I can't believe this analogy hasn't been thrown under a bus already by half a dozen people. You could just as easily make the analogy that this was nothing more than a peaceful protest akin to a petition delivered to a lawmaker's doorstep.
In reality it is somewhere in between. But to say Idra is the only person at fault here is just having blinders on.
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tl-forum: east-germany style... But seriously, this will only backfire on tl as they alienate themselves from one of the most popular and interesting player in the world, albeit with an edgy personality. shame shame
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On May 08 2011 22:09 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 20:27 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 20:07 Bisu_Wolf wrote:On May 08 2011 07:05 baeric wrote:idrajit Greg Fields wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets youno he don't want to apologize, he wants the perm ban :-| source: http://twitter.com/#!/idrajit Wait Wait Wait... This got IdrA 90 days? Okay, I have to slightly disagree with the decision made. Yes, what he initially said deserves a ban. But the justification was that IdrA had all his fans spam Chill's box from his Twitter account. I see nothing wrong with what IdrA posted here... He does not ask his fans to berate Chill, just send him a PM if you think the temp ban upsets you. Now, I guarantee there were at least 50 or so people that took it to the next level but that should not give reason to up the ban from my perspective. And, for those that do not think what Cruncher did was wrong... I have to COMPLETELY disagree. If you think he was ghosting, what's not to stop him from at the 5 minute mark to alt + tab check Idra's stream and then get back in game... 15 seconds you know exactly what is coming. It's like people saying I have used MH in the past but do not anymore. No way you believe them. TL:DR IdrA deserved a ban but do not think the 90 day post decision was made without slight bias. If I get a speeding ticket and I think it's totally unfair, not because I wasn't driving too fast but because I think I should be allowed to break the speed limit, then I don't train hundreds of monkeys to go to the house of the police officer who enforced the law and hurl shit. Instead I use the established structures within society to try and reform the law or move to another country with laws I prefer. Come on. I haven't even read past this post but I can't believe this analogy hasn't been thrown under a bus already by half a dozen people. You could just as easily make the analogy that this was nothing more than a peaceful protest akin to a petition delivered to a lawmaker's doorstep. In reality it is somewhere in between. But to say Idra is the only person at fault here is just having blinders on.
Chill is not the lawmaker, just the enforcer. So no, the reality is nothing in between.
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On May 08 2011 22:13 Hertingen wrote:
tl-forum: east-germany style... But seriously, this will only backfire on tl as they alienate themselves from one of the most popular and interesting player in the world, albeit with an edgy personality. shame shame
This ban is consistent with TL's history and the direction it wants to go and the standards it sets for itself. It would backfire if Liquid` stole him from EG and he turned our water green.
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On May 08 2011 22:14 JayDee_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 22:09 SimDawg wrote:On May 08 2011 20:27 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 20:07 Bisu_Wolf wrote:On May 08 2011 07:05 baeric wrote:idrajit Greg Fields wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets youno he don't want to apologize, he wants the perm ban :-| source: http://twitter.com/#!/idrajit Wait Wait Wait... This got IdrA 90 days? Okay, I have to slightly disagree with the decision made. Yes, what he initially said deserves a ban. But the justification was that IdrA had all his fans spam Chill's box from his Twitter account. I see nothing wrong with what IdrA posted here... He does not ask his fans to berate Chill, just send him a PM if you think the temp ban upsets you. Now, I guarantee there were at least 50 or so people that took it to the next level but that should not give reason to up the ban from my perspective. And, for those that do not think what Cruncher did was wrong... I have to COMPLETELY disagree. If you think he was ghosting, what's not to stop him from at the 5 minute mark to alt + tab check Idra's stream and then get back in game... 15 seconds you know exactly what is coming. It's like people saying I have used MH in the past but do not anymore. No way you believe them. TL:DR IdrA deserved a ban but do not think the 90 day post decision was made without slight bias. If I get a speeding ticket and I think it's totally unfair, not because I wasn't driving too fast but because I think I should be allowed to break the speed limit, then I don't train hundreds of monkeys to go to the house of the police officer who enforced the law and hurl shit. Instead I use the established structures within society to try and reform the law or move to another country with laws I prefer. Come on. I haven't even read past this post but I can't believe this analogy hasn't been thrown under a bus already by half a dozen people. You could just as easily make the analogy that this was nothing more than a peaceful protest akin to a petition delivered to a lawmaker's doorstep. In reality it is somewhere in between. But to say Idra is the only person at fault here is just having blinders on. Chill is not the lawmaker, just the enforcer. So no, the reality is nothing in between.
Listen to what he means, not what he says... Wow.
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I think idra dont give a shit 'bout that, as always. But 90 days is a little long.
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I feel like every thread that has "IdrA" in its name should be locked for a couple of days, there's nothing constructive going on here, just trolling people with less than 50 posts bashing each other. IdrA is IdrA, he isn't going to change (at least not with a temp.ban while his stream is still featured) but what's even more destructive for the community is people turning every thread in a hate-chat because of some childish bullcrap ... It should all be OK in a couple of days though, as the chance of IdrA's stream being removed from the featured ones if he keeps being a kid would cost him too much and he isn't dumb enough to continue with this ...
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On May 08 2011 22:14 JayDee_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 22:09 SimDawg wrote:On May 08 2011 20:27 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 20:07 Bisu_Wolf wrote:On May 08 2011 07:05 baeric wrote:idrajit Greg Fields wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets youno he don't want to apologize, he wants the perm ban :-| source: http://twitter.com/#!/idrajit Wait Wait Wait... This got IdrA 90 days? Okay, I have to slightly disagree with the decision made. Yes, what he initially said deserves a ban. But the justification was that IdrA had all his fans spam Chill's box from his Twitter account. I see nothing wrong with what IdrA posted here... He does not ask his fans to berate Chill, just send him a PM if you think the temp ban upsets you. Now, I guarantee there were at least 50 or so people that took it to the next level but that should not give reason to up the ban from my perspective. And, for those that do not think what Cruncher did was wrong... I have to COMPLETELY disagree. If you think he was ghosting, what's not to stop him from at the 5 minute mark to alt + tab check Idra's stream and then get back in game... 15 seconds you know exactly what is coming. It's like people saying I have used MH in the past but do not anymore. No way you believe them. TL:DR IdrA deserved a ban but do not think the 90 day post decision was made without slight bias. If I get a speeding ticket and I think it's totally unfair, not because I wasn't driving too fast but because I think I should be allowed to break the speed limit, then I don't train hundreds of monkeys to go to the house of the police officer who enforced the law and hurl shit. Instead I use the established structures within society to try and reform the law or move to another country with laws I prefer. Come on. I haven't even read past this post but I can't believe this analogy hasn't been thrown under a bus already by half a dozen people. You could just as easily make the analogy that this was nothing more than a peaceful protest akin to a petition delivered to a lawmaker's doorstep. In reality it is somewhere in between. But to say Idra is the only person at fault here is just having blinders on. Chill is not the lawmaker, just the enforcer. So no, the reality is nothing in between.
Simply not true. Everyone here realizes all bans/warnings are open to interpretation. Sometimes people get banned for extremely trivial things and some people are warned for more serious ones. Chill is not an automaton, therefore he is open to influence.
But people are flying by my main point without even a wave.
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