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Hello, all!
It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.
Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.
Thanks,
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On May 08 2011 22:02 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 21:55 Skamtet wrote:On May 08 2011 21:50 Sein wrote:On May 08 2011 08:44 teve wrote:
I think it's pretty sad how Cruncher was able to so blatantly BM Idra in the third set of their game in the TeamLiquid Star League, and mock Idra's fans in his fan club, without receiving any sort of punishment. While Idra gets crucified for saying that "he's a waste of life".
It's quite hypocritical to take such an aggressive stance against one of the two parties. I realize that Idra has received a lot of warnings already, if not too many, but how is this in any way fair? I hardly believe Cruncher took Idras remark very seriously, I bet you if anything he laughed and felt sorry for Idra.
This is the internet, people don't get hurt by forum posts. What's the point of making this forum a safe haven for insults?
Cruncher typed "  " in the third game after Idra repeatedly provoked him in the game lobby after each game by saying things like "Boy it must suck when skill matters". No need to lie to get your point across. http://gyazo.com/ef7f840318e3e68c3afb67a55ca70b75.pnghttp://gyazo.com/c7dff7b0936149ebfccea7c37acdd705.pngNo need to incorrectly call someone a liar when you aren't fully informed. 2 times, sick. Still not repeatedly as you said.
Have you seen CrunChers BM on ladder?
.. no?
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Good riddance, he almost never posted constructively on this board (maybe elsewhere but not here) and everyone is better off without his whining.
That, and mods shouldn't have to take abuse or torrents of spam from mindless followers, it's not their job. Enforcing the forum rules is their job, and it really sickens me to see how many people don't understand that.
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Just judging from the ban history, I'd say this ban is deserved. As for the game, I don't think Cruncher cheated truthfully, but, I don't like how he had the stream open to get in the game with him, in the first place. To me, that defeats the purpose of laddering - but, to each their own.
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A thread where you get warned or banned for every comment not ripping on someone. Interesting.
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On May 08 2011 22:39 Skamtet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 22:02 Sein wrote:On May 08 2011 21:55 Skamtet wrote:On May 08 2011 21:50 Sein wrote:On May 08 2011 08:44 teve wrote:
I think it's pretty sad how Cruncher was able to so blatantly BM Idra in the third set of their game in the TeamLiquid Star League, and mock Idra's fans in his fan club, without receiving any sort of punishment. While Idra gets crucified for saying that "he's a waste of life".
It's quite hypocritical to take such an aggressive stance against one of the two parties. I realize that Idra has received a lot of warnings already, if not too many, but how is this in any way fair? I hardly believe Cruncher took Idras remark very seriously, I bet you if anything he laughed and felt sorry for Idra.
This is the internet, people don't get hurt by forum posts. What's the point of making this forum a safe haven for insults?
Cruncher typed " " in the third game after Idra repeatedly provoked him in the game lobby after each game by saying things like "Boy it must suck when skill matters". No need to lie to get your point across. http://gyazo.com/ef7f840318e3e68c3afb67a55ca70b75.pnghttp://gyazo.com/c7dff7b0936149ebfccea7c37acdd705.pngNo need to incorrectly call someone a liar when you aren't fully informed. 2 times, sick. Still not repeatedly as you said. Have you seen CrunChers BM on ladder? .. no?
That IS repeatedly, go look up the meaning of the word. You excessive fanboyish doesn't excuse Idra's behavior, and I'm surprised they didn't penalize him.
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Idra would have probably been perma-banned from TL a while ago if it didn't mean he would be unable to participate in the TSLs
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On May 08 2011 22:42 Fission wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 22:39 Skamtet wrote:On May 08 2011 22:02 Sein wrote:On May 08 2011 21:55 Skamtet wrote:On May 08 2011 21:50 Sein wrote:On May 08 2011 08:44 teve wrote:
I think it's pretty sad how Cruncher was able to so blatantly BM Idra in the third set of their game in the TeamLiquid Star League, and mock Idra's fans in his fan club, without receiving any sort of punishment. While Idra gets crucified for saying that "he's a waste of life".
It's quite hypocritical to take such an aggressive stance against one of the two parties. I realize that Idra has received a lot of warnings already, if not too many, but how is this in any way fair? I hardly believe Cruncher took Idras remark very seriously, I bet you if anything he laughed and felt sorry for Idra.
This is the internet, people don't get hurt by forum posts. What's the point of making this forum a safe haven for insults?
Cruncher typed " " in the third game after Idra repeatedly provoked him in the game lobby after each game by saying things like "Boy it must suck when skill matters". No need to lie to get your point across. http://gyazo.com/ef7f840318e3e68c3afb67a55ca70b75.pnghttp://gyazo.com/c7dff7b0936149ebfccea7c37acdd705.pngNo need to incorrectly call someone a liar when you aren't fully informed. 2 times, sick. Still not repeatedly as you said. Have you seen CrunChers BM on ladder? .. no? That IS repeatedly, go look up the meaning of the word. You excessive fanboyish doesn't excuse Idra's behavior, and I'm surprised they didn't penalize him. No need to argue ad hominem.
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On May 08 2011 22:05 Mycl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 22:02 Sein wrote:On May 08 2011 21:55 Skamtet wrote:On May 08 2011 21:50 Sein wrote:On May 08 2011 08:44 teve wrote:
I think it's pretty sad how Cruncher was able to so blatantly BM Idra in the third set of their game in the TeamLiquid Star League, and mock Idra's fans in his fan club, without receiving any sort of punishment. While Idra gets crucified for saying that "he's a waste of life".
It's quite hypocritical to take such an aggressive stance against one of the two parties. I realize that Idra has received a lot of warnings already, if not too many, but how is this in any way fair? I hardly believe Cruncher took Idras remark very seriously, I bet you if anything he laughed and felt sorry for Idra.
This is the internet, people don't get hurt by forum posts. What's the point of making this forum a safe haven for insults?
Cruncher typed " " in the third game after Idra repeatedly provoked him in the game lobby after each game by saying things like "Boy it must suck when skill matters". No need to lie to get your point across. http://gyazo.com/ef7f840318e3e68c3afb67a55ca70b75.pnghttp://gyazo.com/c7dff7b0936149ebfccea7c37acdd705.pngNo need to incorrectly call someone a liar when you aren't fully informed. I see 2 very short comments. Wheres the 'repeated' provocation you were talking about? I was already aware of those 2 and I'm curious as to what else was said.
This. Love him or hate him, those comments are par for the course for IdrA. I'm not defending IdrA for saying stuff like that but expecting anything else just makes you look silly and when you respond in kind, you're not the bigger person. This entire "feud" can and should have ended with the TSL and yet Cruncher has been actively trolling IdrA ever since, goading him about the loss, acting like he deserves to be considered as good as IdrA just because he took a couple games off him in a big tournament.
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hahahahahahaha good old idra
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lol everyone is jealous on idra specially that old guy that is boss and they banned him
but lol hes the best zerg in the world why wouldnt they be cause chill is only a jealous nerd
User was temp banned for this post.
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I'm not personally concerned about the ban itself, because I don't think it matters as much as people want it to. IdrA can't post now, but it's not like he's contributing through his posts anyway (for the most part). His stream CAN go on, and I hope it will.
What I'm afraid of is that IdrA might turn this into a grudge between the TL mods and him. In the past I'd never have considered this possible, since both sides always stated how they were good friends with each other. But seeing how IdrA made his minions turn on Chill after the ban is a kind of personal attack, more than a dissent. I feel that IdrA crossed a line here, which does not mean I want to judge the ban itself. I just hope he doesn't widen the rift between him and the moderators of TL, e.g. by saying he won't stream anymore until he's unbanned. Which would make the fan horde go wild.
tl;dr - I don't care about the ban itself that much. I just hope the "fight" doesn't escalate.
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On May 08 2011 22:20 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 22:09 SimDawg wrote:
In reality it is somewhere in between. But to say Idra is the only person at fault here is just having blinders on. tell me what TL did wrong? they are more easy on idra. this is a fact. idra crossed the line and got a tiny 2day ban. something you have to do to keep your forum ontrack and avoid evryone writing crap cause "idra did it too!". idra instead of taking it like evryone else would did a HUGE no go with rallying people against a TL mod. it mightve been a misunderstanding at first but then told em "fu whatever". behavior like this is just not acceptable at all and has to be punished . and no matter what he intended with that, the stupid sentence "with great power comes great responsibility" is very true here. idra is not stupid. he knows that this is a nogo and can easily get out of hand when he tells his hordes of fanboys something like that. at evry step TL followed its guidelines and did the correct thing to ensure stuff like that doesnt happen again which is important for the future of this forum or soon we have evry 500 viewer stream guy trying to do the same. i like idra. he acted stupid here and TL reacted. so he got a 90day ban. then he will post again and evrything is like it was before. no one to blame but him and no big deal at all.
Here is a quote from the TL 10 commandments:
" If you believe a certain ban was a mistake, you can contact a Mod through PM or in our IRC channel, but please be respectful about it."
Now, the twitter request was not entirely respectful. Again, word for word from idrajit. "i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you"
Now I still believe the second ban was 100 times more worthwhile than the first. But I'm trying to point out the grey area here to people that don't see it. It's there, I assure you TL staff is human like the rest of us.
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On May 08 2011 22:42 Fission wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 22:39 Skamtet wrote:On May 08 2011 22:02 Sein wrote:On May 08 2011 21:55 Skamtet wrote:On May 08 2011 21:50 Sein wrote:On May 08 2011 08:44 teve wrote:
I think it's pretty sad how Cruncher was able to so blatantly BM Idra in the third set of their game in the TeamLiquid Star League, and mock Idra's fans in his fan club, without receiving any sort of punishment. While Idra gets crucified for saying that "he's a waste of life".
It's quite hypocritical to take such an aggressive stance against one of the two parties. I realize that Idra has received a lot of warnings already, if not too many, but how is this in any way fair? I hardly believe Cruncher took Idras remark very seriously, I bet you if anything he laughed and felt sorry for Idra.
This is the internet, people don't get hurt by forum posts. What's the point of making this forum a safe haven for insults?
Cruncher typed " " in the third game after Idra repeatedly provoked him in the game lobby after each game by saying things like "Boy it must suck when skill matters". No need to lie to get your point across. http://gyazo.com/ef7f840318e3e68c3afb67a55ca70b75.pnghttp://gyazo.com/c7dff7b0936149ebfccea7c37acdd705.pngNo need to incorrectly call someone a liar when you aren't fully informed. 2 times, sick. Still not repeatedly as you said. Have you seen CrunChers BM on ladder? .. no? That IS repeatedly, go look up the meaning of the word. You excessive fanboyish doesn't excuse Idra's behavior, and I'm surprised they didn't penalize him.
There's a big difference between doing it in-game where tens of thousands of people are going to see it, and doing it in the lobby where a few people are gonna bring it up in the forums.
Pre-game banter isn't anything new.
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thought he would have learnt by now... guess not!
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On May 08 2011 22:48 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 22:20 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 08 2011 22:09 SimDawg wrote:
In reality it is somewhere in between. But to say Idra is the only person at fault here is just having blinders on. tell me what TL did wrong? they are more easy on idra. this is a fact. idra crossed the line and got a tiny 2day ban. something you have to do to keep your forum ontrack and avoid evryone writing crap cause "idra did it too!". idra instead of taking it like evryone else would did a HUGE no go with rallying people against a TL mod. it mightve been a misunderstanding at first but then told em "fu whatever". behavior like this is just not acceptable at all and has to be punished . and no matter what he intended with that, the stupid sentence "with great power comes great responsibility" is very true here. idra is not stupid. he knows that this is a nogo and can easily get out of hand when he tells his hordes of fanboys something like that. at evry step TL followed its guidelines and did the correct thing to ensure stuff like that doesnt happen again which is important for the future of this forum or soon we have evry 500 viewer stream guy trying to do the same. i like idra. he acted stupid here and TL reacted. so he got a 90day ban. then he will post again and evrything is like it was before. no one to blame but him and no big deal at all. Here is a quote from the TL 10 commandments: " If you believe a certain ban was a mistake, you can contact a Mod through PM or in our IRC channel, but please be respectful about it." Now, the twitter request was not entirely respectful. Again, word for word from idrajit. "i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you" Now I still believe the second ban was 100 times more worthwhile than the first. But I'm trying to point out the grey area here to people that don't see it. It's there, I assure you TL staff is human like the rest of us.
well, yeah, his tweet was 'respectful'. But did you think the hordes of rabid fanboys' PMs to Chill were? And Idra should have just PM'ed Chill instead. But he just had to let his lackeys to the dirty work for him.
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Idra should be perma banned he is a goddam embarresement for the sc2 community is this how we want to introduce new fans to the scene?.
He is unproffesional and acting like a child if this behavior continuoe I suggest tournament orginasations start banning him from events.
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On May 08 2011 22:48 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 22:20 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 08 2011 22:09 SimDawg wrote:
In reality it is somewhere in between. But to say Idra is the only person at fault here is just having blinders on. tell me what TL did wrong? they are more easy on idra. this is a fact. idra crossed the line and got a tiny 2day ban. something you have to do to keep your forum ontrack and avoid evryone writing crap cause "idra did it too!". idra instead of taking it like evryone else would did a HUGE no go with rallying people against a TL mod. it mightve been a misunderstanding at first but then told em "fu whatever". behavior like this is just not acceptable at all and has to be punished . and no matter what he intended with that, the stupid sentence "with great power comes great responsibility" is very true here. idra is not stupid. he knows that this is a nogo and can easily get out of hand when he tells his hordes of fanboys something like that. at evry step TL followed its guidelines and did the correct thing to ensure stuff like that doesnt happen again which is important for the future of this forum or soon we have evry 500 viewer stream guy trying to do the same. i like idra. he acted stupid here and TL reacted. so he got a 90day ban. then he will post again and evrything is like it was before. no one to blame but him and no big deal at all. Here is a quote from the TL 10 commandments: " If you believe a certain ban was a mistake, you can contact a Mod through PM or in our IRC channel, but please be respectful about it." Now, the twitter request was not entirely respectful. Again, word for word from idrajit. "i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you" Now I still believe the second ban was 100 times more worthwhile than the first. But I'm trying to point out the grey area here to people that don't see it. It's there, I assure you TL staff is human like the rest of us.
bolded the important part. im pretty sure no matter what idra wouldve said to chill himself it wouldnt have changed anything.
but he has countless mindless fanboys. he knows it, hes not stupid. telling them to pm chill no matter in what way will 100% result in something bad.
this is not acceptable in any way esp nowadays where evry random guy can get some efame with a stream or whatever. for the good of the forum in the future a action like this has to be heavily punished .
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On May 08 2011 22:48 Novalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 22:42 Fission wrote:On May 08 2011 22:39 Skamtet wrote:On May 08 2011 22:02 Sein wrote:On May 08 2011 21:55 Skamtet wrote:On May 08 2011 21:50 Sein wrote:On May 08 2011 08:44 teve wrote:
I think it's pretty sad how Cruncher was able to so blatantly BM Idra in the third set of their game in the TeamLiquid Star League, and mock Idra's fans in his fan club, without receiving any sort of punishment. While Idra gets crucified for saying that "he's a waste of life".
It's quite hypocritical to take such an aggressive stance against one of the two parties. I realize that Idra has received a lot of warnings already, if not too many, but how is this in any way fair? I hardly believe Cruncher took Idras remark very seriously, I bet you if anything he laughed and felt sorry for Idra.
This is the internet, people don't get hurt by forum posts. What's the point of making this forum a safe haven for insults?
Cruncher typed " " in the third game after Idra repeatedly provoked him in the game lobby after each game by saying things like "Boy it must suck when skill matters". No need to lie to get your point across. http://gyazo.com/ef7f840318e3e68c3afb67a55ca70b75.pnghttp://gyazo.com/c7dff7b0936149ebfccea7c37acdd705.pngNo need to incorrectly call someone a liar when you aren't fully informed. 2 times, sick. Still not repeatedly as you said. Have you seen CrunChers BM on ladder? .. no? That IS repeatedly, go look up the meaning of the word. You excessive fanboyish doesn't excuse Idra's behavior, and I'm surprised they didn't penalize him. There's a big difference between doing it in-game where tens of thousands of people are going to see it, and doing it in the loading screen where a few people are gonna bring it up in the forums. Pre-game banter isn't anything new. He also called Cruncher a walkover who will probably just 4 gate him and lose 2-0 in an pre game interview. Add that with the between game statements, and you still think a is bad comparatively?
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I'm actually surprised it's only 90 days. I thought it will be a perm when I saw his twitter.
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