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Hello, all!
It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.
Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.
Thanks,
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On May 09 2011 07:06 Deadlyfish wrote:I think the ban is fine and all, but there is one thing i dislike. Why hasnt IdrA been perma banned yet? (sorry if it's been answered in this thread, dont have time to read 100s of pages  ) I mean he's been banned so many times that any other forum member would have gotten a perma a loooong time ago, but he just keeps getting 90 day bans or whatever. I dont have a problem if TL openly says that they are giving him special treatment, and they have a good reason for it.
They have, it's called #6 of the 10 commandments.
"All other things being equal, we will give preferential treatment to site members who have been with us longer (as reflected in their post count + length of time with us as a registered member). It's a simple recognition of the quality of these people. Longevity and contribution are prized commodities around here. In a similar vein, "known" pro/semi-pro players will also be treated with deference (yes, quite a few hang out here). Don't complain - these guys have earned it."
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On May 09 2011 07:15 MonkSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:12 RoyalCheese wrote:
What people fail to realize is that Cruncher didn't troll/whateveryoucallit via TL and therefore TL staff has no right to take any actions against him. Idra however insulted him via tl forum and got banned. Pretty fair case, imo. (btw yes i am <3 idra) Then Mr. Awesome, why was IdrA banned for 90 days when he trolled someone off of the TL website? Your logic is incorrect and therefore redundant.
Did you miss the part where he told his legion of fans to send the mod a pm knowing full well it would result in spam?
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On May 09 2011 07:12 RoyalCheese wrote:
What people fail to realize is that Cruncher didn't troll/whateveryoucallit via TL and therefore TL staff has no right to take any actions against him. Idra however insulted him via tl forum and got banned. Pretty fair case, imo. (btw yes i am <3 idra)
Since you failed to read the thread, TL has the power to ban people based off actions outside TL. This isn't even factoring in IdrA's twitter, which in no case should have an effect on his ban in the first place. IdrA didn't have a gun to anyone's head to PM chill, regardless if the intent was to annoy.
I can tell my friends my boss is a douchebag and that I'd love for someone to kick his ass to the extent that I'd pay to see it. Someone eventually hears that, does it and asks for my money, so am I to blame if police saw the whole thing? Cruncher was being a troll and has an extensive record of being a total dick *force to kill all buildings* *can't we be friends*, regardless of what medium he used to communicate this, his actions contributed to the situation we have today.
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On May 09 2011 07:10 HolyArrow wrote:
I wouldn't object to a source either, but the fact that there's obvious enmity between the two should be proof enough. You just don't constantly try to interact with someone that you obviously have a bad history with if you don't intend to annoy them somehow. In this case, there's enough circumstantial evidence in the IdrA/CrunCher grudge to pretty much infer without much doubt that CrunCher intended to annoy IdrA.
Sorry, but I prefer concrete proof of the situation. I agree with the fact that there is a grudge between IdrA and Cruncher (pretty much obvious), but there are some things to reconsider about it.
1: IdrA, as a progamer, should not fall to the bait of posting what he did, both on Tl and on Twitter.
2: If CrunCher trolled IdrA on TL, he would be banned.
3: If CrunCher trolled IdrA outside of TL, he would not be banned. This is because this is not directly related to TL.
This is the big thing. Telling people on a seperate website to go to TL and do stuff (in this case PM Chill, in a way to harass) is banable. If IdrA had not told people to go to TL, this situation wouldn't be here. CrunCher did not tell people on his stream to go TL and troll IdrA, they did on the stream instead.
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On May 09 2011 07:08 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:06 Deadlyfish wrote:I think the ban is fine and all, but there is one thing i dislike. Why hasnt IdrA been perma banned yet? I mean he's been banned so many times that any other forum member would have gotten a perma a loooong time ago, but he just keeps getting 90 day bans or whatever. I dont have a problem if TL openly says that they are giving him special treatment, and they have a good reason for it. The guy constantly posts the worst and most offensive posts and it generally only leads to drama and flaming. But oh well, i think most people are blowing this out of proportion. It's a ban on TL, chill out  Because perma banning idra would accomplish nothing, while at the same time damaging the scene.TL honestly thinks new players see idra (who posts less than 5 times a week) and use it as justification for flamming people on the forum themselves, which is mostly untrue. They will do it regardless if idra is banned or not, people are just idiots, idra doesn't push them along that path.
2 things i disagree with.
He IS damaging the scene. Most of his posts just insult people and create drama, how is that a good thing? Honestly i cant remember the last constructive post the guy made. It's not like they are banning him from sc2 or streaming, it's just a website.
Also, i would argue that IdrA just influence people the wrong way. People see him and then feel entitled to act like a douchebag or complain about balance and call people shit. And i think he had forced a lot of zerg players to turn into whiny balance whiners. He is unfortunately one of the most influential people in the sc2 community, and at the same time very offensive to other people. Too bad, because he would be extremely popular if he would just be "nice" 
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On May 09 2011 07:17 fishjie wrote:
guy is pretty immature and doesn't seem like he'll ever grow up, so why not just perma ban him instead? he may be one of the best zergs (although nestea is ten million times better than he is), but he doesn't really contribute anything to the community other than constantly insulting other players and whining about balance.
Nah he doesn't contribute anything. Not Builds, his thoughts on builds, live commentary, outstanding play etc.
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On May 09 2011 07:16 MonkSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:12 Kamikazess wrote:
TL extended IdrA's ban, because his comment on Twitter had direct implications inside TL (the harassment to Chill). And because, after this, TL Staff asked about the intentions behind this comment, and IdrA said that wanted to annoy Chil and won't apologize. I see no source that he wanted to annoy chill. All I see is his thoughts were just, and he won't apologize. (Going on the first page source too, not some conjured members post)
On May 09 2011 06:15 IntoTheWow wrote:
TL Staff talked about it with Idra. He said he did it on purpose to annoy Chill.
We are not taking anything from you. If Idra doesn't want to stream, it's his own decision. We don't have a power button to switch his computer or stream off.
This is the source.
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On May 09 2011 07:17 snarl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:15 MonkSEA wrote:On May 09 2011 07:12 RoyalCheese wrote:
What people fail to realize is that Cruncher didn't troll/whateveryoucallit via TL and therefore TL staff has no right to take any actions against him. Idra however insulted him via tl forum and got banned. Pretty fair case, imo. (btw yes i am <3 idra) Then Mr. Awesome, why was IdrA banned for 90 days when he trolled someone off of the TL website? Your logic is incorrect and therefore redundant. Did you miss the part where he told his legion of fans to send the mod a pm knowing full well it would result in spam?
And did you miss the part where if we're playing this on assumptions then CrunCher should be assumed of stream cheating?
Regardless of IdrA saying that, he did not out-right say "Spam Chill and harass him" he said if the ban upset you then don't ask IdrA, ask Chill.
-EDIT- Okay so IntoTheWoW has said that. I acknowledge that, but still. This all could of been prevented if they looked into the cause of IdrA's rage
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By banning him you've only made him stronger! THE GRACKEN FEEDS ON TL BANS!!!
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On May 09 2011 07:19 MonkSEA wrote:
Nah he doesn't contribute anything. Not Builds, his thoughts on builds, live commentary, outstanding play etc.
When will people understand that his stream is not hosted on TL, it's hosted on Justin.tv. IdrA does almost no contribution with the posts he make on TL, just look at his post history, this is a fact.
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If Idra wasn't a pro this thread wouldn't exist. Let that mull over in all of your heads. He doesn't deserve the attention and by granting him this thread you've done exactly what he wanted. I know you need to explain to the community, but honestly everyone is going to rail against you and demand their sweet Idra be unbanned and treated preferentially (except for the mature people).
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On May 09 2011 07:20 Xacez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:19 MonkSEA wrote:
Nah he doesn't contribute anything. Not Builds, his thoughts on builds, live commentary, outstanding play etc. When will people understand that his stream is not hosted on TL, it's hosted on Justin.tv. IdrA does almost no contribution with the posts he make on TL, just look at his post history, this is a fact.
if that's the case then...why...do...mods...want...him...back...in...90...days...
he won't find jesus, i'll fucking tell you that much.
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I think the 90 days ban is justifiable as Idra incite his fans to harass Chill.
The 2 day bans too is justifiable under the assumption that Idra said quote"you are a waste of life" to cruncher in the TL forum(TL forum is a private establishment therefore freedom of speech does not apply) , otherwise its just silly
On the side note regarding Cruncher sniping(which he admitted of doing) and the allegation that he is ghosting base on the evidence that is presented though circumstantial (he said that he did not turn off the stream but instead minimize the windows and mute it) will most probably get him convicted in the court of law because he has the means,motive and opportunity to do so.(ex is Amanda knox who is convicted of killing her roommate without eye witness or condemning evidence, she is convicted because she is "most likely has done it)
So please don't say that there is not enough evidence of him cheating because in the real court of law what we have here(assuming its true) is good enough.
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On May 09 2011 07:17 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:06 Deadlyfish wrote:I think the ban is fine and all, but there is one thing i dislike. Why hasnt IdrA been perma banned yet? (sorry if it's been answered in this thread, dont have time to read 100s of pages ) I mean he's been banned so many times that any other forum member would have gotten a perma a loooong time ago, but he just keeps getting 90 day bans or whatever. I dont have a problem if TL openly says that they are giving him special treatment, and they have a good reason for it. They have, it's called #6 of the 10 commandments. "All other things being equal, we will give preferential treatment to site members who have been with us longer (as reflected in their post count + length of time with us as a registered member). It's a simple recognition of the quality of these people. Longevity and contribution are prized commodities around here. In a similar vein, "known" pro/semi-pro players will also be treated with deference (yes, quite a few hang out here). Don't complain - these guys have earned it."
Hmm. Oh well. I sorta disagree with this. If someone has been a well-known contributor to the website and overall nice guy then he shouldnt give the mods a reason to ban him. At least not as many as IdrA did. And while they maybe should get a longer fuse, IdrA's fuse seems to be infinite.
Idk if IdrA contributed earlier in the days of broodwar, maybe i've just missed it.
But i guess it's their website, they can do whatever they want
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On May 09 2011 07:21 Asparagus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:20 Xacez wrote:On May 09 2011 07:19 MonkSEA wrote:
Nah he doesn't contribute anything. Not Builds, his thoughts on builds, live commentary, outstanding play etc. When will people understand that his stream is not hosted on TL, it's hosted on Justin.tv. IdrA does almost no contribution with the posts he make on TL, just look at his post history, this is a fact. if that's the case then...why...do...mods...want...him...back...in...90...days... he won't find jesus, i'll fucking tell you that much.
I don't understand your post at all, the point with a ban is to teach people that the way they act is inappropriate for the website they got banned on. He's not banned because he doesn't contribute to the strategy section, he's banned because he told people via his Twitter to harass Chill (and we have proof that was his intention).
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On May 09 2011 07:21 Asparagus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:20 Xacez wrote:On May 09 2011 07:19 MonkSEA wrote:
Nah he doesn't contribute anything. Not Builds, his thoughts on builds, live commentary, outstanding play etc. When will people understand that his stream is not hosted on TL, it's hosted on Justin.tv. IdrA does almost no contribution with the posts he make on TL, just look at his post history, this is a fact. if that's the case then...why...do...mods...want...him...back...in...90...days... he won't find jesus, i'll fucking tell you that much.
If you check my post at like page 90, i was wondering that myself.
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On May 09 2011 07:20 MonkSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:17 snarl wrote:On May 09 2011 07:15 MonkSEA wrote:On May 09 2011 07:12 RoyalCheese wrote:
What people fail to realize is that Cruncher didn't troll/whateveryoucallit via TL and therefore TL staff has no right to take any actions against him. Idra however insulted him via tl forum and got banned. Pretty fair case, imo. (btw yes i am <3 idra) Then Mr. Awesome, why was IdrA banned for 90 days when he trolled someone off of the TL website? Your logic is incorrect and therefore redundant. Did you miss the part where he told his legion of fans to send the mod a pm knowing full well it would result in spam? And did you miss the part where if we're playing this on assumptions then CrunCher should be assumed of stream cheating? Regardless of IdrA saying that, he did not out-right say "Spam Chill and harass him" he said if the ban upset you then don't ask IdrA, ask Chill.
Nazgul spoke with idra after the fact, did you not read the op? IF it wasn't idra's intention to get chill spam PM'd he could have apologised and the thing would have blown over. But it clearly was his intent since he said he did not regret his actions. So please stop..you're grasping at straws here.
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TL is lame, its going down hill pretty fast and is light years behind other sites forum wise
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Shit. I've looked for about 100 different ways to try to criticize TL on their handling of this situation of this drama because I'm a rabid IdrA fan, but I really think they handled this maturally. Well done T.T
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On May 09 2011 07:19 MonkSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:17 fishjie wrote:
guy is pretty immature and doesn't seem like he'll ever grow up, so why not just perma ban him instead? he may be one of the best zergs (although nestea is ten million times better than he is), but he doesn't really contribute anything to the community other than constantly insulting other players and whining about balance. Nah he doesn't contribute anything. Not Builds, his thoughts on builds, live commentary, outstanding play etc.
Outstanding play? Him being banned from TL would not prevent people from watching his "outstanding" games. "Outstanding" in quotes because of numerous times he's just given up and GGed. 6 pooling MC, quitting to Huk's hallucinated void rays, etc... I had a lol moment when I watched game 5 nestea vs sc, and thought about how quickly Idra would have given up at that point, because he is simply not champion caliber, and never will be. Yes he's a good player, but there are far better players who don't have the maturity level of an 8 year old.
His commentary and analysis is tainted and biased with bitterness. There are plenty of pro players who provide good analysis that don't bitch and moan half the time.
So no, the negative emotional baggage he brings with him completely negates whatever benefit he brings to the table.
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