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Don't post in this thread to say "gay gamers are like everyone else, why do they have a special thread?" It is something that has been posted numerous times, and this isn't the place for that discussion. For regular posters, don't quote the trolls. | ||
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sotmh
United States41 Posts
Anyway, I'm with Roe in that I don't find the idea of sex with a woman disgusting, I just don't find it particularly attractive. It's more 'meh' than 'ew'. I suspect the squeamishness many straight guys feel towards gay sex has a cultural basis. As far as curing homosexuality, consider it more similar to another behavioral trait: hand dominance. Should we cure left-handedness? Is there a compelling reason to? | ||
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adrenaLinG
Canada676 Posts
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GDR
Canada407 Posts
On September 14 2011 15:23 adrenaLinG wrote: If you guys laddered as much as you guys posted about gay stuff we would have a GM player by now!! But this is so much more fun.  | ||
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emart
United States2 Posts
User was banned for this post. | ||
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Nuxar
Canada212 Posts
On September 14 2011 15:23 adrenaLinG wrote: If you guys laddered as much as you guys posted about gay stuff we would have a GM player by now!! Yea But I find most gay men to be much more "debatable" then any straight guy. Its a generalisation, I know. But I think it's mostly due to the fact that we have a longer and more stressful psychological adolescance. In other words, we have much more thinking to do at such a young age and as human nature, we like to discuss about what we think.  But I would so want to be a GM and be recognized by what I am. Also, trivial question, does SC2 have any gay progamer? I never saw one, but then again, I am not super high on watching every tourney. | ||
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Dowjin
United States5 Posts
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kissables
United States28 Posts
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archie_
Australia4 Posts
On September 14 2011 20:01 kissables wrote: I'm not 100% sure but I think MKP might be gay... o_o We can at least hope that he is | ||
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Bortlett
United States302 Posts
Fuck the NC Republican legislators, they're all cunts. | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On September 14 2011 12:32 drshdwpuppet wrote: yaaaayyyy~~~~!!!!! HERE WE GO AGAIN (I never get tired of this ride) basically, what we have here is a classic argument ad ignorantiam. You hide it well, and seem really thoughtful, so no insult is intended, but basically, you say that "because I cannot fathom a reason how homosexuality can be benificial to reproduction, it isnt and therefore must be a defect". This is also a major unstated false premise in that the assumption is that anything that doesn't directly contribute to penis inserted into vagina and semen being injected into uterus to provide seed for life is not evolutionarily advantageous. The second unstated false premise is that something that anything that negatively affects reproduction is a defect. We will explore both realms shortly. First, it has been posted many, many, many times (more latin: ad nauseum, or literally, so much so that I am sick of typing it) that it is not excluded from the realm of scientific probability and EXISTING EVOLUTIONARY THEORY that homosexuality can benifit the species or "herd" if you will. Basically, read back and try and find it, sift through the rainbows, glitter and tight leather pants. Its in there, I assure you. The tl;dr version is that, grandmother theory (excess men incapable of reproduction increases the number of people capable of taking care of young and thereby increases their chance of survival) and "gay boyfriend" theory (excess men allow for the strongest men to have multiple children in multiple women, increasing their virulence and giving the women the ability to still raise young with a partner). There are lots more theories, some better than others. Basically, none of them are able to be proven, but there are plenty of ways in which we can imagine homosexuality being a positive force in a society, if not in an individual's chance of reproduction. Part two. Is homosexuality a defect. I think I answered that pretty well. No. Homosexuality is a part of the normal spectrum of human sexuality. I think modern medicinal science is too quick to label defects and at any rate, there are no signs of defective genetic markers or anything related in homosexuality. As for your anditode questions. For the reasons mentioned above, no. Besides, who would make your clothes? It is a great question and brings up the ethics of this sort of questioning. If we can cure congenital defects, should we? Cerebral Palsy? Sure. Down's or other related syndroms? Why not end suffering? What if it isnt afforable and easly accessable to anyone other than the rich? What if we select against things that make us unique, like homosexuality, like variations in natural intelligence, like variations in skin, eye, hair colors? This is all heresay but are questions that need to be answered. I don't want a "cure" because I am not sick. I am individual, I am brownish hair, hazel eyes, need glasses because of nearsightedness, I like men. This is what makes me different from you, or the person who posts below me. These things are important and I would never want to give them up, merely because I don't fit someone else's idea of perfect. I am perfect the way I am, the way I was born and anyone who doesn't agree with that honestly needs to reasses what they value and find beautiful about life. This was the kind of reaction I was trying to avoid. I never claimed to be a geneticist, physician, or biology guru. I was only stating how it looked to me (and probably a whole lot of other people). To be clear, I don't regard the homosexuality "defect" (still not a huge fan of that terminology) as anything that needs to be "cured" or wiped out. You are somewhat correct when you state that because I cannot fathom how homosexuality is beneficial to reproduction, that my assumption was that is was an abnormality. On the other hand, your assertion that I was trying to engage in some kind of argument.... not so much. I was just stating how it looked to me. On a more positive note, I appreciate the education you provided in more of your post. And to others that have replied, thanks for the information. Some of these posts are very thoughtful and an interesting read. | ||
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Nuxar
Canada212 Posts
I understand fully whre you are coming from with you notion of homosexuality being something different than the norme. But on a correct term, I wouldnt call it a defect in human orientation but more of a deviation of it. But another poster was very correct saying that this difference is actually beneficial to the diversity of humans. | ||
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drshdwpuppet
United States332 Posts
It is crazy, stupid ass people like this that make me want to put on my tight leather thong and parade in the streets. “Every day our young people,” said Kern. “They’re bombarded with ‘homosexuality is normal and natural.’ It’s something they have to deal with every day. Fortunately we don’t have to deal with a terrorist attack every day… It’s more dangerous, and yes I think that it’s also more dangerous because it will tear down the moral fiber of this nation.” | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
On September 14 2011 12:36 drshdwpuppet wrote: If you take a child, lock them in a closet and beat them daily, screaming at them "YOU ARE NOT A BOY, I DO NOT LOVE YOU" this will make them wish they wern't a girl. This does not mean it is better to be a boy. That behaviour is what gays have to deal with daily. I am constantly reminded that what I am is not considered normal. For someone without the support network I have, I can definitely see how that would make them feel awful and want to be a different person. It isnt their defect, it is the perverse, cruel way others judge and view the world. Everybody's journey is individual. If you fall in love with a boy, you fall in love with a boy. The fact that many people consider it a disease, consider it something to hate and fear, says more about them than it does about homosexuality. I agree with everything you just said. But if an adult homosexual person were to opt into a proven effective treatment to be changed from homosexual into heterosexual, then do we have the right to keep them from doing so because we think that they shouldn't want to be heterosexual? Would it even be wrong of them to want to be heterosexual? | ||
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drshdwpuppet
United States332 Posts
On September 15 2011 01:59 matjlav wrote: I agree with everything you just said. But if an adult homosexual person were to opt into a proven effective treatment to be changed from homosexual into heterosexual, then do we have the right to keep them from doing so because we think that they shouldn't want to be heterosexual? Would it even be wrong of them to want to be heterosexual? No, I do not think that would be appropriate. If someone wishes to change what their sexual orientation is, they should be allowed to do so. We should treat it just like we do gender reassignment, people are allowed to change their gender, but doing so in most states requires psychological counseling, the person to be over 18 and fully informed consent. | ||
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Nuxar
Canada212 Posts
On September 15 2011 03:07 drshdwpuppet wrote: No, I do not think that would be appropriate. If someone wishes to change what their sexual orientation is, they should be allowed to do so. We should treat it just like we do gender reassignment, people are allowed to change their gender, but doing so in most states requires psychological counseling, the person to be over 18 and fully informed consent. But do you really think that someone can really change their sexuality with psychological counseling? Or by any means at that? I cant help but feel that if we can (by forcing or otherwise) change it, then homosexuality was something we chose, unconsciously, but that we still did and that it becomes reversable. I would understand if someone really doesnt want to be. But sometimes I hate people who think that it is something that we can actually completely change. That a man can really become totally straight. When I was discovering who I am, at first I was obviously scared. However, despite every feeling. At first, I thought I wanted to be straight. But eventually, I realised that I actually didnt want to be gay. I tried hard to change my way of thinking. I didnt try by painfully torturing my own psychology and hating who I was. Instrad, I made myself truly believe that I love women. It worked at a certain degree. In that I actually DO love some women. But in the end, its only because I wanted that so badly that I made myself believe it true. If I wouldnt of done all that, then i would probably be disgusted by them predator-face. But in the same way, I tried very hard. I made myself believe. But in the end, I accepted myself and I know that I cant change it, and I extremely happy with it now. | ||
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drshdwpuppet
United States332 Posts
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AutobotDan
42 Posts
On September 14 2011 21:02 ayaz2810 wrote: This was the kind of reaction I was trying to avoid. I never claimed to be a geneticist, physician, or biology guru. I was only stating how it looked to me (and probably a whole lot of other people). To be clear, I don't regard the homosexuality "defect" (still not a huge fan of that terminology) as anything that needs to be "cured" or wiped out. You are somewhat correct when you state that because I cannot fathom how homosexuality is beneficial to reproduction, that my assumption was that is was an abnormality. On the other hand, your assertion that I was trying to engage in some kind of argument.... not so much. I was just stating how it looked to me. On a more positive note, I appreciate the education you provided in more of your post. And to others that have replied, thanks for the information. Some of these posts are very thoughtful and an interesting read. Here's the thing: homosexuality varies so much among different cultures and societies in its expression, that it can't solely be biological in function. There's no universal gay identity or behavior - in fact, even in Western society, there's a great deal of variation. | ||
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Axero
United States307 Posts
On September 15 2011 01:33 drshdwpuppet wrote: It is crazy, stupid ass people like this that make me want to put on my tight leather thong and parade in the streets. Spat water all over my keyboard. | ||
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drshdwpuppet
United States332 Posts
pics incoming on your skype | ||
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Axero
United States307 Posts
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