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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-24 16:53:23
September 24 2014 16:53 GMT
#1961
edit: double
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Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
September 24 2014 17:11 GMT
#1962
So if you think beastmasters minions are bad in lane, then we agree he should change the build then? Level 1 minions might be the shittiest lvl 1 spell in the game because lvl 1 bird is awful.

And yes his boar and bird might not be the best in lane but they are really good for ganking later on. Which is what mid beastmaster should be doing imo. Plus you don't have to leave the boar in the lane, you can go stack with him. Or you can send him to one rune, and go to the other to 100% being able to deny the rune and stuff. Plus not feeding with them isn't very hard, they definitely shouldn't just be free gold.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 24 2014 17:18 GMT
#1963
3-1-1 vs 3-0-2 is basically for having your post-level 7 ranks in summons come faster so you max it at 9 rather than 10. You take bird at 4 when the lane is basically stalemated so the aura rank at 4 won't matter anyway (some bottle-crow lanes are like this, some aren't).

Sure you can do other things with the summons, but given how bottle-crow laning plays out for Beastmaster and how Axes damage vs. creeps is going down by a lot, you can't afford to lose those Axes ranks now, IMO. Lane/rune control contributes more to your ability to gank well than the summons make up for if you can't force your lane up to get runes against a hero that has a stronger nuke than you and you don't have Inner Beast attack speed working for you.
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
September 24 2014 17:23 GMT
#1964
3-2-0 is not under consideration for stacking your inner jungle without leaving lane?
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-24 17:29:01
September 24 2014 17:25 GMT
#1965
3-0-2 is good, I am just saying either you skill the minions to at least level 2 or you don't at all.

If you skill bird at level 4 you are sitting on a disgustingly useless ability for 4 levels assuming you are going Axes level 4 at level 7. And even if you skill boar at level 7, then you still sat on a useless bird for 3 levels.

On September 25 2014 02:23 Buckyman wrote:
3-2-0 is not under consideration for stacking your inner jungle without leaving lane?

This is what I do but I prefer 3 in minions cause the bird becomes so massively much better at level 3. With somewhat active micro it can be so amazingly game changing. A lot safer dives because you get flying vision over their trees behind the towers. You can spot incoming ganks and tower pushes etc.

2-3-0-1
3-2-0-1
3-0-2-1

are all fine I think.
3-1-1 is not however and that's what in the guide. 4 levels of a useless bird is a shitty skillbuild.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 24 2014 17:29 GMT
#1966
On September 25 2014 02:23 Buckyman wrote:
3-2-0 is not under consideration for stacking your inner jungle without leaving lane?

Offlane, yes. Mid, no, because the first rank of Inner Beast is hugely impactful toward how you trade/maintain creep control in mid lane.
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Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
September 24 2014 17:34 GMT
#1967
Actually scrap that, in the guide the bird is picked at level 2. So it's 6 levels of a useless bird, not just 4, my bad.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-24 21:32:33
September 24 2014 21:31 GMT
#1968
Bird is for rune and scouting.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-24 21:32:19
September 24 2014 21:32 GMT
#1969
I mean u know that a rune is gonna spawn in both spots and it doesn't scout much till level 3 in the ability
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 24 2014 21:33 GMT
#1970
On September 25 2014 06:32 Sn0_Man wrote:
I mean u know that a rune is gonna spawn in both spots and it doesn't scout much till level 3 in the ability


I assume he's talking about the guide for this patch. I haven't made any changes for next patch yet.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 24 2014 21:39 GMT
#1971
Even so, you should have Aura at 2. You don't need to scout rune more than you need Aura for laning, esp during daytime.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 24 2014 21:44 GMT
#1972
I'll apply it in the 6.82 patch wave: 2 levels aura and then max creeps by 12.
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Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
September 24 2014 22:02 GMT
#1973
On September 25 2014 06:31 Torte de Lini wrote:
Bird is for rune and scouting.

The lvl 1 bird is actually slower than CM without boots. Dies from 1 autoattack and gives gold. Doesn't have the invis ability it gets at lvl 3. Kinda hard to use it for scouting.

Plus you should have a runeward anyway so idk.

Lvl 1 bird might actually be the worst lvl 1 spell in the game. So I'm just saying that leaving it at level 1 is a pretty big mistake. Either get the boar or don't get minons at all.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-25 11:51:40
September 25 2014 04:45 GMT
#1974
edit
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-25 11:51:55
September 25 2014 04:58 GMT
#1975
ed
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-25 11:52:13
September 25 2014 07:48 GMT
#1976
edit
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OmegaPython
Profile Joined September 2014
Australia8 Posts
September 25 2014 10:10 GMT
#1977
What is your reasoning for that Riki skill build? It seems that your damage is going to be really mediocre until you get higher levels of Backstab, although I guess you can't make very good use of it until you get Blink Strike now anyway. I guess you just farm in lane for longer?
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-25 11:46:44
September 25 2014 10:22 GMT
#1978
On September 25 2014 19:10 OmegaPython wrote:
What is your reasoning for that Riki skill build? It seems that your damage is going to be really mediocre until you get higher levels of Backstab, although I guess you can't make very good use of it until you get Blink Strike now anyway. I guess you just farm in lane for longer?


edit
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 25 2014 11:19 GMT
#1979
Torte, you need to max Backstab now to maximize your level 6 burst. Permanent Invis is primarily a 1-point engagement skill. The hero's damage-dealing capacity rests heavily on Ulti burst.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-25 11:44:41
September 25 2014 11:41 GMT
#1980
On September 25 2014 20:19 TheYango wrote:
Torte, you need to max Backstab now to maximize your level 6 burst. Permanent Invis is primarily a 1-point engagement skill. The hero's damage-dealing capacity rests heavily on Ulti burst.


What's the full skill build order.

edit: I see, I understood that Blink Strike had charges and a 30 second cooldown period, I misread.
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