In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 100

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

September 25 2014 11:51 GMT

#1981

Initial Thoughts and Changes

Hero Guides Unchanged:
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Ancient Apparition (Lane/Middle)
Anti-Mage
Batrider
Bounty Hunter (Description Change)
Broodmother (Description Change)
Chaos Knight
Dark Seer
Dazzle
Death Prophet
Disruptor
Drow Ranger (Butterfly Description Change)
Earthshaker
Enchantress
Ember Spirit
Enigma
Faceless Void (Chronosphere Description change)
Gyrocopter (Mid build/Max Missile)
Juggernaut
IO
Kunkka
Legion Commander
Lich
Lifestealer
Lion
Lycan (garbage)
Magnus
Naga Siren
Nightstalker
Pugna (Ultimate description change)
Queen of Pain
Shadow Demon
Skywrath Mage (descriptions)
Slark (ultimate description)
Sniper (description)
Spectre
Spirit Breaker (ability description changes)
Techies
Troll Warlord
Tusk (Description changes)
Ursa
Vengeful Spirit
Weaver
Windranger
Wraith King
Keeper (description)

Hero Guides Ability Change:
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Brewmaster (Drunken Brawler pre-6)
Jakiro (Dual Breath before Ice Path?)
Riki (entire ability rebuild + descriptions)
Shadow Shaman (Hex or Shackles pre-6)

Hero Guides Item Build Change:
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Abaddon (Meka/Soul Ring/Vanguard/Crimson Guard??)
Axe (Meka/Soul Ring/Vanguard/Crimson Guard)
Bane (Aghanim's Scepter)
Clinkz (orb effect attacks [deso/HOTD])
Clockwerk (Mekansm, Soul Ring, Vanguard, Crimson Guard)
Doom (Aghanim's Scepter/Description change not affecting passives)
Elder Titan (Aghanim's Scepter, Meka/Vanguard/Crimson Guard/Soul Ring/Urn of Shadows)
Bristleback (Vanguard/Crimson Guard)
Centaur Warrunner (Vanguard/Crimson Guard)
Slardar (Vanguard/Crimson Guard)
Lina (Bloodstone?)
Medusa (Butterfly)
Meepo (Vanguard/Crimson Guard)
Necrophos (Vanguard/Crimson Guard)
Omniknight (Vanguard/Crimson Guard)
Nyx Assassin (Blink Dagger)
Outworld Devourer (remove Mekansm)
Phoenix (Aghanim's Scepter - Situational?, Ring of Protection - Starting items)
Puck (Aghanim's Scepter - Extension items)
Pudge (Tranquil Boots/Remove Phase)
Visage (Ring of Protection - starting items)
Razor (Meka/Vanguard/Crimson Guard, Butterfly)
Shadow Fiend (Butterfly)
Luna (Butterfly)
Silencer (Meka, Item Build rework maybe?)
Storm Spirit (Soul Ring)
Sven (Aghanim's Scepter - Situational)
Templar Assassin (MKB to Situational Items)
Tidehunter (Meka/Vanguard/Crimson Guard)
Timbersaw (Aghanim's Scepter, Soul Ring)
Tinker (Bloodstone)
Treant Protector (Soul Ring, Aghanim's Scepter, Vanguard/Crimson Guard)
Undying (Meka/Vanguard/Crimson Guard, Aghanim's Scepter, description changes)
Venomancer (Alternative core build revolving around blink + Aghanim's?, description change)
Witch Doctor (Soul Ring)
Zeus (Blink Dagger)
Viper (Ring of Protection/Vanguard/Crimson Guard)
Ogre Magi (Soul Ring, Mid guide?)

Hero Guides Complete Revision:
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Alchemist (remove Greevil's Gold item section ability [lvl2], rework Support/Ganker item builds and section to more traditional)
Bloodseeker (lfjbwafhgwhbgpauphrpgfhw, added blademail/euls?) - Do lane guide
Chen (Aghanim's Core, Holy Persuasion Description rewrite, Lane Guide?)
Earth Spirit (Lane Guide, Aghanim's Scepter, Description Change, Item Build)
Huskar (Item rework, ability description rework)
Invoker (ohgnpanpgn) - no idea
Lone Druid (bear rework holy shit)
Mirana (Butterfly)
Leshrac (early Soul Ring/Bloodstone - Ability Pulse Nova check)
Phantom Lancer (wafwhn;gw)
Nature's Prophet (Butterfly, Remove Item Build Sections + Descriptions)
Warlock (Mid guide)
Beastmaster (Ancients pulling remove, Meka/Soul Ring/Vanguard/Crimson Guard + Mid guide lvl 2 aura then max creeps, Medallion Situational or Early Game)

Items to consider (when editing guides):
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Crimson Guard
Vanguard
Cloak/Hood of Defiance/Pipe of Insight (additive effects)
Bloodstone
Blink Dagger
Aghanim's Scepter
Mekansm (replace/remove)
Ring of Protection (replace/remove)
Butterfly (change description)
Bottle (dual runes)

I'll updating this section throughout the day [it's 6:30 AM here so I got tons of time to work]

Changes not final and subject to change pre and post-patch release
Feedback severely appreciated. I will be working on this all day.

- 6:00-9:00 Draft done
- 9:00-10:00 Formatting/Update done (Excel Sheet, Front Page, Patch Notes)
- 10:00-3:00 Breakfast/Lunch, Gathering opinions/feedback/ideas/advice
- Day 2: 6:00 to 10:00 Breakfast, Draft Initial Title Changes to Unchanged Hero Guides
- Day 2: 10:00 to 3:00 Hero, Item and Build Changes

New Colour for 6.82 picked out (blue)

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

September 25 2014 11:52 GMT

#1982

I'll be making some guide changes now, they won't be published until patch day to avoid confusion to any subscribers. But in case you guys need to see the guides in full, I can provide images without a problem.

I'm also making a few new guides [in anticipation for the new changes]:
Ogre Magi Mid
Bloodseeker Lane,
Earth Spirit Lane,
Chen Lane (if it it makes sense),
Warlock Mid guide,
Gyrocopter Mid

I also have to do some job applications so midway I'll take a break.
I want to note that these guides still lack ratings. Technically, they are in the client but not in the listing due to other guides being higher (most are now 70+). So if you could, in good conscience, rate them up, more users would use them and we can push down the 2013 shitty non-updated guides that still stay at the top (aka DMX garbage). This system is really fucking annoying and terrible:

Kunkka (Middle) Build
Weaver (Lane) Build
Dragon Knight (Middle) Build
Skywrath Mage (Lane) Build
Tusk (Middle) Build
Naga Siren (Middle) Build
Elder Titan (Lane) Build
Ursa (Lane) Build
Nyx Assassin (Lane) Build
Axe (Jungle) Build
Ember Spirit (Middle) Build
Lifestealer (Lane) Build
Shadow Shaman (Middle) Build
Earth Spirit (Middle) Build

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

September 25 2014 11:52 GMT

#1983

Hero Guide Changes and Patch Notes (applied)

Guides that only receive title and "last updated" changes (plus minor description changes) are not listed here

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Abaddon
Ancient Apparition (Lane/Middle)
Anti-Mage
Brewmaster
Broodmother
Chaos Knight
Chen
Clockwerk (replace Mekansm with Crimson Guard?)
Dark Seer (add bottle?)
Dazzle
Death Prophet
Disruptor
Dragon Knight (Lane/Middle)
Drow Ranger
Ember Spirit (Lane/Middle) (add bottle [Lane]?)
Enigma
Faceless Void
Gyrocopter
Huskar
Invoker
Juggernaut
Kunkka (Lane/Middle)
Lich
Lifestealer (Jungle/Lane)
Lina
Lion
Luna
Lycan (Jungle/Lane)
Magnus
Medusa
Mirana
Morphling
Naga Siren (Lane/Middle)
Nightstalker
Nyx Assassin (Jungle/Lane)
Phantom Assassin
Pugna
Razor
Sand King
Shadow Demon
Shadow Fiend
Shadow Shaman (Lane/Middle)
Silencer
Skywrath Mage (Middle)
Slardar
Slark (Middle)
Spectre
Terrorblade
Tinker
Tiny (Lane/Middle)
Tusk (Lane/Middle)
Ursa (Jungle/Lane)
Vengeful Spirit
Witch Doctor
Wraith King
Zeus

Hero, Item and Skill Build Changes (6.82)

Alchemist
Reworked entire item build section
New Skill Build: W Q E W W R W Q Q Q R E E E (1. Unstable Concoction 2. Acid Spray 3. Greevil's Greed)
Removed previous tabs Carry/Ganker/Support
Added Soul Ring to Core Items
Added Malestrom to Core Items
Added Basher to Core Items
Added Mjollnir to Extension Items
Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items
Added Daedalus to Extension Items
Removed Satanic
Added Heaven's Halberd to Situational Items
Added Assault Cuirass to Situaitonal Items
Moved Butterfly to Situational Items
Moved Medallion of Courage to Situational Items

Axe (Jungle/Lane)
Removed Vanguard
Removed Hood of Defiance
Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items
Added Crimson Guard to Situational Items

Bane
Necromonicon moved to Situational Items
Aghanim's Scepter added to Core Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items
Removed Ghost Scepter

Beastmaster
change hero description to reflect you can now stack ancients on radiant or dire
New Skill Build: Q W Q W Q R Q W W E R E E E (1. Whirling Axes 2. Call of the Wild 3. Inner Beast)

Bounty Hunter
Added Bottle to Situational Items
Updated Track description

Bristleback
Mekansm still stays on Bristleback
Added Crimson Guard to Situational Items
Removed Vanguard

Centaur Warrunner
Removed Mekansm
Added Crimson Guard to Situational Items

Clinkz
Added new tab: Situational Items
Added Helm of the Dominator to Core Items
Added Diffusal Blade to Situational Items
Added Satanic to Extension Items
Moved Monkey King Bar to Extension Items
Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items

Crystal Maiden
Removed Bracer
Moved Urn of Shadows to Core Items

Doom (Jungle)
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Situational Items

Doom (Lane)
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Situational Items

Earthshaker
Added Bottle to Early Game
Removed 3x Clarity
Removed Urn of Shadows
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items
Added Refresher's Orb to Extension Items

Earth Spirit
Removed Mekansm
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items

Enchantress
Moved Force Staff to Core Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items
Added Urn of Shadows to Core Items
Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items
Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Removed Rod of Atos
Removed Mekansm to Situational Items
Removed Eul's Scepter of Divinity
Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items

IO
Added Bottle to Situational Items (maybe core instead?)
Removed Soul Ring

Jakiro
New Skill Build: E W E Q E R E Q Q Q R W W W (1. Liquid Fire 2. Dual Breath 3. Ice Path)

Keeper of the Light
New Skill Build: Q E E Q W R Q Q E E R W W W R (1. Illuminate 2. Chakra Magic 3. Mana Leak)
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items

Legion Commander (Jungle/Middle)
Added Armlet of Mordiggan to Situational Items
Added Malestrom to Situational Items
Removed Heart of Tarrasque
Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items

Leshrac (Middle)
Removed Tab: Core Items - Carry (will make separate mid guide)

Meepo
Removed Assault Cuirass

Nature's Prophet
Reworked entire item build section
Added Treads to Core Items
Moved Desolator to Core Items
Added Black King Bar to Core Items
Added Mjollnir to Situational Items
Moved Necromonicon to Extension Items
Added Shadow Blade to Situational Items
Added Orchid of Malevolence to Situational Items
Added Monkey King Bar to Situational Items
Added Daedalus to Extension Items
Added Maelstrom to Core Items

Necrophos
Added Crimson Guard to Situational Items

Omniknight
Added Crimson Guard to Situational Items

Outworld Devourer
Removed Mekansm
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items

Phoenix (Lane/Middle)
Removed Necromonic
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Situational Items

Puck
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items

Pudge
Add wand to Early Game or Ring of Protection to Starting Items?
Removed Phase Boots
Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items
Added Magic Wand to Early Game

Riki
New Skill Build: W E E Q E R E W W W R Q Q Q (1. Backstab 2. Permanent Invisibility 3. Smoke Screen)
Removed Healing Salve
Added 3x Iron Branch
Added Magic Wand to Early Game
Added Orb of Venom to Utility Items
Updated Descriptions for Blink Strike and Permanent Invisibility

Rubick
Added Bottle to Situational Items

Spirit Breaker
New Skill Build: Q W E Q Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Charge of Darkness 2. Empowering Haste 3. Greater Bash)

Sven
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Situational Items

Skywrath Mage (Lane)
Added Bottle to Situational Items
Removed Urn of Shadows

Slark (Lane)
Removed Healing Salve
Added Iron Branch to Starting Items

Sniper (Lane)
Removed Healing Salve
Added Ring of Protection

Storm Spirit
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Added Soul Ring to Core Items - Bloodstone (SR -> Arcane -> Bloodstone)

Techies
Moved Bloodstone to Extension Items (previous Extensive Extension Items)

Templar Assassin
Moved Monkey King Bar to Situational Items

Tidehunter
Removed Mekansm
Added Crimson Guard to Situational Items

Timbersaw
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items

Troll Warlord
for some reason, there were no extension items written here...
Added Butterfly to Extension Items
Added Satanic to Extension Items
Added Daedalus to Extension Items
Added Heaven's Halberd to Situational Items
Added Sange & Yasha to Situational Items
Created new tab: Roshan at Level 11
Created new tab: Start Jungling
Moved Helm of the Dominator to tab "Roshan at Level 11"
Moved Morbid Mask to tab "Start Jungling"

Undying
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items

Venomancer
Created New Tab: Core Items - Aghanim's
Added Blink Dagger to Core Items - Aghanim's
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items - Aghanim's
Added Arcane Boots to Core Items - Aghanim's

Viper
Removed Circlet of Nobility
Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items

Visage
Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items
Moved Rod of Atos to Situational Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items
Removed Iron Branch

Weaver (Lane/Middle)
Removed Tango
Removed Ring of Protection
Moved Ring of Aquila to Situational Items

Newly Released Guides (Feedback and Ratings appreciated)
New guides are always up for change and not final. Changes will follow as further testing continues.

New Guide
Ogre Magi (Middle)

Skill Build: (1. 2. 3. )
Starting Items:
Early Game:
Core Items:
Situational Items:
Extension Items:

New Guide

Gyrocopter (Middle)

Skill Build: (1. 2. 3. )
Starting Items:
Early Game:
Core Items:
Situational Items:
Extension Items:

New Guide
Earth Spirit (Lane)

Skill Build: (1. 2. 3. )
Starting Items:
Early Game:
Core Items:
Situational Items:
Extension Items:

New Guide

Warlock (Middle)

Skill Build: (1. 2. 3. )
Starting Items:
Early Game:
Core Items:
Situational Items:
Extension Items:

New Guide

Bloodseeker (Lane)

Skill Build: (1. 2. 3. )
Starting Items:
Early Game:
Core Items:
Situational Items:
Extension Items:

New Guide

Sniper (Middle)

Skill Build: (1. 2. 3. )
Starting Items:
Early Game:
Core Items:
Situational Items:
Extension Items:

New Guide

Phantom Lancer (Middle)

To be decided/tested
Skill Build: (1. 2. 3. )
Starting Items:
Early Game:
Core Items:
Situational Items:
Extension Items:

New Guide
Leshrac (Middle)

To be decided/tested
Skill Build: (1. 2. 3. )
Starting Items:
Early Game:
Core Items:
Situational Items:
Extension Items:

BobMcJohnson

France2916 Posts

September 25 2014 12:17 GMT

#1984

Not sure about Aghs core on Bane. I mean it's new and cute but Bkb kinda serves the same purpose, is a bit cheaper and probably better too. Once you have Blink+Bkb, Aghs is cool, but when are you going to have this amount of farm on bane.

I think you should wait a bit to see how it plays out once the patch is live before actually changing it.

Same thing for aghs on Puck. I think you're a bit too trigger happy with adding aghs on heroes that just got a new one.

wrathofanima

United Kingdom7 Posts

September 25 2014 12:23 GMT

#1985

Aghanim's Puck is definitely strong but it feels more like a way to punish BKB abuse than a dump of 4.2k gold for a longer stun duration. Good situational, wouldn't like to see it every game though.

Buckyman

1364 Posts

September 25 2014 13:04 GMT

#1986

Is the Sniper Mid going to max Shrapnel first, or use the older Headshot skill build?

Also, I second a core bottle on IO.

Jinxed

United States6450 Posts

September 25 2014 13:20 GMT

#1987

On September 25 2014 21:17 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Not sure about Aghs core on Bane. I mean it's new and cute but Bkb kinda serves the same purpose, is a bit cheaper and probably better too. Once you have Blink+Bkb, Aghs is cool, but when are you going to have this amount of farm on bane.

I think you should wait a bit to see how it plays out once the patch is live before actually changing it.

Same thing for aghs on Puck. I think you're a bit too trigger happy with adding aghs on heroes that just got a new one.

This. 100% this.

Bane is a support and a great controlling one at that. AGS is cute but it isn't practical at all. Blink force and ghost are all better items on him as just staying alive in a fight makes him a threat.

Also I can't see the guide, but if it has soul ring anymore I will hunt you down and murderize you.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

September 25 2014 13:31 GMT

#1988

I will respond to posts in a little bit. I've been updating these guides and reading feedback/opinions/videos since 6am to now 3am.

I left a bunch of inquiries in the update post and will continue in about 3-4 hours from now.

sorry, just very tired.

govie

9334 Posts

September 25 2014 13:37 GMT

#1989

Buckymans bottle suggestion sounds quite interesting.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

September 25 2014 14:17 GMT

#1990

wat did u do to furions items?

treads/bkb/deso none of those are "core" :/

Mek is still super good on OD in many situations

tehh4ck3r

Magrathea7080 Posts

September 25 2014 15:02 GMT

#1991

IMO Silencer's item build should just be the aghs --> refresher rush

Gyro mid skill build should be max Homing Missile and Rocket Barrage (be 1-3-1-1 at level 6)

Kinetik_Inferno

United States1431 Posts

September 25 2014 19:38 GMT

#1992

Mr Torte, I would swap the location of skadi and heart for meepo. I play blink/aghs/ethereal meepo a lot and when I need bulk I usually go for skadi, as that gives me armor and very significant dps. Very rarely do I need a fat stack of 40 strength.

Any dps you get on meepo is multiplied by 5, which means he can hit like a truck on crack if he has good agility.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

September 25 2014 19:43 GMT

#1993

Mass gaming a hero and never varying your item build doesn't mean that it's the correct item build.

Hex is better than E-blade, for example. But you seem to never get hex and always get E-blade.

AC and Mek should come off that guide though, and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T PUT VG OR CG ON MEEPO

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

September 25 2014 21:41 GMT

#1994

Wow, my sleep schedule is just fucked-up.

Aghs core on Bane is interesting. BKB and AGHs dont serve the same thing: Ghost Scepter and Aghs do, but you're ignoring the other part of Aghs. I'll remove it regardless as the damage and mana gain is decent.

On September 25 2014 21:23 wrathofanima wrote:
Aghanim's Puck is definitely strong but it feels more like a way to punish BKB abuse than a dump of 4.2k gold for a longer stun duration. Good situational, wouldn't like to see it every game though.

Puck after Blink doesn't have many options. I'll keep it as an option in Extension.

On September 25 2014 22:04 Buckyman wrote:
Is the Sniper Mid going to max Shrapnel first, or use the older Headshot skill build?

Also, I second a core bottle on IO.

I haven't decided on Sniper yet. Probably older Headshot skill build since it isn't necessarily bad, just decent. One in Shrapnel however. I'm not sure, as you can get towers with Shrapnel...

On September 25 2014 22:37 govie wrote:
Buckymans bottle suggestion sounds quite interesting.

I'm strongly considering it. There are a lot of items for IO so it might just be situational.

On September 25 2014 23:17 Sn0_Man wrote:
wat did u do to furions items?

treads/bkb/deso none of those are "core" :/

Mek is still super good on OD in many situations

Too many items and builds, it was a massive clusterfuck.
Treads is situationally good with Phase Boots, I might swap them back.
BKB is situationally good, depending on how you play, so it'll get swapped out
Deso is great overall, might be my preference but it knocks out towers well and can serve in team-fights.

I'll add Mek back to OD.

On September 26 2014 00:02 tehh4ck3r wrote:
IMO Silencer's item build should just be the aghs --> refresher rush

Gyro mid skill build should be max Homing Missile and Rocket Barrage (be 1-3-1-1 at level 6)

I don't think that's accurate.

For Gyro, that's what I'm intending to do yeah.

On September 26 2014 04:38 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:
Mr Torte, I would swap the location of skadi and heart for meepo. I play blink/aghs/ethereal meepo a lot and when I need bulk I usually go for skadi, as that gives me armor and very significant dps. Very rarely do I need a fat stack of 40 strength.

Any dps you get on meepo is multiplied by 5, which means he can hit like a truck on crack if he has good agility.

He hits like a truck already however. Strength is definitely something for meepo as his damage output isn't the problem but always his survivability.

[b]

On September 26 2014 04:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
Mass gaming a hero and never varying your item build doesn't mean that it's the correct item build.

Hex is better than E-blade, for example. But you seem to never get hex and always get E-blade.

AC and Mek should come off that guide though, and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T PUT VG OR CG ON MEEPO

I've asked others and Mek is situationally good and so is AC. Meepo gets a lot of preference on how people like to play him at the 5k level, so I like to keep all options open in this regard.

OmegaPython

Australia8 Posts

September 25 2014 21:42 GMT

#1995

Regarding Phantom Lancer:
I've played around with him a bit and it seems the best skill build is 1-1-1, then max Q->-E->W. Items are probably mostly the same, Treads as your boots and then Diffusal. Mid with a bottle is fairly decent, he can get kills and even dive fairly well. Crimson Guard might be situational, although I haven't tested it, and it seems not as good with the reduced illusion duration.
I think PL is now more of a early game ganker, who can carry well later.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

September 25 2014 21:42 GMT

#1996

Mek got a lot WORSE though.

AC's never been justifiable whoever implied that it is is silly. Maybe if they have an ET but thats wayyyyyyy too obscure.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

September 25 2014 21:47 GMT

#1997

On September 26 2014 06:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
Mek got a lot WORSE though.

AC's never been justifiable whoever implied that it is is silly. Maybe if they have an ET but thats wayyyyyyy too obscure.

That's true.

Why not AC?

On September 26 2014 06:42 OmegaPython wrote:
Regarding Phantom Lancer:
I've played around with him a bit and it seems the best skill build is 1-1-1, then max Q->-E->W. Items are probably mostly the same, Treads as your boots and then Diffusal. Mid with a bottle is fairly decent, he can get kills and even dive fairly well. Crimson Guard might be situational, although I haven't tested it, and it seems not as good with the reduced illusion duration.
I think PL is now more of a early game ganker, who can carry well later.

Interesting, thanks! I'll have to try him!

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

September 25 2014 21:49 GMT

#1998

Its strictly worse than an Eblade. Only on the main meepo is it marginally better in terms of attackspeed and armor. Ignoring the -armor effect true but all ur other meepos get more ias, armor, and damage from Eblade by quite a bit, for a cheaper item overall. And they don't need to be in the aura aoe.

Buckyman

1364 Posts

September 25 2014 21:55 GMT

#1999

On September 26 2014 06:41 Torte de Lini wrote:

I haven't decided on Sniper yet. Probably older Headshot skill build since it isn't necessarily bad, just decent. One in Shrapnel however. I'm not sure, as you can get towers with Shrapnel...

Here's the statistical argument for max Shrapnel. Also, the Shrapnel build is dominant in the 1v1 mid mode, because it takes the enemy t1 tower in a slow but safe and hard-to-stop manner.

On September 26 2014 06:41 Torte de Lini wrote:

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I'm strongly considering it. There are a lot of items for IO so it might just be situational.

Bottle seems to be dominant in pro games, replacing wand. Tether bottle is just that strong in dual lanes, and between the ability to refill it with a relocate and double runes post-patch, it probably also outperforms the urn.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

September 25 2014 21:55 GMT

#2000

On September 26 2014 06:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
Its strictly worse than an Eblade. Only on the main meepo is it marginally better in terms of attackspeed and armor. Ignoring the -armor effect true but all ur other meepos get more ias, armor, and damage from Eblade by quite a bit, for a cheaper item overall. And they don't need to be in the aura aoe.

Ah, for some reason I thought the meepos got the armor (but rather, they just get the aura).

OD: Re-added Meka
Bane: Moved Aghs to Situational, Added BKB to Core
NP: Moved Shadow Blade and BKB to Situational, added Phase to Core instead of Treads.
Meepo: removed Assault Cuirass

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