In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 250

On December 18 2015 10:43 Torte de Lini wrote:
Currently on the way back from the Grand Canyon. Very limited internet, so hopefully this goes through:

Need help with:

1. Feedback on notes written below
2. How to build heroes with their new abilities (Faceless Void, Doom, etc.)
3. Which heroes best use the four new items (and which slot do the items go in [Situational, Early, etc.])
4. Anything I may have missed.

Going to improve this tonight, on my flight back and try to apply the changes the moment I drop my bags home.

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Ability Changes:

Crystal Maiden (earlier Arcane Aura?)
Dazzle (revert to Poison Touch max, Shallow Grave last)
Invoker (ability order completed changed)
Outworld Devourer (Astral Imprisonment change + Arcane Orb; max Arcane Orb? Update Descriptions)
Riki (New abilities + update descriptions: Perm. Invis maxed first)
Terrorblade (double-check ability build)
Wraith King (value point in Vampric Aura, update description)


Item Changes:

Bristleback (Include Aghanim’s Scepter)
Clinkz (consider non-Deso build)
Drow Ranger (Manta Style + Aghanim’s Scepter?)
Earth Spirit (int. reduced -> arcane boots?, update Geomagnetic Grip Agh’s change)
Huksar (reduced Berserker’s Blood -> potentially item purchase order change)
Legion of Commander (Agh’s -> Luxury Items?)
Magnus: Add Aghanim’s to Extension Items
Night Stalker (more carry oriented items; see feedback)
Shadow Fiend (maybe Agh’s, Luxury Items? Not feeling its value though)
Sven (move away from MoM; see feedback)
Vengeful Spirit (double-check if Aghanim’s, description update)


Just Description Changes:

Beastmaster (Lane/Middle): Wild Axes targeting change
Lycan (Jungle/Lane): Update Lycan Wolves, Shapeshift changes
Medusa: Mystic Snake description changes
Oracle (Lane/Middle): Update Fortune’s End)
Pudge (update Aghanim’s Scepter)
Slardar (typo to general hero description)
Tidehunter (add Aghanim’s Scepter to Extension Items)
Tiny (double-check Craggy Exterior description)
Winter Wyvern (update Winter’s Curse description)
Iron Branch new ability; its potential uses (which is?), tango synergy
Tangoes; double regen on Iron Branch tree
Orb of Venom no longer UAM; double-check


All Changes:

Alchemist (Midlde): Octarine Core build
Death Prophet (new ability, new description, potentially new item build)
Doom (Jungle) (re-max Q, new ability, new descriptions and potentially new item build)
Doom (Lane) (new ability, new description, potentially new item build)
Faceless Void (new ability, new description for Timewalk and potentially new item build)
Kunkka (max Tidebringer first? Update descriptions for Tidebringer + Torrent and potentially new item build, add Aghanim’s?)
Lone Druid (Lane/Jungle): New Ability + description, maybe item build and maybe ability build)
Sand King (Aghanim’s delayed? Update description for Agh’s, Max Caustic Finale earlier for Agh’s timing?)
Silencer (Lane/Middle): Arcane Curse new ability and description, ability build changed to max Arcane Curse 2nd?, add extension orb items due to Glaives of Wisdom no longer orb?


New Item Hero Application:

Faerie Fire:
Starting or Early Game Items:
Junglers, carries that need last-hitting in lane (low HP pool)

Dragon Lance:
Core or Situational Items
Ranged Carries (Sniper, Drow Ranger) who want more survivability

Aether Lens:
Extension Items
Initiators
Nuke Casters (Lina, Zeus)

Iron Talon:
Early Game
Situational Items
Late-Game Carries (Phantom Assassin, Anti-Mage), may replace Battlefury; replace split-carries (Naga/Alchemist), etc.


Key Notes:

Change Name to 6.86
Add another Observer Ward to Starting Items for key heroes
Add (Middle/Lane/Jungle) to Core Items tab
Consider Bottle to Side-Lane Heroes
Re-adjust Starting Items for Supports due to Animal Courier cost
Consider Crimson Guard on tanky heroes (Tidehunter, Bristleback, Magnus, Beastmaster, Centaur Warrunner, Treant Protector, etc.)
Consider Hood of Defiance on tanky heroes (Pudge, Centaur Warrunner, etc.)
Quelling Blade cost reduced; double-check Jungle heroes (Ursa, Doom, Lifestealer, Lycan); add healing salve if possible starting items
See where Rod of Atos fits on situational items for heroes
Veil of Discord on Silencer, Outworld Devourer, Skywrath Mage; whichever hero gains from int/damage.
Crimson Guard double-check on Centaur, etc. (other tanky heroes, double-check)

Unchanged Heroes:

Bane
Batrider
Bloodseeker (Lane/Middle/Jungle)
Bounty Hunter
Broodmother
Centaur Warrunner
Chaos Knight
Chen
Dark Seer
Dragon Knight (Lane/Middle)
Ember Spirit (Lane/Middle)
Enchantress
Gyrocopter (Lane/Middle)
Jakiro
Keeper of the Light
Lifestealer (Jungle/Lifestealer)
Lion
Luna
Meepo
Mirana
Morphling
Naga Siren (Lane/Middle)
Nature’s Prophet
Necrophos
Nyx Assassin (Lane/Middle)
Ogre Magi (holy shit insane tank)
Phantom Assassin
Phoenix (Lane/Middle)
Puck
Pugna
Queen of Pain
Rubick
Shadow Demon
Shadow Shaman (Lane/Middle)
Skywrath Mage (Lane/Middle)
Slardar
Storm Spirit (check if get 1 point in CC/Static Grapple)
Templar Assassin
Timbersaw
Tinker
Treant Protector
Troll Warlord (Lane/Middle)
Tusk
Undying
Ursa (Lane/Jungle)
Venomancer
Visage
Warlock (Lane/Middle)
Weaver (Lane/Middle)
Windranger (Lane/Middle)
Witch Doctor

On December 19 2015 00:19 Buckyman wrote:
My starting item review used the new price of couriers (and other items). Also, I think Tango+Talon start is the new jungle way for several heroes like Doom.


I'll try it, but I think I'd still prefer Shiva's in the cases where I'd want it.

On December 19 2015 01:00 Sn0_Man wrote:
aghs is super good on venge
shivas is below basement tier lmfao

bristle shouldn't buy aghs I dont' think. RTZ bought it at wca but I don't think that was terribly serious and it was definitely awful

clinkz build definitely doesn't change

Stop thinking that the existence of an aghs upgrade justifies it as an item you build. LC aghs continues to blow, SF aghs literally doesn't exist, etc.

lens isn't good on "nuke casters" per se. It's good on heroes who's ability to fight will be seriously increased by 200 range. Personally, I feel like the sweet spot is abilities with 4-600 range that are now much more viable from the back of fights. Heroes like witchdoctor who can now open from smoke with his Q (used to be too low range), reasonably expect to cast maledict (again, range issues), and get an ult off from a safe location MUCH easier. Not that it's an every game item on the hero but it's simply just very good. Also ogre, who literally can't stun anybody without it, pugna who has difficulty casting spells on heroes without being in melee range, etc. Others have mentioned bane and I agree there too. Not necessarily a core item on these heroes (remains to be seen) but a very powerful option.

Its actually just bad on zeus imo. That hero has tons of range on his spells already and needs other items etc.

Faerie fire blows like 98% of games i think

iron talon is super good but it's NOT a bfury replacement. Any hero who bought bfury buys it to clear waves which talon DOES NOT DO. talon is a nice upgrade for qb for NON BFURY heroes. Like spectre. Talon's INSANE on spectre allowing her to farm muuuuuch faster early with like no items. Also good on every jungler who hits creeps (most of whom felt invalid before but now... lycan, lone druid, furion, even LC and Lifestealer are decent speed).

On December 19 2015 15:51 Buckyman wrote:
I personally use Arcane because it helps teammates who can't manage their mana. This might be an artifact of my MMR.