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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 14 2015 06:40 GMT
#4941
Publishing tomorrow, stats were done today; will release full summary tomorrow.

110 million achieved. Tidehunter expected to hit 1 million tomorrow as well.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 14 2015 06:41 GMT
#4942
Lycan (Lane)
Lycan (Jungle)
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Smoke of Deceit to "Utility Items"
Removed Skull Basher

Shadow Shaman (Lane)
Added Glimer Cape to Extension Items
Moved Urn of Shadows to Situational Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items
Removed Mekansm
Removed Black King Bar
Removed Shiva's Guard
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Shadow Shaman (Middle)
New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Ether Shock 2. Shackles 3. Hex)
Added Magic Wand to Core Items
Added Urn of Shadows to Situational Items
Added Glimmer Cape to Extension Items
Added Force Staff to Extension Items
Moved Bottle to Situational Items
Removed Black King Bar
Removed Mekansm
Removed Shiva's Guard
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Skywrath Mage (Lane)
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Added Veil of Discord to Extension Items
Moved Urn of Shadows to Core Items
Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items
Moved Rod of Atos to Extension Items
Removed Tranquil Boots
Removed Null Talisman
Removed Scythe of Vyse
Removed Ethereal Blade


Skywrath Mage (Middle)
Added Power Treads to Core Items
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Added Veil of Discord to Extension Items
Moved Urn of Shadows to Core Items
Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items
Moved Rod of Atos to Extension Items
Removed Arcane Boots
Removed Scythe of Vyse
Removed Ethereal Blade

Witch Doctor
Added Arcane Boots to Core Items
Removed Power Treads

Slark (Middle)
Created New Tab: "Luxury Items"
Added Ring of Aquila to Core Items
Added Monkey King Bar to "Luxury Items"
Added Moon Shard to "Luxury Items"
Added Linken's Sphere to "Luxury Items"
Added Boots of Travel - Level 2 to "Luxury Items"
Removed Orchid of Malevolence
Removed Satanic

Slark (Lane)
Created New Tab: "Luxury Items"
Added Monkey King Bar to "Luxury Items"
Added Moon Shard to "Luxury Items"
Added Linken's Sphere to "Luxury Items"
Added Boots of Travel - Level 2 to "Luxury Items"
Removed Orchid of Malevolence
Removed Satanic

Alchemist (Lane)
Removed Battlefury
Removed Blade Mail

Alchemist (Middle)
Removed Blade Mail

Double-Check:
Lycan (Lane)
Lycan (Jungle) -- Itemization may be in an incorrect order; outdated with how he is played now. Improve Extension Item choices.

Night Stalker -- I don't understand his item build which is geared towards Urn, Drums, Aghs or Vlad's. Consider Hand of Midas?

Earth Spirit (Lane)
Earth Spirit (Middle) -- Very likely outdated itemization.

Sven -- Revise entire build



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All Hero Builds have been completely rewritten!

Took from September 28 to November 29 to rewrite over 145 Hero Builds (approx. 29 items and 4 abilities per hero + general hero summary), equaling over 235,000+ words written.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
December 14 2015 13:16 GMT
#4943
woah whys linkens a luxury item for slark? it should be situational
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
December 14 2015 13:39 GMT
#4944
Whats the point of having 1st lvl of Crippling Fear lvl7 rather than maxing nuke by lvl7? I would rather see value point in Crippling Fear lvl2 or lvl4 or as late as lvl8. For items Blademail seems odd, i dont like it on night stalker. There is also no Drums in guide Night Stalker even tho u just mentioned it? I dont think u should try to get early aghs as mid NS, it feels like u are wasting core position farm for something that doesnt increase ur teams damage output at all.

For Sven i would remove Aghs and HH since u are expecting Sven to be the hard carry, not the utility hero. I would also have Blink as a core rather than situational. Heart is debatable but i think Satanic makes more sense (obviously replace mom with it as a last item)

If u really want to have something in ur situational items (because i just removed Blink HH and Aghs from there XD) u could have SnY and maybe AC there.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
December 14 2015 14:01 GMT
#4945
sven: blink to core, ac to extension. mkb/abyssal to luxury/situational. add sny to situational maybe. idk i play him with blink hotd sny crit ac #svenending
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7063 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-14 15:17:01
December 14 2015 15:16 GMT
#4946
nowadays on Sven I would say hotd blink s&y is core, MoM and armlet are situational, extension should be AC, big crit, abyssal/mkb and satanic
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 14 2015 15:26 GMT
#4947
AC sux on sven compared to moonshard
u have a "20 armor to my whole team" button. Even when warcry is down, ur own armor situation with hotd+sny isn't that bad really.
BKB's pretty core at some point.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-14 15:47:20
December 14 2015 15:43 GMT
#4948
On December 15 2015 00:26 Sn0_Man wrote:
AC sux on sven compared to moonshard

It depends because there's really 2 ways of playing Sven and it depends on what the teamcomps look like.

There's the "I can blink and blow up everyone and they can't do anything about it" way which is better if your team has ways to help you set up and if the enemy doesn't have a whole lot of stuff to lock you down (e.g. no BKB-piercing disables). For this Moon Shard is good and you tend to prioritize damage items higher in general (earlier Blink, later BKB, earlier Crit, etc.).

Then there's the "I can't do shit by myself against their team but if I'm unkillable my team can win the game" way, which isn't as good but sometimes is necessary when the enemy team has heroes that kind of just fuck you if you try to play the other way (BKB-piercing disables, evasive heroes that buy Skadi, etc.), and you have other heroes on your team that can benefit from your frontlining ability (e.g. a backline mid carry like SF or Ember). AC's better here because pure offensive stat items won't do shit for you till you pass the point where you're unkillable anyway and defensive stats + team buffs is actually what you want here.

Playing Sven in games where you have to play the latter way is awkward in general, but given the high prevalence of heroes that will just fuck you over (e.g. Bane and Wyvern being popular supports), your choice is often either play the 2nd way or don't pick Sven at all.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 14 2015 18:22 GMT
#4949
Wow, huge influx of feedback. I will get through this this morning.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 14 2015 18:35 GMT
#4950
[image loading]

1 million unique for Tidehunter

If interested in a timeline of 1 million hits and milestones, you can check it here: http://steamcommunity.com/id/0825771
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 14 2015 18:36 GMT
#4951
u misspelled "relatively" in ur tide guide
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-14 18:43:13
December 14 2015 18:39 GMT
#4952
On December 14 2015 22:39 Velzi wrote:
Whats the point of having 1st lvl of Crippling Fear lvl7 rather than maxing nuke by lvl7? I would rather see value point in Crippling Fear lvl2 or lvl4 or as late as lvl8. For items Blademail seems odd, i dont like it on night stalker. There is also no Drums in guide Night Stalker even tho u just mentioned it? I dont think u should try to get early aghs as mid NS, it feels like u are wasting core position farm for something that doesnt increase ur teams damage output at all.

For Sven i would remove Aghs and HH since u are expecting Sven to be the hard carry, not the utility hero. I would also have Blink as a core rather than situational. Heart is debatable but i think Satanic makes more sense (obviously replace mom with it as a last item)

If u really want to have something in ur situational items (because i just removed Blink HH and Aghs from there XD) u could have SnY and maybe AC there.


Yes, Night Stalker needs a rework and potentially an offlane guide.

I would rather have blink as Extension or situational. I don't feel Core is needed at the lower levels. But Sven guide has been outdated for at least a year

On December 15 2015 03:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
u misspelled "relatively" in ur tide guide


Done.

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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 14 2015 18:42 GMT
#4953
I will update Sven and Night Stalker after the next patch.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 14 2015 18:44 GMT
#4954
Publishing Changes
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-14 18:51:17
December 14 2015 18:49 GMT
#4955
Blink on Sven is core if you're going the offensive blow-people-up route, and situational otherwise. If survivability-heavy items are not a priority (Heart, AC, etc.) then there's very few items that actually outperform Blink. Your overall fight mobility is so poor that every little advantage you can eke out matters.

Again, there's two very distinct ways to approach Sven that are good for different games, and they don't really mix well.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 14 2015 18:55 GMT
#4956
On December 15 2015 03:49 TheYango wrote:
Blink on Sven is core if you're going the offensive blow-people-up route, and situational otherwise. If survivability-heavy items are not a priority (Heart, AC, etc.) then there's very few items that actually outperform Blink. Your overall fight mobility is so poor that every little advantage you can eke out matters.

Again, there's two very distinct ways to approach Sven that are good for different games, and they don't really mix well.


I've always wanted to update Sven to a more stable build; away from Mask of Madness, I just haven't actually tried it yet.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 14 2015 18:57 GMT
#4957
MoM is fine, just not really that great after the nerfs. Sven really relied quite heavily on the MS boost.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 14 2015 19:08 GMT
#4958
On December 15 2015 03:57 TheYango wrote:
MoM is fine, just not really that great after the nerfs. Sven really relied quite heavily on the MS boost.


I would like to think it isn't the "standard" way per se any more.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-14 19:24:18
December 14 2015 19:19 GMT
#4959
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-24 10:33:37
December 14 2015 19:23 GMT
#4960
After ~15 days (November 28th to December 13th), we have risen from 108,444,654 to 110,796,860 combined subscriptions

A difference of 2,352,206
Average Growth of subscribers is 764,116.28
Growth Percentage is 2.17%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Beastmaster (Middle) (119,963)
  2. Brewmaster (Middle) (87,679)
  3. Alchemist (Middle) (85,913)
  4. Shadow Shaman (Middle) (4,058)
  5. Warlock (Middle) (2,051)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Lifestealer (Jungle)
  2. Sven
  3. Phantom Lancer
  4. Juggernaut
  5. Necrophos


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Slark (Lane) (992,274 -> 1,018,386)
  • Spectre (996,641 -> 1,018,289)
  • Slardar (974,563 -> 1,006,612)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle) (816,959 -> 852,529)


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