EPTIn-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 232
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TheYango
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On October 18 2015 12:23 TheYango wrote: I mean the fundamental problem is that Morph is one of those heroes that doesn't really buy the same items every game, and Manta's probably the closest thing to an item Morph buys reasonably often. TBH Morph's one of those heroes that I wouldn't want guide-level players to get anywhere near lol. Amen. Given that they will get near him regardless, though, I feel the best way to present a hero with a varied build is to simply give a stable progression. It might be optimal in like 1/3 of cases, but that's better than doing something which is optimal in 5% of cases just because it's the common ground between alternatives. For morph, I think the most stable progression is still RoA->boots->bottle->treads->linkens->eblade. It's slow and it will inevitably lose a game or two because some guy gets stuck on perseverance as his base falls apart, but at the end of the day it does what you pick morphling to do. | ||
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TheYango
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Belisarius
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Linkens->yasha->bfly/skadi or something maybe? That seems really awkward. If you drop Linkens you're probably looking at some kind of yasha/hotd/bkb combo, but I always feel like I should have picked another hero when I play like that. I guess you could straight-up rush skadi instead. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Agi Build Safe lane Start with RoP, Circlets, and a Tango Build Aquila and Wand Buy Treads For skills max Morph and Waveform Mid game get Yasha, then Skadi Finish Manta End game with Eaglesong upgrade of choice, either Eblade for shotgunning supports or Butterfly for more solid carrying Linkens and BKB are situational | ||
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TheYango
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TheYango
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This isn't necessarily true later since once you have Linken or Skadi you've "outgrown" your mana demands a bit. But early game I'd rather have Treads+Aquila+Ult orb than Treads+Aquila+Yasha, while later I'd rather have Treads+Skadi/Linken+Yasha than Treads+Skadi/Linken+Ult orb. | ||
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Velzi
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Something like Early: WB Boots RoA (Bottle) Core: Treads (Yasha) Skadi Situational: Linkens, BKB Extension: Bfly, MKB, Eblade Luxury: Satanic, Manta, BoTs The distinction between extension and Luxury is pretty abritrary on morph, so I don't know if you even want it. Luxury is just going to be the things you get a little later on average. I don't see much point in aghs on rightclick morph. Technically, yes, it's situational, but those situations are going to be way too nuanced for your audience to correctly identify so they'd mostly just screw up their progression. | ||
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TheYango
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Buckyman
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On October 19 2015 06:55 Belisarius wrote: Extension: Bfly, MKB, Eblade If Eblade is an extension item, it should be the first extension item. There's little point in getting it as the sixth slot. | ||
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I can do them throughout the weekday if I meet the daily quota of daily hero text update. Also working on Dota 2 100 million Hero Builds article. | ||
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Howie_Dewitt
United States1416 Posts
On October 19 2015 13:39 Buckyman wrote: What sorts of heroes are worth cloning? Right clickers? Supports for extra disables? Techies? Undying&thugna Also torte you finally convinced my friends to carry tp scrolls its already won us 2 games in hsl <3 | ||
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On October 19 2015 20:59 Howie_Dewitt wrote: Undying&thugna Also torte you finally convinced my friends to carry tp scrolls its already won us 2 games in hsl <3 I think carrying TP and Magic Wand were the things that changed my game the most without myself noticing. I've started adding TP to key heroes where they have some sort of trick to ensure it (Lifestealer Rage, Kunkka X Marks the Spot, etc.) Glad to hear, | ||
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Sn0_Man
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Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Town Portal Scroll to "Utility Items" Added Smoke of Deceit to "Utility Items" Removed Boots of Speed  PudgeMoved Force Staff to Extension Items Added Pipe of Insight to Extension Items  Lifestealer (Lane) Lifestealer (Jungle)Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Town Portal Scroll to "Utility Items"  TidehunterAdded Guardian Greaves to Situational Items Removed Mekansm  Warlock (Middle) Warlock (Lane)Removed Pipe of Insight  Bloodseeker (Middle)Moved Power Treads to Early Game Removed Boots of Speed Bloodseeker (Jungle)Moved Hand of Midas to Core Items Removed Boots of Speed Bloodseeker (Lane)Moved Power Treads to Early Game Moved Magic Wand to Early Game Removed Boots of Speed  MorphlingCreated New Tab; "Luxury Items" Added Boots of Travel - Level 2 to "Luxury Items" Moved Eye of Skadi to Core Items Moved Manta Style to "Luxury Items" Moved Satanic to "Luxury Items" Removed Aghanim's Scepter Ancient Apparition (Lane) Ancient Apparition (Middle) Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Added Veil of Discord to Extension Items Added Glimmer Cape to Extension Items Removed Shiva's Guard Elder Titan (Lane) Elder Titan (Middle) Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items Removed Ghost Scepter To watch for
# of Hero Texts Updated: 78 + Show Spoiler +  (Lane/Middle)(Lane/Middle)   (Jungle/Lane)   (Middle/Lane) (Middle/Lane/Jungle) (Middle/Lane)   (Jungle/Lane)(Lane/Middle)  (Lane/Middle)      (Lane/Middle) (Jungle/Lane)  (Middle/Lane)   (Middle/Lane)        (Middle/Lane)(Lane/Middle)   (Jungle/Lane) (Middle/Lane)(Lane/Middle)  | ||
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Velzi
Finland659 Posts
for starting items i would get one clarity over one branch because as jakiro u dont need early stats as much (u are already tanky and u have mana pool to work with). rest of the items seem okey except there could be linkens/lotus in situational, u are after all support who is focused on dealing damage and stunning, but it doesnt mean u cant get something to protect ur carry for getting permastunned/silenced. | ||
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On October 20 2015 16:49 Velzi wrote: For Jakiro i think starting with q and then maxing e is the best build atm. so either qeewerewwwrqqq+r++++++++++ or qweeerewwwrqqq+r++++++++++ seems the optimal way. for starting items i would get one clarity over one branch because as jakiro u dont need early stats as much (u are already tanky and u have mana pool to work with). rest of the items seem okey except there could be linkens/lotus in situational, u are after all support who is focused on dealing damage and stunning, but it doesnt mean u cant get something to protect ur carry for getting permastunned/silenced. I think all Jakiro really needs is Glimmer Cape. Dual Breath is level 4, which we can push for earlier (level 2 instead of Ice Path) if it is more ideal. | ||
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itemization needs to be redone, wait for patch to play out
skill order 
redo Lane/Middle build for Kunkka again
double-check item build
double-check item build
double-check starting items
