• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:46
CEST 21:46
KST 04:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-69SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-64PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)14Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE18
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft 2 at SC4ALL II Invite #4/8 - Percival Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Protoss AoE skill expression 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) StarCraft 2 at SC4ALL II Invite #3/8 - Clem
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25) SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-6 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Recent recommended BW games Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game ASL22 General Discussion [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament - Season 3 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-6
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
The Clem Fan Club INnoVation Fan Club The Scarlett Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
NBA General Discussion Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
What is a Gamer?
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4626 users

In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 146

Forum Index > The Tavern
Post a Reply
Prev 1 144 145 146 147 148 371 Next
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 31 2015 19:44 GMT
#2901
  • Growth of Subscribers still manages to stay at 2 million growth since August 3rd.
  • Growth Rate Percentage marginally drops to 4.66%.

  • 11.96% of last month's unique players [10,437,208] are subscribed to the Lifestealer (Jungle) Guide
  • approx. 200k subscribed guides typically have the weakest growth while guides in the 300 to 400k jump a minimum of 20 to 30,000 new subscribers per guide

  • Top 34 guides are approx. 600k subscribers or higher each (up to 1 million in a guide)
  • Top 50 guides are approx. 500k subscribers or higher each
  • Top 79 guides are approx. 400k subscribers or higher each
  • Top 100 guides are approx. 300k subscribers or higher each
  • Top 116 guides are approx. 200k subscribers or higher each
  • Top 123 guides are approx. 100k subscribers or higher each
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 20:07:38
January 31 2015 20:04 GMT
#2902
If I can get this Juggernaut build to work, I will update it.
I thought a lot about the two sides:

  • Do I want to keep in frame my user base's level of play and objective of these guides (to showcase and teach you how to play a hero the "standard way"?

  • Or do I want to uphold what the current "standard" is?

In the end, it's about the current standard. While I understand the change from the current Juggernaut build to this new one is completely contrasting and from two sides, the idea of upholding the "current standard" overlaps with the user base's ultimate desire to play the hero the way it was intended to play (at the moment). By keeping it in an outdated form, I contradict both the original intention of this project and betray the underlying interest of people subscribing to the hero (which can be spurred by competitive play, streams or recent discussions).

So I'll finalize the guide stats, stream some Jugger matches then update the guide tonight.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-02 09:28:06
January 31 2015 20:23 GMT
#2903
eidt
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
January 31 2015 21:16 GMT
#2904
Warlock

Pro's at DAC and other tournaments seem to go the statsroute+shadow word skillbuild almost every game on warlock mid (alot of the time with an early midas). Biggest difference with your current guide is that you skill fatalbonds alot early and at dac the proteams skill fatal bonds last or atleast very late. I filtered some of the games out, could maybe increase the subscriptions on one of the least popular torte guides.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1202259953
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1201130142
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1199639824
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1196414905
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1195873123
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1195873123
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 31 2015 21:24 GMT
#2905
On February 01 2015 06:16 govie wrote:
Warlock

Pro's at DAC and other tournaments seem to go the statsroute+shadow word skillbuild almost every game on warlock mid (alot of the time with an early midas). Biggest difference with your current guide is that you skill fatalbonds alot early and at dac the proteams skill fatal bonds last or atleast very late. I filtered some of the games out, could maybe increase the subscriptions on one of the least popular torte guides.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1202259953
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1201130142
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1199639824
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1196414905
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1195873123
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1195873123


http://www.dotabuff.com/players/26316691/matches?hero=warlock

Yes, I'm seeing similar.
Be sure to check Dotabuff top Pub players and compare their builds (10 days difference max)
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
February 01 2015 01:48 GMT
#2906
the more successful pro warlocks are all farmers though, regardless of lane or mid... the only support warlock i recall working out was a zai greedy 4 who went midas and became a huge core anyway
posting on liquid sites in current year
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-01 15:36:38
February 01 2015 15:35 GMT
#2907
On February 01 2015 06:24 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 06:16 govie wrote:
Warlock

Pro's at DAC and other tournaments seem to go the statsroute+shadow word skillbuild almost every game on warlock mid (alot of the time with an early midas). Biggest difference with your current guide is that you skill fatalbonds alot early and at dac the proteams skill fatal bonds last or atleast very late. I filtered some of the games out, could maybe increase the subscriptions on one of the least popular torte guides.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1202259953
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1201130142
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1199639824
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1196414905
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1195873123
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1195873123


http://www.dotabuff.com/players/26316691/matches?hero=warlock

Yes, I'm seeing similar.
Be sure to check Dotabuff top Pub players and compare their builds (10 days difference max)


isnt alot different imo, gl.
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 01 2015 18:19 GMT
#2908
yes, im seeing similar.

I haven't looked Warlock much at all but I'm surprised he's getting higher priority farm
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-03 09:11:03
February 02 2015 09:30 GMT
#2909
Invoker
Added Iron Branch to Starting Items
Removed Necromonicon
Added Orchid of Malevolence to Situational Items
Added Magic Wand to Core Items

Remade Guide
Juggernaut
Skill Build: Q W E Stats Stats R Stats Stats E W R E E W W R Stats Stats Stats Stats Stats Stats Q Q Q (1. Blade Dance 2. Healing Ward 3. Stats 4. Blade Fury)
Starting Items: Stout Shield, Tangos, 3x Iron Branch, Healing Salve
Early Game: Boots of Speed, Morbid Mask Magic Wand
Core Items: Phase Boots, Mask of Madness, Yasha, Skull Basher, Manta Style
Situational Items: Diffusal Blade, Black King Bar, Sange & Yasha, Battlefury, Mjollnir
Extension Items: Abyssal, Butterfly, Satanic, Monkey King Bar, Eye of Skadi

Doom (Lane)
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 03 2015 05:43 GMT
#2910
I think there's even less of a reason for jugg to start with a clarity now that you have him going the stats build
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 03 2015 06:06 GMT
#2911
You'd also rather have the Salve anyway if you're not leveling Spin, because most of the time the Clarity mana will just be another Ward, and a Salve outperforms Ward until you gain quite a few levels.
Moderator
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-03 09:11:37
February 03 2015 09:10 GMT
#2912
Healing Salve costs more than the starting items
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 03 2015 19:03 GMT
#2913
So you ditch a branch.
Moderator
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-03 20:56:31
February 03 2015 20:41 GMT
#2914
I'm looking into updating Phoenix.
Going to remove Meka because I don't think its realistic

I like the idea of midas, but probably only for mid phoenix.
Veil for Lane as well as Mid
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-04 00:35:16
February 03 2015 20:41 GMT
#2915
Invoker
Added Iron Branch to Starting Items
Removed Necromonicon
Added Orchid of Malevolence to Situational Items
Added Magic Wand to Core Items

Remade Guide
Juggernaut
Skill Build: Q W E Stats Stats R Stats Stats E W R E E W W R Stats Stats Stats Stats Stats Stats Q Q Q (1. Blade Dance 2. Healing Ward 3. Stats 4. Blade Fury)
Starting Items: Stout Shield, Tangos, 2x Iron Branch, Healing Salve
Early Game: Boots of Speed, Magic Wand
Core Items: Phase Boots, Mask of Madness, Yasha, Skull Basher, Manta Style
Situational Items: Diffusal Blade, Black King Bar, Sange & Yasha, Battlefury, Mjollnir
Extension Items: Abyssal, Butterfly, Satanic, Monkey King Bar, Eye of Skadi

Doom (Lane)
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-04 00:02:39
February 04 2015 00:01 GMT
#2916
Again, I'm not sure why you have the Morbid Mask before Phase Boots.

Phase Boots actually do something in lane by enabling kills/giving stronger fighting ability/easier lasthitting. Morbid Mask lifesteal doesn't really do anything until you start moving into the jungle, which you wouldn't do without Phase+QB or completed MoM.

Your in-lane recovery comes off ward, and in any situation you need more than that (difficult lanes), Mask doesn't help you as much as completed Phase Boots or other items like PMS/Stick/Aquila.
Moderator
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 04 2015 00:35 GMT
#2917
Its removed.
Not sure if QB is necessary though
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 04 2015 00:55 GMT
#2918
You fill up slots pretty fast with the MoM build, but QB does speed up your farm significantly in addition to making Rosh faster.
Moderator
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 04 2015 02:56 GMT
#2919
On February 04 2015 09:55 TheYango wrote:
You fill up slots pretty fast with the MoM build, but QB does speed up your farm significantly in addition to making Rosh faster.

This would explain why a friend of mine could never solo rosh while I've never had issues.

Can the MoM build even do Rosh without a QB early on? (At let's say, level 9 or 10)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 04 2015 18:05 GMT
#2920
Ill try a quelling blade after Phase, just feels like a lot of smaller items delaying bigger ones though.

Still looking into phoenix, I suck so hard with this hero
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Prev 1 144 145 146 147 148 371 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 14m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech90
RushiSC 40
MindelVK 26
StarCraft: Brood War
Hyun 38
Sexy 24
scan(afreeca) 17
NaDa 16
Dota 2
420jenkins266
League of Legends
Doublelift1565
Counter-Strike
summit1g2450
apEX2156
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu436
Other Games
Grubby2047
FrodaN1102
RotterdaM943
Beastyqt674
C9.Mang0134
Hui .131
ArmadaUGS103
UpATreeSC101
White-Ra73
Mew2King72
XaKoH 63
ROOTCatZ57
JuggernautJason56
SteadfastSC1
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• imaqtpie2075
• Jankos1341
• Shiphtur802
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 14m
RSL Revival
13h 14m
herO vs SHIN
Clem vs Solar
Serral vs Rogue
Ladder Legends
22h 14m
Ladder Legends
1d
RSL Revival
1d 13h
OSC
1d 17h
OSC
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
The Patches Monday
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
PiG Sty Festival
3 days
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-05
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
Escore Tournament S3: W6
Proleague 2026-08-07
RSL Revival: Season 6
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.