EPTOn warlock u literally want midas any game before 20 minutes I think. The xp and inevitability towards aghs and later refresher is too good. Support, core, doesn't matter.
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Sn0_Man
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On warlock u literally want midas any game before 20 minutes I think. The xp and inevitability towards aghs and later refresher is too good. Support, core, doesn't matter. | ||
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TheYango
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On lanes, having to get Arcanes isn't as bad, and it's even sustainable to not get Arcanes if you get a Bottle. On February 07 2015 01:41 Sn0_Man wrote: On warlock u literally want midas any game before 20 minutes I think. The xp and inevitability towards aghs and later refresher is too good. Support, core, doesn't matter. The big draw of Midas on Warlock is that it evens out your XP/gold distribution. There's really not a point to getting Agha before level 11 because rank 1 Agha Golems kind of suck (well, "suck" in that they're not really a major upgrade over the regular rank 1 Golem because the individual Golems get weak enough to be killable when they're only rank 1). Midas delays your Agha, but speeds up your level 11 so you end up meeting somewhere in the middle where you have Agha slower, but Agha+level 11 faster. If you get some game where you get a bunch of early fights where you get no kills and a bunch of assists, then it's possible for your gold/XP to be split in a way where you don't want Midas, but in a normal game, things will work out where the Midas makes things better for you. | ||
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tehh4ck3r
Magrathea7086 Posts
On February 06 2015 19:13 Torte de Lini wrote: When I get home I will play more Phoenix. My homework is to confirm: 1. Meka on Jungle doom still works 2. Phoenix - Midas 3. Warlock - Midas i don't think mekansm on either lane or jungle doom works anymore. doom is super mana starved even without having to worry about mek and with mek you are forced to get arcane boots which is super awkward on doom cuz then you're left with no armor | ||
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Belisarius
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But yeah the mana is pretty rough even with arcanes. | ||
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I don't understand his build: W Stats W Stats W R W E E E R E Q stats Q R Q Q Is this for Mid as well? | ||
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Buckyman
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On February 07 2015 19:54 Torte de Lini wrote:  Gyrocopter (Lane)Moved Satanic to Extension Items Moved Helm of the Dominator to Situational Items Moved Drums of Endurance to Core Items Added Manta Style to Extension Items Drums over yasha and then extension into Manta? Why? | ||
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TheYango
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Ulti doesn't scale well enough to outweigh Stomp rank 2, especially since Stomp Rank 2 guarantees the combo against heroes without instant escapes. You get ulti rank 2 after that at 12 usually, but 2-4-4-1 at 11 is usually better than 1-4-4-2. | ||
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On February 09 2015 04:33 TheYango wrote: This has definitely been mentioned before, but ET should have 2nd rank of Stomp at 11, not 2nd rank of Ulti. Ulti doesn't scale well enough to outweigh Stomp rank 2, especially since Stomp Rank 2 guarantees the combo against heroes without instant escapes. You get ulti rank 2 after that at 12 usually, but 2-4-4-1 at 11 is usually better than 1-4-4-2. done spent too many hours just playing games. Every time I didn't get a hero I wanted to practice on, I ended up getting a hero I noticed had a seemingly old build. So this spiraled into a bunch of updates and changes as I proceeded to lose lol | ||
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tehh4ck3r
Magrathea7086 Posts
The philosophy seems to be that since you're going to die if you get caught no matter what, you should try and output as much damage as possible before dying | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Your "ganker" doom has no boots Have you ever considered doing separate guides for QE and QW voker? If there's ever a hero that could use two, it's voker. | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:36 Belisarius wrote: I think blink should be in jug's situational tab. Your "ganker" doom has no boots Have you ever considered doing separate guides for QE and QW voker? If there's ever a hero that could use two, it's voker. Yes, but it is not a hero I am very comfortable with. Perhaps my least comfortable hero, so I don't think it is right of me to make guides regarding him besides the initial standard. Fixed Doom | ||
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Buckyman
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On February 08 2015 08:01 Torte de Lini wrote: I didn't see Manta consistently bought but I saw drums popping up more commonly. Shouldn't you just cut Manta completely then? I think the main reason it was there to begin with was the mid-game Yasha. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On February 09 2015 06:50 Torte de Lini wrote: Yes, but it is not a hero I am very comfortable with. Perhaps my least comfortable hero, so I don't think it is right of me to make guides regarding him besides the initial standard. Fixed Doom Well, there really are two standard builds for him. There's little variances like when what point of whatever is taken, but mostly its dual forge spirit build (QE) and tornado emp build (QW). Forge spirit build tends to be more farm+push-oriented, QW is more about teamfight presence, ganking, and counterpush. You can literally get by casting 3 spells in most games (forge spirits, cold snap... and i guess ghost walk if you're not as lazy as me. attempting sun strikes is extra credit). QW tornado/emp, old snap and if you're feeling flashy deafening blast. It's really impossible to put them both in one guide, you would probably have to break your "mid/lane/jungle" rule because both types of invokers need mid badly but if they get the wrong items they're fairly useless. There's one more common build, the pubstompy eul's sunstrike blast meteor combo, I don't think a guide is needed for that though. | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:26 tehh4ck3r wrote: I think it might be time to update the sniper item builds and remove the non-MoM core tab. pretty much every sniper at DAC has gone with phase/treads (imo treads are probably better for the guide) into mask of madness followed by maelstrom. The philosophy seems to be that since you're going to die if you get caught no matter what, you should try and output as much damage as possible before dying I'll have to play Sniper. I agree that most pros just run MoM, but I think the other build is just as accepted in pub games. On February 09 2015 13:39 Buckyman wrote: Shouldn't you just cut Manta completely then? I think the main reason it was there to begin with was the mid-game Yasha. I am testing him the next two days, so I will let you know, typically; I believe it is still okay to get Manta no? Winter Wyvern coming, so I will be preparing a guide for him He's new for me admittedly, so I have a long way to go. | ||
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