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On October 04 2014 06:34 TheYango wrote:If you're playing a sidelane farming Pugna you start with a RoP because you're going to get a Basi (Basi is really important for breaking sidelane towers), and starting health regen becomes even more important. If you're playing a support Pugna I'm not helping you write a support Pugna guide because that's now how the hero should ever be played, lol. Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 06:27 Torte de Lini wrote:
I'll fix Leshrac in a sec, maybe delay R in this regard. I'm not quite sure yet.
In the lane version, he has an early point in R.
Mid Lesh can take all 4 skills because he gets earlier mana items and has Bottle. A sidelane support Lesh needs to be conservative with his skill choices because mana is way more limited and you can't feasibly use all 4 spells until you get a chance to get more mana for yourself (possibly even taking Stats over skill points if necessary). This is why traditionally, support Lesh has tended to focus on 2 skills first and waiting on getting ult and the 3rd skill
Do you suggest doing a Pugna Middle guide because I can whip that up this weekend!
Hm, you're right on Leshrac. I'll fix the support one as well now.
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wtb edict animation revert
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On October 04 2014 06:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
wtb edict animation revert
Desperately. After the change, it is what made me stop going carry Leshrac.
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Figuring out how to fit bottle into Pugna or Leshrac is difficult. I feel they are more core than situational now and Urn/Magic Wand are less quintessential, but that doesn't sound right.
I'll fix Beastmaster now (Putting Meka back on) and test out Sniper Middle in a bit! I have to perhaps think of a new way to make a guide for Beastmaster so that it encompasses his different roles and the builds he can do (Pusher, Initiator?)
Thanks a whole bunch for demystifying them!
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Safe lane Pugna doesn't really need Bottle because Basi+Arcane+Headdress cover your regen needs and it's hard to leave lane to get runes.
Off-lane dual lane Pugna can get an off-lane Bottle and it's fine.
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On October 04 2014 07:34 TheYango wrote:
Safe lane Pugna doesn't really need Bottle because Basi+Arcane+Headdress cover your regen needs and it's hard to leave lane to get runes.
Off-lane dual lane Pugna can get an off-lane Bottle and it's fine.
Situational it is!
Maybe I'm just too reliant on Bottle or I like how I can spam spells so much more with it!
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That's reasonable in mid lane, it's just that safe lane, normally you want to freeze the lane or slow-push early so that when you get to the enemy tower, you can take it in one go (again, part of why Basi is important given it's contribution to lane control and controlling your push).
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Roger that.
I think I will do a mid Pugna guide then. It sounds like it's equally viable
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I missed a Sniper typo the first time around:
Use this ability to knock opponent's out of the lane or to finish opponents off.
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Jakiro derives so much of his usefulness from Ice Path; is it possible to revert it to be above Dual Breath in leveling priority? Dual Breath is situational. Thank you for all the wonderful guides!
Also, Lina is missing a ground courier.
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after the 6.82 buff i think getting dual breath over ice path is definitely warranted. value point in icepath for the stun but the AS/MS slow on dual breath is great
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On October 04 2014 09:53 Buckyman wrote:I missed a Sniper typo the first time around: Show nested quote +Use this ability to knock opponent's out of the lane or to finish opponents off.
done, thanks!
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On October 04 2014 16:33 HappyHubris wrote:
Jakiro derives so much of his usefulness from Ice Path; is it possible to revert it to be above Dual Breath in leveling priority? Dual Breath is situational. Thank you for all the wonderful guides!
Also, Lina is missing a ground courier.
What do you think of bottle on Lina? Needless or?
I think Ice Path is not worth it when you look at what Dual-Breath now has. It levels pretty poorly and there is damage escalation.
Other guide alternatives suggestions are appreciated I was thinking of doing Brewmaster mid and Lina mid but quite honestly, they're not that different from their lane version and perhaps even less played
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If anything, I'd just rename the lane Brewmaster guide to mid, seeing as the latter is more common anyway, especially after the change to Brawler significantly enhanced his 1v1 ability.
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On October 04 2014 19:23 TheYango wrote:
If anything, I'd just rename the lane Brewmaster guide to mid, seeing as the latter is more common anyway, especially after the change to Brawler significantly enhanced his 1v1 ability.
That could be something! I like to offlane with him though, so maybe a separate guide. Not sure.
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I think the phoenix builds are outdated. They say to max E after W but I feel maxing Q is a lot more relevant to how he likes to be played.
+ Urn of Shadows might just be situational now.
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 Phantom Lancer (Middle)
Moved Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items
Removed Assault Cuirass
Added Abyssal Blade
Phantom Lancer (Lane)
Moved Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items
Removed Assault Cuirass
Added Abyssal Blade
 Sniper (Middle)
New Skill Build: E W Q Q Q R Q E E E R W W W (1. Shrapnel 2. Take Aim 3. Headshot)
Tightened descriptions buckyman was here 4/10/14
Elder Titan (Middle)
Removed Phase Boots
Added Power Treads to Core Items
Elder Titan (Lane)
Removed Rod of Atos
Added Crimson Guard to Situational Items
Removed Tranquil Boots (Bottle is in Core Items)
Added Power Treads
 Spectre
New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Spectral Dagger 2. Desolate 3. Dispersion)
 Beastermaster (Lane)
Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items Before Arcane Boots
Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Removed Drums of Endurance
Beastermaster (Middle)
Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items Before Arcane Boots
Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
 Pugna
Removed Clarity
Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items
Added Ring of Basilius to Early Game
Removed Utility Items
Abaddon
Removed Urn of Shadows
Added Bottle to Core Items
 Axe (Lane)
Removed Mekansm
Moved Crimson Guard to Core Items
Spirit Breaker
New Skill Build: Q, E, W, Q, Q, R, Q, W, W, W, R, E, E, E (1. Charge of Darkness 2. Empowering Haste 3. Greater Bash)
 Leshrac (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q W Q W Q W Q W R E R E E E R (1. Split Earth 2. Diabolic Edict 3. Lightning Storm)
Treant Protector
Moved Urn of Shadows to Situational Items
Phoenix (Lane/Middle)
Phoenix (Lane/Middle)
New Skill Build: Q W W Q W R W Q Q E R E E E (1. Icarus Dive 2. Fire Spirits 3. Sun Ray)
Moved Bottle to Situational Items (Lane)
 Dazzle
Moved Urn of Shadows to Situational Items
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I think your viper mid starting items are unbuyable with starting gold.
Also think it doesnt put enough priority on corrosive skin
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On October 07 2014 02:39 Nevuk wrote:
I think your viper mid starting items are unbuyable with starting gold.
Also think it doesnt put enough priority on corrosive skin
Correct! How strange, I'll fix that now!
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