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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 02 2014 14:38 GMT
#2081
its 2250g that could be like necrobook or w/e.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 02 2014 14:58 GMT
#2082
So Meka on BM still?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 02 2014 15:04 GMT
#2083
If u have the farm and ur team needs it it's still definitely good. I'd have it situational really.

BM has a lot of different viable item progressions depending on how much farm ur assigned and what ur goal for the hero is. I still think necrobook is among the best as it pushes obscenely well with his aura plus opens up solo-kill possibilities vs roared targets.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 02 2014 20:21 GMT
#2084
On October 03 2014 00:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
If u have the farm and ur team needs it it's still definitely good. I'd have it situational really.

BM has a lot of different viable item progressions depending on how much farm ur assigned and what ur goal for the hero is. I still think necrobook is among the best as it pushes obscenely well with his aura plus opens up solo-kill possibilities vs roared targets.


Hm, I might ahve to make a "special" tab for him perhaps.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 02 2014 20:21 GMT
#2085
Stats coming for tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-03 14:42:41
October 03 2014 07:43 GMT
#2086
+ Show Spoiler [Oct 30] +
From our initial start in February 2013 to October 30, we have risen to 3,704,581 combined subscribers

A difference of 628,547

Average growth of subscribers is 29,019.19
+ Show Spoiler [Nov 15] +
After ~15 days (Oct. 30 to Nov. 15), we have risen from 3,076,034 to 3,704,581 combined subscribers

A difference of 628,547

Average Growth of subscribers is 34,948.88
Growth Percentage is 20.43%
+ Show Spoiler [Dec 9] +
After ~15 days (Nov. 15 to Dec. 9), we have risen from 3,704,581 to 4,744,465 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,039,884

Average Growth of subscribers is 43,930.23
Growth Percentage is 28.07%
+ Show Spoiler [Dec 25] +
After ~15 days (Dec. 9 to Dec. 25), we have risen from 4,744,465 to 5,567,569 combined subscribers

A difference of 823,104

Average Growth of subscribers is 50,614.26
Growth Percentage is 17.35%
+ Show Spoiler [Jan 17] +
After ~15 days (Dec. 25 to Jan. 17), we have risen from 5,567,569 to 7,154,041 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,586,472

Average Growth of subscribers is 65,036.74
Growth Percentage is 28.49%
+ Show Spoiler [Feb 4] +
After ~15 days (Jan. 17 to Feb. 4), we have risen from 7,154,041 to 8,708,486 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,554,445

Average Growth of subscribers is 77,066.25
Growth Percentage is 21.73%


Top 10 least popular guides (top being the least popular):
  • Dazzle
  • Faceless Void (recently updated)
  • Lion (recently updated)
  • Phantom Lancer
  • Juggernaut (recently updated)
  • Meepo (needs verification)
  • Tiny [Middle]
  • Invoker (sorely outdated)
  • Ember Spirit
  • Legion Commander [Lane]


Top 10 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage (needs verification)
  • Leshrac
  • Bane
  • Ursa
  • Medusa
  • Venomancer (needs verification)
  • Ancient Apparition
  • Broodmother (recently updated)
+ Show Spoiler [Feb 22] +
After ~15 days (Feb. 5 to Feb. 22), we have risen from 8,708,486 to 10,197,41 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,488,955
Average Growth of subscribers is 90,242.84
Growth Percentage is 17.10%


Top 10 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Lone Druid [Jungle]
  • Slark [Middle]
  • Meepo
  • Faceless Void
  • Dazzle
  • Juggernaut
  • Phantom Lancer
  • Tiny [Middle]
  • Invoker
  • Legion Commander [Lane]


Top 10 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Bane
  • Ursa
  • Medusa
  • Venomancer
  • Pugna
  • Broodmother


It has officially been 1 year since the guide system release (and when I started this project)!
+ Show Spoiler [Mar 10] +
After ~15 days (Feb. 22 to Mar. 10), we have risen from 10,197,451 to 11,694,519 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,496,978
Average Growth of subscribers is 99,953.15
Growth Percentage is 14.68%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Juggernaut (1,219)
  • Phantom Lancer (1,058)
  • Tiny (Middle) (910)
  • Invoker (762)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (510)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Meepo (1,164 -> 28,208)
  • Ember Spirit (2,358 -> 12,039)
  • Spirit Breaker (4,981 -> 16,666)
  • Pudge (5,900 -> 13,496)
  • Lina (6,407 -> 20,838)
  • Lion (14,324 -> 34,266)
  • Slark (Lane) (15,396 -> 30,426)
  • Weaver (25,342 -> 45,731)
  • Clinkz (31,168 -> 61,833)
  • Mirana (34,910 -> 68,183)
  • Luna (42,572 -> 80,934)
  • Shadow Fiend (79,311 -> 101,547)
  • Terrorblade (86,050 -> 122,345)


Latest Released Guides:
  • Naix (Lane)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - March 10th
+ Show Spoiler [Mar 24] +
After ~15 days (Mar. 10 to Mar. 25), we have risen from 11,694,519 to 13,025,681 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,331,162
Average Growth of subscribers is 111,330.607
Growth Percentage is 11.38%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Juggernaut (1,294)
  • Phantom Lancer (1,112)
  • Tiny (Middle) (941)
  • Invoker (770)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (579)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Lifestealer (Jungle) (737,338 -> 757,516)
  • Bounty Hunter (166,830 -> 190,690)
  • Luna (80,934 -> 111,375)
  • Meepo (28,208 -> 52,003)
  • Ember Spirit (12,039 -> 36,130)
  • Lion (34,266 -> 52,853)


Latest Released Guides:
  • Naix (Lane)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - March 24th
+ Show Spoiler [Apr 9] +
After ~15 days (Mar. 25 to Apr. 9), we have risen from 13,025,681 to 14,640,324 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,614,643
Average Growth of subscribers is 125,130.97
Growth Percentage is 12.40%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Phantom Lancer (1,374)
  • Slark (Middle) (1,361)
  • Tiny (Middle) (965)
  • Invoker (790)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (626)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Phantom Assassin (9,821 -> 22,968)
  • Queen of Pain (15,279 -> 32,355)
  • Faceless Void (5,516 -> 36,628)
  • Ember Spirit (36,130 -> 73,227)
  • Weaver (63,090 -> 89,479)
  • Clinkz (84,839 -> 111,540)
  • Mirana (96,509 -> 127,826)


Latest Released Guides:
  • Naix (Lane)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - April 9th
+ Show Spoiler [Apr 24] +
After ~15 days (Apr. 9 to Apr. 24), we have risen from 14,640,324 to 16,154,754 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,514,430
Average Growth of subscribers is 134,754.24
Growth Percentage is 10.53%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (1,520)
  • Slark (Middle) (1,411)
  • Tiny (Middle) (1001)
  • Invoker (800)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (673)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Luna (146,691 -> 181,478)
  • Zeus (84,722 -> 100,020)
  • Faceless Void (36,628 -> 60,153)
  • Ember Spirit (Lane) (73,227 -> 101,397)
  • Sven (204,354 -> 236,078)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Nyx Assassin (Lane)
  • Axe (Jungle)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - April 24th
+ Show Spoiler [May 8] +
After ~15 days (Apr. 24 to May 8), we have risen from 16,154,754 to 17,852,025 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,670,590
Average Growth of subscribers is 147,537.40
Growth Percentage is 10.32%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (759)
  • Invoker (846)
  • Tiny (Middle) (1047)
  • Slark (Middle) (1,487)
  • Longe Druid (Jungle) (1,610)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Phantom Lancer (3,724 -> 14,651)
  • Dazzle (4,133 -> 15,879)
  • Juggernaut (35,334 -> 61,666)
  • Huksar (59,476 -> 81,357)
  • Lion (92,907 -> 110,668)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Nyx Assassin (Lane)
  • Axe (Jungle)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Ursa (Lane)





Associated Reddit Topic - May 8th
+ Show Spoiler [May 22] +
After ~15 days (May 8 to May 22), we have risen from 17,852,025 to 19,767,290 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,915,265
Average growth of subscribers is 162,026.97
Growth Percentage is 10.73%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Ursa (Lane) (289)
  • Beast Master (Middle) (207)
  • Nyx Assassin (Lane) (201)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle) (169)
  • Ember Spirit (136)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Phantom Lancer (14,651 -> 50,104)
  • Dazzle (15,879 -> 35,024)
  • Faceless Void (85,845 -> 116,488)
  • Mirana (187,849 -> 222,947)
  • Luna (212,349 -> 243,569)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Axe (Jungle)
  • Elder Titan (Lane)





Associated Reddit Topic - May 22nd
+ Show Spoiler [June 6] +
After ~15 days (May 22 to June 6), we have risen from 19,767,290 to 21,802,930 combined subscribers

A difference of 2,035,640
Average Growth of subscribers is 178,712.54
Growth Percentage is 9.93%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Nyx Assassin (Lane) (294)
  • Beastmaster (Middle) (238)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle) (209)
  • Axe (Jungle) (197)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle) (164)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Necrophos


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (448 -> 2,948)
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (1,717 -> 7,519)
  • Tinker (81,361 -> 102,509)
  • Huskar (105,637 -> 133,977)
  • Sand King (285,320 -> 318,806)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Elder Titan (Lane)





Associated Reddit Topic - June 6th
+ Show Spoiler [June 20] +
After ~15 days (June 6 to June 20), we have risen from 21,802,930 to 23,956,248 combined subscribers

A difference of 2,153,318
Average Growth of subscribers is 193,195.55
Growth Percentage is 9.88%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Beastmaster (Middle) (269)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle) (227)
  • Axe (Jungle) (218)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle) (182)
  • Tusk (Middle) (106)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Necrophos


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (2,948 -> 28,665)
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (7,519 -> 28,934)
  • Enchantress (75,926 -> 90,296)
  • Phantom Lancer (88,180 -> 125,948)
  • Juggernaut (126,707 -> 163,994)
  • Sand King (318,806 -> 356,684)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Elder Titan (Lane)
  • Naga Siren (Middle)
  • Tusk (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - June 20th
+ Show Spoiler [July 4] +
After ~15 days (June 20 to July 4th), we have risen from 23,956,248 to 25,861,337 combined subscriptions

A difference of 1,905,089
Average Growth of subscribers is 208,559.17
Growth Percentage is 7.95%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle) (257)
  • Axe (Jungle) (254)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle) (206)
  • Tusk (Middle) (136)
  • Elder Titan (Lane) (132)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Necrophos


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (28,665 -> 54,426)
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (28,934 -> 50,379)
  • Enigma (143,931 -> 165,573)
  • Slark (Lane) (148,178 -> 174,693)
  • Juggernaut (163,994 -> 197,295)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Naga Siren (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - July 4th
+ Show Spoiler [July 19] +
After ~15 days (July 4th to July 19th), we have risen from 25,861,337 to 27,755,144 combined subscriptions

A difference of 1,893,767
Average Growth of subscribers is 218,544.44
Growth Percentage is 7.32%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Shadow Shaman (Middle) (286)
  2. Axe (Jungle) (286)
  3. Ember Spirit (Middle) (242)
  4. Elder Titan (Lane) (188)
  5. Tusk (Middle) (177)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Naix (Jungle)
  2. Nyx Assassin
  3. Skywrath Mage
  4. Necrophos (previously rank 5)
  5. Leshrac


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Legion Commander (Middle) (2,377 -> 12,226)
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (50,379 -> 68,885)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (54,426 -> 81,821)
  • Tinker (140,421 -> 159,260)
  • Enigma (165,573 -> 197,295)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Lycan (Lane)
  • Skywrath Mage (Lane)
  • Dragon Knight (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - July 19th
+ Show Spoiler [August 3] +
After ~15 days (July 19th to August 3rd), we have risen from 27,755,144 to 30,003,730 combined subscriptions

A difference of 2,248,586
Average Growth of subscribers is 236,249.84
Growth Percentage is 8.10%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Ember Spirit (Middle) (338)
  2. Elder Titan (Lane) (269)
  3. Tusk (Middle) (238)
  4. Skywrath Mage (Lane) (206)
  5. Naga Siren (Middle) (168)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Naix (Jungle)
  2. Nyx Assassin (Middle)
  3. Skywrath Mage (Middle)
  4. Necrophos
  5. Sven (previously rank 7)


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Terrorblade (361,318 -> 395,937)
  • Silencer (274,906 -> 293,250)
  • Shadow Shaman (Lane) (274,525 -> 310,355)
  • Sven (446,554 -> 482,174)





Associated Reddit Topic - August 3rd
+ Show Spoiler [August 18] +
After ~15 days (August 3rd to August 18th), we have risen from 30,003,730 to 32,005,885 combined subscriptions

A difference of 2,002,155
Average Growth of subscribers is 248,107.64
Growth Percentage is 6.67%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Shadow Shaman (Middle) (402)
  2. Elder Titan (Lane) (369)
  3. Skywrath Mage (Lane) (345)
  4. Tusk (Middle) (307)
  5. Naga Siren (Middle) (222)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Naix (Jungle)
  2. Nyx Assassin (Middle)
  3. Necrophos (previously rank 4)
  4. Skywrath Mage (Middle)
  5. Sven


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (114,862 -> 143,205)
  • Enigma (216,943 -> 240,711)
  • Brewmaster (190,123 -> 218,765)
  • Juggernaut (266,505 -> 301,914)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Weaver (Lane)
  • Kunkka (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - August 18th
+ Show Spoiler [September 3] +
After ~15 days (August 18th to September 3rd), we have risen from 32,005,885 to 34,023,240 combined subscriptions

A difference of 2,0173,55
Average Growth of subscribers is 263,746.05
Growth Percentage is 6.30%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Shadow Shaman (Middle) (426)
  2. Tusk (Middle) (338)
  3. Naga Siren (Middle) (251)
  4. Weaver (Lane) (122)
  5. Kunkka (Middle) (104)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Naix (Jungle) Celebrating 1 Million Unique Subscriptions!
  2. Nyx Assassin (Middle)
  3. Necrophos (previously rank 4)
  4. Sven (previously rank 5)
  5. Skywrath Mage (Middle)


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (143,205 -> 170,414)
  • Enigma (240,711 -> 261,923)
  • Brewmaster (218,765 -> 245,407)
  • Phantom Lancer (246,265 -> 275,824)





Associated Reddit Topic - September 3rd
+ Show Spoiler [September 18] +
After ~15 days (September 3rd to September 18th), we have risen from 34,023,240 to 36,208,516 combined subscriptions

A difference of 2,785,276
Average Growth of subscribers is 278,527.05
Growth Percentage is 6.42%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Shadow Shaman (Middle) (474)
  2. Tusk (Middle) (404)
  3. Naga Siren (Middle) (305)
  4. Weaver (Lane) (206)
  5. Kunkka (Middle) (166)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Naix (Jungle)
  2. Nyx Assassin (Middle)
  3. Necrophos
  4. Sven
  5. Skywrath Mage (Middle)


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Centaur Warrunner (3,178 -> 31,228)
  • Dazzle (161,925 -> 181,725)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (170,414 -> 195,312)
  • Phantom Lancer (246,265 -> 275,824)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Techies




Associated Reddit Topic - September 18th


After ~15 days (September 18th to October 3rd), we have risen from 36,208,516 to 38,248,753 combined subscriptions

A difference of 2,040,237
Average Growth of subscribers is 277,164.88
Growth Percentage is 5.63%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Shadow Shaman (Middle) (514)
  2. Tusk (Middle) (470)
  3. Naga Siren (Middle) (386)
  4. Weaver (Lane) (374)
  5. Kunkka (Middle) (260)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Naix (Jungle)
  2. Nyx Assassin (Middle)
  3. Sven (previously rank 4)
  4. Necrophos
  5. Skywrath Mage (Middle)


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Tiny (Lane) (5,671 -> 16,411)
  • Centaur Warrunner (31,228 -> 60,166)
  • Bloodseeker (Middle) (199,401 -> 242,837)
  • Riki (201,668 -> 263,324)
  • Techies (242,682 -> 285,042)
  • Phantom Lancer (Lane) (302,052 -> 381,248)
  • Clinkz (388,227 -> 411,995)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Phantom Lancer (Middle)
  • Leshrac (Middle)
  • Sniper (Middle)
  • Bloodseeker (Jungle)
  • Bloodseeker (Lane)
  • Warlock (Middle)
  • Earth Spirit (Lane)
  • Gyrocopter (Middle)




Associated Reddit Topic - October 3rd
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Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-03 07:57:40
October 03 2014 07:53 GMT
#2087
As a remind, these heroes still need ratings and feedback, I unfortunately need to be more of a pest about it because they are difficult to attract attention:

Kunkka (Middle) Build
Weaver (Lane) Build
Dragon Knight (Middle) Build
Skywrath Mage (Lane) Build
Tusk (Middle) Build
Naga Siren (Middle) Build
Elder Titan (Lane) Build
Ursa (Lane) Build
Nyx Assassin (Lane) Build
Axe (Jungle) Build
Ember Spirit (Middle) Build
Lifestealer (Lane) Build
Shadow Shaman (Middle) Build
Earth Spirit (Middle) Build


  • Growth of Subscribers still manages to stay at 2 million growth since August 3rd.
  • Growth Rate Percentage hits all-time low at 5.63% -- Lowest since the guide project back in 2013.

  • 11.16% of last month's unique players [9,445,614] are subscribed to the Lifestealer (Jungle) Guide
  • Patch 6.82 creates massive waves of new subscriptions for a variety of heroes due to many other popular guides suddenly no longer working (example: suggesting juxtapose at level 4 when it cannot be selected [since it is an ultimate now])

  • Top 16 guides are approx. 500k subscribers or higher each (up to 1 million in a guide)
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  • Top 65 guides are approx. 300k subscribers or higher each
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  • Top 112 guides are approx. 100k subscribers or higher each


Next checkpoint: Oct. 18th, will be our last stats check before our annual round-up! We've been collecting statistics since Oct. 30th, 2013 and we will now see what a year of following growth will look like with some neat graphs and shit (as soon as I figure it out)
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 03 2014 12:51 GMT
#2088
Phantom Lancer (Middle)
Moved Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items
Removed Assault Cuirass
Added Abyssal Blade

Phantom Lancer (Lane)
Moved Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items
Removed Assault Cuirass
Added Abyssal Blade

Sniper (Middle)
New Skill Build: E Q Q W Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Shrapnel 2. Take Aim 3. Headshot)

Elder Titan (Middle)
Removed Phase Boots
Added Power Treads to Core Items

Elder Titan (Lane)
Removed Rod of Atos
Added Crimson Guard to Situational Items
Removed Tranquil Boots (Bottle is in Core Items)
Added Power Treads

Spectre
New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Spectral Dagger 2. Desolate 3. Dispersion)

Beastermaster (Lane)
Removed Mekansm
Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items Before Arcane Boots
Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Removed Drums of Endurance

Beastermaster (Middle)
Removed Mekansm
Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items Before Arcane Boots
Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items

Pugna
Removed Healing Salve

Abaddon
Removed Urn of Shadows
Added Bottle to Core Items

Axe (Lane)
Removed Mekansm
Moved Crimson Guard to Core Items

Spirit Breaker
New Skill Build: Q, E, W, Q, Q, R, Q, W, W, W, R, E, E, E (1. Charge of Darkness 2. Empowering Haste 3. Greater Bash)
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 03 2014 14:41 GMT
#2089
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2i6vks/38248753_total_subscriptions_october_3rd_stats/ -- Dota 2 Reddit topic is up.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
October 03 2014 15:35 GMT
#2090
all good changes, torte. keep up the good work!
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 03 2014 15:37 GMT
#2091
Thank you.

I'm mainly looking for feedback on Sniper and Leshrac builds as I am the most unsure about those.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 03 2014 15:50 GMT
#2092
Sniper is prolly best going
w/e/q/q/q/r/q/e/e/e/r

if ur mid u want a bottle.

lesh is realllllly flexible and game dependent. I think ult is a value point until 4/4/4/1 though.

Stun maxing makes it easier to hit stuns and is your highest "up front" damage.
Edict maxing is primarily for pushing, but is very powerful for that
Lightning maxing is good for farming and is your highest theoretical DPS in fights.

What skill you prioritize is completely dependent on the game. In a high-skill scenario I think stun stays at level 1 for a long time if you have setup, but for guide-readers I think stun maxing is the most reliable build.

Yeah IMO the simplest, most brain-dead can't fail cookie cutter build for lesh would be q/e/q/e/q/r/q/e/e/w/w/w/w/stats/r/r/
Items are basically urn into euls into luxury (force, atos, hex, shivas, blink, heart, whatever).
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 03 2014 16:48 GMT
#2093
I'd say E-max Leah is more "brain-dead" than Q-max but otherwise that's right.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-03 16:50:10
October 03 2014 16:49 GMT
#2094
Then u whiff ur stun like an idiot >_>

But I suppose u could whiff ur stun with Q max and then E-max is more dmg
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-03 16:52:21
October 03 2014 16:51 GMT
#2095
When I used to play carry Leshrac, I maxed E for harassment + bottle made infinite Lightnings, then max Edict for the easy tower before moving onto the next tower.

Never got a point in Q, so the build is pretty bad but I got a lot of success out of it.

I'll fix Sniper now
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-03 17:49:34
October 03 2014 17:47 GMT
#2096
Regarding Pugna starting items, clarities are impractical on most mid heroes because you can't step away from the lane long enough for them to be practical.

Either you start a bottle rush start like 3 branch + tango (rare because Pugna is a strong laner and there's only a small handful of laners you'd need to be that pussy against) or you want the salve so you can play aggressive with your pre-bottle regen (and if you're not finding it useful you're probably not playing your pre-bottle lanes aggressively enough). Clarities in your starting items rarely make sense for a mid hero.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 03 2014 17:48 GMT
#2097
On October 04 2014 01:51 Torte de Lini wrote:
When I used to play carry Leshrac, I maxed E for harassment + bottle made infinite Lightnings, then max Edict for the easy tower before moving onto the next tower.

Never got a point in Q, so the build is pretty bad but I got a lot of success out of it.

I'll fix Sniper now

You only need 1-2 points in Edict to bust towers and delaying Split Earth loses a lot of burst damage.
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-03 21:02:47
October 03 2014 18:18 GMT
#2098
Sniper mid proofreading:
Mask of Madness is great for whether you're ahead of behind


A great item for Sniper as he wants to tear down foes before even approaching him.

This should say "before they even approach him", right?

(Manta Style) This item works great for sniper


(Butterfly) Given Snipers low life, Evasion is not a bad idea given Snipers

This description is totally garbled. Also, the description should mention its use as a MoM-like escape item.

Maelstrom and Mjollnir let's you never needing further attack speed again and offering further forms of farming and dishing out effects including your passive: Headshot.


Shrapnel can be used on towers or to illuminate areas, if unsure if an area, try using shrapnel to see if it is safe. Additionally, it can be used to slow down opponents if can be maxed first if you want to harass them out of mid.


Headshots damage is great
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-03 21:27:20
October 03 2014 21:27 GMT
#2099
On October 04 2014 02:47 TheYango wrote:
Regarding Pugna starting items, clarities are impractical on most mid heroes because you can't step away from the lane long enough for them to be practical.

Either you start a bottle rush start like 3 branch + tango (rare because Pugna is a strong laner and there's only a small handful of laners you'd need to be that pussy against) or you want the salve so you can play aggressive with your pre-bottle regen (and if you're not finding it useful you're probably not playing your pre-bottle lanes aggressively enough). Clarities in your starting items rarely make sense for a mid hero.


The Pugna guide is a Lane version however. Would this rule still apply?

On October 04 2014 02:48 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 01:51 Torte de Lini wrote:
When I used to play carry Leshrac, I maxed E for harassment + bottle made infinite Lightnings, then max Edict for the easy tower before moving onto the next tower.

Never got a point in Q, so the build is pretty bad but I got a lot of success out of it.

I'll fix Sniper now

You only need 1-2 points in Edict to bust towers and delaying Split Earth loses a lot of burst damage.


I'll fix Leshrac in a sec, maybe delay R in this regard. I'm not quite sure yet.
In the lane version, he has an early point in R.

On October 04 2014 03:18 Buckyman wrote:
Sniper mid proofreading:
Show nested quote +
Mask of Madness is great for whether you're ahead of behind


Show nested quote +
A great item for Sniper as he wants to tear down foes before even approaching him.

This should say "before they even approach him", right?

Show nested quote +
(Manta Style) This item works great for sniper


Show nested quote +
(Butterfly) Given Snipers low life, Evasion is not a bad idea given Snipers

This description is totally garbled. Also, the description should mention its use as a MoM-like escape item.

Show nested quote +
Maelstrom and Mjollnir let's you never needing further attack speed again and offering further forms of farming and dishing out effects including your passive: Headshot.


Show nested quote +
Shrapnel can be used on towers or to illuminate areas, if unsure if an area, try using shrapnel to see if it is safe. Additionally, it can be used to slow down opponents if can be maxed first if you want to harass them out of mid.


Show nested quote +
Headshots damage is great


Thank God you're here man to read some of the terrible things I miswrite!
Let me fix it all now
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-03 21:40:31
October 03 2014 21:34 GMT
#2100
If you're playing a sidelane farming Pugna you start with a RoP because you're going to get a Basi (Basi is really important for breaking sidelane towers), and starting health regen becomes even more important. If you're playing a support Pugna I'm not helping you write a support Pugna guide because that's now how the hero should ever be played, lol.

On October 04 2014 06:27 Torte de Lini wrote:
I'll fix Leshrac in a sec, maybe delay R in this regard. I'm not quite sure yet.
In the lane version, he has an early point in R.

Mid Lesh can take all 4 skills because he gets earlier mana items and has Bottle. A sidelane support Lesh needs to be conservative with his skill choices because mana is way more limited and you can't feasibly use all 4 spells until you get a chance to get more mana for yourself (possibly even taking Stats over skill points if necessary). This is why traditionally, support Lesh has tended to focus on 2 skills first and waiting on getting ult and the 3rd skill
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