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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
September 26 2014 06:47 GMT
#2041
I think I used the SF guide earlier and was thoroughly confused by the skill build. It wanted necromastery at levels 1 3 5 7, wrong priority(right priority 1 point necromastery then max razes by 7, usual skill build maxes necromastery next with ult skipped until level 9). Not sure if that's just a 6.82 bug or something though. It threw me for a loop.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 26 2014 06:57 GMT
#2042
On September 26 2014 15:47 Nevuk wrote:
I think I used the SF guide earlier and was thoroughly confused by the skill build. It wanted necromastery at levels 1 3 5 7, wrong priority(right priority 1 point necromastery then max razes by 7, usual skill build maxes necromastery next with ult skipped until level 9). Not sure if that's just a 6.82 bug or something though. It threw me for a loop.


Why only one point in Necromastery?

I fixed the build order to be now: W Q Q W Q W Q W Q R E R
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 26 2014 07:07 GMT
#2043
He didn't mean only 1 point of Necromastery, but that you get it at level 1 and then max Raze, which is right.
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OmegaPython
Profile Joined September 2014
Australia8 Posts
September 26 2014 07:08 GMT
#2044
You could always change the name of the Bloodseeker guide to lane. Don't leave old guides just because they have subscribers.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-26 07:14:57
September 26 2014 07:12 GMT
#2045
Soulring > urn > phaseboots > blink > aghs + skill cleave last

if u want to spam the stun alot a soulring is good. a sven stun drains his manapool for 50% at earlier levels. After that you want to cash in on urn charges to heal up. Phaseboots increase the time you have to hit the target after the stun because u can move through creeps and the stunduration is not remarkable, it helps alot. Get a blink after into aghs. I still think hes a carry tho, the aghs upgrade didnt change him and a ganking sven is gimmicky
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-26 07:20:11
September 26 2014 07:18 GMT
#2046
On September 26 2014 16:08 OmegaPython wrote:
You could always change the name of the Bloodseeker guide to lane. Don't leave old guides just because they have subscribers.


I never abandon old guides so long as there is a following. Unfortunately, newer guides dont get many ratings so getting people to play alternative versions of heroes is very rare/difficult.

I am creating a Lane guide.

The mid guide is actually good in my opinion. Getting Bottle seems worthless at the start, but the cost for Blood Rite + Ult is BS's entire mana pool. With the amount of runes that come up and your ability to just spam people out of lane and push them out. I think it's good. But I need to play more games with it.

I think for Lane, Bloodseeker should get 1 in W for the 3 second silence and then max Bloodrage into Thirst.

On September 26 2014 16:07 TheYango wrote:
He didn't mean only 1 point of Necromastery, but that you get it at level 1 and then max Raze, which is right.


Its corrected.

On September 26 2014 16:12 govie wrote:
Soulring > urn > phaseboots > blink > aghs + skill cleave last

if u want to spam the stun alot a soulring is good. a sven stun drains his manapool for 50% at earlier levels. After that you want to cash in on urn charges to heal up. Phaseboots increase the time you have to hit the target after the stun because u can move through creeps and the stunduration is not remarkable, it helps alot. Get a blink after into aghs. I still think hes a carry tho, the aghs upgrade didnt change him and a ganking sven is gimmicky


Yeah I was looking at it and felt it was pretty gimmicky in the end or just not what people want him to be played as. I don't want to promote a contrary idea of his role.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-26 07:27:19
September 26 2014 07:24 GMT
#2047
On September 26 2014 16:18 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 16:12 govie wrote:
Soulring > urn > phaseboots > blink > aghs + skill cleave last

if u want to spam the stun alot a soulring is good. a sven stun drains his manapool for 50% at earlier levels. After that you want to cash in on urn charges to heal up. Phaseboots increase the time you have to hit the target after the stun because u can move through creeps and the stunduration is not remarkable, it helps alot. Get a blink after into aghs. I still think hes a carry tho, the aghs upgrade didnt change him and a ganking sven is gimmicky


Yeah I was looking at it and felt it was pretty gimmicky in the end or just not what people want him to be played as. I don't want to promote a contrary idea of his role.


I think i know because i tried a semisupport sven to many times (with mek without mek etcetcetc u can even find my brainfarts in that thread). I do still think the soulring was designed for heros like sven or coptor and could be core in pubs, even the managain/usage is equal.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 26 2014 07:28 GMT
#2048
There's no point in using SR over Bottle with the greater avaiiability of runes. SR's advantage over Bottle is primarily in long-term lane stayability for someone like Broodmother or DS. For a roamer who will regularly and frequently pass runes, there's not much appeal to it over Bottle.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 26 2014 07:30 GMT
#2049
I'll see if it becomes more popularly played before adding a Sven tab.

I think for most concerns I have with the recent patch, I've updated the guides to a confident level. I made a tab called: Core - Aghanim's for Chen, but it might not stay if I don't think it's a good idea at all (and we'll see with more games played).

The only two heroes I'm 100% unsure of is Elder Titan - Lane and Lone Druid.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-26 07:33:18
September 26 2014 07:33 GMT
#2050
Maybe watch IG and newbee, see what they come up with. Im pretty sure some teams will pickup the LD today.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 26 2014 07:35 GMT
#2051
On September 26 2014 16:33 govie wrote:
Maybe watch IG and newbee, see what they come up with. Im pretty sure some teams will pickup the LD today.


I'm scared his versatility will be even more insane.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-26 07:56:08
September 26 2014 07:54 GMT
#2052
I won't be doing Phantom Lancer mid, doesn't make sense.

Not sure about Ogre Magi mid, I think I just like the hero a lot. Probably wont do it either.
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pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
September 26 2014 13:04 GMT
#2053
is lesh's edict better being only physical? I didn't play the hero after the patch, but I didn't even max the skill before if I wasn't steam rolling the towers, now it seems even pointless to get more than 1 or 2 points on the skills

what about 3-2-0-1 to 4-2-4-1/4-2-3-2? it seems it would be better in my opinion
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 26 2014 13:12 GMT
#2054
On September 26 2014 22:04 pedrlz wrote:
is lesh's edict better being only physical? I didn't play the hero after the patch, but I didn't even max the skill before if I wasn't steam rolling the towers, now it seems even pointless to get more than 1 or 2 points on the skills

what about 3-2-0-1 to 4-2-4-1/4-2-3-2? it seems it would be better in my opinion


I think it still does slightly more damage than Lightning and now with Pulse Nova, it can be relatively good.

I was debating about it for awhile, and I prefer maxing Lightning if I'm going carry Leshrac.

I recently changed it, so I'm hoping for more opinions as well.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 26 2014 19:10 GMT
#2055
On September 26 2014 22:04 pedrlz wrote:
is lesh's edict better being only physical? I didn't play the hero after the patch, but I didn't even max the skill before if I wasn't steam rolling the towers, now it seems even pointless to get more than 1 or 2 points on the skills

what about 3-2-0-1 to 4-2-4-1/4-2-3-2? it seems it would be better in my opinion

It does same damage to towers, a tiny bit less to heroes without extra magic resistance, a good bit more damage to heroes with extra magic resistance, and significantly less to creeps or heroes with less than normal magic resistance.
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ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
September 26 2014 19:37 GMT
#2056
On September 26 2014 16:54 Torte de Lini wrote:
I won't be doing Phantom Lancer mid, doesn't make sense.

Not sure about Ogre Magi mid, I think I just like the hero a lot. Probably wont do it either.


I think middle lane is the best spot for PL now. He wants the levels, and between his Q/E and abundant runes he should be able to bully a lot of mid heroes and push the lane out once he starts making illusions at 6. Maxing his Q and E by a decent time makes him a really potent teamfight hero.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-26 20:01:59
September 26 2014 19:52 GMT
#2057
On September 27 2014 04:37 ZasZ. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 16:54 Torte de Lini wrote:
I won't be doing Phantom Lancer mid, doesn't make sense.

Not sure about Ogre Magi mid, I think I just like the hero a lot. Probably wont do it either.


I think middle lane is the best spot for PL now. He wants the levels, and between his Q/E and abundant runes he should be able to bully a lot of mid heroes and push the lane out once he starts making illusions at 6. Maxing his Q and E by a decent time makes him a really potent teamfight hero.


I haven't seen many people play him mid though ): I can't gauge how good it is.

For late-game, do you think heart is still good? Diffusal -> Manta -> Heart? I've seen a lot of people go Drums before Diffusal which I think is more situational than core.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-27 12:37:00
September 27 2014 04:08 GMT
#2058
Newly Released Guides (Feedback and Ratings appreciated)
New guides are always up for change and not final. Changes will follow as further testing continues.

New Guide
Gyrocopter (Middle)

Skill Build: Q W W E W R W Q Q Q R E E E (1. Homing Missile 2. Rocket Barrage 3. Flak Cannon)
Starting Items: Tangos, 3x Iron Branch, Slippers of Agility
Early Game: Bottle, Boots of Speed, Magic Wand
Core Items: Phase Boots, Shadow Blade, Black King Bar
Situational Items: Ring of Aquila, Drums of Endurance, Helm of the Dominator
Extension Items: Monkey King Bar, Daedalus, Satanic

New Guide
Earth Spirit (Lane)

Skill Build: Q W E E E R E Q W Q W R (1. Geomagnetic Grip 2. Boulder Smash 3. Rolling Boulder)
Starting Items: 3x Iron Branch, Tangoes
Early Game: Bottle, Boots of Speed, Magic Wand
Core Items: Arcane Boots, Blink Dagger, Aghanim's Scepter
Situational Items: Ghost Scepter, Force Staff, Blade Mail, Heaven's Halberd
Extension Items: Veil of Discord, Heart of Tarrasque, Shiva's Guard, Scythe of Vyse

New Guide
Warlock (Middle)

Skill Build: W Q Q W Q R Q W W R E E E (1. Fatal Bonds 2. Shadow Word 3. Upheaval)
Starting Items: Null Talisman, Tangoes
Core Items: Bottle, Arcane Boots, Aghanim's Scepter
Situational Items: Mekansm, Pipe of Insight, Ghost Scepter
Extension Items: Refresher's Orb, Scythe of Vyse

New Guide
Bloodseeker (Lane)

New Skill Build: Q W W E W R W Q Q Q R E E E (1. Blood Rite 2. Bloodrage 3. Thirst)
Starting Items: Stout Shield, 3x Iron Branch, Tangos
Early Game: Boots of Speed, Magic Wand
Core Items: Power Treads, Blade Mail, Sange
One or Other: Sange & Yasha, Halberd
Situational Items: Black King Bar, Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Dagon
Extension Items: Heart of Tarrasque, Butterfly, Abyssal Blade

New Guide
Bloodseeker (Jungle)

New Skill Build: Q W Q E W R W W Q Q R E E E (1. Blood Rite 2. Bloodrage 3. Thirst)
Starting Items: Quelling Blade, Stout Shield, Tangos
Core Items: Hand of Midas, Power Treads, Blade Mail, Sange
One or Other: Sange & Yasha, Halberd
Situational Items: Black King Bar, Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Dagon
Extension Items: Heart of Tarrasque, Butterfly, Abyssal Blade

New Guide
Sniper (Middle)

Skill Build: E Q Q E Q R Q E E W R W W W R (1. Shrapnel 2. Take Aim 3. Headshot)
Starting Items: Tangos, Slippers of Agility, Iron Branch x3
Early Game: Bottle, Boots of Speeds, Magic Wand
Core Items: Phase Boots, Maelstrom, Shadow Blade
Situational Items: Mask of Madness, Sange & Yasha, Black King Bar
Extension Items: Daedalus, Eye of Skadi, Manta Style, Butterfly, Mjollnir, Satanic

New Guide
Leshrac (Middle)

Skill Build: (1. Lightning Storm 2. Split Earth 3. Diabolic Edict)
Starting Items: Mantle of Intelligence, Tangos, Iron Brances
Early Game: Bottle, Boots of Speed, Magic Wand
Core Items: Arcane Boots, Bloodstone, Aghanim's Scepter
Instead of Bloodstone: Veil of Discord, Blademail, Ghost Scepter
Situational Items: Power Treads, Blink Dagger, Black King Bar
Extension Items: Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Linken's Sphere, Shiva's Guard, Scythe of Vyse

New Guide
Phantom Lancer (Middle)

Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W (1. Phantom Lance 2. Phantom Rush 3. Doppelganger)
Starting Items: Stout Shield, Tangos, 3x Iron Branch
Early Game: Bottle, Power Treads, Drums of Endurance
Core Items: Diffusal Blade, Manta Style, Heart of Tarrasque
Purchase Level 2: Diffusal Blade
Situational Items: Medallion of Courage, Vladmir's Offering, Monkey King Bar
Extension Items: Butterfly, Assault Cuirass, Daedalus


Please rate them up as they are new guides and have difficulty garnering awareness of their releases!~

In addition to:

Kunkka (Middle) Build
Weaver (Lane) Build
Dragon Knight (Middle) Build
Skywrath Mage (Lane) Build
Tusk (Middle) Build
Naga Siren (Middle) Build
Elder Titan (Lane) Build
Ursa (Lane) Build
Nyx Assassin (Lane) Build
Axe (Jungle) Build
Ember Spirit (Middle) Build
Lifestealer (Lane) Build
Shadow Shaman (Middle) Build
Earth Spirit (Middle) Build
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-27 18:04:25
September 27 2014 17:32 GMT
#2059
What's the point of Shadow Blade on a Homing Missile focused Gyrocopter?

Also, I think Sniper should still take a value point in Headshot by 8.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 27 2014 18:03 GMT
#2060
Solo-killing power. Missile max is weaker than the other skills in teamfighting and farming speed and stronger in laning strength/solo-kill potential.

Start missile from fog->invis in->autoattack->Rocket Barrage/ult if necessary
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