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Nevuk
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On September 26 2014 15:47 Nevuk wrote: I think I used the SF guide earlier and was thoroughly confused by the skill build. It wanted necromastery at levels 1 3 5 7, wrong priority(right priority 1 point necromastery then max razes by 7, usual skill build maxes necromastery next with ult skipped until level 9). Not sure if that's just a 6.82 bug or something though. It threw me for a loop. Why only one point in Necromastery? I fixed the build order to be now: W Q Q W Q W Q W Q R E R | ||
TheYango
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OmegaPython
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govie
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if u want to spam the stun alot a soulring is good. a sven stun drains his manapool for 50% at earlier levels. After that you want to cash in on urn charges to heal up. Phaseboots increase the time you have to hit the target after the stun because u can move through creeps and the stunduration is not remarkable, it helps alot. Get a blink after into aghs. I still think hes a carry tho, the aghs upgrade didnt change him and a ganking sven is gimmicky  | ||
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On September 26 2014 16:08 OmegaPython wrote: You could always change the name of the Bloodseeker guide to lane. Don't leave old guides just because they have subscribers. I never abandon old guides so long as there is a following. Unfortunately, newer guides dont get many ratings so getting people to play alternative versions of heroes is very rare/difficult. I am creating a Lane guide. The mid guide is actually good in my opinion. Getting Bottle seems worthless at the start, but the cost for Blood Rite + Ult is BS's entire mana pool. With the amount of runes that come up and your ability to just spam people out of lane and push them out. I think it's good. But I need to play more games with it. I think for Lane, Bloodseeker should get 1 in W for the 3 second silence and then max Bloodrage into Thirst. On September 26 2014 16:07 TheYango wrote: He didn't mean only 1 point of Necromastery, but that you get it at level 1 and then max Raze, which is right. Its corrected. On September 26 2014 16:12 govie wrote: Soulring > urn > phaseboots > blink > aghs + skill cleave last if u want to spam the stun alot a soulring is good. a sven stun drains his manapool for 50% at earlier levels. After that you want to cash in on urn charges to heal up. Phaseboots increase the time you have to hit the target after the stun because u can move through creeps and the stunduration is not remarkable, it helps alot. Get a blink after into aghs. I still think hes a carry tho, the aghs upgrade didnt change him and a ganking sven is gimmicky Yeah I was looking at it and felt it was pretty gimmicky in the end or just not what people want him to be played as. I don't want to promote a contrary idea of his role. | ||
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govie
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On September 26 2014 16:18 Torte de Lini wrote: Yeah I was looking at it and felt it was pretty gimmicky in the end or just not what people want him to be played as. I don't want to promote a contrary idea of his role. I think i know because i tried a semisupport sven to many times (with mek without mek etcetcetc u can even find my brainfarts in that thread). I do still think the soulring was designed for heros like sven or coptor and could be core in pubs, even the managain/usage is equal. | ||
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TheYango
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I think for most concerns I have with the recent patch, I've updated the guides to a confident level. I made a tab called: Core - Aghanim's for Chen, but it might not stay if I don't think it's a good idea at all (and we'll see with more games played). The only two heroes I'm 100% unsure of is Elder Titan - Lane and Lone Druid. | ||
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On September 26 2014 16:33 govie wrote: Maybe watch IG and newbee, see what they come up with. Im pretty sure some teams will pickup the LD today. I'm scared his versatility will be even more insane. | ||
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Not sure about Ogre Magi mid, I think I just like the hero a lot. Probably wont do it either. | ||
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pedrlz
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what about 3-2-0-1 to 4-2-4-1/4-2-3-2? it seems it would be better in my opinion | ||
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On September 26 2014 22:04 pedrlz wrote: is lesh's edict better being only physical? I didn't play the hero after the patch, but I didn't even max the skill before if I wasn't steam rolling the towers, now it seems even pointless to get more than 1 or 2 points on the skills what about 3-2-0-1 to 4-2-4-1/4-2-3-2? it seems it would be better in my opinion I think it still does slightly more damage than Lightning and now with Pulse Nova, it can be relatively good. I was debating about it for awhile, and I prefer maxing Lightning if I'm going carry Leshrac. I recently changed it, so I'm hoping for more opinions as well. | ||
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TheYango
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On September 26 2014 22:04 pedrlz wrote: is lesh's edict better being only physical? I didn't play the hero after the patch, but I didn't even max the skill before if I wasn't steam rolling the towers, now it seems even pointless to get more than 1 or 2 points on the skills what about 3-2-0-1 to 4-2-4-1/4-2-3-2? it seems it would be better in my opinion It does same damage to towers, a tiny bit less to heroes without extra magic resistance, a good bit more damage to heroes with extra magic resistance, and significantly less to creeps or heroes with less than normal magic resistance. | ||
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ZasZ.
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On September 26 2014 16:54 Torte de Lini wrote: I won't be doing Phantom Lancer mid, doesn't make sense. Not sure about Ogre Magi mid, I think I just like the hero a lot. Probably wont do it either. I think middle lane is the best spot for PL now. He wants the levels, and between his Q/E and abundant runes he should be able to bully a lot of mid heroes and push the lane out once he starts making illusions at 6. Maxing his Q and E by a decent time makes him a really potent teamfight hero. | ||
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On September 27 2014 04:37 ZasZ. wrote: I think middle lane is the best spot for PL now. He wants the levels, and between his Q/E and abundant runes he should be able to bully a lot of mid heroes and push the lane out once he starts making illusions at 6. Maxing his Q and E by a decent time makes him a really potent teamfight hero. I haven't seen many people play him mid though ): I can't gauge how good it is. For late-game, do you think heart is still good? Diffusal -> Manta -> Heart? I've seen a lot of people go Drums before Diffusal which I think is more situational than core. | ||
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Newly Released Guides (Feedback and Ratings appreciated) New guides are always up for change and not final. Changes will follow as further testing continues.New Guide  Gyrocopter (Middle)Skill Build: Q W W E W R W Q Q Q R E E E (1. Homing Missile 2. Rocket Barrage 3. Flak Cannon) Starting Items: Tangos, 3x Iron Branch, Slippers of Agility Early Game: Bottle, Boots of Speed, Magic Wand Core Items: Phase Boots, Shadow Blade, Black King Bar Situational Items: Ring of Aquila, Drums of Endurance, Helm of the Dominator Extension Items: Monkey King Bar, Daedalus, Satanic New Guide Earth Spirit (Lane) Skill Build: Q W E E E R E Q W Q W R (1. Geomagnetic Grip 2. Boulder Smash 3. Rolling Boulder) Starting Items: 3x Iron Branch, Tangoes Early Game: Bottle, Boots of Speed, Magic Wand Core Items: Arcane Boots, Blink Dagger, Aghanim's Scepter Situational Items: Ghost Scepter, Force Staff, Blade Mail, Heaven's Halberd Extension Items: Veil of Discord, Heart of Tarrasque, Shiva's Guard, Scythe of Vyse New Guide  Warlock (Middle)Skill Build: W Q Q W Q R Q W W R E E E (1. Fatal Bonds 2. Shadow Word 3. Upheaval) Starting Items: Null Talisman, Tangoes Core Items: Bottle, Arcane Boots, Aghanim's Scepter Situational Items: Mekansm, Pipe of Insight, Ghost Scepter Extension Items: Refresher's Orb, Scythe of Vyse New Guide  Bloodseeker (Lane)New Skill Build: Q W W E W R W Q Q Q R E E E (1. Blood Rite 2. Bloodrage 3. Thirst) Starting Items: Stout Shield, 3x Iron Branch, Tangos Early Game: Boots of Speed, Magic Wand Core Items: Power Treads, Blade Mail, Sange One or Other: Sange & Yasha, Halberd Situational Items: Black King Bar, Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Dagon Extension Items: Heart of Tarrasque, Butterfly, Abyssal Blade New Guide Bloodseeker (Jungle)New Skill Build: Q W Q E W R W W Q Q R E E E (1. Blood Rite 2. Bloodrage 3. Thirst) Starting Items: Quelling Blade, Stout Shield, Tangos Core Items: Hand of Midas, Power Treads, Blade Mail, Sange One or Other: Sange & Yasha, Halberd Situational Items: Black King Bar, Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Dagon Extension Items: Heart of Tarrasque, Butterfly, Abyssal Blade New Guide  Sniper (Middle)Skill Build: E Q Q E Q R Q E E W R W W W R (1. Shrapnel 2. Take Aim 3. Headshot) Starting Items: Tangos, Slippers of Agility, Iron Branch x3 Early Game: Bottle, Boots of Speeds, Magic Wand Core Items: Phase Boots, Maelstrom, Shadow Blade Situational Items: Mask of Madness, Sange & Yasha, Black King Bar Extension Items: Daedalus, Eye of Skadi, Manta Style, Butterfly, Mjollnir, Satanic New Guide  Leshrac (Middle)Skill Build: (1. Lightning Storm 2. Split Earth 3. Diabolic Edict) Starting Items: Mantle of Intelligence, Tangos, Iron Brances Early Game: Bottle, Boots of Speed, Magic Wand Core Items: Arcane Boots, Bloodstone, Aghanim's Scepter Instead of Bloodstone: Veil of Discord, Blademail, Ghost Scepter Situational Items: Power Treads, Blink Dagger, Black King Bar Extension Items: Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Linken's Sphere, Shiva's Guard, Scythe of Vyse New Guide  Phantom Lancer (Middle)Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W (1. Phantom Lance 2. Phantom Rush 3. Doppelganger) Starting Items: Stout Shield, Tangos, 3x Iron Branch Early Game: Bottle, Power Treads, Drums of Endurance Core Items: Diffusal Blade, Manta Style, Heart of Tarrasque Purchase Level 2: Diffusal Blade Situational Items: Medallion of Courage, Vladmir's Offering, Monkey King Bar Extension Items: Butterfly, Assault Cuirass, Daedalus Please rate them up as they are new guides and have difficulty garnering awareness of their releases!~ In addition to: Kunkka (Middle) Build Weaver (Lane) Build Dragon Knight (Middle) Build Skywrath Mage (Lane) Build Tusk (Middle) Build Naga Siren (Middle) Build Elder Titan (Lane) Build Ursa (Lane) Build Nyx Assassin (Lane) Build Axe (Jungle) Build Ember Spirit (Middle) Build Lifestealer (Lane) Build Shadow Shaman (Middle) Build Earth Spirit (Middle) Build | ||
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Buckyman
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Also, I think Sniper should still take a value point in Headshot by 8. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Start missile from fog->invis in->autoattack->Rocket Barrage/ult if necessary | ||
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