EPTPicked up the 3600, a B450 motherboard, and 16gb 3200 cl16 ram.
Any reason why I would want to upgrade the psu from the Rosewill Capstone 450 Gold that I currently have?
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zekiY
United States11 Posts
Picked up the 3600, a B450 motherboard, and 16gb 3200 cl16 ram. Any reason why I would want to upgrade the psu from the Rosewill Capstone 450 Gold that I currently have? | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
My laptop is a 17" with an i7.6700K, 32GM of RAM, a GTX 1060, 1920x1080 display, a 1TB HDD and a 250GB SSD, and I basically use it as a work station for 3D modelling for games, so it runs a combination of Adobe software, Maya, Zbrush, Marmoset, Substance suite, and other shit that might be used on a case-by-case basis. Most gaming I do on it is usually indie games and none of it seems like its particularly demanding. In particular, the CPU has to be great for Zbrush, and then the GPU also needs to be great to handle all of the intense rendering in Zbrush and Maya (Zbrush is regularly rendering 2 - 50M polygons at any given time.) The i7.6700K hasn't felt even remotely challenged by what I do, but I feel like the GTX1060 hasn't been as ideal performance wise, so I'm less than sure about what balance between CPU/GPU I should find for running all of this software. I admit, sometimes I wish the performance on this laptop was a bit smoother, that being said I usually keep 3~ or more of these programs open at any given time, and almost always Maya and Zbrush open together all of the time. I know that there are specialty GPUs for running 3D software, but to be honest I'm a little hesitant about those because from what I understand they don't handle much else very well, but I'm not certain if "doesnt handle much else very well" means "can barely run The Binding of Isaac" or "Cant 100,000fps Cyberpunk 2077 at ultimate settings." I'm not really sure if I would want another laptop or if I'd want a proper desktop this time, but I am in a foreign country and Im not sure for how long I'll be living here (China,) but at least a year, maybe two, maybe more. My current laptop is a Sager NP9172, and frankly I've been extremely satisfied (except for this one time when the damn thing bricked, but I'm pretty sure it was a Windows problem rather than anything to do with the laptop, and since that incident its been working 100% ideally.) I'm open to other manufacturers, but frankly nothing was even remotely competitive price wise with Sager on my last search and I'm skeptical, for instance if I could even find similar specs with other manufacturers they were in the 3600USD range, and 2200ishUSD is definitely a hard cap for me. An example of what I would be looking at if I were to get a replacement right now would be something like this; Sager NP8978 17.3" Thin Bezel FHD (1920 x 1080) 144Hz, Wide View Angle, 72% NTSC Matte Display 9th Generation Intel Core i7-9750H Processor NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 GPU with 8GB GDDR6 (Max-Q design) 16GB DDR4 SDRAM at 2666MHz (1 x 16GB) 500GB Western Digital Blue SN500 M.2 NVMe SSD Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 9560 Wireless LAN + Bluetooth Going for about 2300USD. I paid 2200USD total for my current machine. For comparison, a laptop that would be receiving the latest Quadro GPU would be more like; MSI WS Series WS65 9TM-856 Mobile Workstation Intel Core i7 9th Gen 9750H (2.60 GHz) 32 GB Memory 512 GB NVMe SSD NVIDIA Quadro RTX 5000 3840 x 2160 Windows 10 Pro 64-bit But yeah, does anyone have any thoughts or recommendations about a new machine for 3D modelling? Quadro graphics card vs. GTX2080/70/60 and how the performance might differ between 3D modelling and playing not-hyper-intense games? Would the price difference for a desktop vs. laptop be worth going in on that? (aka. 500USD+ cheaper for a desktop as a baseline) | ||
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Lmui
Canada6221 Posts
On July 10 2019 08:53 zekiY wrote: Hey all, Picked up the 3600, a B450 motherboard, and 16gb 3200 cl16 ram. Any reason why I would want to upgrade the psu from the Rosewill Capstone 450 Gold that I currently have? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ Toss all your parts into the program, and in the top right there's a wattage estimator. If you're under 80% utilization, you're generally OK. The problem with the 80%-100% utilization range is that it can be excessively loud, and the heat may cause the PSU to fail. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6221 Posts
On July 11 2019 00:13 Zambrah wrote: So my poor 'ol laptop is getting to the point where its almost four years old, so I was thinking of starting to plan for my next upgrade. -snip- A desktop will blow the doors off a laptop any day of the week. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rpykhy I threw a bunch of parts together, and aimed at ~$1500. Toss another $300 at a monitor/peripherals and you're still well under what your laptop would cost, and this would dumpster a $4000 laptop. You can pretty easily cut off some costs, or add to them, with a ryzen 3900x, or picking a cheaper/more expensive GPU https://pixologic.com/zbrush/system/ zbrush is apparently purely CPU so GPU doesn't matter. For Maya/other programs, ymmv, check their official sites/forums for opinions on consumer vs pro gpus. Odds are you can get away with a consumer GPU though. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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$1200-1500 What is your monitor's native resolution? No lower than 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Not sure what games yet. But must be able to run crysis 😂 What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Multimedia creation, video post production, rendering, etc Do you intend to overclock? Possible Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Not sure yet. Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I'll find my own monitor. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. AMD ryzen What country will you be buying your parts in? US If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Best deals/rebates. | ||
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Craton
United States17275 Posts
On July 10 2019 08:53 zekiY wrote: Hey all, Picked up the 3600, a B450 motherboard, and 16gb 3200 cl16 ram. Any reason why I would want to upgrade the psu from the Rosewill Capstone 450 Gold that I currently have? Doubt it. Single card PCs these days are only pushing in the 300w range under heavy load. Everything continues to get more power efficient over the years. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On July 11 2019 02:39 Lmui wrote: A desktop will blow the doors off a laptop any day of the week. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rpykhy I threw a bunch of parts together, and aimed at ~$1500. Toss another $300 at a monitor/peripherals and you're still well under what your laptop would cost, and this would dumpster a $4000 laptop. You can pretty easily cut off some costs, or add to them, with a ryzen 3900x, or picking a cheaper/more expensive GPU https://pixologic.com/zbrush/system/ zbrush is apparently purely CPU so GPU doesn't matter. For Maya/other programs, ymmv, check their official sites/forums for opinions on consumer vs pro gpus. Odds are you can get away with a consumer GPU though. I know that the GPU is big for the viewports in the programs I use and in particular the slowest things are Maya's Quad draw function for retopology and Substance Painters painting function, I get like 2 seconds of lag between clicks or brushstrokes, I assume it's a GPU issue. But yeah, I'd be thrilled to get a desktop with a small chassis tbh, something mildly portable that doesn't require an entire suitcase unto itself. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6221 Posts
On July 11 2019 02:48 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: What is your budget? $1200-1500 What is your monitor's native resolution? No lower than 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Not sure what games yet. But must be able to run crysis 😂 What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Multimedia creation, video post production, rendering, etc Do you intend to overclock? Possible Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Not sure yet. Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I'll find my own monitor. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. AMD ryzen What country will you be buying your parts in? US If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Best deals/rebates. Just putting some parts together: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DybpyX $1390, with $50 in MIR Where you can adjust: Up: Motherboard - Limited USB slots, fairly low-end board that supports ryzen 9s (limited room to OC but ryzen doesn't OC much anyways). A X470 based board would have more usb 3.x slots if you need them. I don't think X570 is worth it at the moment. Case - This is a barebones, ATX case, a better case is probably quieter and has better airflow. Down: (-$80) SSD - Do you want/need 1TB of SSD storage? If not 500GB is significantly cheaper (-$110) GPU - Pretty overkill for 1080p, even at 144hz - 2060 Super costs significantly less with fairly similar performance Amazon+newegg get pretty much all the parts at the same price, so pick a store or two, you don't have to go with the suggestions. I think the OP should probably be adjusted to remove the SLI/Crossfire question. I don't think I or anyone else in this thread will ever recommend a SLI system with how powerful cards are now, and AMD gave up on crossfire. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On July 12 2019 06:05 Lmui wrote: Just putting some parts together: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DybpyX $1390, with $50 in MIR Where you can adjust: Up: Motherboard - Limited USB slots, fairly low-end board that supports ryzen 9s (limited room to OC but ryzen doesn't OC much anyways). A X470 based board would have more usb 3.x slots if you need them. I don't think X570 is worth it at the moment. Case - This is a barebones, ATX case, a better case is probably quieter and has better airflow. Down: (-$80) SSD - Do you want/need 1TB of SSD storage? If not 500GB is significantly cheaper (-$110) GPU - Pretty overkill for 1080p, even at 144hz - 2060 Super costs significantly less with fairly similar performance Amazon+newegg get pretty much all the parts at the same price, so pick a store or two, you don't have to go with the suggestions. I think the OP should probably be adjusted to remove the SLI/Crossfire question. I don't think I or anyone else in this thread will ever recommend a SLI system with how powerful cards are now, and AMD gave up on crossfire. Thank you. its been over 15 years since attempted, so I wanted to get a suggestion before purchasing anything. And the SSD will fill up quick with my work doing heavy graphical stuff. Need it for C4D, Revit, VRay, etc. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6221 Posts
On July 12 2019 06:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Thank you. its been over 15 years since attempted, so I wanted to get a suggestion before purchasing anything. And the SSD will fill up quick with my work doing heavy graphical stuff. Need it for C4D, Revit, VRay, etc. Spinning metal is cheaper than an SSD for storing stuff, it's just that the vast majority of users aren't coming close to using 1TB up. If you're in danger of using more than 1TB, maybe opt for a 250gb or 500gb, and pick up a hard drive instead? Vray/Revit seem to be pretty CPU heavy so maybe consider if you use them enough to justify a 3900x https://www.techspot.com/review/1869-amd-ryzen-3900x-ryzen-3700x/ The vray test showed the 3900X ~30% faster than the 3700x - it costs ~$170 more but if your time is valuable you'd likely make up the difference over a year. Also @Zambrah https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6DPzBb I threw this together for an matx build with a GPU from Maya's certified list: https://knowledge.autodesk.com/sites/default/files/HardwareCertification_Maya_Arnold_MotionBuilder_Mudbox2019.1_v02.pdf The case measures 210 x 412 x 413 mm (~9"x16.5"x16.5") so just a bit too square to be a carry on bag, but still pretty damn small. The GPU is theoretically more powerful than the 2060 super, so should handle games and your programs pretty well. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On July 12 2019 07:23 Lmui wrote: Spinning metal is cheaper than an SSD for storing stuff, it's just that the vast majority of users aren't coming close to using 1TB up. If you're in danger of using more than 1TB, maybe opt for a 250gb or 500gb, and pick up a hard drive instead? Vray/Revit seem to be pretty CPU heavy so maybe consider if you use them enough to justify a 3900x https://www.techspot.com/review/1869-amd-ryzen-3900x-ryzen-3700x/ The vray test showed the 3900X ~30% faster than the 3700x - it costs ~$170 more but if your time is valuable you'd likely make up the difference over a year. Also @Zambrah https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6DPzBb I threw this together for an matx build with a GPU from Maya's certified list: https://knowledge.autodesk.com/sites/default/files/HardwareCertification_Maya_Arnold_MotionBuilder_Mudbox2019.1_v02.pdf The case measures 210 x 412 x 413 mm (~9"x16.5"x16.5") so just a bit too square to be a carry on bag, but still pretty damn small. The GPU is theoretically more powerful than the 2060 super, so should handle games and your programs pretty well. Perfect. Yeah, I'm an architect, so I would be using these programs almost religiously. Plus my other side gigs would benefit from having the extra oomph. Thanks a lot Lmui. I bookmarked the site and will probably cop it all next month paycheck. Cheers! Kampai! Edit: I was just going to comment that I'd probably go with the 500GB SSD for running programs and a regular 2TB HDD for saving files. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6221 Posts
On July 12 2019 08:54 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Perfect. Yeah, I'm an architect, so I would be using these programs almost religiously. Plus my other side gigs would benefit from having the extra oomph. Thanks a lot Lmui. I bookmarked the site and will probably cop it all next month paycheck. Cheers! Kampai! Edit: I was just going to comment that I'd probably go with the 500GB SSD for running programs and a regular 2TB HDD for saving files. Cheers man. Just a few notes since you're planning on buying a month out: 1. RAM can be substituted pretty easily because prices change frequently, DDR4-3200, CAS16 RAM has the best price/performance ratio, so just pop in whatever quantity you need, whether it's 16gb (2x8gb) or 32 (2x16gb). 2. Similarly for motherboards: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c7qj5e/am4_vcore_vrm_ratings_to_help_you_decide_on_a/ The spreadsheet in this post is absolutely amazing. The max amperage even on a 3950X should draw is 95A, so anything which is green at 150A is fine, even with overclocking. Just make sure to get one with BIOS flashback so that it can be updated to support your CPU without having an older CPU. You generally want a B450/X470 motherboard | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
Or should I just get a 3600 in your opinion? Trying to figure out how much better performance they would get than my current 2600, which I'm not satisfied with its performance in SC2. I overclocked the 2600 to 4.0 GHz just to get a little more juice out of it although it's not stable in stress testing. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9025 Posts
On July 12 2019 10:40 Lmui wrote: Cheers man. Just a few notes since you're planning on buying a month out: 1. RAM can be substituted pretty easily because prices change frequently, DDR4-3200, CAS16 RAM has the best price/performance ratio, so just pop in whatever quantity you need, whether it's 16gb (2x8gb) or 32 (2x16gb). 2. Similarly for motherboards: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c7qj5e/am4_vcore_vrm_ratings_to_help_you_decide_on_a/ The spreadsheet in this post is absolutely amazing. The max amperage even on a 3950X should draw is 95A, so anything which is green at 150A is fine, even with overclocking. Just make sure to get one with BIOS flashback so that it can be updated to support your CPU without having an older CPU. You generally want a B450/X470 motherboard A co-worker showed me this, so I'm thinking of copping it: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6hF48d/asus-prime-x470-pro-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-x470-pro I got a 500gb SSD and a 1tb HDD. The price I'm at currently is $1191 without a case. | ||
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Johnnycashew
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Around this time in 2013, I ended up building THIS computer with some help from the nice people here, so I figured I'd ask for help again! Will soon be heading into a bachelor degree program that concerns Game Development, but even though my program focuses more on the programming aspect rather than the assets aspect, I will still need to run game building engines and modeling programs at an acceptable level. What is your budget? Not much I'm afraid, I can probably only afford something between $400-$800 since I'm a poor FT College student. If I could re-use any of my old parts that'd be cool. Aside from the SSD (Which is used for OS only) I have a 2TB Internal HDD and a 458GB Internal HDD. What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? At this point, probably not many games. Stuff like World of Warcraft Classic, WC3 Remastered, and remastered classics that get re-released on Steam. I would prefer to play them on Medium-High settings. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? As I explained near the top, being able to run programs like Maya, Unity, Unreal Editor, 3ds Max, etc. at acceptable levels is kinda key. I would also like to be able to stream to Twitch with my new machine. Do you intend to overclock? Most likely not, unless you think such a thing is necessary. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Ditto above. Do you need an operating system? I do not. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I have all the peripherals I need, I think. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Whatever is budget effective. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Highly prefer Newegg/Amazon. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6221 Posts
On July 13 2019 15:10 Superiorwolf wrote: Currently have a Ryzen 5 2600 on this motherboard https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07FJ8V8FV and thinking about changing to a Ryzen 5 3600X. I read that this motherboard is very cheap so it has pretty bad/no VRMs. Would it be a problem running the Ryzen 5 3600X if I have no plan to overclock it? I know the 3600X has a higher power draw than the 2600X but would it be fine at stock settings? Or should I just get a 3600 in your opinion? Trying to figure out how much better performance they would get than my current 2600, which I'm not satisfied with its performance in SC2. I overclocked the 2600 to 4.0 GHz just to get a little more juice out of it although it's not stable in stress testing. Just get a 3600. It's functionally identical to the 3600X, and save the $50. The 3600 uses equal/less power than the 2600 so you'll be fine. If you're worried, spend $10 and buy another case fan. @ZerOCoolSC2 That motherboard should be fine, just be aware of the BIOS update requirement. AMD has a program to provide a CPU for updating BIOS if required, but the board itself doesn't support USB flashing of the BIOS. On July 16 2019 03:40 Johnnycashew wrote: Hey there, I'm coming up on a 6 year anniversary since the last time I built a machine and am thinking of upgrading. Around this time in 2013, I ended up building THIS computer with some help from the nice people here, so I figured I'd ask for help again! Will soon be heading into a bachelor degree program that concerns Game Development, but even though my program focuses more on the programming aspect rather than the assets aspect, I will still need to run game building engines and modeling programs at an acceptable level. What is your budget? Not much I'm afraid, I can probably only afford something between $400-$800 since I'm a poor FT College student. If I could re-use any of my old parts that'd be cool. Aside from the SSD (Which is used for OS only) I have a 2TB Internal HDD and a 458GB Internal HDD. What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? At this point, probably not many games. Stuff like World of Warcraft Classic, WC3 Remastered, and remastered classics that get re-released on Steam. I would prefer to play them on Medium-High settings. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? As I explained near the top, being able to run programs like Maya, Unity, Unreal Editor, 3ds Max, etc. at acceptable levels is kinda key. I would also like to be able to stream to Twitch with my new machine. Do you intend to overclock? Most likely not, unless you think such a thing is necessary. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Ditto above. Do you need an operating system? I do not. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I have all the peripherals I need, I think. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Whatever is budget effective. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Highly prefer Newegg/Amazon. I recommend spending a fraction of the money, getting a good cooler and overclocking the 3570k, like the cooler below. https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16835608041 And then buying a GPU upgrade on top like a 2060 super: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=2060 super Or a budget friendly option like the 1660 TI https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=1660 ti While yes, it is possible to build a machine that is OK, it's going to be fairly compromised by the budget limitation. As far as upgrades go, these two things can be tossed into any future PC (Noctua has their secufirm mounting program where they send you whatever you need to upgrade to a different socket) If you do still want to upgrade the rest of the PC, a good starting point is this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CDsJ6s You'll need a GPU for gaming (Either 1660 ti, or 2060 Super or 5700 XT are the best options), and can reuse storage, case, PSU and peripherals from your old build. Edit:: For reference my build (from 2013, with GPU upgrade) can comfortably play SC2 at over 60FPS on 2560x1440: i5 4670k @4.1ghz Noctua NH-U12A 2x8gb DDR3 RAM 2133mhz GTX 1080 The 2060 Super is pretty overkill for 1920x1080, but can give you some headroom to buy a 120/144hz monitor if you'd like, or run multi-monitor setups. I'm less familiar with the streaming side - if you can offload the streaming load to the GPU, the 3570k will live for a fair while longer. | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6221 Posts
On July 16 2019 09:05 Superiorwolf wrote: Thanks Lmui. So the extra 0.2 GHz overclock wouldn't be a big performance increase for a game optimized for a single core like SC2 in your opinion? There's a fair bit of discussion here: https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/ccxeqx/gamers_nexus_amd_ryzen_5_3600x_review_vs_r5_3600/ as well as in the video review linked there. Generally, most people think no. If you're planning on doing a flat OC to 4.3ghz, then it's a hard no because 3600=3600x in that scenario. The only case that I can see is stock clocks, and PBO overclocking, there's some benefit to the 3600X. Personal choice though, I argue for either getting 3600 or stepping up to 3700X Edit:: This was posted this morning: https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/cdy21f/ryzen_5_36003600x_performance_overview/ Not much compares the 3600/3600X directly but so far, it's not much of an increase for your money. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
any thoughts/improvements upon this build please | ||
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Lmui
Canada6221 Posts
On July 19 2019 07:53 teddyoojo wrote: https://www.mindfactory.de/shopping_cart.php/basket_action/load_basket_extern/id/2573df2217362ffe3497a44e1599351e3a63ac16a641eee59ae any thoughts/improvements upon this build please Your motherboard doesn't support BIOS flashback, but it's fine otherwise for a 3600. You may need to get an upgrade kit from AMD, or have the retailer do it for you. Check the motherboard's specs on their website https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/edit#gid=639584818 There's very little reason to get a RMx PSU. The TX series ones are partially modular, still gold rated and have the required ATX cables attached to the PSU. You save a fair chunk of change. https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/550-Watt-Corsair-TX-M-Series-TX550M-Modular-80--Gold_1164494.html As long as you're aware that the 2060 Super exists, it's up to you whether or not the premium for the 2060 Super is worth the price uplift over a heavily discounted 2060 - the 2060 super essentially the same as a 2070. Edit:: Thinking about it, your case is 200mm wide, the cooler is gonna be a tight squeeze at best. Realistically, you don't need a giant noctua tower for a 3600. A 120mm noctua tower, or any other well rated tower is probably better for your use case. You'd might be better off saving the money on the cooler, and upgrading to a 3700X with the stock cooler which'd perform better than the 3600 in pretty much every scenario besides noise - The AMD stock cooler is quite competent Edit2:: Checked, your case has 160mm of clearance, the noctuas definitely can't fit. Find a smaller cooler. Even 120mm towers are going to be a tight squeeze with that height limit. | ||
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