EPTI'm not worried about the stock cooler. The one on the 3700x+ seems to be the Wraith Prism which is decent, although loud. Buying a "proper" cooler will give lower temps, a lot less noise and marginally more performance (as little as low single digit % unless you live somewhere hot) but given the cost it's not strictly required. The coolers shipped with AMD's CPU's play a very substantial part of their value proposition.
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
I'm not worried about the stock cooler. The one on the 3700x+ seems to be the Wraith Prism which is decent, although loud. Buying a "proper" cooler will give lower temps, a lot less noise and marginally more performance (as little as low single digit % unless you live somewhere hot) but given the cost it's not strictly required. The coolers shipped with AMD's CPU's play a very substantial part of their value proposition. | ||
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ApatheticSchizoid
Canada85 Posts
On August 05 2019 09:48 Lmui wrote: G-Sync compatible is literally Nvidia going to Freesync, and marketing proper G-sync as a higher end product. https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16824025955?Description=27GL850 &cm_re=27GL850-_-24-025-955-_-Product This is your best bet in the near future. It's a new panel, about to release and reviews are pretty damn stellar so far: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/cjre41/lg_27gl850b_review_and_first_impressions/ It's unlikely other manufacturers will have the panel to make their own monitors in the near future (LG makes the panel/monitor). It's at the top end of your price range but not much you can do about that for a new product. Is there any difference between a g-sync compatible monitor and a proper g-sync monitor? Tried googling, but didn't find much. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6218 Posts
On August 08 2019 03:29 ApatheticSchizoid wrote: Is there any difference between a g-sync compatible monitor and a proper g-sync monitor? Tried googling, but didn't find much. https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/g-sync-ces-2019-announcements/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/g-sync-monitors/ | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
On August 08 2019 03:29 ApatheticSchizoid wrote: Is there any difference between a g-sync compatible monitor and a proper g-sync monitor? Tried googling, but didn't find much. The G-sync module allows for per-frame-adaptive overdrive which prevents weird motion blurring artifacts associated with a refresh rate that isn't constant. It also improves behavior around the minimum & maximum frametimes supported by the monitor. All of the gsync module monitors AFAIK have minimal input lag, but not all of the certified monitors do because they use regular monitor tech (different per monitor) which may or may not have added lag. Certified monitors passed a lot of extra testing and module monitors passed way more still. The freesync / adaptive sync monitors that aren't gsync certified have an absurd range of quality; some of them are very usable but others are worse than just using a static refresh rate. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6218 Posts
tftcentral just updated their high refresh rate article: https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/high_refresh_rate.htm LG and AUO have their 27" 144hz panels in production now, and a few others are coming soon: The IPS table is interesting since AUO has a few high refresh rate options coming later this year, at 165hz and 240hz for IPS in the 27" size. Not much new in the VA/TN space though as far as I can tell | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Looks like the 3900x in 2+2+2+2 config (let alone 3+3+3+3) consistently beats the 3800x in 4+4 config by a non-negligable margin. The L3 cache capacity improvements would seem to outweigh the now-much-smaller ccx-to-ccx latency gaps. There's something else as well, the poster commented that AMD clarified on the memory write performance drop on some Ryzen 3 CPU's. The IO to memory links for reading and writing are 32 bits wide. The chiplet-to-IO link for memory reading is 32 bit but the write link is only 16 bits. That means that each chiplet can individually access 100% of the available memory read speed, but only 50% of the write speed. | ||
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ddams
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Is this comp is good enough for SC2 in the max set up ? PC HP Obelisk Omen 875-0086nf Gaming with Windows10 Processor : Intel Core i5 8400, 6 cœurs (6 hearts ?) Frequency : from 2.8 GHz to 4 GHz Chipset : Intel H370 Memory : HyperX SDRAM DDR4-2666 (1 x 8 Go) RAM : 8go Hard drive : 1To SSD : 256Go Graphic card : NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Video memory : 4 Go GDDR5 Thank you. | ||
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Cyro
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Simberto
Germany11672 Posts
They often skimp on those, and then you find out that your PSU is the shittiest cheapest thing you could possibly find, wasting lots of energy and endangering your components. (Cores) | ||
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ddams
4 Posts
On August 10 2019 18:39 Simberto wrote: Since that appears to be a prebuilt PC, i would take a look at all the things that are not in that list. Mainboard, PSU, coolers, etc... They often skimp on those, and then you find out that your PSU is the shittiest cheapest thing you could possibly find, wasting lots of energy and endangering your components. (Cores) For more info (but it's in french) https://www.fnac.com/PC-HP-Obelisk-Omen-875-0086nf-Gaming/a13177418/w-4 | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
it's 1333 & 1600. Any risk ? Or is it just that both ram will go at 1333 (because that would not be a problem for her) ? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
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ddams
4 Posts
On August 10 2019 18:39 Simberto wrote: Since that appears to be a prebuilt PC, i would take a look at all the things that are not in that list. Mainboard, PSU, coolers, etc... They often skimp on those, and then you find out that your PSU is the shittiest cheapest thing you could possibly find, wasting lots of energy and endangering your components. (Cores) I found some of the info you talk about : Mainboard : Référence HP Socket LGA1151 Chipset Intel H370 PCI 1 x PCIe 3.0 16x PSU : Power 300 W Certification 80 Plus Bronze Is it still good for SC2 ? | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On August 10 2019 21:24 Cyro wrote: Will probably work fine but lose a bit of performance Thx Cyro. Just wanted to make sure it had not change with recent hardware  | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
What is your current build? [2010] CPU: Phenom II 1090T [2017] GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB [2010] MB: Asus Crosshair IV Formula [2010, 2018] RAM: 2 x 2GB G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 1333 (PC310666), 2 x 8GB Corsair Vengeance Pro DDR3 1600 (PC312800) [2018] SSD: 250 GB (Gift, I don't remember, will edit) [2011] IHD: SAMSUNG 1TB 7200RPM [2010] Case: RAIDMAX Smilodon [2011] PSU: 600W Tt Year of purchase precedes entries in brackets. What is your monitor's native resolution? 1: 1920x1080 2: like 1400x1050? I dunno its a decent monitor with a weird square resolution I use as a secondary. Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade? I feel I should upgrade my CPU, mobo and case at this time It has been 8.5 years since I built this PC. The mobo, case, Ripjaws RAM, CPU and IHD are all unchanged from the 2011 build. I notice some slowdown/chugging in CPU intensive situations. Some recent games do not support the Phenom II architecture and I worry that this is a sign of things to come. If I want to upgrade my CPU I think I need to upgrade the mobo as well since it only supports AM3. If I am going to update the mobo, I might as well replace the case while I'm in there. The case I have is old, the fans are crap, it's cramped, gets hot and is really just not a very good case. It was a Christmas gift but I think I have reached the point where I can ditch it without incurring too much guilt. I've had it for 8 years and during that time I can confidently say that it has been a case. But that's about it and if I'm tearing everything out of it anyways, might as well move on. Anyways, that's my assessment of the current state of my build. I'm no expert and maybe you have wildly different advice (hence this post). Hell, maybe something else is horribly wrong in there. Assuming I'm on the right track, I'm mainly looking for advice regarding the CPU/mobo. Cases have the subjective aesthetic facet and the sticky has some brand suggestions so I feel confident I can make that choice on my own. But again, I could be completely wrong about everything and maybe you have some better advice. I suppose the form factor of the mobo upgrade contributes to this as well but I figure pretty much everything suggested is gonna be ATX. The build is mainly a gaming PC but I also use it for video/graphics editing (microscopy) and music production (amateur scale, I'm not running a studio). What is your budget? Pricing is not really an issue. I mean, I'd like to keep it under 1k USD at the absolute most but I feel like I have a lot of room to upgrade the current system and should be able to get a nice return in performance for way less (but that's why I'm asking here for advice). I would like to strike a good balance between value and longevity. I don't need to break the bank on something to eke out a few extra pixels of performance, but I would like to make a somewhat future-proof purchase. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify. Not really. Usually buy from Newegg or Amazon. I know prices fluctuate all the time and that new products are released on certain schedules etc, so my main question here is; Would this be a good time to upgrade my mobo/cpu? If so, do you have any recommendations? If not, approx. when should I be looking into this again? Thanks very much! Edit: Clarity | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
A 3700x is also a decent option - it has 8 cores instead of 6 and comes with a better cooler but the price is substantially higher | ||
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Lmui
Canada6218 Posts
Some considerations: 1. Mobo recommendations are a bit hard ATM. B450/x470(last gen) generally works but support is hit/miss at the moment. X570 (current gen) has a few new features at a much higher cost/power consumption and noise 2. B550 - likely to not offer much over b450 releases q1ish next year The 3600 and 3700X are both solid choices. Given that you seem to keep systems a long time, I recommend going with 3700x since it matches next gen consoles as far as core/thread count goes | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Edit: is there a good thermal paste I should get? Or does it come with stock? | ||
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Lmui
Canada6218 Posts
On August 14 2019 00:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Good luck finding a 3700x. Been looking and every time I'm about to cop one, the shit is gone. Frustrating as hell. Even my case by fractal design is taking forever. Got the mobo quick enough. Trying to cop ram and the ssd but the ram is sold out. Edit: is there a good thermal paste I should get? Or does it come with stock? Well I did a quick search of local sites, and damn, I would've thought the stock issues would've been resolved a month in. I guess AMD is busy tossing the good dies into EPYC to make more money. I guess the options are 3600 or 3800X without waiting - (Pretty much a no-contest in favour of 3600) Amazon says this in Canada, and I'm sure most other retailers are the same.... FREE Delivery Wednesday, October 2 - Tuesday, November 12 Usually ships within 1 to 3 months. Personal choice then I guess. Both the 3600 and 3700X are the best buys in their budget ranges. As far as thermal paste goes, the stock cooler comes with paste pre-applied. If you want a better paste, I've always been a fan of arctic cooling MX-4 because it's non-conductive and fairly easy to apply. MX-2 is good too, MX-3 is too thick and difficult to work with. If you get a noctua cooler, their paste is also quite nice (It's very thin, so application is a breeze) | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9008 Posts
On August 14 2019 00:33 Lmui wrote: Well I did a quick search of local sites, and damn, I would've thought the stock issues would've been resolved a month in. I guess AMD is busy tossing the good dies into EPYC to make more money. I guess the options are 3600 or 3800X without waiting - (Pretty much a no-contest in favour of 3600) Amazon says this in Canada, and I'm sure most other retailers are the same.... FREE Delivery Wednesday, October 2 - Tuesday, November 12 Usually ships within 1 to 3 months. Personal choice then I guess. Both the 3600 and 3700X are the best buys in their budget ranges. As far as thermal paste goes, the stock cooler comes with paste pre-applied. If you want a better paste, I've always been a fan of arctic cooling MX-4 because it's non-conductive and fairly easy to apply. MX-2 is good too, MX-3 is too thick and difficult to work with. If you get a noctua cooler, their paste is also quite nice (It's very thin, so application is a breeze) Yeah. I told my coworker and he pulled like 5 sites that had them. I don't think they did. You just confirmed. I'll keep looking and hopefully I can get one by end of the month and not next fiscal year. I'll look at getting the mx-4 as well. Thanks. | ||
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