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On June 16 2019 01:59 Dingodile wrote: I have a Win10 Key and Win10 Education 1803 install. We all know now that Ryzen 7nm performance benefit of 1903 May version. Can I download the newer install version and use the key for that? Or just install the 1803 version and it will update to the newest version automatically?
Unsure, but in general, the key shouldn't change between versions of Windows so either way should work.
It will update to the newer version eventually, assuming it works similar to the enterprise version where updates may be delayed but will always eventually be installed.
I'm having some trouble understanding power supplies. The guide at the start of this thread says that the bronze-gold ratings are really easily gamed for example. I have some questions then:
1. What do I look at when I'm trying to pick one that is reliable and quiet? So far, I'm looking through the jonnyguru reviews, which seems great.
2. How do I find out how much 'headroom' I need for a given build?
Also confused about why some motherboards with the same PCIe slots, ram slots, socket type, and IO ports cost triple that of others
3. What 'features' or traits of a motherboard are the important ones to look at besides the most basic features like above? edit: is there a way to tell if it has good linux support?
On June 26 2019 04:45 jamaar wrote: Hi, I want to build a new pc, does anyone want to rate my build? Looking to play CS:GO, SC2, LoL atm. Anything that I should spend more/less on?
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600, 3.4GHz (3.9 GHz Turbo Boost) Heatsink: be quiet! Pure Rock Slim MoBo: GIGABYTE AORUS B450 Elite RAM: Corsair 16GB DDR4-3000 GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 2060 GAMING Z 6G Case: be quiet! Silent Base 601 PSU: Corsair RM550X, 550W
Thanks!
Wait 2 weeks. You could probably get a ryzen 3600 when it releases (6C/12T, 3.6GHz to 4.2GHz) and that's (according to rumours) going to be better stock than any overclocking you can do on the 2600. There's not much point buying the CPU/mobo/cooler/RAM now when it's so close to release date (July 7th).
Not particularly, the big messy launch was the original ryzen one a few years prior because it was basically a ground-up rebuild of the CPU architecture and motherboards. This is much closer to the established lineup although with some very serious performance improvements under the hood.
Some changes in particular (as i've commented on around the last page of this thread) will help gaming performance - especially on certain games - by even more than the average of other workloads; they've commented that the ryzen 3000 8-core will be 34% faster in CSGO than the ryzen 2000 8-core.
I apologies. I didn't read the Op last time. Hopefully this is better.
What is your budget? $1000 US dollar
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1980 (Ancient but does it's work)
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Old late 1990-2000. I want something to run newer things (Witcher 3) but not required.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Light work related things. (Notepad++ etc)
Do you intend to overclock? No.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Nice but not needed.
Do you need an operating system? No.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. AMD
What country will you be buying your parts in? preferable US but Phil would be ok to.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. No.
On June 26 2019 13:55 Eversince wrote: I apologies. I didn't read the Op last time. Hopefully this is better.
What is your budget? $1000 US dollar
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1980 (Ancient but does it's work)
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Old late 1990-2000. I want something to run newer things (Witcher 3) but not required.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Light work related things. (Notepad++ etc)
Do you intend to overclock? No.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Nice but not needed.
Do you need an operating system? No.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. AMD
What country will you be buying your parts in? preferable US but Phil would be ok to.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. No.
I found this on a thread on Reddit a few hours ago - it's a good starting point for a Ryzen 3000 build. Best to wait until benchmarks before committing.
The incompatibility warning about CPU cooler should be ignored, it does come with a cooler
Possible modifications: - You can go down to a Ryzen 3600 to save $50 - SSD is cheap and provides good value for storage capacity. If you don't need 1tb, you could find a faster 512gb - RAM could be faster, but depends heavily on benchmarks
For 1920x1080, this is about as much computer as you need.
On June 26 2019 13:55 Eversince wrote: I apologies. I didn't read the Op last time. Hopefully this is better.
What is your budget? $1000 US dollar
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1980 (Ancient but does it's work)
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Old late 1990-2000. I want something to run newer things (Witcher 3) but not required.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Light work related things. (Notepad++ etc)
Do you intend to overclock? No.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Nice but not needed.
Do you need an operating system? No.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. AMD
What country will you be buying your parts in? preferable US but Phil would be ok to.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. No.
I found this on a thread on Reddit a few hours ago - it's a good starting point for a Ryzen 3000 build. Best to wait until benchmarks before committing.
The incompatibility warning about CPU cooler should be ignored, it does come with a cooler
Possible modifications: - You can go down to a Ryzen 3600 to save $50 - SSD is cheap and provides good value for storage capacity. If you don't need 1tb, you could find a faster 512gb - RAM could be faster, but depends heavily on benchmarks
For 1920x1080, this is about as much computer as you need.
I've only gone through CPUs so far. Overall conclusions:
- AMD is competitive with Intel in single/lightly threaded applications - Still behind in games, but the gap is close (<5% at 1080+). - There's essentially 0 overclocking headroom. Turn on PBO, let the application overclock because your manual overclock is gonna be slower in 90% of workflows (anything that isn't loading all cores) - Value-wise, AMD beats Intel. - If you use any multi-threaded applications, AMD took a dump over intel's HEDT lineup. The 3900X beats pretty much everything Intel has to offer, and the 3950X will do it harder later this year. - Power efficiency of AMD is above Intel - If all you do is game or lightly threaded workflows, get intel and OC it, which will give you better performance, otherwise, AMD is probably a better bet - As expected, at high resolutions, there's almost no performance difference in GPU workflows (drops to <2% at 4k in most cases)
It really depends on the game with AMD making some wild gains in some (+43% gen to gen in CSGO by LTT's third party benchmarks lol!) to lead Intel and yet falling short in others by double digit %. I haven't been able to find benchmarks for even some of the popular CPU-heavy games in the genres that i play like SC2 and WoW so it's hard to judge exactly how well they'd perform there.
As expected, at high resolutions, there's almost no performance difference in GPU workflows
Neither CPU is holding back performance because another component in the system (the GPU) is even slower than the weakest CPU; that makes it impossible to identify any difference in performance between the two CPU's.
Games only lose performance when you dial up graphics and resolution, they don't gain FPS and so being incapable of a certain FPS at 720p means that you're guaranteed not to reach it at 1080p or 4k.
You can actually infer a lot more about CPU game performance on easy GPU settings than you can on hard ones, since the GPU being slower than either (or even both) CPU's only gets in the way. That's useful if you're trying to explore if you're CPU or GPU limited on a very specific configuration but not so much for making wider assertions about which CPU is better suited for a task or by how much.
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Those GPU's are wild compared to AMD's older stuff. Part of it's on beating Nvidia to 7nm but they just doubled perf/watt gen to gen, gddr vs gddr. Looks like they're back in the game instead of using way cheaper, inferior tech to make sales.
The price/perf and competition in the GPU market looks very solid now with where AMD has positioned the 5700 / 5700 XT and Nvidia cutting prices on some options by 1.4x.
$200 6c12t ryzen 3000 is definitely an awesome buy
Seems like their overclocking is less than advertised and delidding isn't worthwhile.
It's soldered, ya. The clocks thing is an ongoing controversy which seems to actually be related to issues with day 1 motherboard software from AMD rather than the hardware itself, as people are reporting as much as 200-300mhz average CPU clock gains by updating it. Entire reviews are being retested atm.
Seems like their overclocking is less than advertised and delidding isn't worthwhile.
It's soldered, ya. The clocks thing is an ongoing controversy which seems to actually be related to issues with day 1 motherboard software from AMD rather than the hardware itself, as people are reporting as much as 200-300mhz average CPU clock gains by updating it. Entire reviews are being retested atm.
The day 1 reviews are a crapshoot. Anandtech is re-doing all their benchmarks because of this - first half-second is unboosted, and the max boost is gimped.
I swear, if they had given up the 7/7 thing, and pushed it back 1 week, we'd have a clearer picture of what the expected performance is.
As far as the 5700/5700 xt goes, the 5700 xt seems to be the card to get once AIB partners release better coolers. On the stock cooler running at 100% fan speed, it OC'd ~20% and got within touching distance of the 2080 which is pretty insane.
Edit:: Thinking about it, the best buys of this release are: 1. Ryzen 3600 2. 5700 XT 3. Ryzen 3900X for MT workloads 4. Ryzen 3700X
I expect the 3600 will do something like what the Q6600 did a longass time ago, and push the majority of pre-built computers to 6 cores. Hopefully the driver problems get sorted, because the average consumer doesn't touch them, ever.
Yeah, a guy strapped a 390 cooler to one and clocked to 2150mhz which is insane when you consider the reference cooler thermal throttled to 1670mhz. Cooler, quieter and so much faster!
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