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unfortunately brands like evga/seasonic aren't available in korea so i won't be able to swap that out.
i do agree that 850w is a bit overkill - i'll see if i can downgrade it to 650w and save a bit of money there.
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sup guys, im moving soon and i wanted to order 2-3 relatively good, yet cost efficient comps for my new place (and they definitely have to be able to run an oculus rift). i dunno if there are any deals available now but i thought i'd wait until i could get a good deal on a 4790k or a 6770k. i haven't been following the tech scene lately but i assume those 2 are the best bang for your buck cpus, correct?
that being said i might stream in the future so i was thinking about going w/ the 5820k, ind. cores are weaker but its still a high performance cpu. the downside of the 5820k is that its more power hungry than the 6770k/4790k and i wanna get an energy efficient cpu.
my budget is around 1000-1500k, im waiting for pascal to come out before i start shopping, the GPU prices should drop by a decent amount.
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4790k or a 6770k. i haven't been following the tech scene lately but i assume those 2 are the best bang for your buck cpus, correct?
Because of Intel's pricing, 6600k is a lot better perf/$ and if you want more multithreaded performance it can make sense to go straight to 5820k.
5820k is higher power consumption (125w, 150w and 250w for a 6600k, 6700k and 5820k are believable numbers under an encoding load and achievable overclocks)
With a 100% baseline for 6600k, you'd expect 6700k to be at ~120% performance and 5820k to be ~1.25x higher still (150% of baseline) for x264 encoding
5820k would be about 10-15% worse ST performance
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On February 02 2016 13:01 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +4790k or a 6770k. i haven't been following the tech scene lately but i assume those 2 are the best bang for your buck cpus, correct? Because of Intel's pricing, 6600k is a lot better perf/$ and if you want more multithreaded performance it can make sense to go straight to 5820k. 5820k is higher power consumption (125w, 150w and 250w for a 6600k, 6700k and 5820k are believable numbers under an encoding load and achievable overclocks) With a 100% baseline for 6600k, you'd expect 6700k to be at ~120% performance and 5820k to be ~1.25x higher still (150% of baseline) for x264 encoding 5820k would be about 10-15% worse ST performance
interesting, ty
what are your thoughts on the Xeon E3-1231V3 (compared to the 6600k/5820k)? seems like a good bang for your buck alternative if i dont plan on oc'ing (not sure yet), ideally i just want a stable and cool comp. i assume that i'll be able to easily run an oculus rift w/ that cpu aswell.
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If you don't plan on touching settings then 6700k is the best CPU performance-wise (it's closer to an overclocked profile out of the box)
but if that's what you want, you can optimize a lot more (to gain power efficiency on a 6700k or performance on a 6600k/5820k) by tweaking settings.
6600k/xeon and 5820k are using more non-OC-like settings
i assume that i'll be able to easily run an oculus rift w/ that cpu aswell.
Depends on how good of a CPU you need to keep the games at ~100fps. Could be near-trivial with any decent hardware or impossible, depending on the game and developers
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On February 02 2016 14:38 Cyro wrote:If you don't plan on touching settings then 6700k is easily the best CPU (it's closer to an overclocked profile out of the box) but if that's what you want, you can optimize a lot more (to gain power efficiency on a 6700k or performance on a 6600k/5820k) by tweaking settings. 6600k/xeon and 5820k are using more non-OC-like settings Depends on how good of a CPU you need to keep the games at ~100fps. Could be near-trivial with any decent hardware or impossible, depending on the game and developers
the Xeon E3-1231V3 is starting to look like a good middle ground between the i5 and i7, im planning to build 2-3 comps so i dont wanna blow ~550$ (6700k) on a CPU. i just want something that'll be stable/cool while being able to run games smoothly (when im streaming).
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I still vote oc 6600k if you're happy with stock-xeon level of MT performance but xeon is reasonable if you don't want to touch anything. Not hard to get a stable + cool overclock this gen
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On February 02 2016 15:03 Cyro wrote:
I still vote oc 6600k if you're happy with stock-xeon level of performance but xeon is reasonable if you don't want to touch anything
is there really a big difference between the 2 performance-wise? because i haven't read that.
i can get them both at identical prices (350$)
i can also save a few bucks by getting a H97 instead of a Z170
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On February 02 2016 15:06 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 15:03 Cyro wrote:
I still vote oc 6600k if you're happy with stock-xeon level of performance but xeon is reasonable if you don't want to touch anything is there really a big difference between the 2 performance-wise? because i haven't read that. i can get them both at identical prices (350$)
OC 6600k around 5% better with 8 threads and 20-30% better in lower threaded situations but probably a bit more motherboard cost, though that does allow for faster RAM too (which helps more)
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On February 02 2016 09:44 GTR wrote:
unfortunately brands like evga/seasonic aren't available in korea so i won't be able to swap that out.
i do agree that 850w is a bit overkill - i'll see if i can downgrade it to 650w and save a bit of money there.
If you can pick up the Superflower Leadex Gold Platform then you'll have basically the same PSU.
I was afraid of not being up to speed on Korean vendors.
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On February 02 2016 15:14 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 15:06 TT1 wrote:On February 02 2016 15:03 Cyro wrote:
I still vote oc 6600k if you're happy with stock-xeon level of performance but xeon is reasonable if you don't want to touch anything is there really a big difference between the 2 performance-wise? because i haven't read that. i can get them both at identical prices (350$) OC 6600k around 5% better with 8 threads and 20-30% better in lower threaded situations but probably a bit more motherboard cost, though that does allow for faster RAM too (which helps more)
ill probably end up getting the 6600k or 5820k cus i wanna be able to upgrade to DDR4 eventually. if it weren't for that i'd go with the Xeon.
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A mild overclock is super easy and can make a noticeable difference in gaming. It's worth the investment IMO.
The 6600K has better single-threaded performance which is really what you want for gaming, but times are starting to change. It's still not very common yet, but there are some games out there (GTA V comes to mind) that perform noticeably better (with the same overclock) on an i7-6700K vs an i5-6600K. The extra threads CAN help, depending on what you do.
Basically: if you plan on playing huge AAA titles or streaming heavily/editing for YouTube, you'll probably be better off with the 5820K (or 6700K if you can get a reasonable price). If you're just chilling and gaming, maybe occasionally streaming, the 6600K is perfectly fine.
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On February 03 2016 07:50 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 15:14 Cyro wrote:On February 02 2016 15:06 TT1 wrote:On February 02 2016 15:03 Cyro wrote:
I still vote oc 6600k if you're happy with stock-xeon level of performance but xeon is reasonable if you don't want to touch anything is there really a big difference between the 2 performance-wise? because i haven't read that. i can get them both at identical prices (350$) OC 6600k around 5% better with 8 threads and 20-30% better in lower threaded situations but probably a bit more motherboard cost, though that does allow for faster RAM too (which helps more) ill probably end up getting the 6600k or 5820k cus i wanna be able to upgrade to DDR4 eventually. if it weren't for that i'd go with the Xeon.
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I was expecting you to get DDR4 with any of those CPU's
+ Show Spoiler +The 6600K has better single-threaded performance which is really what you want for gaming, but times are starting to change. It's still not very common yet, but there are some games out there (GTA V comes to mind) that perform noticeably better (with the same overclock) on an i7-6700K vs an i5-6600K. The extra threads CAN help, depending on what you do. Those games and tasks that scale well onto 5-6+ threads run well on the 5820k too, price-wise it's often good to jump straight from 6600k to 5820k. The main reasoning for a 6700k is that a 5820k isn't straight out better than a 6600k (wins some loses some), while a 6700k is, if you want the strengths of the 6600k. If you can choose between high clock i5 and low clock i7, OC'd i5 wins - that's because the frequency allows it to match the gains from HT in high threaded tasks while pushing it to 20% lead in the tasks that don't scale with HT
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On February 03 2016 21:55 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 07:50 TT1 wrote:On February 02 2016 15:14 Cyro wrote:On February 02 2016 15:06 TT1 wrote:On February 02 2016 15:03 Cyro wrote:
I still vote oc 6600k if you're happy with stock-xeon level of performance but xeon is reasonable if you don't want to touch anything is there really a big difference between the 2 performance-wise? because i haven't read that. i can get them both at identical prices (350$) OC 6600k around 5% better with 8 threads and 20-30% better in lower threaded situations but probably a bit more motherboard cost, though that does allow for faster RAM too (which helps more) ill probably end up getting the 6600k or 5820k cus i wanna be able to upgrade to DDR4 eventually. if it weren't for that i'd go with the Xeon. ?? I was expecting you to get DDR4 with any of those CPU's + Show Spoiler +The 6600K has better single-threaded performance which is really what you want for gaming, but times are starting to change. It's still not very common yet, but there are some games out there (GTA V comes to mind) that perform noticeably better (with the same overclock) on an i7-6700K vs an i5-6600K. The extra threads CAN help, depending on what you do. Those games and tasks that scale well onto 5-6+ threads run well on the 5820k too, price-wise it's often good to jump straight from 6600k to 5820k. The main reasoning for a 6700k is that a 5820k isn't straight out better than a 6600k (wins some loses some), while a 6700k is, if you want the strengths of the 6600k. If you can choose between high clock i5 and low clock i7, OC'd i5 wins - that's because the frequency allows it to match the gains from HT in high threaded tasks while pushing it to 20% lead in the tasks that don't scale with HT
i mean theres not a big difference in performance between a DDR3 and DDR4 (at least not until a few more years) right now which is why i was thinking about getting a more cost efficient build (with a Xeon/DDR3/H97), the only downside is that it wont be upgrade-able. i'd be able to stream, run my oculus and any game i want (ill be getting a gtx 970).
the main thing is being able to run oculus tho, thats why im buying 2-3 comps (oculus parties etc.).. but i might run into some trouble in a few years (higher performance games etc.).
afaik the E3-1231V3 is a 1150 socket so DDR4 wont work w/ it
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There's a notable performance difference between h97 + ddr3 1600c9 compared to z107 ddr4 3000c15, like 5-10% in sc2 and some other games. Small compared to CPU gen change and overclock vs stock, but notable
afaik the E3-1231V3 is a 1150 socket
Yeah that's last gen, confused me for a bit i thought it was Skylake. So similar as before, but it's cheaper, weaker and dd3-1600.
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When it comes to Oculus, 970/290 is the baseline recommended performance. Next gen flagships are expected to be ~2.5x faster (as it's a big jump and 970 isn't near flagship performance ATM). I expect GPU performance to be a bigger limitation for playing oculus-designed games, but for playing general games with the oculus (which are not designed to run as easily at high FPS) the CPU could be more relevant
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current build that im aiming for: (from NCIX)
-INTEL® CORE™ I7-6700K Processor 8M Cache 4GHZ Base 4.2GHZ Turbo FC-LGA1151 Retail Box:
534$
-MSI Z170A PC Mate ATX LGA1151 Z170 DDR4 2PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 2PCI SATA3 HDMI DVI VGA USB3.1 Motherboard:
160$
-GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 970 OC 1253 MHz 4GB 7.0GHZ GDDR5 2xDVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Video Card:
475$
-G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series F4-2400C15D-16GVR DDR4 2400MHZ 16GB (2X8GB) Memory Kit:
110$
-Corsair CX Series CX600M 600W ATX 12V 80 Plus Bronze Modular Power Supply:
95$
-Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 1366/1150/1155/1156/2011:
47$
-Samsung 850 EVO 250GB 2.5” SATA 3 Solid State Drive (SSD) With AES-256 Encryption:
130$
-Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB SATA 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Hard Drive OEM:
70$
-Cooler Master N200 mATX / mITX Tower Case Black 1X5.25 3X3.5 4X2.5 USB3.0 *No PSU*:
58$
-Samsung SH-224FB 24X SATA DVD Writer Black:
23$
-Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64Bit English DVD OEM:
200$
Total: $1,952.84
So yea.. bit pricey (considering i'm buying 3x of each part). I'm gonna wait 6-7 months before ordering everything, the Canadian dollar should bounce back by then (hopefully) and the 970 is going to be cheaper with the release of Pascal. The 6700k is way overpriced atm aswell, ill wait until i can get it at a good price.
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CM N200 is matx case, your mobo of choice is atx, so wont fit in. also, if you are waiting 6-7 mths, may as welll just wait and get pascal gpu and may be broadwell x99/skylake xeon. 6700k price should drop by then as well
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