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On February 04 2016 11:28 bluegarfield wrote: CM N200 is matx case, your mobo of choice is atx, so wont fit in. also, if you are waiting 6-7 mths, may as welll just wait and get pascal gpu and may be broadwell x99/skylake xeon. 6700k price should drop by then as well
edit: nvm, ty
has intel said when they play on releasing the 6900K/6850K/6800K? you're right i should just upgrade to broadwell-e if im gonna wait anyways, 6/12 is gonna be a worthwhile upgrade.
information regarding broadwell-e are mostly just rumours, but it should be out by mid-year or so. not sure if the additional cost is justified though. I think 6700K will still do more than good enough for streaming and playing VR games, and by mid year supply should be enough to bring the price down for it to be more cost-effective choice. Pascal/Arctic Island is going to bring the most performance improvement to VR though.
-G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series F4-2400C15D-16GVR DDR4 2400MHZ 16GB (2X8GB) Memory Kit: 110$
-Corsair CX Series CX600M 600W ATX 12V 80 Plus Bronze Modular Power Supply: 95$
-Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 1366/1150/1155/1156/2011: 47$
-Samsung 850 EVO 250GB 2.5” SATA 3 Solid State Drive (SSD) With AES-256 Encryption: 130$
-Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB SATA 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Hard Drive OEM: 70$
-Cooler Master N200 mATX / mITX Tower Case Black 1X5.25 3X3.5 4X2.5 USB3.0 *No PSU*: 58$
-Samsung SH-224FB 24X SATA DVD Writer Black: 23$
-Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64Bit English DVD OEM: 200$
Total: $1,952.84
So yea.. bit pricey (considering i'm buying 3x of each part). I'm gonna wait 6-7 months before ordering everything, the Canadian dollar should bounce back by then (hopefully) and the 970 is going to be cheaper with the release of Pascal. The 6700k is way overpriced atm aswell, ill wait until i can get it at a good price.
Please don't get the CX600M if you're going for a mid-high end build. Those components don't deserve such a mediocre PSU.
First and foremost, ty for the thread that helped me quite a lot with numerous informations.
Then let's jump to the topic : I do require your help for a build ()
My old laptop just died few weeks ago, and therefore I need to get a new. I've decided to build it myself, since the costs were lower. But after a few searches on the net I realized that it was not true. I found some (I think) great builds already and I need your advice on that.
My budget was 1k€, and I already own a mouse, a keyboard, and a mousepad. So, no need to buy that.
Here is what I found :
Comp : Processor (CPU) Intel Core i5 6500 (3.20GHz) Video Card (GPU) Sapphire Radeon R9 380 Nitro Dual-X OC Motherboard MSI B150M PRO-VDH Memory (RAM) 2*4 Go Crucial DIMM DDR4 PC17000 Primary Storage 1To Western Digital caviar Blue Power Supply (PSU) Be Quiet Pure Power L8 430W 80+Bronze Case Zalman Z11 Plus
Total : 799€
Already built, without OS.
My question are : - Is the PSU enough for that configuration ? - Should I get another cooling system for my proc (knowing that I probably won't OC it, or at least not that much), or could I wait a little ? - Do you find the build correct for the price ?
With that I intended to take 2 monitors and a new cooling system :
Acer K222HQLbid 109.90€ LG 20M37A 89€ Cooler Master X Dream i117 9€
Total : 207.90€
Total cost : 1006.90€ (website Matériel.net, french one with good critics)
My primary concern being for the PSU. Cause if I need to change this, I will maybe just get 1 monitor and purchase a new PSU and a cooling system to achieve my 1k budget.
For upgrading, I do not intend to do it in a near future, but I wanna get a SSD asap. For games, it'd be to play to SC:BW, SCII, LoL, D:OS, PoE, and maybe Star Citizen, but not soon
- If going by actual power consumption, a 430W PSU should be enough for you build, assuming you are not going to overclock your GPU as well. However that unit is on the lower quality tier, so 430W low tier might be cutting it too close. Can consider something like Seasonic S12II (non-modular) or M12II (modular) for something cheap and good. Sorry not able to navigate the website for more options now. swapping to GTX960 can help lighter the load on PSU, but it's slightly worse than R9 380. Given the games you play, either cards should do fine (No idea about Star Citizen, so double check that)
- Stock cooler is fine for i5-6500, unless you are really annoyed by the noise. Honestly I cant hear much noise from intel stock cooler, but your ears may be more sensitive. Also, I don't think Cooler Master X Dream i117 is gonna do much better. If you really really want something better and quieter, get Cooler Master Hyper 212, providing it fits the case.
- Pricing: sorry no idea about prices in EU. May be just do price compare manually lol.
- SSD: you want one asap, like now. In fact, if you are building a new system, I would recommend getting SSD first, then some WD Blue HDD later on. Installing Windows right off the bat on SSD and you save a lot of trouble compared to transferring windows from HDD to SSD in the case you get SSD later on.
-G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series F4-2400C15D-16GVR DDR4 2400MHZ 16GB (2X8GB) Memory Kit: 110$
-Corsair CX Series CX600M 600W ATX 12V 80 Plus Bronze Modular Power Supply: 95$
-Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 1366/1150/1155/1156/2011: 47$
-Samsung 850 EVO 250GB 2.5” SATA 3 Solid State Drive (SSD) With AES-256 Encryption: 130$
-Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB SATA 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Hard Drive OEM: 70$
-Cooler Master N200 mATX / mITX Tower Case Black 1X5.25 3X3.5 4X2.5 USB3.0 *No PSU*: 58$
-Samsung SH-224FB 24X SATA DVD Writer Black: 23$
-Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64Bit English DVD OEM: 200$
Total: $1,952.84
So yea.. bit pricey (considering i'm buying 3x of each part). I'm gonna wait 6-7 months before ordering everything, the Canadian dollar should bounce back by then (hopefully) and the 970 is going to be cheaper with the release of Pascal. The 6700k is way overpriced atm aswell, ill wait until i can get it at a good price.
Please don't get the CX600M if you're going for a mid-high end build. Those components don't deserve such a mediocre PSU.
will do, ill re-post my build (which is most likely going to be updated depending on specials etc.) and ask for everyones opinion when im ready to make my purchase. thx for the help everyone!
Just one thing I didn't mention, is that the build is a prebuilt done by the website and they say it's not possible to adjustate the components , I might check that with them to see if we can't cut a deal nonetheless. (that's about the fact that you suggest that I switch from R9 380 to GTX960, it might not be possible.)
- Ok so the power given for that build is ok, around 450W, but the quality is low so I should check on something better. The website propose the S12II for 62.99€, so I'm definitely going to check that. About Star Citizen, it's probably not coming in open beta before next year, maybe even later, so I'll definitely be able to upgrade the computer when needed ^^
- Ok for the cooler, I read that Intel one's weren't that good, and were really noisy. I absolutely don't care about the noise, so that's no big deal. I checked the Hyper 212, it's the one i'm going to take I think.
- For the SSD, I think I will wait nonetheless coz as I said, I don't think i'll be able to adjustate with the website, so I might not be able to get anything else but the HDD. Anyway, I know someone that might be able to help me with the transferring from HDD to SSD since he already have done it last year for his own PC. But I'll contact the website to see if I can make them modify the build slightly.
Thanks a lot for the answer and the informations, I appreciate that a lot !!
^He's playing on max settings GPU heavy games 1080p/1440p with a 670 which is like one third of performance of current flagships, so the results are unsurprising
This is a good video
CPU perf differences are expected when CPU bound, not when GPU bound. Likewise, a gtx960 and 980ti would run sc2 identically whenever it matters, even though the 980ti is way better
"demonstrates how relevant the 2600k is, especially at high resolutions or in GPU intensive games" - Replace that sentence with "Games that you don't mind running at way lower FPS than a 6700k is capable of". Going to higher resolution doesn't make the CPU any better. It just makes FPS drop until CPU is no longer the limiting factor. That's fine on some games, not fine on others. Relevant as in not completely destroyed is definately true, but it's not an equal either.
Put simply, the CPU determines the performance ceiling of the game - if you want to play below that ceiling, it doesn't matter which CPU you have. For some games the ceiling with every CPU will be high enough to make CPU choice basically irrelevant, for others it's so low that there's no point going past a low-mid end GPU (like for an sc2 system) because you'll be waiting for even the fastest CPU's
I still don't recommend 6700k given pricing - 6600k, fastish RAM (like 3000c15), decent mobo and put the rest of the money somewhere else IMO.
On February 04 2016 20:14 SkrollK wrote: @bluegarfield :
Ty for the quick and detailled answer bro
Just one thing I didn't mention, is that the build is a prebuilt done by the website and they say it's not possible to adjustate the components , I might check that with them to see if we can't cut a deal nonetheless. (that's about the fact that you suggest that I switch from R9 380 to GTX960, it might not be possible.)
- Ok so the power given for that build is ok, around 450W, but the quality is low so I should check on something better. The website propose the S12II for 62.99€, so I'm definitely going to check that. About Star Citizen, it's probably not coming in open beta before next year, maybe even later, so I'll definitely be able to upgrade the computer when needed ^^
- Ok for the cooler, I read that Intel one's weren't that good, and were really noisy. I absolutely don't care about the noise, so that's no big deal. I checked the Hyper 212, it's the one i'm going to take I think.
- For the SSD, I think I will wait nonetheless coz as I said, I don't think i'll be able to adjustate with the website, so I might not be able to get anything else but the HDD. Anyway, I know someone that might be able to help me with the transferring from HDD to SSD since he already have done it last year for his own PC. But I'll contact the website to see if I can make them modify the build slightly.
Thanks a lot for the answer and the informations, I appreciate that a lot !!
As it is a bit hard for me to navigate the website, I would suggest you calculate the component price separately and see how much different the total price of buying individual components vs pre-built system. while the pre-built is definitely cheaper, if the difference is not much, or you can stomach the addition cost, I would suggest going for the self-build route (also need confidence in putting things together yourself). Saving a few bucks by going for pre-built is totally not worth it imo if it means settling for lesser components. Quality components can last you very long. As for SSD, it's ok if you don't mind the trouble of disk cloning or if someone else is doing it for you, just wanted to let you know the cons. Try finding a Crucial BX100 (may be 128GB) for cheap is still worth it imo
I think it's already cheaper than the pre-built, or my calculator is wrong or I didnt include a components. In a rush now, will check later. Anyway, I kinda choose cheapest option for each components, but they are still of some quality. You get better PSU, an SSD. Case is just randomly picked lol. For none overclock and non-fancy features, any B150 mobo should work.
For the mobo+cpu+ram combo, you can try finding individual components and see if they fit your needs more
Build from last year about this time and a few upgrades:
CPU: i7-5820K (overclocked to 4.4 GHz) CPU Cooler: Thermalright Silver Arrow IB-E GPU: MSI NVIDIA GTX 980 Twin Frozr (4 GB) Motherboard: Gigabyte X99-UD4 Memory: 2x 4 GB Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR 4 2400 MHz (upgraded to 16 GB) SSD: Samsung 850 Pro 1 TB (it wasn't part of build initially) Monitor: BenQ XL2411Z (144 Hz)
It's still going strong and there's not even need for me to switch to Skylake. Both in terms of finance and performance.
Motherboard was initially being retarded when overclocked but CMOS reset once lets me shut PC down as many times as I want without having to re-enter my OC settings.
According to pcpartpicker.com you can still find it here. A 750 sbould work as well. Im not familiar with anything lower than that, actually im not even sure if gpu lower spec than that worth the proce at all, but 750/750Ti is prolly the cheapest out there. Can try finding a used one
Cant check the exact model atm but that one you found might be easier on the psu (not require 6pin power) Ti is just upgrade version compare to original gtx750, better overall. I didn't check performance of gtx750 in those games, so cant say much
Hi, I'm thinking to upgrade my GTX 680 to GTX 970 or 980. The card performs fine but I can no longer go Ultra at new games. I use my computer mainly for gaming at 1920x1080 resolution.
i5-4570 is my CPU and I have 8 GB Ram. Would a 970 or a 980 be a good deal for me? Would they be compatible with my motherboard? (I think mine was H87M-PRO)
I think I'm willing to spend around 600-700 USD for the card.
Also, this is the retailer I'll be buying the card from. Obviously it's not in English, but if any of you can find a good deal here (using the filters located at the left, for model/chipset/RAM etc), I'd also appreciate it a lot. I really have no idea at how the current cards rank in relation to each other and price.
On February 08 2016 00:44 Bleak wrote: Hi, I'm thinking to upgrade my GTX 680 to GTX 970 or 980. The card performs fine but I can no longer go Ultra at new games. I use my computer mainly for gaming at 1920x1080 resolution.
i5-4570 is my CPU and I have 8 GB Ram. Would a 970 or a 980 be a good deal for me? Would they be compatible with my motherboard? (I think mine was H87M-PRO)
I think I'm willing to spend around 600-700 USD for the card.
Also, this is the retailer I'll be buying the card from. Obviously it's not in English, but if any of you can find a good deal here (using the filters located at the left, for model/chipset/RAM etc), I'd also appreciate it a lot. I really have no idea at how the current cards rank in relation to each other and price.
On February 08 2016 00:44 Bleak wrote: Hi, I'm thinking to upgrade my GTX 680 to GTX 970 or 980. The card performs fine but I can no longer go Ultra at new games. I use my computer mainly for gaming at 1920x1080 resolution.
i5-4570 is my CPU and I have 8 GB Ram. Would a 970 or a 980 be a good deal for me? Would they be compatible with my motherboard? (I think mine was H87M-PRO)
I think I'm willing to spend around 600-700 USD for the card.
Also, this is the retailer I'll be buying the card from. Obviously it's not in English, but if any of you can find a good deal here (using the filters located at the left, for model/chipset/RAM etc), I'd also appreciate it a lot. I really have no idea at how the current cards rank in relation to each other and price.
I myself found a 980x around 2300 Liras in the website (700-800 USD). Much thanks for the suggestions.
New GPU gen this year but we don't have good details for when or what it'll mean for price/performance ratios (though performance and performance/watt will be going up a substantial amount)
For current gen vs a gtx680 at decent overclocks, this was roughly correct when i last did benchmarks and checked numbers:
I think with your budget and having a 4 year old card, you might want to grab a next gen high-end-ish or flagship card on release. Even a mid-range card of next gen will easily double your current one in performance but higher end should be awesome
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, I might check that with them to see if we can't cut a deal nonetheless. (that's about the fact that you suggest that I switch from R9 380 to GTX960, it might not be possible.)
