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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
August 17 2015 09:41 GMT
#10501
On August 17 2015 18:31 Incognoto wrote:
Crucial MX SSDs or Samsung 850 EVO are the go-to, off the top of my head.

I can vouch for Crucial having a very easy RMA service to work with.

120GB for 69€ or 128GB for 70€ :D
What about SanDisk Plus 120GB? It costs 52€.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-17 14:28:03
August 17 2015 14:25 GMT
#10502
My friend is using one for couple of months with no issues. Not much info about them on the net so there's not much to say other than "why they are so cheap?", unless Cryo stops by sometime

Sandisk has an other model called "ultra plus" which is same price with most other ssd's, there must be some quality difference between them.

SSD's last long and they are reusable when your laptop completes its lifetime, so it maybe better to get a trusted one while spending money.
Age of Mythology forever!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-17 17:40:56
August 17 2015 17:31 GMT
#10503
unless Cryo stops by sometime


I don't know much aside from googling that particular model not bringing up many reviews~ my personal opinion is to overspend on stuff that's annoying to replace anyway, i've already had one SSD die on me (which was among the most reputable at the time)

850 evo has the 5 year warranty and should be reliable but i don't really trust samsung to fix a problem if one comes up after the 840/840 evo stuff where they basically just told everyone to deal with it or buy a new drive. Crucial and Intel sound a bit better there

http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00RQA6TEI/?tag=pcp05-21 87 euro for 250GB, i don't know if that site is usable (german amazon)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-17 18:27:35
August 17 2015 18:26 GMT
#10504
I may have been a bit too hasty.. Just look at the 5 gaming benchmarks for broadwell, whelp! The 128mb L4 cache is putting in some real work when it comes to gaming.
http://www.sweclockers.com/test/20908-intel-core-i7-5775c-och-i5-5675c-broadwell/13#content
Too weird to live, too rare to die.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-17 19:33:15
August 17 2015 19:07 GMT
#10505


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Radeon vs Nvidia dx11 driver performance gap shown, singlethreaded perf still extremely important on this game bench w/ dx12

all stock:
fx6300 ~28fps
fx8370 ~32fps
i3 4330 ~37fps
i7 6700k ~ 72fps

still worth nothing that it's alpha performance, i doubt dx12 drivers are anywhere near mature and that's still Hawaii GPU, so several years old and not latest GCN architecture. However if that affects performance then it's kinda AMD's own fault for re-releasing a two year old GPU in one of the popular price points

"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Daye9111
Profile Joined July 2015
11 Posts
August 18 2015 02:01 GMT
#10506
Does anyone know of an cpu overclocking tool for intel i7 960 3.2, msi x58 motherboard and windows 7?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
August 18 2015 02:33 GMT
#10507
You should overclock in bios, not with a program
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Daye9111
Profile Joined July 2015
11 Posts
August 18 2015 02:53 GMT
#10508
I cant get into the bio's, when i start the computer up it says no hard disk detected.
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
August 18 2015 04:38 GMT
#10509
Sounds like you have bigger issues than knowledge about overclocking.

How are you even booting into an OS if your pc doesn't detect your harddrive?
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-18 20:49:09
August 18 2015 20:46 GMT
#10510
This is probably stupid, especially voltage, but it seems that Skylake CPUs are good for overclocking.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/intel-core-i7-6700k-skylake-hits-nearly-7ghz/

Edit: it's definitely stupid to underclock cores to 1 and to disable hyperthreading, but overclocking seems to be good anyway. I don't like these type of records because they're useless in real work.
Daye9111
Profile Joined July 2015
11 Posts
August 18 2015 21:43 GMT
#10511
It loads after the black screen disappears after a few seconds, so no bigger issues... Just looking for a program right now
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
August 18 2015 21:49 GMT
#10512
On August 19 2015 05:46 darkness wrote:
This is probably stupid, especially voltage, but it seems that Skylake CPUs are good for overclocking.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/intel-core-i7-6700k-skylake-hits-nearly-7ghz/

Edit: it's definitely stupid to underclock cores to 1 and to disable hyperthreading, but overclocking seems to be good anyway. I don't like these type of records because they're useless in real work.


it's interesting nonetheless

i finally pulled the trigger on a skylake i5 and i'm going to mess around with that little sucker

maru lover forever
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
August 18 2015 21:51 GMT
#10513
On August 19 2015 06:43 Daye9111 wrote:
It loads after the black screen disappears after a few seconds, so no bigger issues... Just looking for a program right now


If you want to access BIOS/EUFI, you need to press F2 during boot. It might be different based on computer, your motherboard manual will tell you if that's the case. By default your computer quickly boots into your OS on the detected drive, but before that there is the option to boot into BIOS. BIOS is where you overclock.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-18 22:00:02
August 18 2015 21:58 GMT
#10514
@day9111

its usually "Delete" button to go into Bios when it boots up.

moderately spam "delete" when it booting on, pressing "Tab" will get rid of the splash screen so you know whats going on.
though i dont know if this applies to all systems, its like F10 on some computers.

i'm noob so take my words with a grain of salt, just repeating what i did for my computer. easiest way to overclock slightly is just to increase BCLK (base clock) in bios. i have a i7 920, i'd imagine you can over clock it same way. the default base clock if i recall is 130 or 140 (for my i7 920), i increased it to 160 or 170 to get me from 2.67ghz to 3.5-3.6ghz. i didnt change anything else, rest are "auto". maybe it'll eat up my cpu faster without optimizing but its been stable.

increase it slightly, like by 10. save bios and reboot, open up cpu-z and see how much increase you got and repeat and rinse for more.

just google "i7 overclocking" + your motherboard.
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-18 22:54:27
August 18 2015 22:52 GMT
#10515
It's system specific in my opinion. In my case, it's F2. Older BIOS was F8 or F12 (maybe F8 was safe mode back then), so it definitely changes.

Edit:


Common keys to enter the BIOS are F1, F2, F10, DEL, ESC, as well as key combinations like CTRL + ALT + ESC or CTRL + ALT + DEL, although those are more common on older machines.


http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/enter-bios-computer/
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
August 18 2015 23:35 GMT
#10516
On August 19 2015 06:43 Daye9111 wrote:
It loads after the black screen disappears after a few seconds, so no bigger issues... Just looking for a program right now


You should really use your motherboard BIOS for all CPU overclocking instead of software

On August 19 2015 06:58 jinorazi wrote:
@day9111

its usually "Delete" button to go into Bios when it boots up.

moderately spam "delete" when it booting on, pressing "Tab" will get rid of the splash screen so you know whats going on.
though i dont know if this applies to all systems, its like F10 on some computers.

i'm noob so take my words with a grain of salt, just repeating what i did for my computer. easiest way to overclock slightly is just to increase BCLK (base clock) in bios. i have a i7 920, i'd imagine you can over clock it same way. the default base clock if i recall is 130 or 140 (for my i7 920), i increased it to 160 or 170 to get me from 2.67ghz to 3.5-3.6ghz. i didnt change anything else, rest are "auto". maybe it'll eat up my cpu faster without optimizing but its been stable.

increase it slightly, like by 10. save bios and reboot, open up cpu-z and see how much increase you got and repeat and rinse for more.

just google "i7 overclocking" + your motherboard.



2 things that need to be watched out for:

1; auto voltages when OCIng can be very bad, it's much better to manually set the main ones affected. To do that safely you probably need a decent guide - otherwise you might have a voltage that will kill your CPU in a month or a year and you wouldn't know about it

2; These CPU's had turbo multipliers set as if they had 133mhz base clock. For example they can go up by 2 multipliers when few cores are loaded highly, so at stock that would be +266mhz. If you use 170mhz base clock, it would go up +340mhz because 170*2 is more than 133*2. Disabling turbo or adjusting settings so that you have a constant maximum speed is probably better
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Vix_Vaporub
Profile Joined March 2012
6 Posts
August 19 2015 01:37 GMT
#10517
What is your budget?
1500-1900

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1080p, But I plan on moving to 1440p with this new computer.

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
I'm mostly a Dota 2 player, but I also play Arma, Dayz, The total war series. Maybe I'll get back into SC eventually . I'd like to be able to play these and newer on the highest settings if possible with my budget.

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Internet, watching TV/Movies, nothing else I can think of that would matter.

Do you intend to overclock?
Probably not, as I am computer build illiterate.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
I don't think I need to go to those lengths. I only know what it is based on the first post in this thread, if you guys think I need it then let me know.

Do you need an operating system?
Yes, I'll get windows 10

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
I currently have a 24''1080p monitor, but I'm probably going to upgrade with this build to 24-28'' 1440p. I'm happy with my current keyboard, mouse, and headphones.

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
none.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
I'm going to go through NCIX Canada Because the build charge is only $50. The monitor I can buy from anywhere if you guys have any good suggestions.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
August 19 2015 01:48 GMT
#10518
I'd stick with 1080p TBH. I have 1440p and even though the monitor itself quite nice it's pretty underwhelming considering the performance hit you give up to do it (you can get just as good 1080p's). The most useful thing I've found for 1440p is having windows side by side. You end up needing to zoom many things in to make them usable, though (pretty much everything that isn't graphics). For instance, I run TL at 150% zoom to avoid tiny text.
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Vix_Vaporub
Profile Joined March 2012
6 Posts
August 19 2015 02:28 GMT
#10519
Thanks Craton, I'll probably stick with 1080p then. I like the monitor I have right now so maybe I'll just keep using it.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-19 03:29:45
August 19 2015 03:20 GMT
#10520
1440p is good but it's mostly about having a bigger screen with similar pixel density rather than improving the pixel density of your screen. You have ~77% more pixels, but the screen has over 1.5x as much area as well to spread those pixels out on. As a result aliasing isn't reduced very much, stuff doesn't look that much crisper etc - you mainly have more screen area

The true high PPI displays are usually higher resolution now - like 4k 28" for lack of other options, nobody seems to want to make a high PPI display at 20-24 inches - and software support isn't entirely there yet for higher PPI displays - most programs just assume that you have about 100 pixels per inch, because that's what 22" 1080p, 27" 1440p and displays for the last few decades have approximately used. If you have a lot more pixels, suddenly everything is really small and you need to use scaling because the software doesn't compensate for it properly. Stuff like game UI elements becoming too small to be readable at your preferred viewing distance.

High ppi displays are cool, but ~100ppi screen (~27" 1440p if you want ~77% more screen area and graphical demand, ~22" 1080p if you don't) with some antialiasing is still the way to go i think. Multiple screens improve desktop work a lot but are not amazing for gaming.

I have a strong preference for >60hz because the latency and motion at 60fps are still well within where it makes a big difference for me; if you have a button that improves FPS by 1.2x, like from 20 to 24 to 29 to 35, 41, 50, 60, 72, 86, 103, 124, 149, 178 - the point where i would stop easily telling the difference each step would be at least as high as the 124 to 149 step. I can't verify further for lack of equipment Each step in that list is equally hard to scale from - going from 20 to 24fps is a 20% increase in hardware demand, going from 103 to 124fps is a ~20% increase in hardware demand too. The level where it stops mattering as much varies based on personal perception, what you're doing with whatever game/task you're running etc - but 60 is a low number that's a somewhat arbitrary limit at the moment, it's nowhere near the limit of benefit. That being said, a lot of the games listed won't happily run at huge framerates.

^mainly just my opinions
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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