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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-20 22:08:22
August 20 2015 21:53 GMT
#10541
On August 21 2015 06:50 Cyro wrote:
I really think buying new is unneccesary (and h75 is not a very good cooler either way)

I had a computer built by Inet a few years back, they do not assemble air tower coolers since their weight adds risk when shipping them. The H100 would probably be a better choice either way though, changed to it..
Too weird to live, too rare to die.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
August 20 2015 22:44 GMT
#10542
Yea i guess. Shipping is a risk to a lot of stuff but mostly the biggest air heatsinks
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
August 21 2015 00:14 GMT
#10543
Those little motherboard brackets are surprisingly tough in my experience. That said, even driving with it I'm sure I'm 10x more gentle with it than a shipping company would be (not to mention I've received boxes with literal holes in them roughly where a foot would go...).
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fuzzy_panda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand1681 Posts
August 21 2015 00:48 GMT
#10544
Hey fella I'm on a tight budget, have a prebuilt work computer with an i5 haswell 4670, 8gb ddr3 ram and small tower case. All I'm looking for is being able to play dota 2 preferably on high settings (but medium works fine as long as it's silky smooth). Was looking at the GeForce GT210 1gb, it's only $60 NZD, and I really don't wanna spend more than 100 NZD on a card.

Will the GT210 do what I want it to do?
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 01:21:21
August 21 2015 01:19 GMT
#10545
On August 21 2015 09:48 fuzzy_panda wrote:
Hey fella I'm on a tight budget, have a prebuilt work computer with an i5 haswell 4670, 8gb ddr3 ram and small tower case. All I'm looking for is being able to play dota 2 preferably on high settings (but medium works fine as long as it's silky smooth). Was looking at the GeForce GT210 1gb, it's only $60 NZD, and I really don't wanna spend more than 100 NZD on a card.

Will the GT210 do what I want it to do?


In short: Probably not.

It's really really hard to spend $60 NZD on a card and get something worthwhile. For the most part, the haswell i5 igpu is going to be on par or better than any card that's less than $100 NZD. for around $110 NZD you can get an R7 240 which SHOULD be able to somewhat outperform your igpu.

The R7 240 will be able to max out Dota on a crappy monitor, but on a 1080p monitor you would get 30ish fps. If you want to get 60 fps with max settings in Dota 2, something like a GTX 750 or an R7 250X would be closer to the mark, though I haven't used either of those cards. This price range is about $160-$200 NZD
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 01:29:44
August 21 2015 01:29 GMT
#10546
On August 21 2015 09:48 fuzzy_panda wrote:
Hey fella I'm on a tight budget, have a prebuilt work computer with an i5 haswell 4670, 8gb ddr3 ram and small tower case. All I'm looking for is being able to play dota 2 preferably on high settings (but medium works fine as long as it's silky smooth). Was looking at the GeForce GT210 1gb, it's only $60 NZD, and I really don't wanna spend more than 100 NZD on a card.

Will the GT210 do what I want it to do?


Pretty sure that thing is miles worse than your integrated graphics. NZ$ seems to suck.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 01:32:41
August 21 2015 01:32 GMT
#10547
at that price you'd probably look for a used ati 7870 or something, though do double check what the wattage on your prebuilt PSU is
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
fuzzy_panda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand1681 Posts
August 21 2015 02:02 GMT
#10548
How about a GT750 2gb? Otherwise I mite just get the R7 250
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
August 21 2015 02:06 GMT
#10549
Make sure your PSU can handle the power requirements of your build. GPUs require power and if your PSU was put in place with only plans to power what's there now it might not work
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
August 21 2015 02:27 GMT
#10550
(Prebuilts usually have really crappy PSUs)
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KapsyL
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden704 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 09:48:03
August 21 2015 09:47 GMT
#10551
Hey dudes and dudettes, big thanks for the information and suggestions. I am indeed hellbent on buying a new one and yes the case is something i want for sure. I was under the impression that skylake was superior to broadwell but you probably know better heh.. Nice to see the soundcard was a good pick guess i got lucky, i wasnt sure what cooler to pick so just yoloed it but ill go with the one you selected, does IT fit in my case btw? At work and the autocorrecting to swedish is brutal right now ill add more text later. For now, thanks
Jurg Jurg Jurg
ExChill
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany179 Posts
August 21 2015 10:15 GMT
#10552
New build with the i7-6700k.
Just want to make sure I didn't do any rookie mistakes / overlooked something.
The only thing I'm not really sure about is the motherboard, because there are so many different versions.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler (€69.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Asus Z170 PRO GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€164.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card
Case: Lian-Li PC-7HX ATX Mid Tower Case (€131.52 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer
Monitor: Eizo FG2421-BK 240Hz 23.5" Monitor (Purchased For $0.00)
Other: BenQ GL2450 (Purchased)
Total: €366.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-21 12:13 CEST+0200

As for the prices, I'm going to by everything at mindfactory (german vendor) where I'm at ~1300€ for the parts I don't already have.
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KapsyL
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden704 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 12:09:47
August 21 2015 12:05 GMT
#10553
@Firkraag8 thanks for the sweclockers link, my knowledge here is very limited and basic but to me it looks like the 6700k will be superior to a broadwell? also, saw the build you put up it does look nice only thing im curious about is why go for lower mhz on ram, isnt 2133 standard today?? did i miss something x)

perhaps the E cpu they presented 5960X is a option here?
Jurg Jurg Jurg
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
August 21 2015 12:54 GMT
#10554
On August 21 2015 18:47 KapsyL wrote:
Hey dudes and dudettes, big thanks for the information and suggestions. I am indeed hellbent on buying a new one and yes the case is something i want for sure. I was under the impression that skylake was superior to broadwell but you probably know better heh.. Nice to see the soundcard was a good pick guess i got lucky, i wasnt sure what cooler to pick so just yoloed it but ill go with the one you selected, does IT fit in my case btw? At work and the autocorrecting to swedish is brutal right now ill add more text later. For now, thanks


Skylake is better but the current skylake processors don't have a stock cooler and the motherboards are really expensive so you end up giving a ton more money that may not be worth it in the end. Also, the current released stuff is mostly for overclockers.

I think the main important thing about Skylake isn't the speeds but the features and peripherals. Right now, there isn't really any technology that really utilizes the new features that well. You can future proof but you got to shell out a ton more money when the performance gains over broadwell isn't that noticeable.
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 13:58:19
August 21 2015 13:53 GMT
#10555
On August 21 2015 11:02 fuzzy_panda wrote:
How about a GT750 2gb? Otherwise I mite just get the R7 250


If you mean GTX750 with GT750 (an X is missing) that would be very enough for dota, but check your psu like others said. 750 don't draw much power (max 55w) but your psu might be a crappy 200w workplace one.

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www.pcworld.com
It seems gtx 950 is out. Kewl. I like that sweet spot cards.
Age of Mythology forever!
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
August 21 2015 14:12 GMT
#10556
@KapsyL & IceHism

Broadwell is faster for gaming which is what he said he will use the computer for. The 1866 memory I picked has low latency and will make up for the lower frequency.

I'm not at my computer right now but I'm pretty sure that you shouldn't go x99 platform with 5960x. Either pick broadwell for the strength in games or skylake for overall performance and the more modern features.

The H100 cooler will for sure fit your case, Inet will mount it in the top.
Too weird to live, too rare to die.
KapsyL
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden704 Posts
August 21 2015 14:14 GMT
#10557
Cool. I'm thinking just to go for the skylake though instead of broadwell. new=cool yolo, ideas for mobo?
Jurg Jurg Jurg
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
August 21 2015 14:23 GMT
#10558
I'm not sold on broadwell being faster than haswell (or skylake) for gaming, but Idk. Is there any solid reason for it to be?
Age of Mythology forever!
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 14:36:09
August 21 2015 14:25 GMT
#10559
On August 21 2015 23:14 KapsyL wrote:
Cool. I'm thinking just to go for the skylake though instead of broadwell. new=cool yolo, ideas for mobo?


Broadwell was actually released after Skylake, only days ago. Making it the newest CPU, and the stronger one in games for the same price.

Don't know about mobo for Skylake really, I got the Asus z170-a for mine but I don't overclock so you'll probably want to go for the pro version at least since you plan on doing that.

Good luck with the build.
Too weird to live, too rare to die.
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 14:33:33
August 21 2015 14:31 GMT
#10560
On August 21 2015 23:23 mantequilla wrote:
I'm not sold on broadwell being faster than haswell (or skylake) for gaming, but Idk. Is there any solid reason for it to be?

Benchmarks don't lie:
http://www.sweclockers.com/test/20908-intel-core-i7-5775c-och-i5-5675c-broadwell/13#content
http://www.sweclockers.com/test/20908-intel-core-i7-5775c-och-i5-5675c-broadwell/14#content
http://www.sweclockers.com/test/20908-intel-core-i7-5775c-och-i5-5675c-broadwell/15#content
http://www.sweclockers.com/test/20908-intel-core-i7-5775c-och-i5-5675c-broadwell/16#content
http://www.sweclockers.com/test/20908-intel-core-i7-5775c-och-i5-5675c-broadwell/17#content

It seems to boil down to the 128mb L4 cache which other CPU's just does not even come close to, I hear Skylake is getting a lot of L4 cache in some of their upcoming non-K versions but I'm not entirely sure, up to 64mb iirc.

At 1080p it doesn't make much difference, but if you play games that doesn't have the GPU bottleneck you as even the 980Ti will do today say for example StarCraft 2 which is most relevant in this forum then it's clearly a stronger option.
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