EPTSo I'm just not going to do anything until I can get my hands on my SSD again. q_q
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
So I'm just not going to do anything until I can get my hands on my SSD again. q_q | ||
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
On October 02 2014 08:02 Cyro wrote: It's ok, but wear on the CPU is directly correlated to amount of time at load and pinning all cores at 100% 24/7 is an easy way to wear the CPU 10x faster than just using it for web browsing, running games for say 4 hours a day which don't heavily load all of your cores etc. Yes, if you intend to keep your processor for 15 years instead of 10 running it 100% 24/7 will wear it out "faster" | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
On October 03 2014 13:07 miicah wrote: Yes, if you intend to keep your processor for 15 years instead of 10 running it 100% 24/7 will wear it out "faster" It's always being worn with use. It's worth mentioning what kind of behaviors actually cause noticeable degradation. How harmful stock voltages are at 100% sustained load depends very highly on the CPU model as well as the individual CPU and what the stock voltage is (surprise; it's not always the same, it's set differently in a wide range; there are some 4790k's that use 1.15v and others that use 1.3v for example) - and also on temperatures. There are some CPU's, like the 9590 that often use voltages that are unsuitable for running those loads 24/7 for years on --- ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dbdhJyI.jpg) ^.^Never imagined it'd take me 20 minutes to unplug a few pci-e power connectors and a GPU without breaking stuff. That was suuuuuuper awkward I hear Heaven 4.0 is pretty bad for these cards but i didn't really bench with much else before - my best run on extreme preset with 770, max OC possible due to voltage limits on windforce card was ~53.3fps. Within about 5 mins of benching i've hit 82.1 on this 970 (: That's a 54% gain - gotta see if i can add a bit of volts, i've got a decent amount of headroom before enforced power limit and i'm not at exact memory and core clocks yet, just quick and dirty 1500, 8000. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
On October 03 2014 21:32 KOFgokuon wrote: Really wish gtx970s weren't still sold out I'm sitting here with my new computer and I have to use my old gtx 460 lol Gigabyte g1 was sold out (and would have been >10% more expensive WHEN it came in due to losing free next day shipping deal) so i grabbed this one, but if you want a "best" 970, get the g1. MSI gaming is second choice, particularly if you want the good VRM cooling for more extreme overclocking but for a general gamer it shouldn't really matter. Don't even bother looking at the other cards unless you have to (: Oh, added note - 70% fan speed here, which is about as ear-pleasing as 60% on windforce cooler from 770.. has me pinned at 60c at 1500mhz. ^.^ ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tOIX9Ui.jpg) -- ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hLI6UjQ.jpg) -- ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2nCaG6m.jpg) | ||
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heaveshade
China330 Posts
On October 03 2014 15:26 Cyro wrote: It's always being worn with use. It's worth mentioning what kind of behaviors actually cause noticeable degradation. How harmful stock voltages are at 100% sustained load depends very highly on the CPU model as well as the individual CPU and what the stock voltage is (surprise; it's not always the same, it's set differently in a wide range; there are some 4790k's that use 1.15v and others that use 1.3v for example) - and also on temperatures. There are some CPU's, like the 9590 that often use voltages that are unsuitable for running those loads 24/7 for years on --- ^.^Never imagined it'd take me 20 minutes to unplug a few pci-e power connectors and a GPU without breaking stuff. That was suuuuuuper awkward hmm, It's said that CPU-Z reading could be bugged, and there are quite some readings on HWmonitor, dunno which one to pick. btw, nice card. I wish I could get a gigabyte or msi in the future. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
On October 03 2014 21:40 heaveshade wrote: hmm, It's said that CPU-Z reading could be bugged, and there are quite some readings on HWmonitor, dunno which one to pick. btw, nice card. I wish I could get a gigabyte or msi in the future. The 9590 just uses those voltages because it needs them to hit 4.7-5ghz. That's basically at "max overclock" territory, it's not a typical safe easy to use and efficient frequency + voltage combination with lots of headroom built into it. They literally sell the same silicon at 75w and 225w TDP, just with different default settings, they only have a 1-2 year warranty partially because of those higher voltages, but i just meant to say that as a point that some cpu's can just go folding for 15 years and not really be significantly worse off for it, but others it's a bad idea. It depends on volts, temperatures, the type of CPU used etc one comment on this 970 is that the pci-e power connector plugs are kinda awkwardly upside down Fans at 2200rpm, open case, no BS after running through the whole bench scoring >>80fps ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eSd9mLj.png) magical card, cooler than my 770 by a significant margin (maybe a little due to dust..) | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
Fucking instructions to my case sucked, they said to put my motherboard on, and then install the ssd on the back cage, but i can't fucking screw my ssd in after my board is in because the screw holes are covered up Oh well, going another generation with my ssd sitting on top of the hard drive cage lol | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
benchmark it!! | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
else not worth worrying about On October 03 2014 22:09 Incognoto wrote: That looks like a damn nice card. benchmark it!! Am doing, but i have the stupid Heaven 4.0 clock speed bug still and i have the nagging feeling that Valley might still be broken if i go download it and cause the driver crash into losing half performance until resetting drivers bug. Any non-unigine benches, or should i break out the games? I don't actually have many games though :D | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
There just aren't that many fun games that are very graphically intensive. I finished Far Cry 2 and 3, which were both good (FC2 was just really damn good and FC3 was just ok-good). The Witcher 2 is a fun game but it's really damn hard, especially if you do all the side quests. Skyrim gets old after a bit. mm idk i'm just jelly :p hf with that beast E: also what about DSR? concept is really cool. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
I'm playing with 1500 core @1.2v now. Can get something like 1580 with 1.25 but that's a more excessive voltage. | ||
fusefuse
Estonia4644 Posts
What is your budget? 500€ What is your monitor's native resolution? 2x 1680x1050 (one of them will be upgraded to 1080p/1200p at a later date) What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Dota2, GW2 & various 4X games. Medium is fine. Graphics fidelity not the biggest concern. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Large scale graphics work/Image editing/video editing/music production/basic streaming capabilities/etc. Basically mostly CPU-heavy applications, willing to skimp on the GFX for that to an extent Do you intend to overclock? If necessary, but most likely not Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Case: *mATX case for easier transportation between cities than ATX would offer, and not willing to pay for the mITX premium. *simple and easy to access for cleaning ^_^ Motherboard: *Possibility to accommodate a PCI audio interface that I'll buy at a later date *1x8GB RAM to be able to upgrade cheaper should the motherboard only offer 2 ram slots (2x4 is fine in case of 4 slots) *Enough SATA for a SSD + 2x HDD (future upgrades in mind, only looking for 1TB for this build) GFX: *can be a cheaper older gen model with decent performance. *needed outs - 2(to 3) DVI and/or HDMI. Would rather not have to acquire displayport adapters for these old low res 60hz monitors. CPU: *Probably a highend i3 or lowend i5? 1150 seems to be the socket of choice to be able to upgrade with (relative) ease. Would probably upgrade to a (then) similarily priced i5 or i7 a couple years down the line. CPU should be the focus of this build. Tentative about going a more affordable AMD route with more bang but less single-core performance and less upgradability (at least from what I've gathered and researched. Comparable price, worse single core performance and 2,5x the power consumption of an A10-7850k is not very appealing :S) *a decent cpu cooler and fans should also be included. Would prefer quieter, less flashier options. The one area i have pretty much no idea about when it comes to the build. What country will you be buying your parts in? Estonia (which means more expensive parts in general + more expensive shipping from UK/Germany) If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Yeah, 2 local online retailers for easy shipping, and ease of ordering the whole build from the same place http://www.ox.ee/computers-notebooks-tablets#For desktop http://www.1a.ee/arvutikomponendid (in Estonian, GLHF) a sample build i put together within my budget range on the 2nd site mainly to get an idea, and to give you an idea about the prices + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42425448/pc0310.jpg) case includes 500w psu cpu cooler is pretty much random Thanks! | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Case: http://www.1a.ee/arvutikomponendid/arvuti_korpused/cooler_master_elite_n200_nse200kkn1 PSU: http://www.1a.ee/arvutikomponendid/toiteplokid/corsair_builder_cx430_atx23_80_430w Motherboard: http://www.1a.ee/arvutikomponendid/emaplaadid/gigabyte_gab85md2v Graphics card: http://www.1a.ee/arvutikomponendid/videokaardid/msi_amdati_radeon_r7_260x_2gb_gddr5_pcie_r7260x2gd5ocv1 You should also skip the CPU cooler, at this price point you don't need a CPU cooler, the one that comes with Intel is sufficient. Believe it or not, the stock intel cooler can be quite silent. I used to cool an i5 4670 with a stock cooler and honestly, it's not very noisy. You have to turn the CPU fan @100% to hear it, not something you do often. That case I recommended comes with two 120mm fans which is good airflow. It's a very solid budget case, it's microATX. The other, slightly cheaper option, is the Core 1000. I think the N200 is basically better though, you get an extra 120mm fan for €5 and it has more room for cable management, 120mm exhaust. The 250X is crap compared to the 260X. Just spend €20 more and get a real GPU. E: Honestly it looks like you could use a quad-core in this build but the i5s worth getting are like €200. You know, maybe you should consider using integrated graphics. If you really don't care about GPU power all that much, then throw all the GPU money into an i5 4690. Upgrade your GPU down the line instead of upgrading from i3 to i5/i7. The problem with this approach is that you may or may not be satisfied with the HD 4600. Do you want me to download dota 2 so I can tell you what FPS I can run it on with integrated graphics? | ||
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fusefuse
Estonia4644 Posts
On October 03 2014 23:20 Incognoto wrote:+ Show Spoiler + A fast i3 is a good thing for this build, so that's worth getting. 3.7 GHz is good. Otherwise, these are the parts I recommend switching. I can post why if you want: Case: http://www.1a.ee/arvutikomponendid/arvuti_korpused/cooler_master_elite_n200_nse200kkn1 PSU: http://www.1a.ee/arvutikomponendid/toiteplokid/corsair_builder_cx430_atx23_80_430w Motherboard: http://www.1a.ee/arvutikomponendid/emaplaadid/gigabyte_gab85md2v Graphics card: http://www.1a.ee/arvutikomponendid/videokaardid/msi_amdati_radeon_r7_260x_2gb_gddr5_pcie_r7260x2gd5ocv1 You should also skip the CPU cooler, at this price point you don't need a CPU cooler, the one that comes with Intel is sufficient. Believe it or not, the stock intel cooler can be quite silent. I used to cool an i5 4670 with a stock cooler and honestly, it's not very noisy. You have to turn the CPU fan @100% to hear it, not something you do often. That case I recommended comes with two 120mm fans which is good airflow. It's a very solid budget case, it's microATX. The other, slightly cheaper option, is the Core 1000. I think the N200 is basically better though, you get an extra 120mm fan for €5 and it has more room for cable management, 120mm exhaust. The 250X is crap compared to the 260X. Just spend €20 more and get a real GPU. E: Honestly it looks like you could use a quad-core in this build but the i5s worth getting are like €200. You know, maybe you should consider using integrated graphics. If you really don't care about GPU power all that much, then throw all the GPU money into an i5 4690. Upgrade your GPU down the line instead of upgrading from i3 to i5/i7. The problem with this approach is that you may or may not be satisfied with the HD 4600. Do you want me to download dota 2 so I can tell you what FPS I can run it on with integrated graphics? I understand the changes, looks better! And I was completely unaware that I wouldn't need a fancy cpu cooler for an i3 ^_^ Case looks nice! and actually slightly smaller than the one i found! i3 with dedicated gfx is probably a better idea in the long run, since im still a gamer, I don't think I'd manage with the integrated gfx for too long :D since haswells are on 1150 still, I can still upgrade the cpu 2-3 years down the line. That brings me concerns about the chipset though. Apparently B85 won't be compatible with broadwells though, and id already need a bios update for the refresh haswell i3 (the one i chose seems to be one if im not mistaken) But I'm guessing a mobo with 9X chipset that wouldnt need an update and would also run broadwells (making it even more futureproof) would set me back another 30+€ :C I also took the liberty of swapping the 2x4GB ram for 1x8GB to be able to upgrade cheaper should I need it :D Kept the maker and model the same, still crucial ballistix. It shouldn't make too much of a difference right? Same freqs, same voltage, same latency. If something, I'd be giving up extra reliability in case of the stick failing and having no fallback right? With a warranty, that shouldn't be too much of a deal either And to put things into perspective - My workstation for the past 2 years has been a 400€ HP laptop that i bought since my last one died and i needed one asap. 1,8ghz x2 AMD E2, absolute entry level mobile APU :D It's only now starting to struggle, even despite running 2 external monitors off its integrated gfx :0 So even an i3 would be a considerable upgrade. And despite my original brief, I suppose a better rounded setup of i3 and dedicated gfx would do better than an i5 without gfx, with some gaming in mind So here's the current, improved parts list, coming in at 43 cents less than v1 and a considerably better all around build :D + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42425448/pc0410.jpg) PS. funny thing is that the store offers to put the computer together when i choose selected parts. All of these parts have that note on them.... apart from the cpu l0l. Im not sure when ill be going ahead with the build yet but id love to build it myself entirely, must make sure of that :c | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On October 04 2014 06:40 fusefuse wrote: [...] I also took the liberty of swapping the 2x4GB ram for 1x8GB to be able to upgrade cheaper should I need it :D Kept the maker and model the same, still crucial ballistix. It shouldn't make too much of a difference right? Same freqs, same voltage, same latency. If something, I'd be giving up extra reliability in case of the stick failing and having no fallback right? With a warranty, that shouldn't be too much of a deal either [...] What you are giving up is "dual-channel" access to the memory. Using that 2x4GB memory kit, the CPU reads and writes to both memory sticks at the same time, and using the 1x8GB kit, memory bandwidth is halved. It feels a bit weird to me to not use dual-channel, but in practice the benchmarks don't look very different. Both single channel and dual channel produce very similar FPS in games and video encoding etc., so objectively, choosing by price would probably be best. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
That build right there looks solid to me. I just want to throw out there that i3s have hyper-threading, which is good for you as well. Hyperthreading basically allows for a real, physical, CPU core to act like two virtual cores in tasks that are well-threaded. Well threaded tasks are things like encoding, streaming, editing and whatnot. So having hyperthreading allows for ~20% performance gains in those tasks (over having two real cores). Hyperthreading does not however help with tasks that aren't "well-threaded", e.g. gaming or running lots of programs at once (if the programs are small, like browsers / media players / steam / skype / etc, dual core CPUs still do perfectly fine though). The reason I spoke of getting an i5 instead of an i3 is that the only thing than a processor with 4 virtual cores is a processor with 4 physical ones. However, an i3 should still do quite well heres, if you're set with that build I think you should be great (especially considering what you're upgrading from). That motherboard >should<be compatible with Haswell refresh out of the box. Don't quote me on this though. I believe that manufacturers have started selling motherboards with the updated BIOS directly, my only source for this is someone who told me their ASRock H81M was compatible with Haswell refresh without BIOS update. also http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=4729 | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
--- A comment on my MSI gaming 970 - It idles very well: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/N1sSgwz.png) ^my room was annoyingly cold but not freezing, something like 15c. I have no direct airflow onto the GPU or even fans particularly close to it, but i will have soon | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
So I did a bit of research on what to buy. My budget is around RM3,000 (967$ USD) Core i5 4690 RM685 Kingston 1600 8GB RM235 16GB( an additional RM235) SSD 256GB RM479 WD Blue 1TB RM169 Leadtek GTX750Ti RM529 Corsair VS650W RM229 Zalman Z5 Plus RM169 DAD ROM RM55 Total Price is around RM2900( 935$USD), for extra 8GB RM3125 ( 1008$ USD) I would like some input on whether this build is good. | ||
Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Is there a site you can link or list of other options and prices? Only thing I can say now is that the computer is sub-150W and there's a 650W power supply for whatever reason that's a low-end model. You're better off with something more passable (built in a less cost-cut design, junky parts), even if the wattage listed is lower. | ||
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